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From: Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>
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OK, I made a comment. Unfortunately, Russavia came too. Let me tell this.
When I juct came here, Russavia was declared a public enemy ("notorious
HanzoHattori) of Russian team because of his   Later on, some Russian SPAs
came to his talk page only to ask what exactly he has against Russian
government. Other Russian SPAs followed specifically his edits and reverted
all of them. Yet another IP from Moscow (85....) played elaborate mind games
with him


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Becky_Gable&offset=20071012014140&action=history

which resulted to a block of Hanzo because of his incivility with regard to
this IP.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hanzo made enormous contributions to Chechen war-related articles; he
> created may be a hundred articles himself. He worked alone (no counting a
> couple of folks from the Russian Cartel) until arrival of Peter from
> Netherlands  who  was later evicted by Offliner. I thought Hanzo was from
> North Caucasus. But he has communication problems, that's for sure. On the
> other hand, we debated just fine the misterious Terkibaev and everything
> else when he was Hanzo.
>
> OK. let's comment.
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:46 PM, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I dunno, we've gotten some troublesome editors block for civility rather
>> than edit warring - Matthead, Smith2006 etc. So I think it does matter.
>> I will email Robert though and ask him if he's willing to tone it down. I
>> am still trying to keep a low profile until the appeal is filed though so
>> I'm not going to make any public pronouncements (this is also why I really
>> need to get this over with, one way or another - I feel like I'm walking on
>> egg shells with every edit)
>>
>> Radek
>>
>>
>> 2009/7/2 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
>>
>>> radek szulga wrote:
>>>
>>> > I know, which is why I co-nominated him for the Lublin Ghetto DYK (I
>>> > asked him if he wanted it first since I wasnt sure if he wanted
>>> > attention brought to himself).
>>> > But I dunno, these days incivility is seen as like the worst thing ever
>>> > on Wikipedia, right behind running sock accounts to circumvent bans
>>> > (this one's legit in my view) so I think he doesn't have a chance in
>>> > hell off getting parole and even if he does his personality is just
>>> such
>>> > that he'll soon violate it again.
>>> > Sometimes it's about knowing how to pick your battles.
>>>
>>> Uh, my experience on Wiki has been that nobody cares about civility,
>>> unless the violations are gross/repeated/targeted at people with a lot
>>> wikiclout. Yes, Hanzo's cursing is pretty gross, but by itself it
>>> shouldn't be a major argument, particularly if he promises to watch his
>>> language.
>>>
>>> It is interesting that nobody has commented on the AN thread in two
>>> days. Do post a support or two, if for some bizarre reason this expires
>>> to archive that way, I will be able to unblock him and cite "consensus
>>> on AN" :D That said, I will not unblock him until he starts talking to
>>> me / us in a reasonable way - my altruism and sticking up for the small
>>> guy goes only so far.
>>>
>>> So if you guys could post on his talk and encourage him to be civil and
>>> constructive, this would help a lot.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Piotr Konieczny
>>>
>>> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
>>> theory."
>>>
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OK, I made a comment. Unfortunately, Russavia came too. Let me tell this. W=
hen I juct came here, Russavia was declared a public enemy (&quot;notorious=
 HanzoHattori) of Russian team because of his =A0 Later on, some Russian SP=
As came to his talk page only to ask what exactly he has against Russian go=
vernment. Other Russian SPAs followed specifically his edits and reverted a=
ll of them. Yet another IP from Moscow (85....) played elaborate mind games=
 with him<br>
<br>=A0<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DBecky_Gable&a=
mp;offset=3D20071012014140&amp;action=3Dhistory">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/=
index.php?title=3DBecky_Gable&amp;offset=3D20071012014140&amp;action=3Dhist=
ory</a><br><br>
which resulted to a block of Hanzo because of his incivility with regard to=
 this IP.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:34 PM,=
 Andrei Dombay <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail.co=
m">wikibiophys@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hanzo made enormo=
us contributions to Chechen war-related articles; he created may be a hundr=
ed articles himself. He worked alone (no counting a couple of folks from th=
e Russian Cartel) until arrival of Peter from Netherlands=A0 who=A0 was lat=
er evicted by Offliner. I thought Hanzo was from North Caucasus. But he has=
 communication problems, that&#39;s for sure. On the other hand, we debated=
 just fine the misterious Terkibaev and everything else when he was Hanzo.<=
br>

<br>OK. let&#39;s comment.=A0  <br><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:46 PM, radek szulga <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rs=
szulga@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I dunno, we&#39;ve gotten some troublesome editors block for civility rathe=
r than edit warring - Matthead, Smith2006 etc. So I think it does matter.<b=
r>I will email Robert though and ask him if he&#39;s willing to tone it dow=
n. I am still trying to keep a low profile until the appeal is filed though=
 so I&#39;m not going to make any public pronouncements (this is also why I=
 really need to get this over with, one way or another - I feel like I&#39;=
m walking on egg shells with every edit)<br>


<br>Radek<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>2009/7/2 Piotr Koniecz=
ny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;</span><br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); marg=
in: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">


<div>radek szulga wrote:<div><div></div><div><br>
&gt; I know, which is why I co-nominated him for the Lublin Ghetto DYK (I<b=
r>
&gt; asked him if he wanted it first since I wasnt sure if he wanted<br>
&gt; attention brought to himself).<br>
&gt; But I dunno, these days incivility is seen as like the worst thing eve=
r<br>
&gt; on Wikipedia, right behind running sock accounts to circumvent bans<br=
>
&gt; (this one&#39;s legit in my view) so I think he doesn&#39;t have a cha=
nce in<br>
&gt; hell off getting parole and even if he does his personality is just su=
ch<br>
&gt; that he&#39;ll soon violate it again.<br>
&gt; Sometimes it&#39;s about knowing how to pick your battles.<br>
<br>
</div></div></div><div><div></div><div>Uh, my experience on Wiki has been t=
hat nobody cares about civility,<br>
unless the violations are gross/repeated/targeted at people with a lot<br>
wikiclout. Yes, Hanzo&#39;s cursing is pretty gross, but by itself it<br>
shouldn&#39;t be a major argument, particularly if he promises to watch his=
<br>
language.<br>
<br>
It is interesting that nobody has commented on the AN thread in two<br>
days. Do post a support or two, if for some bizarre reason this expires<br>
to archive that way, I will be able to unblock him and cite &quot;consensus=
<br>
on AN&quot; :D That said, I will not unblock him until he starts talking to=
<br>
me / us in a reasonable way - my altruism and sticking up for the small<br>
guy goes only so far.<br>
<br>
So if you guys could post on his talk and encourage him to be civil and<br>
constructive, this would help a lot.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
</font><div><div></div><div>Piotr Konieczny<br>
<br>
&quot;The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in=
<br>
theory.&quot;<br>
<br>
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