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I think he would be great to have, but he hasn't enabled e-mail. Would it b=
e safe for Andres to ask him publicly to send him an e-mail, or does someon=
e already know his address?
I don't want to sound repetitive, but the Greeks (who are people we can do =
business with, can help us if needed (and appear uninvolved), and have a ni=
ce, tightly-run team) are still begging for votes at=A0Talk:Greece/Naming_p=
oll#Oppose . (I know Andres voted, so he can ignore this appeal.) One of th=
em sent me this in response to the notion that Greece needs to make further=
 compromises:
***Greece=A0has=A0accepted "Northern Macedonia" or "Slav=A0Macedonia" or "W=
hatever X Macedonia". This is the official Greek position for years now!

It is the=A0other=A0side that insists on plain "Macedonia" with the obvious=
 expansionist agenda!

As for the international community, it=A0is=A0with Greece now after this ch=
ange. E.g. Obama co-sponsored a stern congress bill against what he called =
"fyrom's nationalism" and Hillary said yesterday "she fully understands the=
 Greek position, Greece has made a step, and now the other side must follow=
"

The resolution:=A0http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.Res.300:

Hillary:=A0http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=3Del&sl=3Del&tl=3Den&u=
=3Dhttp://www.skai.gr/master_story.php%3Fid%3D116583

We Greeks we feel like shit having given all that and now receiving a wall =
of intolerance from the other side. This has to end.
***
Not a happy group, it seems. But neither am I, after exactly half (!!!) of =
people from Moldova voted for the Communist Party, so they end up with 61 s=
eats, versus 40 for the opposition. Unless something changes at the last mo=
ment, this is disastrous, as it takes - yes - 61 votes to elect the Preside=
nt. (Well, even if they get 60, one MP shouldn't be too hard to bribe, but =
still.)=0A=0A=0A      
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;">I think he would be great to have, but he has=
n't enabled e-mail. Would it be safe for Andres to ask him publicly to send=
 him an e-mail, or does someone already know his address?<div><br></div><di=
v>I don't want to sound repetitive, but the Greeks (who are people we can d=
o business with, can help us if needed (and appear uninvolved), and have a =
nice, tightly-run team) are still begging for votes at=A0Talk:Greece/Naming=
_poll#Oppose . (I know Andres voted, so he can ignore this appeal.) One of =
them sent me this in response to the notion that Greece needs to make furth=
er compromises:</div><div><br></div><div>***</div><div><span class=3D"Apple=
-style-span" style=3D"line-height: 15px; "><span class=3D"yshortcuts" id=3D=
"lw_1239030830_0" style=3D"cursor: pointer; background-image: initial; back=
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ial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; l=
ine-height: 1.2em; background-position: initial initial; ">Greece</span>=A0=
<i style=3D"outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: ini=
tial; line-height: 1.2em; ">has</i>=A0accepted "Northern Macedonia" or "Sla=
v=A0<span class=3D"yshortcuts" id=3D"lw_1239030830_1" style=3D"border-botto=
m-style: dashed; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-color: rgb(0, 102,=
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al; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webk=
it-background-origin: initial; background-color: transparent; outline-style=
: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; line-height: 1.2em;=
 background-position: initial initial; ">Macedonia</span>" or "Whatever X
 Macedonia". This is the official Greek position for years now!<br style=3D=
"outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; line-=
height: 1.2em; "><br style=3D"outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; =
outline-color: initial; line-height: 1.2em; ">It is the=A0<i style=3D"outli=
ne-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; line-height=
: 1.2em; ">other=A0</i>side that insists on plain "Macedonia" with the obvi=
ous expansionist agenda!<br style=3D"outline-style: none; outline-width: in=
itial; outline-color: initial; line-height: 1.2em; "><br style=3D"outline-s=
tyle: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; line-height: 1.=
2em; ">As for the international community, it=A0<i style=3D"outline-style: =
none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; line-height: 1.2em; "=
>is</i>=A0with Greece now after this change. E.g. Obama co-sponsored a ster=
n congress bill against what he called "fyrom's nationalism" and Hillary sa=
id
 yesterday "she fully understands the Greek position, Greece has made a ste=
p, and now the other side must follow"<br style=3D"outline-style: none; out=
line-width: initial; outline-color: initial; line-height: 1.2em; "><br styl=
e=3D"outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; l=
ine-height: 1.2em; ">The resolution:=A0<a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.Res.300" style=3D"co=
lor: rgb(0, 51, 153); outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-=
color: initial; line-height: 1.2em; text-decoration: underline; "><span cla=
ss=3D"yshortcuts" id=3D"lw_1239030830_2" style=3D"outline-style: none; outl=
ine-width: initial; outline-color: initial; line-height: 1.2em; ">http://th=
omas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.Res.300</span></a>:<br style=3D"outline=
-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; line-height: =
1.2em; "><br style=3D"outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-=
color: initial;
 line-height: 1.2em; ">Hillary:=A0<a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" hre=
f=3D"http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=3Del&amp;sl=3Del&amp;tl=3Den&=
amp;u=3Dhttp://www.skai.gr/master_story.php%3Fid%3D116583" style=3D"color: =
rgb(0, 51, 153); outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color=
: initial; line-height: 1.2em; text-decoration: underline; "><span class=3D=
"yshortcuts" id=3D"lw_1239030830_3" style=3D"outline-style: none; outline-w=
idth: initial; outline-color: initial; line-height: 1.2em; ">http://transla=
te.google.com/translate?hl=3Del&amp;sl=3Del&amp;tl=3Den&amp;u=3Dhttp://www.=
skai.gr/master_story.php%3Fid%3D116583</span></a><br style=3D"outline-style=
: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; line-height: 1.2em;=
 "><br style=3D"outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color:=
 initial; line-height: 1.2em; ">We Greeks we feel like shit having given al=
l that and now receiving a wall of intolerance from the other side. This ha=
s to end.<br
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al; line-height: 1.2em; "></span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span=
" style=3D"line-height: 15px;">***</span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-st=
yle-span" style=3D"line-height: 15px;"><br></span></div><div><span class=3D=
"Apple-style-span" style=3D"line-height: 15px;">Not a happy group, it seems=
. But neither am I, after exactly half (!!!) of people from Moldova voted f=
or the <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(192, 0, 0);">Co=
mmunist </span>Party, so they end up with 61 seats, versus 40 for the oppos=
ition. Unless something changes at the last moment, this is disastrous, as =
it takes - yes - 61 votes to elect the President. (Well, even if they get 6=
0, one MP shouldn't be too hard to bribe, but still.)</span></div></td></tr=
></table><br>=0A=0A      
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