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Well said Piotrus. I agree with you %100.
Jacek

--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl> wrote:


From: Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
Subject: Re: [WPM] To Dig, Bio and all who are considering leaving
To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 1:49 PM


Andrei Dombay wrote:

> Keeping certain articles in shape was one of the reasons I did not left=
=20
> long time ago. But I could not do it any more with articles like=20
> Litvinenko and Russian apartment bombings. R and O have won, let's put=20
> it straight. I failed. Now they can do whatever they want with articles=
=20
> on Russian politics, because no one=A0 cares about them

Based on sanctions and analysis who is active without considering your=20
and Dig retirement, I'd still say its a minor victory of our side. We=20
still have more unrestricted and experienced users; as somebody=20
mentioned before, this is the first time this has happened.

But yes, if you both retire, the situation will look much worse. I=20
understand Wiki can be stressful, which is why I have and support a=20
bunch of anti-stress strategies (from doing non-stressful edits to=20
organizing cabals and spreading the stress around :>), but when a user=20
gives up and leaves, that's a shame. It's like one got banned, but=20
without the effort of making the other side do so. Or, in other words,=20
one becomes a victim of the ongoing psychological warfare we have on wiki :=
(

I have outlasted almost all Polish editors of "my generation", with the=20
exception of Molobo. Halibutt, Lysy/Wojsyl, Balcer, Appleseed (Darwinek=20
is still here but he refuses to be involved in wikipolitics in any=20
extent). They all got tired with wiki disputes, burned out and left.=20
Everyone is free to do what they want, but I can't help but think how=20
easier it would be for all of us if they stuck around and were here to=20
support us. In the end, we can either grow and be stronger, or lose=20
members and get weaker. Hence I am all for having TEMPORARY=20
wikiholidays, and such (perhaps an editor who wants to avoid wikistress=20
could just write content and let others fight over it?), but it pains me=20
to hear that one is leaving and that the USSRForever cabal has "won",=20
without even winning the visible wiki fight (let me remind you that the=20
AE decisions are not so bad to us). Please remember that over the years=20
we have managed to get rid of quite a few disruptive users as well, and=20
make Wikipedia a better place for those who want to create a neutral=20
encyclopedia build in a friendly atmosphere. Where is Irpen, Ghirla,=20
Kuban Kazak, JC, PK, and some other hate/propaganda mongers? In the end,=20
their attempts to destroy NPOV and introduce propaganda into Wikipedia=20
failed. They proved to be no stronger than us, rather, they proved=20
weaker. We just have to try to last a little longer.

--=20
Piotr Konieczny

"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in=20
theory."

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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Well said Piotrus. I agree with you %100=
..</DIV>
<DIV>Jacek<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/23/09, Piotr Konieczny <I>&lt;piokon@pos=
t.pl&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Piotr Konieczny &lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;<BR>S=
ubject: Re: [WPM] To Dig, Bio and all who are considering leaving<BR>To: "W=
ikipedia statistics" &lt;folks@wikipedometer.net&gt;<BR>Date: Tuesday, June=
 23, 2009, 1:49 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3DplainMail>Andrei Dombay wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; Keeping certain art=
icles in shape was one of the reasons I did not left <BR>&gt; long time ago=
.. But I could not do it any more with articles like <BR>&gt; Litvinenko and=
 Russian apartment bombings. R and O have won, let's put <BR>&gt; it straig=
ht. I failed. Now they can do whatever they want with articles <BR>&gt; on =
Russian politics, because no one&nbsp; cares about them<BR><BR>Based on san=
ctions and analysis who is active without considering your <BR>and Dig reti=
rement, I'd still say its a minor victory of our side. We <BR>still have mo=
re unrestricted and experienced users; as somebody <BR>mentioned before, th=
is is the first time this has happened.<BR><BR>But yes, if you both retire,=
 the situation will look much worse. I <BR>understand Wiki can be stressful=
, which is why I have and support a <BR>bunch of anti-stress strategies (fr=
om doing non-stressful edits to <BR>organizing cabals and spreading
 the stress around :&gt;), but when a user <BR>gives up and leaves, that's =
a shame. It's like one got banned, but <BR>without the effort of making the=
 other side do so. Or, in other words, <BR>one becomes a victim of the ongo=
ing psychological warfare we have on wiki :(<BR><BR>I have outlasted almost=
 all Polish editors of "my generation", with the <BR>exception of Molobo. H=
alibutt, Lysy/Wojsyl, Balcer, Appleseed (Darwinek <BR>is still here but he =
refuses to be involved in wikipolitics in any <BR>extent). They all got tir=
ed with wiki disputes, burned out and left. <BR>Everyone is free to do what=
 they want, but I can't help but think how <BR>easier it would be for all o=
f us if they stuck around and were here to <BR>support us. In the end, we c=
an either grow and be stronger, or lose <BR>members and get weaker. Hence I=
 am all for having TEMPORARY <BR>wikiholidays, and such (perhaps an editor =
who wants to avoid wikistress <BR>could just write content and let
 others fight over it?), but it pains me <BR>to hear that one is leaving an=
d that the USSRForever cabal has "won", <BR>without even winning the visibl=
e wiki fight (let me remind you that the <BR>AE decisions are not so bad to=
 us). Please remember that over the years <BR>we have managed to get rid of=
 quite a few disruptive users as well, and <BR>make Wikipedia a better plac=
e for those who want to create a neutral <BR>encyclopedia build in a friend=
ly atmosphere. Where is Irpen, Ghirla, <BR>Kuban Kazak, JC, PK, and some ot=
her hate/propaganda mongers? In the end, <BR>their attempts to destroy NPOV=
 and introduce propaganda into Wikipedia <BR>failed. They proved to be no s=
tronger than us, rather, they proved <BR>weaker. We just have to try to las=
t a little longer.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Piotr Konieczny<BR><BR>"The problem about =
Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in <BR>theory."<BR><BR>___=
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