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	http://www.red-alerts.com/comintern/obama-supporters-explained-by-former-kgb-agent-yuri-bezmenov/,
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	http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/fmr-kgb-agent-claims-obama-is-a-communist-on-the-schiffer-report/),
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On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 03:42, Christian Suciu <christiansuciu@yahoo.com>wrote:

> I'd be interested in hearing what other editors think of him, particularly
> from a conspiracy theory angle. For instance, Andrei, do you see him as
> perhaps being an Islamist (
> http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3602 ,
> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/19/obamas-islamist-problem/),
> a KGB-linked figure (
> http://www.red-alerts.com/comintern/obama-supporters-explained-by-former-kgb-agent-yuri-bezmenov/,
> http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/fmr-kgb-agent-claims-obama-is-a-communist-on-the-schiffer-report/),
> a fascist (
> http://prairiepundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/obamas-fascist-agenda.html ,
> http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/02/20/4086/) or even the secret son of
> Malcolm X or Frank Marshall Davis (
> http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/is-obama-the-secret-son-of ,
> http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/)?


One of the problems of the modern news is that it suffers from lack of
external feedback.  Thus, in some cases, it can produce an entirely distinct
reality.

There's no evidence of Mr. Obama being an Islamist, although certain corners
of American media have been claiming otherwise.  KGB/FSB connections are
trickier, but it's more likely that he might have a friend or a friend of a
friend planted by Russian spooks.  "Fascist", in this context, is virtually
meaningless; as for fascism as political scientists understand it, there's
no evidence of his policies matching this pattern.  I lack any data on the
"secret son of previous prophet" idea, but knowing how such ideas rise in
superstitious society in times of upheaval, Occam tends to go against it.

Obama's real troubles are considerably more complex than simple connection
or categorisation issues.  Oversimplification doesn't help us to understand
them.

-- 
Andres Soolo

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 03:42, Christian Suciu <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:christiansuciu@yahoo.com">christiansu=
ciu@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td vali=
gn=3D"top" style=3D"font:inherit">I&#39;d be interested in hearing what oth=
er editors think of him, particularly from a conspiracy theory angle. For i=
nstance, Andrei, do you see him as perhaps being an Islamist (<a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3602" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3602</a> ,=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://=
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/19/obamas-islamist-problem/" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/19/obamas-islamist=
-problem/</a>), a KGB-linked figure (<a href=3D"http://www.red-alerts.com/c=
omintern/obama-supporters-explained-by-former-kgb-agent-yuri-bezmenov/" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://www.red-alerts.com/comintern/obama-supporters-explain=
ed-by-former-kgb-agent-yuri-bezmenov/</a> ,=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://gunnyg.w=
ordpress.com/2009/04/27/fmr-kgb-agent-claims-obama-is-a-communist-on-the-sc=
hiffer-report/" target=3D"_blank">http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/fm=
r-kgb-agent-claims-obama-is-a-communist-on-the-schiffer-report/</a>), a fas=
cist (<a href=3D"http://prairiepundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/obamas-fascist-a=
genda.html" target=3D"_blank">http://prairiepundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/oba=
mas-fascist-agenda.html</a> ,=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.sundriesshack.com/=
2008/02/20/4086/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.sundriesshack.com/2008/02/20=
/4086/</a>) or even the secret son of Malcolm X or Frank Marshall Davis (<a=
 href=3D"http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/is-obama-the-secret-s=
on-of" target=3D"_blank">http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/is-ob=
ama-the-secret-son-of</a>
 ,=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/</a=
>)?</td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote><div><br></div><div>One of the pr=
oblems of the modern news is that it suffers from lack of external feedback=
. =C2=A0Thus, in some cases, it can produce an entirely distinct reality.</=
div>
<div><br></div><div>There&#39;s no evidence of Mr. Obama being an Islamist,=
 although certain corners of American media have been claiming otherwise. =
=C2=A0KGB/FSB connections are trickier, but it&#39;s more likely that he mi=
ght have a friend or a friend of a friend planted by Russian spooks. =C2=A0=
&quot;Fascist&quot;, in this context, is virtually meaningless; as for fasc=
ism as political scientists understand it, there&#39;s no evidence of his p=
olicies matching this pattern. =C2=A0I lack any data on the &quot;secret so=
n of previous prophet&quot; idea, but knowing how such ideas rise in supers=
titious society in times of upheaval, Occam tends to go against it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Obama&#39;s real troubles are considerably more complex=
 than simple connection or categorisation issues. =C2=A0Oversimplification =
doesn&#39;t help us to understand them.</div><div><br></div><div>--=C2=A0</=
div></div>
Andres Soolo<br>

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