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I saw that and it does have some useful info. But basically I'm having
trouble of thinking of how to structure the article. As in:

'The Scheider commission was..." What's the "..."?

and then the focus on individual members and their
Nazi/anti-Slavic/extremist past (which I think is well documented).

In a way I think there's a good bit of snippets out there but I'm still
thinking about how to fuse it into an article, in a way which will preempt
the expected disruptive editing.

Radek


2009/8/5 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>

> Did you get this one ? I am afraid though this a very pro-German book:
>
>
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=oGmTs2SceAgC&pg=PA210&dq=german+expellees+nazis&lr=&ei=ouJ4SuvRCqP8yAS8w-zJDA&hl=pl#v=onepage&q=german%20expellees%20nazis&f=false
>
> In the text there is mention that about ignoring Nazi crimes and bias
> of the reports used as source of information.
>
>
> 2009/8/6 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>:
> > Ok, all the dirt on Heinz Nawratil you've got, to counter Skap's BLP ploy
> > [
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Heinz_Nawratil
> ]
> >
> > I've been digging around for stuff for the Scheider commission article
> and
> > basically need to find a bit more.
> >
> > Radek
> >
> >
> > 2009/8/4 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> The fragment is chapter three Remembering the War in Nation of Victims,
> >> you can browse it on google books.
> >>
> >> 2009/8/5 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>:
> >> > I remommend "The miracle years"
> >> >
> >> > by Hanna Schissler,
> >> >
> >> > There in the book is in-depth study about the attempts to present
> >> > Germans as victims of WW2 after the war in West Germany, comission and
> >> > its members are mentioned.  Schissler makes great effort to describe
> >> > in full how memory of German victims was cut off from German discourse
> >> > and focus centred on painting Germans as innocent victims, including
> >> > several former Nazis.
> >> >
> >> > 2009/8/5 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
> >> >>
> >> >> radek szulga wrote:
> >> >> > Oberlander already has an article. Do you mean the Scheider
> >> >> > commission
> >> >> > article?
> >> >>
> >> >> How's that article coming?
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Piotr Konieczny
> >> >>
> >> >> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not
> in
> >> >> theory."
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I saw that and it does have some useful info. But basically I&#39;m having =
trouble of thinking of how to structure the article. As in:<br><br>&#39;The=
 Scheider commission was...&quot; What&#39;s the &quot;...&quot;?<br><br>
and then the focus on individual members and their Nazi/anti-Slavic/extremi=
st past (which I think is well documented).<br><br>In a way I think there&#=
39;s a good bit of snippets out there but I&#39;m still thinking about how =
to fuse it into an article, in a way which will preempt the expected disrup=
tive editing.<br>
<br>Radek<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/8/5 Molobo Molobo <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.com</a=
>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px=
 solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Did you get this one ? I am afraid though this a very pro-German book:<br>
<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://books.google.com/books?id=3DoGmTs2SceAgC&amp;pg=3DPA210&a=
mp;dq=3Dgerman+expellees+nazis&amp;lr=3D&amp;ei=3DouJ4SuvRCqP8yAS8w-zJDA&am=
p;hl=3Dpl#v=3Donepage&amp;q=3Dgerman%20expellees%20nazis&amp;f=3Dfalse" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://books.google.com/books?id=3DoGmTs2SceAgC&amp;pg=3DPA2=
10&amp;dq=3Dgerman+expellees+nazis&amp;lr=3D&amp;ei=3DouJ4SuvRCqP8yAS8w-zJD=
A&amp;hl=3Dpl#v=3Donepage&amp;q=3Dgerman%20expellees%20nazis&amp;f=3Dfalse<=
/a><br>

<br>
In the text there is mention that about ignoring Nazi crimes and bias<br>
of the reports used as source of information.<br>
<br>
<br>
2009/8/6 radek szulga &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com">rsszulga@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">&gt; Ok, all the dirt on Heinz Nawratil y=
ou&#39;ve got, to counter Skap&#39;s BLP ploy<br>
&gt; [<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_livi=
ng_persons/Noticeboard#Heinz_Nawratil" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedi=
a.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Heinz_Nawrat=
il</a>]<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;ve been digging around for stuff for the Scheider commission art=
icle and<br>
&gt; basically need to find a bit more.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Radek<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2009/8/4 Molobo Molobo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobu=
s@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The fragment is chapter three Remembering the War in Nation of Vic=
tims,<br>
&gt;&gt; you can browse it on google books.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; 2009/8/5 Molobo Molobo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">mo=
lobus@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; I remommend &quot;The miracle years&quot;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; by Hanna Schissler,<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; There in the book is in-depth study about the attempts to pre=
sent<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Germans as victims of WW2 after the war in West Germany, comi=
ssion and<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; its members are mentioned. =A0Schissler makes great effort to=
 describe<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; in full how memory of German victims was cut off from German =
discourse<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; and focus centred on painting Germans as innocent victims, in=
cluding<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; several former Nazis.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; 2009/8/5 Piotr Konieczny &lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; radek szulga wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Oberlander already has an article. Do you mean the S=
cheider<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; commission<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; article?<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; How&#39;s that article coming?<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Piotr Konieczny<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works =
in reality, not in<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; theory.&quot;<br>
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