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Digwuren wrote:

> If Russavia can plausibly claim that "his opponents" harassed 
> him, all sorts of future DR actions, including arbcom, are likely to 
> consider him the victim, and give credence to the idea that "his 
> opponents" -- who may or may not be related to the harassment, must be 
> the evildoers worth punishing.

A very good point, which is why my position on AN is now 100% "damage 
control" - i.e. torpedo any attempt to create a "consensus" that Biophys 
is stalking. I'd highly advise other members of our little group to post 
a message there strongly opposing this idea.

> For the time being, Wikipedia has a lot of (undeserved) trust by people 
> throughout the world, and our interests dictate that it should not 
> contain pure Kremlin's propaganda in the topics we care about, such as 
> the "near abroad" region.  This battle we can win, and I suggest is this 
> is what we should consider our primary Wikipedia-related goal.

Again, excellent point. This is what I have been doing for years on 
Polish-related subjects, combating nationalist POV-pushers from various 
directions.

> The Chinese government's censorship is mainly targeted at its own 
> citizens, out of fear that they might riot if they read about democracy 
> and stuff.  They're much less concerned with China's image overseas than 
> the Russian government is. 

Yeah, and let's not forgot that Wikipedia is banned in many countries. 
Russia tries to maintain the pretense of being open and democratic, 
China - not so much. Although both may care about Western public 
opinion. Remember that in the end, influencing en Wikipedia is not about 
internal propaganda - over 90% of Russians read ru wiki, Chinese, zh 
wiki (or China-unbanned forks). It's all about portraying the "right 
version of events" to the Westerners.

I think Dig is pretty much right on as for other countries.

-- 
Piotr Konieczny

"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in 
theory."

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