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If we pull something like this, is has to go against the entire Cartel,
otherwise it's not worth the effort. We can impersonate someone who first
gets friendly with the Cartel, then after 3-4 months gets more neutral (but
still largely favorable to team USSR), and in 6 months tries to run for
adminship with surprising support. :):):) Let them try to desysop that moll.
:):):) The user could claim a change of hurt. He doesn't even have to be
friendly with us. Occasional admin help is perfect.
At least we can enjoy the way it sounds :)

It's enough he would be ruining the Cartel with inside knowledge and could
take an admin action here and there. To have the best chances, we can try to
"create" a Russian Jew who emigrated to Israel in late 1980s as a kid or a
very young person (sounds plausible). We can supply the user with a lot of
pro-Israeli edits (totally genuine ones), so as not to show only interest in
Soviet areas. The pro-Soviet view could be motivated by nostalgia for
childhood. The change of heart can be motivated by some ouverture of the
Russian government towards Iran. The main problem is we need "him" to speak
Hebrew. But then we have an alternative: not emigrated to Israel, but to
USA. Although still, some knowledge of Hebrew is compulsory.

To practically pull this off, there has to be a separate IP address. The
simplest way would be for someone to use work to edit own account and home
to edit this fake one, or vice-versa, and never, absolutely never mix or
edit as anon. It's not so easy to change the IP address at work, but at
home, one can get a new internet provider with a new cable, etc. Serious
danger: someone in the family edits as anon (not simultaneously, but enough
one edit, two years later, and boom, newspaper space, maybe even tv time,
guaranteed :) )

ok, that was just science fiction :)

to pull something like this, extraordinary motivation is needed. If I am not
mistaken, the most damaging spy in the KGB/GRU for the CIA was a person
whose son got seriously ill when he was on a short diplomatic event at the
UN in early 1960s, and his superiors forbid for his son to be taken to a
hospital. His son died, and as a revenge, he supplied CIA with info for 25
years, selecting whatever he wanted to pass (he would not take orders "bring
this, try that"), and constantly inventing new ways to convey info. He never
got a single cent from CIA and was caught only because of a moll inside CIA.
Apparently he was as high in the KGB/GRU hierarchy as a sane technical
person could get (if i'm not mistaken, number 2 in one of the directorates)
Unfortunately, I do not recall his name.




2009/6/15 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>

> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 08:38, Christian Suciu <christiansuciu@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> http://www.heavenlyperfumes.com.au/
>> (Maybe we could make some mischief through the "Contact us" form? We could
>> even call him up. Perhaps with a fake Russian accent (or real, in Andrei's
>> case), or Martin's Australian one (I assume).)
>>
>
> I suspect the dangers of this approach outweigh its benefits.  He might
> become paranoid and claim he's being stalked.
>
> --
> Andres Soolo
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If we pull something like this, is has to go against the entire Cartel, oth=
erwise it&#39;s not worth the effort. We can impersonate someone who first =
gets friendly with the Cartel, then after 3-4 months gets more neutral (but=
 still largely favorable to team USSR), and in 6 months tries to run for ad=
minship with surprising support. :):):) Let them try to desysop that moll. =
:):):) The user could claim a change of hurt. He doesn&#39;t even have to b=
e friendly with us. Occasional admin help is perfect.<div>
<br></div><div>At least we can enjoy the way it sounds :)</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>It&#39;s enough he would be ruining the Cartel with inside knowledg=
e and could take an admin action here and there. To have the best chances, =
we can try to &quot;create&quot; a Russian Jew who emigrated to Israel in l=
ate 1980s as a kid or a very young person (sounds plausible). We can supply=
 the user with a lot of pro-Israeli edits (totally genuine ones), so as not=
 to show only interest in Soviet areas. The pro-Soviet view could be motiva=
ted by nostalgia for childhood. The change of heart can be motivated by som=
e ouverture of the Russian government towards Iran. The main problem is we =
need &quot;him&quot; to speak Hebrew. But then we have an alternative: not =
emigrated to Israel, but to USA. Although still, some knowledge of Hebrew i=
s compulsory.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>To practically pull this off, there has to be a separat=
e IP address. The simplest way would be for someone to use work to edit own=
 account and home to edit this fake one, or vice-versa, and never, absolute=
ly never mix or edit as anon. It&#39;s not so easy to change the IP address=
 at work, but at home, one can get a new internet provider with a new cable=
, etc. Serious danger: someone in the family edits as anon (not simultaneou=
sly, but enough one edit, two years later, and boom, newspaper space, maybe=
 even tv time, guaranteed :) )</div>
<div><br></div><div>ok, that was just science fiction :)</div><div><br></di=
v><div>to pull something like this, extraordinary motivation is needed. If =
I am not mistaken, the most damaging spy in the KGB/GRU for the CIA was a p=
erson whose son got seriously ill when he was on a short diplomatic event a=
t the UN in early 1960s, and his superiors forbid for his son to be taken t=
o a hospital. His son died, and as a revenge, he supplied CIA with info for=
 25 years, selecting whatever he wanted to pass (he would not take orders &=
quot;bring this, try that&quot;), and constantly inventing new ways to conv=
ey info. He never got a single cent from CIA and was caught only because of=
 a moll inside CIA. Apparently he was as high in the KGB/GRU hierarchy as a=
 sane technical person could get (if i&#39;m not mistaken, number 2 in one =
of the directorates) Unfortunately, I do not recall his name. =A0</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">2009/6/15 Digwuren <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@g=
mail.com">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x;">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 08:38,=
 Christian Suciu <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:christiansuciu@yah=
oo.com" target=3D"_blank">christiansuciu@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td vali=
gn=3D"top" style=3D"font:inherit"><div><a href=3D"http://www.heavenlyperfum=
es.com.au/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.heavenlyperfumes.com.au/</a><br></=
div><div>
(Maybe we could make some mischief through the &quot;Contact us&quot; form?=
=A0We could even call him up. Perhaps with a fake Russian accent (or
 real, in Andrei&#39;s case), or Martin&#39;s Australian one (I assume).)</=
div></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I susp=
ect the dangers of this approach outweigh its benefits. =A0He might become =
paranoid and claim he&#39;s being stalked.</div>

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