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Virtually all names of Eastern Prussia were not Polish, they were either an=
cient Prussian or German, as the Germans founded many cities there, and we =
do not have to hide it. Same in Sudety, this area was uninhabited until the=
 13th century, and only then German settlers founded several towns there, s=
uch as Jelenia Gora.=20
=A0
Western Pomerania and lands north of the Sudety are a different thing, as t=
hese lands had Slavic villages, whose names were Germanized. Interestingly,=
 most place names in Brandenburg and Mecklenburg are Slavic, too, with anci=
ent Slavic communities reaching as far west as Hamburg.=20
=A0
Tymek

--- On Mon, 8/24/09, Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [WPM] Polish Committee for Settling of Place Names
To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 1:58 PM


"Many places did not have Polish names, and they had to find completely new=
 ones."

It's the other way around actually-almost all had Polish or Slavic names si=
nce that was Polish and Slavic territory before. East Prussia was most prob=
lematic-but they were Old Prussian names as most settlements were in place =
of original villages or settlements destroyed by Teutonic Knights.


2009/8/24 piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>






Interesting article. Polish historians had many problems, especially in Eas=
t Prussia and Lower Silesia. Many places did not have Polish names, and the=
y had to find completely new ones. Zgorzelec for a while was called Zgorzel=
ice, until 1948.
=A0
Tymek

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl> wrote:


From: Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
Subject: [WPM] Polish Committee for Settling of Place Names
To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 2:15 PM





How's the article on the Nazi commission for expelled coming?

In the meantime, German editor HerkusMonte has created
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Committee_for_Settling_of_Place_Names
It is also nominated for DYK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know#Polish_Committee_fo=
r_Settling_of_Place_Names

At first glance I don't see any obvious propaganda, but our experts on=20
the Polish-German history may want to take a closer look at it.

Herkus is quite active recently, he has done a lot of edits to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Prussian_plebiscite
created a series of bios, some of them of Polish historians and writers,=20
and added a lot of German names to geographical places in Regained=20
Territories (not that I have any problem with that).

--=20
Piotr Konieczny

"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in=20
theory."

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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Virtually all names of Eastern Prussia w=
ere not Polish, they were either ancient Prussian or German, as the Germans=
 founded many cities there, and we do not have to hide it. Same in Sudety, =
this area was uninhabited until the 13th century, and only then German sett=
lers founded several towns there, such as Jelenia Gora. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Western Pomerania and lands north of the Sudety are a different thing,=
 as these lands had Slavic villages, whose names were Germanized. Interesti=
ngly, most place names in Brandenburg and Mecklenburg are Slavic, too, with=
 ancient Slavic communities reaching as far west as Hamburg. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Tymek<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 8/24/09, Molobo Molobo <I>&lt;molobus@gmai=
l.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Molobo Molobo &lt;molobus@gmail.com&gt;<BR>=
Subject: Re: [WPM] Polish Committee for Settling of Place Names<BR>To: "Wik=
ipedia statistics" &lt;folks@wikipedometer.net&gt;<BR>Date: Monday, August =
24, 2009, 1:58 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv383213798>"Many places did not have Polish names, and they had=
 to find completely new ones."<BR><BR>It's the other way around actually-al=
most all had Polish or Slavic names since that was Polish and Slavic territ=
ory before. East Prussia was most problematic-but they were Old Prussian na=
mes as most settlements were in place of original villages or settlements d=
estroyed by Teutonic Knights.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>2009/8/24 piotr micula <SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=
=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dbasiaipiotr@yahoo.com" t=
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<DIV>Interesting article. Polish historians had many problems, especially i=
n East Prussia and Lower Silesia. Many places did not have Polish names, an=
d they had to find completely new ones. Zgorzelec for a while was called Zg=
orzelice, until 1948.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Tymek<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 8/23/09, Piotr Konieczny <I>&lt;piokon@pos=
t.pl&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Piotr Konieczny &lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;<BR>S=
ubject: [WPM] Polish Committee for Settling of Place Names<BR>To: "Wikipedi=
a statistics" &lt;<A href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=
=3Dfolks@wikipedometer.net" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailt=
o:folks@wikipedometer.net">folks@wikipedometer.net</A>&gt;<BR>Date: Sunday,=
 August 23, 2009, 2:15 PM
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dh5><BR><BR>
<DIV>How's the article on the Nazi commission for expelled coming?<BR><BR>I=
n the meantime, German editor HerkusMonte has created<BR><A href=3D"http://=
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Committee_for_Settling_of_Place_Names" target=
=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Committee_for_=
Settling_of_Place_Names</A><BR>It is also nominated for DYK<BR><A href=3D"h=
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know#Polish_Committee_for=
_Settling_of_Place_Names" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikipedi=
a.org/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know#Polish_Committee_for_Settling_of_Plac=
e_Names</A><BR><BR>At first glance I don't see any obvious propaganda, but =
our experts on <BR>the Polish-German history may want to take a closer look=
 at it.<BR><BR>Herkus is quite active recently, he has done a lot of edits =
to<BR><A href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Prussian_plebiscite" tar=
get=3D_blank
 rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Prussian_plebiscite</A><B=
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Territories (not that I have any problem with that).<BR><BR>-- <BR>Piotr Ko=
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