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	Content preview: PetersJV@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/15/2009
	4:20:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > miacek08@googlemail.com writes: >
	> Just consider how long it took, since User:Miacek was invited to the >
	list here: if we are careful - as we should be - , the others are >
	presumably too :) > It won't be an easy job. > > The larger the group
	and the more recent the members the less secure it > is. I would play
	things close to the chest. Anything we think of doing > the opposition
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	Content preview:  PetersJV@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/15/2009
	4:20:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > miacek08@googlemail.com writes: >
	> Just consider how long it took, since User:Miacek was invited to the >
	list here: if we are careful - as we should be - , the others are >
	presumably too :) > It won't be an easy job. > > The larger the group
	and the more recent the members the less secure it > is. I would play
	things close to the chest. Anything we think of doing > the opposition
	is too, and there is likely some funding floating around > to support
	it....as I've already run across the paid sort on WP. That > said,
	anyone who is paid will eventually misstep, as they are expected > to
	produce results--all we have to do is to stymie them. [...] 
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PetersJV@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 6/15/2009 4:20:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> miacek08@googlemail.com writes:
> 
>     Just consider how long it took, since User:Miacek was invited to the
>     list here: if we are careful - as we should be - , the others are
>     presumably too :)
>     It won't be an easy job.
> 
> The larger the group and the more recent the members the less secure it 
> is. I would play things close to the chest. Anything we think of doing 
> the opposition is too, and there is likely some funding floating around 
> to support it....as I've already run across the paid sort on WP. That 
> said, anyone who is paid will eventually misstep, as they are expected 
> to produce results--all we have to do is to stymie them.

As for security, I'd like to repeat my proposal to modify the listerv 
software to strip the headings (replace forwarding with resending). To 
be honest, while I doubt we are currently infiltrated, I am afraid that 
this may happen one day, and when this happens, a few emails in which we 
discuss something bannable (even in the best intentions, and possibly 
out of context) may be the end of us. But if the emails had no headings, 
they can be said to be forgeries.

-- 
Piotr Konieczny

"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in 
theory."

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