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Having a couple of statements by international organizations in an article
does not mean that whole article should be called  "allegations of".

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:21 PM, <PetersJV@aol.com> wrote:

>  In a message dated 6/17/2009 6:14:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> PetersJV@aol.com writes:
>
> On allegations and all...
>
> This is our first "policy" test. We need an approach which satisfies our
> needs and conforms to WP policy. We need to insure items such as Amnesty
> International's allegations are reported as such.
>
> So, as I understand it,
>
>    - Allegations of... this is regarding the contention that illegal acts
>    have occurred for which no one has been convicted in a court of law.
>    - Allegations of (illegal) discrimination (according to international
>    treaties, et al.) is supported as a title.
>    - Internet operations of the Russian whoever... supported (no
>    "Allegations...") as acts are not necessarily illegal.
>
> Personally, while observing the letter of the WP:LAW (is there such a
> thing?), observing the letter and not spirit of the law is an accusation we
> would prefer to keep for our Wikilawyering friends. I don't want us to be
> open to such contentions, which I believe we are on this one.
>
> /Peters
>
>  That all said, I'm willing to low-key try the illegal versus not illegal
> aspect. Since Amensty Int'l alleges illegal acts, we're good on that. If the
> opposition can show illegality of alleged acts regarding the other topics
> near and dear to us, we'll have to abide by "Alleged " for those as well.
>
> /Peters
>
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Having a couple of statements by international organizations in an article =
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M,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:PetersJV@aol.com">PetersJV@aol.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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<div>In a message dated 6/17/2009 6:14:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20
<a href=3D"mailto:PetersJV@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">PetersJV@aol.com</a> =
writes:</div>
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  <div>On allegations and all...</div>
  <div>=A0</div>
  <div>This is our first &quot;policy&quot; test. We need an approach which=
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  needs and conforms to WP policy. We need to insure items such as Amnesty=
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    have occurred for which no one has been convicted in a court of law.=20
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    </li><li>Internet operations of the Russian whoever... supported (no=20
    &quot;Allegations...&quot;) as acts are not necessarily illegal.</li></=
ul>
  <div>Personally, while observing the letter of the WP:LAW (is there such =
a=20
  thing?), observing the letter and not spirit of the law is an accusation =
we=20
  would prefer to keep for our Wikilawyering friends. I don&#39;t want us t=
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  <div>/Peters</div></font></font></blockquote></div>
<div></div>
</div></div><div>That all said, I&#39;m willing to low-key try the illegal =
versus not illegal=20
aspect. Since Amensty Int&#39;l alleges illegal acts, we&#39;re good on tha=
t. If the=20
opposition can show illegality of alleged acts regarding the other topics n=
ear=20
and dear to us, we&#39;ll have to abide by &quot;Alleged &quot; for those a=
s well. </div>
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<div>/Peters</div></font><div class=3D"im"><div><br><font style=3D"color: b=
lack; font-family: arial,san-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: norma=
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arget=3D"_blank">Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday!</a><=
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