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On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 09:20, Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>wrote=
:

> 1) It needs to be a separate computer and a separate IP address,
> untraceable to our accounts, otherwise we can be blocked (their revenge f=
or
> treason would be mad, plus this would show to admins a spirit of increasi=
ng
> the level of fight, the permaban is guaranteed)
>

There's no need to do traceable treason.  The account would just go dormant
once it has fulfilled its purpose.

3) Acting, and I mean talent. Not everybody can do this. The story must be
> big and full, with tons of details. They should be able to see the email
> path to a country and city were there is plausible to exist Russians.
>

mail.ru ?

The story doesn't have to be bigger than how a high school student could se=
e
the world.  Slight na=C3=AFvet=C3=A9 is certainly a plus.

One possible r=C3=B4le would be that of a descendant of Russian expatriates=
 who
have made their home in, say, America.  Such a person could be searching
their roots, and thus, show interest in everything Russian, perhaps even
some radicalism, but could have an excuse for speaking very little of
Russian for reasons such as "My parents always spoke French at home".
 First-generation immigrants trying to enhance their children's integration
can do such things deliberately, so it's plausible.  And a grade 11 or 12
student would be a teenager, so he can also plausibly express his
disappointment over his parents for doing it.

It has been noted by security researchers that female accounts are somewhat
more successful at social engineering operations, but I'm not sure it would
be a good idea on Wikipedia.  I don't know of any female Cartel member, and
I am not sure why there don't seem to be any.

Also you have to be able to tell stories about that place, and be able to
> tell something about the Russian community there. Even better would be if
> "your full name" was googleable. Not having any traceable details would
> raise suspicions.
>

Make sure the full name is reasonably common, yet not conspicuously so.  Or
alternatively, lampshade its commonness.  Don't rush offering a full name i=
n
the first place.  Speak of generalities, such as a nice ice cream stand run
by some Grigori, who taught you to spell your name in Cyrillic and liked to
tell stories about Grigori Rasputin.  Naturally, the Cyrillic name would
have first name and patronym, while Western telephone directories and other
googlable material commonly has first name and last name, so
non-googleability would be excusable.  Perhaps start a LiveJournal under th=
e
name a few weeks before the Wikipedia affair, and make sure it googles.

Interestingly, but you know, many secret services have started this way...
> :) I mean if you go back 100 years ago. For example, the Chinese Communis=
t
> Party had a secret service since 1920s, and it started with a number of g=
uys
> like us. I once read a book about this.  :):):)
>

Right.  I once won such a book on a mathematics contest. :-)

--=20
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 09:20, Dorin Cheptea <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dorin.cheptea@gmail.com">dorin.cheptea=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>1) It needs to be a separate computer and a separate IP address, untra=
ceable to our accounts, otherwise we can be blocked (their revenge for trea=
son would be mad, plus this would show to admins a spirit of increasing the=
 level of fight, the permaban is guaranteed)</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>There&#39;s no need to do traceable treaso=
n. =C2=A0The account would just go dormant once it has fulfilled its purpos=
e.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div></div>
<div>3) Acting, and I mean talent. Not everybody can do this. The story mus=
t be big and full, with tons of details. They should be able to see the ema=
il path to a country and city were there is plausible to exist Russians.</d=
iv>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://mail.ru">mail.ru</a> ?</=
div><div><br></div><div>The story doesn&#39;t have to be bigger than how a =
high school student could see the world. =C2=A0Slight na=C3=AFvet=C3=A9 is =
certainly a plus.</div>
<div><br></div><div>One possible r=C3=B4le would be that of a descendant of=
 Russian expatriates who have made their home in, say, America. =C2=A0Such =
a person could be searching their roots, and thus, show interest in everyth=
ing Russian, perhaps even some radicalism, but could have an excuse for spe=
aking very little of Russian for reasons such as &quot;My parents always sp=
oke French at home&quot;. =C2=A0First-generation immigrants trying to enhan=
ce their children&#39;s integration can do such things deliberately, so it&=
#39;s plausible. =C2=A0And a grade 11 or 12 student would be a teenager, so=
 he can also plausibly express his disappointment over his parents for doin=
g it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It has been noted by security researchers that female a=
ccounts are somewhat more successful at social engineering operations, but =
I&#39;m not sure it would be a good idea on Wikipedia. =C2=A0I don&#39;t kn=
ow of any female Cartel member, and I am not sure why there don&#39;t seem =
to be any.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>Also you have to be abl=
e to tell stories about that place, and be able to tell something about the=
 Russian community there. Even better would be if &quot;your full name&quot=
; was googleable. Not having any traceable details would raise suspicions.<=
/div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Make sure the full name is reasonably comm=
on, yet not conspicuously so. =C2=A0Or alternatively, lampshade its commonn=
ess. =C2=A0Don&#39;t rush offering a full name in the first place. =C2=A0Sp=
eak of generalities, such as a nice ice cream stand run by some Grigori, wh=
o taught you to spell your name in Cyrillic and liked to tell stories about=
 Grigori Rasputin. =C2=A0Naturally, the Cyrillic name would have first name=
 and patronym, while Western telephone directories and other googlable mate=
rial commonly has first name and last name, so non-googleability would be e=
xcusable. =C2=A0Perhaps start a LiveJournal under the name a few weeks befo=
re the Wikipedia affair, and make sure it googles.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>Interestingly, but you =
know, many secret services have started this way... :) I mean if you go bac=
k 100 years ago. For example, the Chinese Communist Party had a secret serv=
ice since 1920s, and it started with a number of guys like us. I once read =
a book about this. =C2=A0:):):)</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Right. =C2=A0I once won such a book on a m=
athematics contest. :-)</div><div><br></div></div>-- <br>Andres Soolo<br>

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