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Yeah I've been talking to Woogie about this a bit and I've found quite a
bit. Conze and Hans Rothfels definitely have a lot of skeletons in their
closet.

Right now I'm waiting for the response from Skapperod. However, even if
there isn't any it might be worthwhile to consider writing a whole new
article - or at least a subsection in the existing relevant ones - on the
composition of the commission.

Something like "1953 Scheider commission".

Radek


2009/8/1 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>

> A sample of Conze's ideas: proposal to purge Poland of Jews:
>
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=3DeZADGcnR87AC&pg=3DPR11&dq=3DWerner+Con=
ze+Poles&lr=3D&ei=3D6pR0SuKwHJiQyQTO5bz3Ag&hl=3Dpl#v=3Donepage&q=3DWerner%2=
0Conze%20&f=3Dtrue
>
>
> I feel that an article on the Commission and its members is going to happ=
en
> :D
>
> 2009/8/1 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>:
> > A rich find.
> >
> > Another member of the commission was Werner Conze.
> >
> > Now this is rich-he was a very racist ideologist before the war and
> > formulated many  ideas towards Poles and Jews. In 1939 he published
> > memorandum on "dejewification" in conquered Poland.
> >
> >
> http://books.google.com/books?id=3Do2dxjEiycfcC&pg=3DPA121&dq=3DWerner+Co=
nze+Poles&lr=3D&ei=3DI5R0SrzkBonOzQSAydz3Ag&hl=3Dpl#v=3Donepage&q=3DWerner%=
20Conze%20Poles&f=3Dfalse
> >
> >
> http://books.google.com/books?id=3D8Kme_3IrvEMC&pg=3DRA1-PA230&dq=3DAdolf=
+Diestelkamp+conze&lr=3D&ei=3DQZN0StmVIYeEyQTatbXhAg&hl=3Dpl#v=3Donepage&q=
=3DAdolf%20Diestelkamp%20conze&f=3Dfalse
> >
> > The more I look at this the more astounded I am, I knew nationalists
> > were tolerated in post-war Germany, but it looks like the whole
> > comission and the 2milion number was made by Nazis.
> >
> > 2009/8/1 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>:
> >> According to Woogie the other members of the commission were:
> >> Dr. Adolf Diestlkamp
> >> Dr. Rudolf Laun
> >> Dr. Peter Rassow
> >> Dr. Hans Rothfels
> >>
> >> 2009/7/31 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> I've asked Woogie about it, he might know as he seems pretty
> knowledgeable
> >>> in this area.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sure we can catch Skapperod in this although goading him into
> >>> further statements about the "non-Nazi" nature of the commission can =
be
> >>> helpful in exposing him.
> >>>
> >>> Radek
> >>>
> >>> 2009/7/31 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> If it is Hans Lukaschek then he was the chief of antipolish propagan=
da
> >>>> during fights with Poles in Upper Silesia:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=3DQIAXSaC3lMQC&pg=3DPA176&dq=3DLukaschek=
&ei=3DZF1zSr2fApqUygT0m72RAw&hl=3Dpl#v=3Donepage&q=3DLukaschek&f=3Dfalse
> >>>>
> >>>> 2009/7/31 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>:
> >>>> > Thank you Radek !
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Also I noted Skapperod comment:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > "Schieder was the head of the commission, and he had a Nazi past.
> Yet
> >>>> > there
> >>>> > were also other people in the commission with not such a past, eg
> >>>> > Oberl=C3=A4nder
> >>>> > had broken with Koch already in 1938, and Lukaschek was in the
> >>>> > anti-Nazi
> >>>> > resistance. Sk=C3=A4pper=C3=B6d (talk) "
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Could you find out the name of the Oberl=C3=A4nder ? Or the names =
of the
> >>>> > commission people ?
> >>>> > I think I heard the Oberl=C3=A4nder name before. As to "Anti-Nazi"
> >>>> > resistance
> >>>> > that's hardly an argument, since many of those despised Poles
> despite
> >>>> > opposing Hitler (Stauffenberg for example).
> >>>> >
> >>>> > If this is Theodor Oberl=C3=A4nder then Skapperod is either ignora=
nt or
> >>>> > trying to
> >>>> > smuggle under the carpet a very nasty revisionism. Either ways he =
is
> in
> >>>> > deep
> >>>> > trouble. Oberl=C3=A4nder was one of the people supporting the Gene=
ralplan
> >>>> > Ost.
> >>>> > Don't let him know that yet. Let us confirm this is this person.
> Then
> >>>> > we can
> >>>> > reveal that fact and add that the comission was made up partly of
> >>>> > former
> >>>> > nazi supporters supporting Generalplan Ost. Btw the current versio=
n
> in
> >>>> > the
> >>>> > article misleads the reader that Generalplan Ost was "expulsion
> plan"
> >>>> > rather
> >>>> > then extermination plan(as can be sourced in this article from
> Piotrus
> >>>> > http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22875 )
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 2009/7/31 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I just did a big rewrite of the Casualties section in the
> Expulsions
> >>>> >> article, based on the Overmans and the Haar source- Woogie was ni=
ce
> >>>> >> enough
> >>>> >> to scan in an Overmans ref from the library and send it to me. I
> >>>> >> expect
> >>>> >> Skapperod will start reverting it soon and a revert or two of him=
,
> to
> >>>> >> show
> >>>> >> that he is editing against consensus and against sources would be
> very
> >>>> >> helpful. Don't go crazy though - 1 revert with some discussion.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Radek
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> 2009/7/29 Jack <jacurek@yahoo.com>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Thank you guys for taking care of Skapperod. I'm away on the tri=
p
> and
> >>>> >>> can't be much help but will do it as soon as I come back.
> >>>> >>> Thanks again.
> >>>> >>> Jacek
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> From: Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>> Subject: Re: [WPM] For Jacurek/additional editors helpfull/Found
> >>>> >>> information about Jews killed in Holocaust counted as expelled
> >>>> >>> Germans
> >>>> >>> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> >>>> >>> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 6:54 PM
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Got the fragment about Jews killed in Holocaust being counted as
> >>>> >>> expelled:
> >>>> >>> http://www.pism.pl/zalaczniki/PPD_39_Haar.pdf
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Page 15 of the pdf file(25 in text):
> >>>> >>> Do strat zwi=C4=85zanych z wyp=C4=99
> >>>> >>> dzeniami zostali zaliczeni r=C3=B3wnie=C2=BF zamordowani niemiec=
cy =C5=BBydzi
> oraz
> >>>> >>> inne
> >>>> >>> ofiary nazizmu, kt=C3=B3re potraktowano jako niewyja=C5=9Bnione =
przypadki.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> W dniu 29 lipca 2009 04:28 u=C5=BCytkownik Molobo Molobo
> >>>> >>> <molobus@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>> napisa=C5=82:
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> Hi Radek,
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> Could you give me the link to the file where the numbers are
> >>>> >>>> mentioned ?
> >>>> >>>> Anyway from my memory-Skapperod is lying.
> >>>> >>>> Here is a an example of extensive discussion on Obverman with
> >>>> >>>> english
> >>>> >>>> translation:
> >>>> >>>> http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=3D6291
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> This estimate, which in the second paragraph is referred to as
> being
> >>>> >>>> well above the mark, has recently been challenged by German
> >>>> >>>> historians, for
> >>>> >>>> example by R=C3=BCdiger Overmans, author of Deutsche Milit=C3=
=A4rische
> >>>> >>>> Verluste im
> >>>> >>>> Zweiten Weltkrieg. Overmans writes the following (my
> translation):
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>   "The deaths during flight and expulsion concerned the Germans
> in
> >>>> >>>> the
> >>>> >>>> immediate postwar period as much as the fate of the missing
> >>>> >>>> soldiers, and
> >>>> >>>> similar efforts were made to clarify the fate of the missing
> >>>> >>>> civilians or
> >>>> >>>> bring families together. A huge scientific project reconstructe=
d
> the
> >>>> >>>> events
> >>>> >>>> historiographically, the Federal Statistics Office (Statistisch=
es
> >>>> >>>> Bundesamt), the refugees=E2=80=99 associations and the clerical=
 search
> >>>> >>>> service did a
> >>>> >>>> lot with the financial support of the Federal Government to
> >>>> >>>> quantitatively
> >>>> >>>> assess the fate of those expelled as accurately as possible. Th=
e
> >>>> >>>> result can
> >>>> >>>> be summarized in the conclusion that about 2 million Germans ha=
d
> >>>> >>>> been killed
> >>>> >>>> during flight and expulsion - not including those from the
> >>>> >>>> respective
> >>>> >>>> territories who had died during military service.
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>    These casualty figures, however, which for decades have been
> an
> >>>> >>>> integral part of the respective serious literature, are the
> result
> >>>> >>>> not of a
> >>>> >>>> counting of death records or similar concrete data, but of a
> >>>> >>>> population
> >>>> >>>> balance which concluded that the fate of about 2 million
> inhabitants
> >>>> >>>> of the
> >>>> >>>> expulsion territories could not be clarified and that it must
> >>>> >>>> therefore be
> >>>> >>>> assumed that they had lost their lives in the course of these
> >>>> >>>> events. In the
> >>>> >>>> last years, however, these statements have been increasingly
> >>>> >>>> questioned, as
> >>>> >>>> the studies about the sum of reported deaths showed that the
> number
> >>>> >>>> of
> >>>> >>>> victims can hardly have been higher than 500,000 persons - whic=
h
> is
> >>>> >>>> also an
> >>>> >>>> unimaginable number of victims, but nevertheless only a quarter
> of
> >>>> >>>> the
> >>>> >>>> previous data. In favor of the hitherto assumed numbers it coul=
d
> >>>> >>>> always be
> >>>> >>>> said, however, that the balance didn=E2=80=99t say that the dea=
th of
> these
> >>>> >>>> people
> >>>> >>>> had been proven, but only that their fate could not be
> clarified."
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> I boldened the important parts. I am also a bit angry because t=
he
> 2
> >>>> >>>> milion mumber does include some Jews that perished in
> Holocaust-but
> >>>> >>>> I lost
> >>>> >>>> the article where it was written.
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> W dniu 29 lipca 2009 01:32 u=C5=BCytkownik radek szulga
> >>>> >>>> <rsszulga@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>> napisa=C5=82:
> >>>> >>>> > Hey Molobo, my German's next to non existent so could you loo=
k
> at
> >>>> >>>> > Skapperod's latest argument
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> > [
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Expulsion_of_Germans_after_World_War_II=
#Overmans
> ]?
> >>>> >>>> > He's trying to claim that Overmans implies that the 2+ millio=
n
> >>>> >>>> > figure
> >>>> >>>> > has to
> >>>> >>>> > be revised by only 344,000, whereas other sources clearly sta=
te
> >>>> >>>> > that
> >>>> >>>> > this is
> >>>> >>>> > only part of the picture. It looks to me like Skapperod's
> trying
> >>>> >>>> > to
> >>>> >>>> > take one
> >>>> >>>> > single adjustment out of many and pretend that that's all the=
re
> is
> >>>> >>>> > to
> >>>> >>>> > it.
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> > Radek
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> > 2009/7/25 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >> Hi Jacurek-a clear statement that numbers are used by
> politicians
> >>>> >>>> >> :
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >> http://miasta.gazeta.pl/wroclaw/1,35762,5205417.html
> >>>> >>>> >> "Politycy cz=C4=99sto dzi=C5=9B wykorzystuj=C4=85 wyp=C4=99d=
zenia i wysiedlenia do
> >>>> >>>> >> swoich
> >>>> >>>> >> dora=C5=BAnych cel=C3=B3w. Przedstawiaj=C4=85 takie wydarzen=
ia i liczby,
> kt=C3=B3re
> >>>> >>>> >> dla
> >>>> >>>> >> nich s=C4=85 akurat wygodne"
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >> Since Skapperod has started reverting you perhaps it would b=
e
> >>>> >>>> >> better
> >>>> >>>> >> if you would be assisted by Radek or Tymek or other editor
> that
> >>>> >>>> >> knows
> >>>> >>>> >> Polish and good add this source.
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >> 2009/7/25 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>:
> >>>> >>>> >> > I see you are engaging in debate about casualties numbers
> and
> >>>> >>>> >> > if
> >>>> >>>> >> > the
> >>>> >>>> >> > numbers
> >>>> >>>> >> > were influenced by politicians in Expulsion of Germans
> article.
> >>>> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >>>> >> > Here is a usefull source by Polish historian that could he=
lp
> >>>> >>>> >> > you
> >>>> >>>> >> > and can
> >>>> >>>> >> > be
> >>>> >>>> >> > added as well to the sources needed
> >>>> >>>> >> > http://www.rp.pl/artykul/2,339708_Zurek__Gra_w_ofiary.html
> >>>> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >>>> >>
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Yeah I&#39;ve been talking to Woogie about this a bit and I&#39;ve found qu=
ite a bit. Conze and Hans Rothfels definitely have a lot of skeletons in th=
eir closet.<br><br>Right now I&#39;m waiting for the response from Skappero=
d. However, even if there isn&#39;t any it might be worthwhile to consider =
writing a whole new article - or at least a subsection in the existing rele=
vant ones - on the composition of the commission.<br>
<br>Something like &quot;1953 Scheider commission&quot;.<br><br>Radek<br><b=
r><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/8/1 Molobo Molobo <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204,=
 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
A sample of Conze&#39;s ideas: proposal to purge Poland of Jews:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://books.google.com/books?id=3DeZADGcnR87AC&amp;pg=3DPR11&am=
p;dq=3DWerner+Conze+Poles&amp;lr=3D&amp;ei=3D6pR0SuKwHJiQyQTO5bz3Ag&amp;hl=
=3Dpl#v=3Donepage&amp;q=3DWerner%20Conze%20&amp;f=3Dtrue" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://books.google.com/books?id=3DeZADGcnR87AC&amp;pg=3DPR11&amp;dq=3DWer=
ner+Conze+Poles&amp;lr=3D&amp;ei=3D6pR0SuKwHJiQyQTO5bz3Ag&amp;hl=3Dpl#v=3Do=
nepage&amp;q=3DWerner%20Conze%20&amp;f=3Dtrue</a><br>

<br>
<br>
I feel that an article on the Commission and its members is going to happen=
 :D<br>
<br>
2009/8/1 Molobo Molobo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">&gt; A rich find.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Another member of the commission was Werner Conze.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Now this is rich-he was a very racist ideologist before the war and<br=
>
&gt; formulated many =C2=A0ideas towards Poles and Jews. In 1939 he publish=
ed<br>
&gt; memorandum on &quot;dejewification&quot; in conquered Poland.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://books.google.com/books?id=3Do2dxjEiycfcC&amp;pg=3DPA=
121&amp;dq=3DWerner+Conze+Poles&amp;lr=3D&amp;ei=3DI5R0SrzkBonOzQSAydz3Ag&a=
mp;hl=3Dpl#v=3Donepage&amp;q=3DWerner%20Conze%20Poles&amp;f=3Dfalse" target=
=3D"_blank">http://books.google.com/books?id=3Do2dxjEiycfcC&amp;pg=3DPA121&=
amp;dq=3DWerner+Conze+Poles&amp;lr=3D&amp;ei=3DI5R0SrzkBonOzQSAydz3Ag&amp;h=
l=3Dpl#v=3Donepage&amp;q=3DWerner%20Conze%20Poles&amp;f=3Dfalse</a><br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://books.google.com/books?id=3D8Kme_3IrvEMC&amp;pg=3DRA=
1-PA230&amp;dq=3DAdolf+Diestelkamp+conze&amp;lr=3D&amp;ei=3DQZN0StmVIYeEyQT=
atbXhAg&amp;hl=3Dpl#v=3Donepage&amp;q=3DAdolf%20Diestelkamp%20conze&amp;f=
=3Dfalse" target=3D"_blank">http://books.google.com/books?id=3D8Kme_3IrvEMC=
&amp;pg=3DRA1-PA230&amp;dq=3DAdolf+Diestelkamp+conze&amp;lr=3D&amp;ei=3DQZN=
0StmVIYeEyQTatbXhAg&amp;hl=3Dpl#v=3Donepage&amp;q=3DAdolf%20Diestelkamp%20c=
onze&amp;f=3Dfalse</a><br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; The more I look at this the more astounded I am, I knew nationalists<b=
r>
&gt; were tolerated in post-war Germany, but it looks like the whole<br>
&gt; comission and the 2milion number was made by Nazis.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2009/8/1 radek szulga &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com">rsszul=
ga@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
&gt;&gt; According to Woogie the other members of the commission were:<br>
&gt;&gt; Dr. Adolf Diestlkamp<br>
&gt;&gt; Dr. Rudolf Laun<br>
&gt;&gt; Dr. Peter Rassow<br>
&gt;&gt; Dr. Hans Rothfels<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; 2009/7/31 radek szulga &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com">r=
sszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve asked Woogie about it, he might know as he seems pret=
ty knowledgeable<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; in this area.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;m not sure we can catch Skapperod in this although goadi=
ng him into<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; further statements about the &quot;non-Nazi&quot; nature of th=
e commission can be<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; helpful in exposing him.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Radek<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; 2009/7/31 Molobo Molobo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.co=
m">molobus@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; If it is Hans Lukaschek then he was the chief of antipolis=
h propaganda<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; during fights with Poles in Upper Silesia:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://books.google.com/books?id=3DQIAXSaC3lMQC=
&amp;pg=3DPA176&amp;dq=3DLukaschek&amp;ei=3DZF1zSr2fApqUygT0m72RAw&amp;hl=
=3Dpl#v=3Donepage&amp;q=3DLukaschek&amp;f=3Dfalse" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/books.google.com/books?id=3DQIAXSaC3lMQC&amp;pg=3DPA176&amp;dq=3DLukaschek=
&amp;ei=3DZF1zSr2fApqUygT0m72RAw&amp;hl=3Dpl#v=3Donepage&amp;q=3DLukaschek&=
amp;f=3Dfalse</a><br>

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2009/7/31 Molobo Molobo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmai=
l.com">molobus@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Thank you Radek !<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Also I noted Skapperod comment:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;Schieder was the head of the commission, and he=
 had a Nazi past. Yet<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; there<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; were also other people in the commission with not suc=
h a past, eg<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Oberl=C3=A4nder<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; had broken with Koch already in 1938, and Lukaschek w=
as in the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; anti-Nazi<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; resistance. Sk=C3=A4pper=C3=B6d (talk) &quot;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Could you find out the name of the Oberl=C3=A4nder ? =
Or the names of the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; commission people ?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; I think I heard the Oberl=C3=A4nder name before. As t=
o &quot;Anti-Nazi&quot;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; resistance<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; that&#39;s hardly an argument, since many of those de=
spised Poles despite<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; opposing Hitler (Stauffenberg for example).<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; If this is Theodor Oberl=C3=A4nder then Skapperod is =
either ignorant or<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; trying to<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; smuggle under the carpet a very nasty revisionism. Ei=
ther ways he is in<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; deep<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; trouble. Oberl=C3=A4nder was one of the people suppor=
ting the Generalplan<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Ost.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Don&#39;t let him know that yet. Let us confirm this =
is this person. Then<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; we can<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; reveal that fact and add that the comission was made =
up partly of<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; former<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; nazi supporters supporting Generalplan Ost. Btw the c=
urrent version in<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; article misleads the reader that Generalplan Ost was =
&quot;expulsion plan&quot;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; rather<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; then extermination plan(as can be sourced in this art=
icle from Piotrus<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22875" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22875</a> )<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; 2009/7/31 radek szulga &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga=
@gmail.com">rsszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I just did a big rewrite of the Casualties sectio=
n in the Expulsions<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; article, based on the Overmans and the Haar sourc=
e- Woogie was nice<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; enough<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; to scan in an Overmans ref from the library and s=
end it to me. I<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; expect<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Skapperod will start reverting it soon and a reve=
rt or two of him, to<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; show<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; that he is editing against consensus and against =
sources would be very<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; helpful. Don&#39;t go crazy though - 1 revert wit=
h some discussion.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Radek<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 2009/7/29 Jack &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jacurek@yaho=
o.com">jacurek@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Thank you guys for taking care of Skapperod. =
I&#39;m away on the trip and<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; can&#39;t be much help but will do it as soon=
 as I come back.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks again.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Jacek<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Molobo Molobo &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; From: Molobo Molobo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mol=
obus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [WPM] For Jacurek/additional edi=
tors helpfull/Found<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; information about Jews killed in Holocaust co=
unted as expelled<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Germans<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; To: &quot;Wikipedia statistics&quot; &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net">folks@wikipedometer.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 6:54 PM<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Got the fragment about Jews killed in Holocau=
st being counted as<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; expelled:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.pism.pl/zalaczniki/PPD_=
39_Haar.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://www.pism.pl/zalaczniki/PPD_39_Haar.pd=
f</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Page 15 of the pdf file(25 in text):<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Do strat zwi=C4=85zanych z wyp=C4=99<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; dzeniami zostali zaliczeni r=C3=B3wnie=C2=BF =
zamordowani niemieccy =C5=BBydzi oraz<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; inne<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; ofiary nazizmu, kt=C3=B3re potraktowano jako =
niewyja=C5=9Bnione przypadki.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; W dniu 29 lipca 2009 04:28 u=C5=BCytkownik Mo=
lobo Molobo<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molo=
bus@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; napisa=C5=82:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi Radek,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Could you give me the link to the file wh=
ere the numbers are<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; mentioned ?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Anyway from my memory-Skapperod is lying.=
<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Here is a an example of extensive discuss=
ion on Obverman with<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; english<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; translation:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://forum.axishistory.com/v=
iewtopic.php?t=3D6291" target=3D"_blank">http://forum.axishistory.com/viewt=
opic.php?t=3D6291</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; This estimate, which in the second paragr=
aph is referred to as being<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; well above the mark, has recently been ch=
allenged by German<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; historians, for<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; example by R=C3=BCdiger Overmans, author =
of Deutsche Milit=C3=A4rische<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Verluste im<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Zweiten Weltkrieg. Overmans writes the fo=
llowing (my translation):<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0 &quot;The deaths during flight and=
 expulsion concerned the Germans in<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; immediate postwar period as much as the f=
ate of the missing<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; soldiers, and<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; similar efforts were made to clarify the =
fate of the missing<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; civilians or<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; bring families together. A huge scientifi=
c project reconstructed the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; events<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; historiographically, the Federal Statisti=
cs Office (Statistisches<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Bundesamt), the refugees=E2=80=99 associa=
tions and the clerical search<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; service did a<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; lot with the financial support of the Fed=
eral Government to<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; quantitatively<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; assess the fate of those expelled as accu=
rately as possible. The<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; result can<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; be summarized in the conclusion that abou=
t 2 million Germans had<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; been killed<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; during flight and expulsion - not includi=
ng those from the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; respective<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; territories who had died during military =
service.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0 =C2=A0These casualty figures, howe=
ver, which for decades have been an<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; integral part of the respective serious l=
iterature, are the result<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; not of a<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; counting of death records or similar conc=
rete data, but of a<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; population<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; balance which concluded that the fate of =
about 2 million inhabitants<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; expulsion territories could not be clarif=
ied and that it must<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; therefore be<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; assumed that they had lost their lives in=
 the course of these<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; events. In the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; last years, however, these statements hav=
e been increasingly<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; questioned, as<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the studies about the sum of reported dea=
ths showed that the number<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; victims can hardly have been higher than =
500,000 persons - which is<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; also an<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; unimaginable number of victims, but never=
theless only a quarter of<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; previous data. In favor of the hitherto a=
ssumed numbers it could<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; always be<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; said, however, that the balance didn=E2=
=80=99t say that the death of these<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; people<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; had been proven, but only that their fate=
 could not be clarified.&quot;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I boldened the important parts. I am also=
 a bit angry because the 2<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; milion mumber does include some Jews that=
 perished in Holocaust-but<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I lost<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the article where it was written.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; W dniu 29 lipca 2009 01:32 u=C5=BCytkowni=
k radek szulga<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com"=
>rsszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; napisa=C5=82:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Hey Molobo, my German&#39;s next to =
non existent so could you look at<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Skapperod&#39;s latest argument<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; [<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/=
wiki/Talk:Expulsion_of_Germans_after_World_War_II#Overmans" target=3D"_blan=
k">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Expulsion_of_Germans_after_World_War_I=
I#Overmans</a>]?<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; He&#39;s trying to claim that Overma=
ns implies that the 2+ million<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; figure<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; has to<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; be revised by only 344,000, whereas =
other sources clearly state<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; that<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; this is<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; only part of the picture. It looks t=
o me like Skapperod&#39;s trying<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; to<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; take one<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; single adjustment out of many and pr=
etend that that&#39;s all there is<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; to<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; it.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Radek<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; 2009/7/25 Molobo Molobo &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Hi Jacurek-a clear statement tha=
t numbers are used by politicians<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; :<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://miasta.gazeta.=
pl/wroclaw/1,35762,5205417.html" target=3D"_blank">http://miasta.gazeta.pl/=
wroclaw/1,35762,5205417.html</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;Politycy cz=C4=99sto dzi=
=C5=9B wykorzystuj=C4=85 wyp=C4=99dzenia i wysiedlenia do<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; swoich<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; dora=C5=BAnych cel=C3=B3w. Przed=
stawiaj=C4=85 takie wydarzenia i liczby, kt=C3=B3re<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; dla<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; nich s=C4=85 akurat wygodne&quot=
;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Since Skapperod has started reve=
rting you perhaps it would be<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; better<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; if you would be assisted by Rade=
k or Tymek or other editor that<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; knows<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Polish and good add this source.=
<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 2009/7/25 Molobo Molobo &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; I see you are engaging in d=
ebate about casualties numbers and<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; if<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; numbers<br>
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