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2009/6/4 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>

>  On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 22:38, Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> If I understood correctly, the Parliament has not been dissolved yet. The
>> acting president (Voronin, who by the way now is also Speaker of the
>> Parliament)
>>
>
> Isn't there a separation of powers rule to prohibit this sort of thing?
>

Voronin claims he is only acting president until the election of the new
one. The issue is murky, but apparently the opposition did not press too
much upon this, the main attention of all forces being on the elections of
the new president, which now failed. (The parliament to be dissolved - which
lasted since April - has 60 communist MPs and 41 liberal MPs. One needs 61
votes to elect the president.)


>
>  The election campain would last 60 days, which allows Voronin to set the
>> date of the elections in mid-August, before the start of schools in
>> September. Obviously, he hopes that students would be less organized (incl.
>> would come to vote in fewer numbers). As a
>>
>
> What about out-of-home voting provisions?  Most countries allow their
> citizens who happen to be overseas to vote at foreign embassies, for
> example.  In some countries, voting by mail is also an option.
>

Most Moldovan abroad do not live in the capital cities of those countries,
and even when they do, few chose to search and then go to the Moldovan
Ambassy to vote. The reason behind this is that only 20% hold educated jobs,
while up to 80% find jobs in consturction, agriculture, services of all
sorts, industry, etc and are reluctant to travel too far. Highest densities
of Moldovans are in some areas in Portugal, in northern Italy (it is said
that in the Po river valley, i.e. in north Itally, Moldovans are 1% of the
population), also in greater Moscow area.

Votting by post is unheard of (and I think not in the current electoral
law), but votting at embassies is a common practice, only that 1 in 50 chose
to use it. For example in the 2001 and 2005 elections I did not vote,
because I couldn't afford to lay down several hundred dollars for an air
ticket to New York or Washington (I was in the USA at the time), similarly
in 1998 I couldn't afford a train ticket to Berlin or Vienna (I was in
Munich). So, I suppose simmilar reasons are valid for most Moldovans. Less
than 20 European cities have Moldovan diplomatic representations, and
outside Europe - only New York, Washington, Beijing, Tel Aviv, Haifa, Ankara
and Bacu. Suppose you are in Tokyo, Sydney or Buenos Aires, would you apply
for a US visa (for which in some cases you are asked to go to your home
country) then travel to New York just to vote? If you are in Cyprus, would
you buy a ticket to Athens? If you are in Padova, would you buy a ticket to
Rome? If you are in Dublin or Edinborough, would you buy a ticket to
London? If you are in Lyon, would you buy a ticket to Paris? The truth is
that actually a couple thosand do just that! Out of 600,000...

IMHO, the only medium/long term solution is a reliable votter list (which
was one of the most contensious issues in Moldovan politics so far) and
internet votting. But wait one generation until you'll see that implemented.

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/6/4 Digwuren <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"im">On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 22:38, Dorin Cheptea <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dorin.cheptea@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dorin=
.cheptea@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>If I understood correctly, the Parliament has not been dissolved yet. =
The acting president (Voronin, who by the way now is also Speaker of the Pa=
rliament)</div></blockquote>
<div><br></div></div>
<div>Isn&#39;t there a separation of powers rule to prohibit this sort of t=
hing?</div></div></blockquote>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Voronin claims he is only acting president until the election of the n=
ew one. The issue is murky, but apparently the opposition did not press too=
 much upon this, the main attention of all forces being on the elections of=
 the new president, which now failed. (The parliament to be dissolved - whi=
ch lasted since April -=A0has 60 communist MPs and 41 liberal MPs. One need=
s 61 votes to elect the president.)</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div><span></span></div>
<div class=3D"im">
<div><br></div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>The election campain would last 60 days, which allows Voronin to set t=
he date of the elections in mid-August, before the start of schools in Sept=
ember. Obviously, he hopes that students would be less organized (incl. wou=
ld come to vote in fewer numbers). As a</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br></div></div>
<div>What about out-of-home voting provisions? =A0Most countries allow thei=
r citizens who happen to be overseas to vote at foreign embassies, for exam=
ple. =A0In some countries, voting by mail is also an option.</div></div></b=
lockquote>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Most Moldovan abroad do not live in the capital cities of those countr=
ies, and even when they do, few chose to search and then go to the Moldovan=
 Ambassy to vote. The reason behind this is that only 20% hold educated job=
s, while up to 80% find jobs in consturction, agriculture, services of all =
sorts, industry, etc and are reluctant to travel too far. Highest densities=
 of Moldovans are in some areas in Portugal, in northern Italy (it is said =
that in the Po river valley, i.e. in north Itally, Moldovans are 1% of the =
population), also=A0in greater Moscow area.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Votting by post is unheard of (and I think not in the current electora=
l law), but votting at embassies is a common practice, only that 1 in 50 ch=
ose to use it.=A0For example in the 2001 and 2005 elections I did not vote,=
 because I=A0couldn&#39;t afford to lay down several hundred dollars for an=
 air ticket to New York or Washington (I was in the USA at the time), simil=
arly in 1998 I couldn&#39;t afford a train ticket to Berlin or Vienna (I wa=
s in Munich). So, I suppose=A0simmilar reasons are valid for most Moldovans=
.=A0Less than 20=A0European cities have Moldovan diplomatic representations=
, and outside Europe - only New York, Washington, Beijing, Tel Aviv, Haifa,=
 Ankara and=A0Bacu. Suppose you are in Tokyo, Sydney or Buenos Aires, would=
 you apply for a US visa (for which in some cases you are asked to go to yo=
ur home country) then travel to New York just to vote? If you are in Cyprus=
, would you buy a ticket to Athens? If you=A0are in Padova, would you buy a=
 ticket to Rome? If you are in Dublin or Edinborough, would you buy a ticke=
t to London?=A0If you are in Lyon, would you buy a ticket to Paris? The tru=
th is that actually a couple thosand do just that! Out of 600,000...</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>IMHO, the only medium/long term solution is a reliable votter list (wh=
ich was one of the most contensious issues=A0in Moldovan=A0politics so far)=
 and internet votting. But wait one generation until you&#39;ll see that im=
plemented. </div>
</div><br>

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