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To Richard Tylman,

Although Bandurist has strong Ukrainian nationalistic views, I would advise
against opening an RfC case about him, if that is what you mean.  He was
good in keeping certain Soviet trolls at bay, and this seems to be an
unnecessary confrontation.

Andrei


On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Richard Tylman <poeticbent@hotmail.com>wr=
ote:

>  I looked into it and I think I would be able to compile a pretty strong
> case against Bandurist and his battleground creation including wheel warr=
ing
> and political provocations right across the board (not just about Poland)=
,
> beginning with threats on his user page, removal of well referenced book
> info, angry lies in his re-writes, BLP violations and so on, however, I=
=92m
> also prone to listening to what others say around here, that=92s why, I
> decided to put my report on hold and see what happens next and how you gu=
ys
> respond to my idea.
>
> Please do not misunderstand my intentions though. The fact that I=92m
> passionate about writing does not mean that I have strong opinions about =
any
> particular subject. I=92m passionate about everything I choose to write a=
bout,
> that=92s why over 30 of my new articles were selected as leading DYKs. =
=96 That
> is no accident.
>
> I doubled the size of the article about the Holocaust in Poland bringing
> real knowledge into it with due weight and historical balance, as soon as
> Boodlesthecat and Moordoor went away and stopped stabbing me in the back.=
 I
> would do the same for Volhynia as soon as Bandurist, Faustian and Lvivske
> were dealt with properly, because none of them is objective or willing to
> compromise. I responded to them =96 in talk =96 the same way most grownup=
s
> respond to nasty boys who play dumb. =96 Some users will never stop abusi=
ng
> the open format under the cover of anonymity until they ARE stopped, beca=
use
> that is the *modus operandi* in Wikipedia. Even so, I do pay attention,
> especially to you.
>
> Cheers,
> Richard (Poeticbent) Tylman
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:57:43 -0700
> From: basiaipiotr@yahoo.com
> To: folks@wikipedometer.net
> Subject: Re: [WPM] P.S. on Bandurist
>
>   Oh come on, I called him a pain in the ass, just like I am pain in the
> ass for some editors as well. In a perfect world, we all would always agr=
ee
> with each other, but fortunately, the world is not perfect, and we are pa=
in
> in the ass for somebody else.  Do not take it too seriously.
>
> Tymek
>
> --- On *Sun, 8/23/09, Ostap R <ostap30@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Ostap R <ostap30@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] P.S. on Bandurist
> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 12:44 AM
>
> Bandurist is also an opinionated user, but he is able to compromise and
> work collaboratively.
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:50 PM, piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com<htt=
p://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dbasiaipiotr@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>   OK you guys, I think it is time to stop this nonsense.
>
> Poeticbent, you have a very strong opinion on Volhynian Genocide, and I
> share it with you. However, some of your remarks to Faustian were very ru=
de,
> especially when we talk about a user who can be regarded as unbiased here=
.
>
> Ostap, who otherwise is very friendly towards Poles and Poland, got pisse=
d
> off at some point, and supported your ban. He then changed his stance, an=
d
> this should be appreciated.
>
> Now you two, stop acting like kids. Come visit me in Chicago, we will hav=
e
> some vodka (Nemiroff honey-pepper, I have been wanting to taste it for a
> while), and you will forget about this stupid argument, which is turning
> personal. I myself have had my share of arguments here, with Hillock and
> Molobo, and I am pretty sure there are more in front of me, but I try not=
 to
> take it to personal level (and I hope Hillock and Molobo do not dislike m=
e).
> The world is beautiful because we have different opinions, the Commies tr=
ied
> to change it, fortunately they failed.
>
> Bandurist can be a pain in the ass, but when I recall those bitches Mordo=
or
> or Boodlesthecat, he looks like an angel to me.
>
> Tymek
>
>
>
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<span class=3D"ik">To Richard Tylman,<br><br>Although Bandurist has strong =
Ukrainian nationalistic views, I would advise against opening an RfC case a=
bout him, if that is what you mean.=A0 He was good in keeping certain Sovie=
t trolls at bay, and this seems to be an unnecessary  confrontation.<br>
<br>Andrei<br></span>=A0<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 23, =
2009 at 11:51 AM, Richard Tylman <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:po=
eticbent@hotmail.com">poeticbent@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, =
204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">




<div>
I looked into it and I think I would be able to compile a pretty strong cas=
e against Bandurist and his battleground creation including wheel warring a=
nd political provocations right across the board (not just about Poland), b=
eginning with threats on his user page, removal of well referenced book inf=
o, angry lies in his re-writes, BLP violations and so on, however, I=92m al=
so prone to listening to what others say around here, that=92s why, I decid=
ed to put my report on hold and see what happens next and how you guys resp=
ond to my idea. <br>

=A0<br>
Please do not misunderstand my intentions though. The fact that I=92m passi=
onate about writing does not mean that I have strong opinions about any par=
ticular subject. I=92m passionate about everything I choose to write about,=
 that=92s why over 30 of my new articles were selected as leading DYKs. =96=
 That is no accident. <br>

=A0<br>
I doubled the size of the article about the Holocaust in Poland bringing re=
al knowledge into it with due weight and historical balance, as soon as Boo=
dlesthecat and Moordoor went away and stopped stabbing me in the back. I wo=
uld do the same for Volhynia as soon as Bandurist, Faustian and Lvivske wer=
e dealt with properly, because none of them is objective or willing to comp=
romise. I responded to them =96 in talk =96 the same way most grownups resp=
ond to=A0nasty boys who play dumb. =96 Some users will never stop abusing t=
he open format under the cover of anonymity until they ARE stopped, because=
 that is the <i>modus operandi</i> in Wikipedia. Even so, I do pay attentio=
n, especially=A0to=A0you. <br>

=A0<br>
Cheers, <br>Richard (Poeticbent) Tylman<br>
<br>=A0<br>
<hr>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:57:43 -0700<br>From: <a href=3D"mailto:basiaipiot=
r@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">basiaipiotr@yahoo.com</a><br>To: <a href=3D"=
mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net" target=3D"_blank">folks@wikipedometer.net</=
a><br>
Subject: Re: [WPM] P.S. on Bandurist<br><br>
<table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td valign=3D"top">
<div>Oh come on, I called him a pain in the ass, just like I am pain in the=
 ass for some editors as well. In a perfect world, we all would always agre=
e with each other, but fortunately, the world is not=A0perfect,=A0and we ar=
e pain in the ass for somebody else.=A0 Do not take it too seriously. </div=
>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Tymek<br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 8/23/09, Ostap R <i>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
ostap30@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ostap30@gmail.com</a>&gt;</i></b> wrot=
e:<br></div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left:=
 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><br>From: Ostap R &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ostap30@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">ostap30@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [WPM] =
P.S. on Bandurist<br>
To: &quot;Wikipedia statistics&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedome=
ter.net" target=3D"_blank">folks@wikipedometer.net</a>&gt;<br>Date: Sunday,=
 August 23, 2009, 12:44 AM<br><br>
<div>Bandurist is also an opinionated user, but he is able to compromise an=
d work collaboratively.<br><br>
<div>On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:50 PM, piotr micula <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dbasiaipiotr@yahoo.=
com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">basiaipiotr@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br>

<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-lef=
t: 1ex;">
<table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0">
<tbody>
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<td style=3D"font-family: inherit;" valign=3D"top">
<div>OK you guys, I think it is time to stop this nonsense.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Poeticbent, you have a very strong opinion on Volhynian Genocide, and =
I share it with you. However, some of your remarks to Faustian were very ru=
de, especially when we talk about a user who can be regarded as unbiased he=
re. </div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Ostap, who otherwise is very friendly towards Poles and Poland, got pi=
ssed off at some point, and supported your ban. He then changed his stance,=
 and this should be appreciated.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Now you two, stop acting like kids. Come visit me in Chicago, we will =
have some vodka (Nemiroff honey-pepper, I have been wanting to taste it for=
 a while), and you will forget about this stupid argument, which is turning=
 personal. I myself have had my share of arguments here, with Hillock and M=
olobo, and I am pretty sure there are more in front of me, but I try not to=
 take it to personal level (and I hope Hillock and Molobo do not dislike me=
). The world is beautiful because we have different opinions, the Commies t=
ried to change it, fortunately they failed. </div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Bandurist can be a pain in the ass, but when I recall those bitches Mo=
rdoor or Boodlesthecat, he looks like an angel to me. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
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