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Oberlander already has an article. Do you mean the Scheider commission
article?

Radek

2009/8/4 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>

> I have this article on things that will need changing. It was once more
> neutral but Skapperod throughoutly manipulated into a propaganda piece to
> present his POV-starting with the lead(*centuries of peacefull German
> settlement*-give me a break). Just like expulsions article this needs to
> be re-written completely with several new sources. I do have a plan how to
> do rhat-focus on history first, mention Polish administrative units those
> territories belonged to before falling to Germany(right now they are only
> mentioned in the context of where they were in Prussia or Germany). All the
> POV critical statements moved to Criticism section. Also some sources are
> not reliable enough that Skapperod used.
> Btw this map from 1917 drives Skapperod and Germans nuts:
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Poland_1138_map.jpg
> It was once in the article but they removed it and tried to erase from
> anywhere where possible.
> NOTE-this article does constitute a core of Skapperod's propaganda efforts.
> He will do *anything* to keep it this way and to deny Polish history of
> the region, existance of Polish population or present it as propaganda
> There basically a series of articles that are vital to him:
> Expulsion of Germans
> Oder-Neisse Line
> Pomerania and related articles
> Recovered Territories.
>
> All work on those articles requires a significant amount of time and
> effort-all of them have been changed into propaganda pieces by Skapperod to
> present a very German POV that tries to erase Polish history, present
> Germans as victims and Poles as criminal nation.
>
> I suggest we concentrate on one subject at the time in order not to waste
> our efforts. I will complete the Oberlander article soon, and I think there
> is no need to wait to publish it. What do you think ?
>
>
> 2009/8/4 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>:
> > On other issues:
> >
> > 1. The exchange at Russian Influence Operations in Estonia is getting ...
> > interesting. Keep Russavia talking. He's the sort that likes to score
> > own-goals.
> > 2. Skapperod is now going after [[Recovered territories]] and he's got an
> > annoying source (apparently Western academic, sympathetic to Germany)
> which
> > he's milking for all its worth. I've done some minor holding back but
> some
> > help would be helpful, particularly with sources - Molobo? Skap seems to
> > have given up on the casualties section in Expulsions for now though I
> still
> > want to clarify that business about Gotthold Rhode in Haar's book since
> this
> > one looks like a total misrepresentation of the source by Skap.
> >
> > Radek
> >
> >
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Oberlander already has an article. Do you mean the Scheider commission arti=
cle?<br><br>Radek<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/8/4 Molobo Molobo =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I have this artic=
le on things that will need changing. It was once more neutral but Skappero=
d throughoutly manipulated into a propaganda piece to present his POV-start=
ing with the lead(<i>centuries of peacefull German settlement</i>-give me a=
 break). Just like expulsions article this needs to be re-written completel=
y with several new sources. I do have a plan how to do rhat-focus on histor=
y first, mention Polish administrative units those territories belonged to =
before falling to Germany(right now they are only mentioned in the context =
of where they were in Prussia or Germany). All the POV critical statements =
moved to Criticism section. Also some sources are not reliable enough that =
Skapperod used.<br>

Btw this map from 1917 drives Skapperod and Germans nuts:<br><a href=3D"htt=
p://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Poland_1138_map.jpg" target=3D"_blank">=
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Poland_1138_map.jpg</a><br>It was on=
ce in the article but they removed it and tried to erase from anywhere wher=
e possible.<br>

NOTE-this article does constitute a core of Skapperod&#39;s propaganda effo=
rts. He will do <b>anything</b> to keep it this way and to deny Polish hist=
ory of the region, existance of Polish population or present it as propagan=
da<br>

There basically a series of articles that are vital to him:<br>Expulsion of=
 Germans<br>Oder-Neisse Line<br>Pomerania and related articles<br>Recovered=
 Territories.<br><br>All work on those articles requires a significant amou=
nt of time and effort-all of them have been changed into propaganda pieces =
by Skapperod to present a very German POV that tries to erase Polish histor=
y, present Germans as victims and Poles as criminal nation.<br>

<br>I suggest we concentrate on one subject at the time in order not to was=
te our efforts. I will complete the Oberlander article soon, and I think th=
ere is no need to wait to publish it. What do you think ?<br><br><br>2009/8=
/4 radek szulga &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>rsszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>

&gt; On other issues:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 1. The exchange at Russian Influence =
Operations in Estonia is getting ...<br>&gt; interesting. Keep Russavia tal=
king. He&#39;s the sort that likes to score<br>&gt; own-goals.<br>&gt; 2. S=
kapperod is now going after [[Recovered territories]] and he&#39;s got an<b=
r>

&gt; annoying source (apparently Western academic, sympathetic to Germany) =
which<br>&gt; he&#39;s milking for all its worth. I&#39;ve done some minor =
holding back but some<br>&gt; help would be helpful, particularly with sour=
ces - Molobo? Skap seems to<br>

&gt; have given up on the casualties section in Expulsions for now though I=
 still<br>&gt; want to clarify that business about Gotthold Rhode in Haar&#=
39;s book since this<br>&gt; one looks like a total misrepresentation of th=
e source by Skap.<br>

&gt;<br>&gt; Radek<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; ________________________________=
_______________<br>&gt; Wikipedia statistics discussion list<br>&gt; <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net" target=3D"_blank">folks@wikipedometer.=
net</a><br>
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