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	Content preview:  "If you want to write about atrocities commited by Armia
	Krajowa, go ahead and do it. Good luck with finding them, as it will not
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"If you want to write about atrocities commited by Armia Krajowa, go ahead
and do it. Good luck with finding them, as it will not be easy."

Actually it will be quite easy-Polish wikipedia has a useful
template-atrocities comitted against Ukrainians in Poland, where the
atrocities made by AK are also mentioned I believe.

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szablon:Zbrodnie_na_ludno%C5%9Bci_ukrai%C5%84skiej_w_Polsce


*With many Ukrainians like you, the problem is that there are thousands of
statements of witnesses, there are burned villages in Volhynia that are now
a wasteland, there are human bones unburied in the fields until today, there
are people who remember and who saw what happened, and yet you pretend like
nothing happened.*


"With many Poles like you, the problem is that there are thousands of
statements of witnesses, there are burned villages in Silesia that are now a
wasteland, there are human bones unburied in the fields until today, there
are people who remember and who saw what happened, and yet you pretend like
nothing happened."

Sigh... the same narrow take on history I am afraid as of German expelles,
and I really don't understand the attachment to Volhyn where Poles were at
most 16% of population, not to mention many of them were colonists. The
Polish "Kresy" were a Polish colony, that was ruled in qute ruthless way in
regards to Ukrainians. You reap what you sow.


2009/9/15 piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>

> If you want to write about atrocities commited by Armia Krajowa, go ahead
> and do it. Good luck with finding them, as it will not be easy.
>
> The thing is that most Poles do not have a problem with admitting that we
> were not ideal, and we sinned. With many Ukrainians like you, the problem is
> that there are thousands of statements of witnesses, there are burned
> villages in Volhynia that are now a wasteland, there are human bones
> unburied in the fields until today, there are people who remember and who
> saw what happened, and yet you pretend like nothing happened.
>
> I do not see anything disgusting in the template which describes real and
> barbaric atrocities commited by the UIA and SS Galizien. To understand and
> cooperate, we have to admit to what happened. And when I see suggestions
> that it all is the fault of the Poles, because a Ukrainian store was robbed
> in Warsaw some time in 1936, I do not see grounds for cooperation here.
>
> Tymek
>
> --- On *Tue, 9/15/09, O. G. <hillock@yahoo.ca>* wrote:
>
>
> From: O. G. <hillock@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] Well.. whatever is your opinion about him I think he is
> an asshole and I complained about him
> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 12:49 AM
>
>
> No fucking way! I just "familiarized myself" with this article and am very
> tempted to write a series of articles on crimes committed by Armia Krayova
> against Ukrainians. Does anyone seriously think this article and this
> outrages and extremely disgusting template
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Massacres_of_Poles is going to lead
> to any kind of understanding and cooperation? What keeps me from joining
> Bandurist is the fact that I am part of this cabal and I support him
> wholeheartedly.
>
> --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Jack <jacurek@yahoo.com<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jacurek@yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Jack <jacurek@yahoo.com<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jacurek@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [WPM] Well.. whatever is your opinion about him I think he
> is an asshole and I complained about him
> > To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=folks@wikipedometer.net>
> >
> > Received: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 3:07 AM
> > I told you guys that Bandurist
> > is very problematic. Could our Ukrainian friends here
> > intervene please. Thank you.
> > Jacek
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: piotr
> > micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>
> >
> > To: Wikipedia
> > statistics <folks@wikipedometer.net<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=folks@wikipedometer.net>
> >
> > Sent: Monday,
> > September 14, 2009 10:01:51 AM
> > Subject: Re:
> > [WPM] Well.. whatever is your opinion about him I think he
> > is an asshole and I complained about him
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Now there is a problem with the Pidkamin massacre
> > article. Basically, there is one Jim Sweeney, backed by
> > Bandurist, who seems to demand references for each word
> > there. It goes way too far now.
> >
> > Tymek
> >
> > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Jack
> > <jacurek@yahoo.com<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jacurek@yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Jack <jacurek@yahoo.com<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jacurek@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [WPM] Well.. whatever is your opinion about
> > him I think he is an asshole and I complained about him
> > To: "Wikipedia statistics"
> > <folks@wikipedometer.net<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=folks@wikipedometer.net>
> >
> > Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:48 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ofcourse it would work if he only talked to me instead
> > of deleting my comments from his talk page and replacing it
> > ith a smile face.
> > He is an ass. This is what I think abut him at the
> > moment. Sorry.
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Andrei
> > Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wikibiophys@gmail.com>
> >
> > To: Wikipedia
> > statistics <folks@wikipedometer.net<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=folks@wikipedometer.net>
> >
> > Sent: Friday,
> > September 11, 2009 8:57:56 PM
> > Subject: Re:
> > [WPM] Well.. whatever is your opinion about him I think he
> > is an asshole and I complained about him
> >
> > Jack,
> >
> > I am not familiar with the article, but just looking at
> > your diffs... You both should  agree to tell somewhere
> > in the beginning of the article that the village/city was
> > Polish before the war (use Polish name and Polish
> > voevodstvo), then it was occupied by Nazi - (use German name
> > - that is when the atrocities had happened), but currently
> > it became Ukrainian (use Ukrainian name).   Would
> > it work? And let's blame Nazi - no matter if the Nazi
> > where German or
> >  Ukrainian.
> >
> > Andrei
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:05 PM,
> > Jack <jacurek@yahoo.com<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jacurek@yahoo.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#Issue_with_user_Bandurist
> .
> >
> >
> >
> >
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&quot;If you want to write about atrocities commited by Armia Krajowa, go
ahead and do it. Good luck with finding them, as it will not be easy.&quot;=
<br><br>Actually it will be quite easy-Polish wikipedia has a useful templa=
te-atrocities comitted against Ukrainians in Poland, where the atrocities m=
ade by AK are also mentioned I believe.<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szablon:Zbrodnie_na_ludno%C5%9B=
ci_ukrai%C5%84skiej_w_Polsce">http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szablon:Zbrodnie=
_na_ludno%C5%9Bci_ukrai%C5%84skiej_w_Polsce</a><br><br><br><i>With many Ukr=
ainians like you, the problem is that there are thousands
of statements of witnesses, there are burned villages in Volhynia that
are now a wasteland, there are human bones unburied in the fields until
today, there are people who remember and who saw what happened, and yet
you pretend like nothing happened.</i><br><br><br>&quot;With many Poles lik=
e you, the problem is that there are thousands
of statements of witnesses, there are burned villages in Silesia that
are now a wasteland, there are human bones unburied in the fields until
today, there are people who remember and who saw what happened, and yet
you pretend like nothing happened.&quot;<br><br>Sigh... the same narrow tak=
e on history I am afraid as of German expelles, and I really don&#39;t unde=
rstand the attachment to Volhyn where Poles were at most 16% of population,=
 not to mention many of them were colonists. The Polish &quot;Kresy&quot; w=
ere a Polish colony, that was ruled in qute ruthless way in regards to Ukra=
inians. You reap what you sow.<br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/15 piotr micula <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:basiaipiotr@yahoo.com">basiaipiotr@yahoo.com</a>&gt;=
</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px soli=
d rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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t: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;" valign=3D"top">
<div>If you want to write about atrocities commited by Armia Krajowa, go ah=
ead and do it. Good luck with finding them, as it will not be easy.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>The thing is that most Poles do not have a problem with admitting that=
 we were not ideal, and we sinned. With many Ukrainians like you, the probl=
em is that there are thousands of statements of witnesses, there are burned=
 villages in Volhynia that are now a wasteland, there are human bones unbur=
ied in the fields until today, there are people who remember and who saw wh=
at happened, and yet you pretend like nothing happened.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>I do not see anything disgusting in the template which describes real =
and barbaric atrocities commited by the UIA and SS Galizien. To understand =
and cooperate, we have to admit to what happened. And when I see suggestion=
s that it all is the fault of the Poles, because a Ukrainian store was robb=
ed in Warsaw some time in 1936, I do not see grounds for cooperation here. =
</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Tymek<br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 9/15/09, O. G. <i>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hi=
llock@yahoo.ca" target=3D"_blank">hillock@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</i></b> wrote:<b=
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<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left:=
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o.ca" target=3D"_blank">hillock@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;<div class=3D"im"><br>Subje=
ct: Re: [WPM] Well.. whatever is your opinion about him I think he is an as=
shole and I complained about him<br>
To: &quot;Wikipedia statistics&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedome=
ter.net" target=3D"_blank">folks@wikipedometer.net</a>&gt;<br></div>Date: T=
uesday, September 15, 2009, 12:49 AM<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><=
br>

<div>No fucking way! I just &quot;familiarized myself&quot; with this artic=
le and am very tempted to write a series of articles on crimes committed by=
 Armia Krayova against Ukrainians. Does anyone seriously think this article=
 and this outrages and extremely disgusting template <a href=3D"http://en.w=
ikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Massacres_of_Poles" target=3D"_blank">http://en.=
wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Massacres_of_Poles</a> is going to lead to any =
kind of understanding and cooperation? What keeps me from joining Bandurist=
 is the fact that I am part of this cabal and I support him wholeheartedly.=
<br>
<br>--- On Tue, 9/15/09, Jack &lt;<a href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com=
/mc/compose?to=3Djacurek@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">jacurek@yahoo.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br><br>&gt; From: Jack &lt;<a href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yaho=
o.com/mc/compose?to=3Djacurek@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">jacurek@yahoo.co=
m</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [WPM]
 Well.. whatever is your opinion about him I think he is an asshole and I c=
omplained about him<br>&gt; To: &quot;Wikipedia statistics&quot; &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dfolks@wikipedometer.net=
" target=3D"_blank">folks@wikipedometer.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Received: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 3:07 AM<br>&gt; I told you guys=
 that Bandurist<br>&gt; is very problematic. Could our Ukrainian friends he=
re<br>&gt; intervene please. Thank you.<br>&gt; Jacek<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; From: piotr<br>&gt; micula &lt;<a href=3D"h=
ttp://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dbasiaipiotr@yahoo.com" target=
=3D"_blank">basiaipiotr@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt; To: Wikipedia<br>&gt; sta=
tistics &lt;<a href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dfolks=
@wikipedometer.net" target=3D"_blank">folks@wikipedometer.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Sent: Monday,<br>&gt; September 14, 2009
 10:01:51 AM<br>&gt; Subject: Re:<br>&gt; [WPM] Well.. whatever is your opi=
nion about him I think he<br>&gt; is an asshole and I complained about him<=
br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Now there is =
a problem with the Pidkamin massacre<br>
&gt; article. Basically, there is one Jim Sweeney, backed by<br>&gt; Bandur=
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way too far now.<br>&gt; =A0<br>&gt; Tymek=A0<br>&gt; <br>&gt; --- On Fri, =
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yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">jacurek@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&=
gt; <br>&gt; From: Jack &lt;<a href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/co=
mpose?to=3Djacurek@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">jacurek@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<b=
r>
&gt; Subject: Re: [WPM] Well.. whatever is your opinion about<br>&gt; him I=
 think he is an asshole and I complained about
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tp://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dfolks@wikipedometer.net" targe=
t=3D"_blank">folks@wikipedometer.net</a>&gt;<br>&gt; Date: Friday, Septembe=
r 11, 2009, 11:48 PM<br>
&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Ofcourse it woul=
d work if he only talked to me instead<br>&gt; of deleting my comments from=
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ass. This is what I think abut him at the<br>
&gt; moment. Sorry.<br>&gt; Jack<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt=
; From: Andrei<br>&gt; Dombay &lt;<a href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com=
/mc/compose?to=3Dwikibiophys@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">wikibiophys@gmail=
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ahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dfolks@wikipedometer.net" target=3D"_blank">folks@w=
ikipedometer.net</a>&gt;<br>&gt; Sent: Friday,<br>&gt; September 11, 2009 8=
:57:56 PM<br>
&gt; Subject: Re:<br>&gt; [WPM] Well.. whatever is your opinion about him I=
 think he<br>&gt; is an asshole and I complained about him<br>&gt; <br>&gt;=
 Jack,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I am not familiar with the article, but just lookin=
g at<br>
&gt; your diffs... You both should=A0 agree to tell somewhere<br>&gt; in th=
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the war (use Polish name and Polish<br>&gt; voevodstvo), then it was occupi=
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&#39;s blame Nazi - no matter if the Nazi<br>&gt; where German or<br>&gt;=
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