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	<rsszulga@gmail.com> napisał: > As I don't speak German that doesn't
	help me in writing the article. You > want to write it and post it here
	for a repost to Wiki? Note also that an > English language link to the
	expellee thing will make passing DYK > verification smoother. > > Radek
	> > > 2009/7/10 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> >> >>
	http://media.de.indymedia.org/media/2008/06/219526.pdf >> >> Scan from
	Frankfurter Rundschau from 21st of May 1975 about Fritz Ries >>
	operations during the war, including Auschwitz. >> >> W dniu 10 lipca
	2009 19:01 użytkownik radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> >> napisał: >> >
	Hey Molobo, >> > >> > Are there any other internet accessible sources on
	Fritz Reis, other >> > than >> > the LA times article you linked
	earlier? Particularly something which >> > talks >> > about his
	"expellee" status (that would make a great DYK hook)? >> > >> > Radek >>
	> >> > >> > 2009/7/10 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> Hi
	Radek, the numbers are in Polish Areas Annexed by Nazi Germany >> >>
	article. 600-1.000.000 settlers and 400.000 administration and >> >>
	occupational staff. >> >> >> >> W dniu 10 lipca 2009 01:45 użytkownik
	radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> >> >> napisał: >> >> > Is there an
	English or Polish source for the 900-1.1mill number? My >> >> > German
	>> >> > sucks. >> >> > Also, it might be a good way of "taking the fight
	to the enemy" to >> >> > write >> >> > up >> >> > Fritz Ries on English
	wiki. Along the same - but completely different >> >> > - >> >> > lines
	I've been planning on doing Conrad Letzkau for awhile. >> >> > >> >> >
	Radek >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > 2009/7/9 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
	>> >> >> >> >> >> I see an increased activity of some our members there.
	>> >> >> While I personally believe it is not worth much effort until
	the >> >> >> whole >> >> >> propaganda piece gets re-written here is a
	couple of points: >> >> >> 1-The sources confirming "expulsions" as
	reaction to German >> >> >> atrocities >> [...] 
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	board. W dniu 10 lipca 2009 19:39 użytkownik radek szulga
	<rsszulga@gmail.com> napisał: > As I don't speak German that doesn't
	help me in writing the article. You > want to write it and post it here
	for a repost to Wiki? Note also that an > English language link to the
	expellee thing will make passing DYK > verification smoother. > > Radek
	> > > 2009/7/10 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> >> >>
	http://media.de.indymedia.org/media/2008/06/219526.pdf >> >> Scan from
	Frankfurter Rundschau from 21st of May 1975 about Fritz Ries >>
	operations during the war, including Auschwitz. >> >> W dniu 10 lipca
	2009 19:01 użytkownik radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> >> napisał: >> >
	Hey Molobo, >> > >> > Are there any other internet accessible sources on
	Fritz Reis, other >> > than >> > the LA times article you linked
	earlier? Particularly something which >> > talks >> > about his
	"expellee" status (that would make a great DYK hook)? >> > >> > Radek >>
	> >> > >> > 2009/7/10 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> Hi
	Radek, the numbers are in Polish Areas Annexed by Nazi Germany >> >>
	article. 600-1.000.000 settlers and 400.000 administration and >> >>
	occupational staff. >> >> >> >> W dniu 10 lipca 2009 01:45 użytkownik
	radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> >> >> napisał: >> >> > Is there an
	English or Polish source for the 900-1.1mill number? My >> >> > German
	>> >> > sucks. >> >> > Also, it might be a good way of "taking the fight
	to the enemy" to >> >> > write >> >> > up >> >> > Fritz Ries on English
	wiki. Along the same - but completely different >> >> > - >> >> > lines
	I've been planning on doing Conrad Letzkau for awhile. >> >> > >> >> >
	Radek >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > 2009/7/9 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
	>> >> >> >> >> >> I see an increased activity of some our members there.
	>> >> >> While I personally believe it is not worth much effort until
	the >> >> >> whole >> >> >> propaganda piece gets re-written here is a
	couple of points: >> >> >> 1-The sources confirming "expulsions" as
	reaction to German >> >> >> atrocities >> [...] 
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W dniu 10 lipca 2009 19:39 u=BFytkownik radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> n=
apisa=B3:
> As I don't speak German that doesn't help me in writing the article. You
> want to write it and post it here for a repost to Wiki? Note also that an
> English language link to the expellee thing will make passing DYK
> verification smoother.
>
> Radek
>
>
> 2009/7/10 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
>>
>> http://media.de.indymedia.org/media/2008/06/219526.pdf
>>
>> Scan from Frankfurter Rundschau from 21st of May 1975 about Fritz Ries
>> operations during the war, including Auschwitz.
>>
>> W dniu 10 lipca 2009 19:01 u=BFytkownik radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
>> napisa=B3:
>> > Hey Molobo,
>> >
>> > Are there any other internet accessible sources on Fritz Reis, other
>> > than
>> > the LA times article you linked earlier? Particularly something which
>> > talks
>> > about his "expellee" status (that would make a great DYK hook)?
>> >
>> > Radek
>> >
>> >
>> > 2009/7/10 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Radek, the numbers are =A0in Polish Areas Annexed by Nazi Germany
>> >> article. 600-1.000.000 settlers and 400.000 administration and
>> >> occupational staff.
>> >>
>> >> W dniu 10 lipca 2009 01:45 u=BFytkownik radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.=
com>
>> >> napisa=B3:
>> >> > Is there an English or Polish source for the 900-1.1mill number? My
>> >> > German
>> >> > sucks.
>> >> > Also, it might be a good way of "taking the fight to the enemy" to
>> >> > write
>> >> > up
>> >> > Fritz Ries on English wiki. Along the same - but completely differe=
nt
>> >> > -
>> >> > lines I've been planning on doing Conrad Letzkau for awhile.
>> >> >
>> >> > Radek
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 2009/7/9 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I see an =A0increased activity of some our members there.
>> >> >> While I personally believe it is not worth much effort until the
>> >> >> whole
>> >> >> propaganda piece gets re-written here is a couple of points:
>> >> >> 1-The sources confirming "expulsions" as reaction to German
>> >> >> atrocities
>> >> >> is already in the text, Skapperod however manipulated the wording =
so
>> >> >> it is not really visible. The text comes from doctor Wardzynska and
>> >> >> tells of reaction to German minorities atrocities and cooperation
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> Nazis in Poland.
>> >> >> http://www.ipn.gov.pl/wai.php?serwis=3Dpl&dzial=3D82&id=3D1308&poz=
=3D2
>> >> >> "Polscy historycy akcentowali, =BFe wprost przeciwnie, w Polsce nie
>> >> >> by=B3o
>> >> >> si=B3y politycznej, kt=F3ra wyra=BFa=B3aby zgod=EA na pozostawieni=
e Niemc=F3w w
>> >> >> granicach pa=F1stwa polskiego, a ugrupowania polityczne, kt=F3re r=
=F3=BFni=B3y
>> >> >> si=EA w wielu sprawach, w kwestii wysiedlenia ludno=B6ci niemiecki=
ej
>> >> >> przejawia=B3y jednomy=B6lno=B6=E6. Delegatura Rz=B1du RP na Kraj, =
ju=BF w ko=F1cu
>> >> >> 1941r., w swoich uwagach dotycz=B1cych przysz=B3ego traktatu pokoj=
owego
>> >> >> sugerowa=B3a, aby zastosowa=E6 rozwi=B1zanie odmienne od zastosowa=
nego po
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> wojnie =B6wiatowej i domaga=B3a si=EA dokonania wysiedle=F1. By=B3=
o to r=F3wnie=BF
>> >> >> stanowisko Stanis=B3awa Miko=B3ajczyka, premiera Rz=B1du Polskiego=
 na
>> >> >> Wychod=BCstwie i wicepremiera Rz=B1du Jedno=B6ci Narodowej.
>> >> >> Za takim rozwi=B1zaniem przemawia=B3y zar=F3wno wzgl=EAdy racjonal=
ne, jak i
>> >> >> emocjonalne.
>> >> >> W=B6r=F3d racjonalnych nale=BFy wymieni=E6 przede wszystkim do=B6w=
iadczenia
>> >> >> Polak=F3w wyniesione z okresu mi=EAdzywojennego i pierwszych miesi=
=EAcy
>> >> >> okupacji z p=F3=B3nocnych i zachodnich ziem Polski, zaanektowanych
>> >> >> nast=EApnie przez III Rzesz=EA. Przypomnijmy, =BFe niemieccy dzia=
=B3acze
>> >> >> polityczni, przede wszystkim z Deutscher Volksverband i z
>> >> >> Jungdeutscher Partei, przeszkadzali w asymilacji Niemc=F3w z ludno=
=B6ci=B1
>> >> >> polsk=B1. Pi=EAtnowano m=F3wienie po polsku oraz =B3=B1czno=B6=E6 =
z kultur=B1
>> >> >> polsk=B1.
>> >> >> Bojkotowano obchody polskich =B6wi=B1t narodowych, a ludno=B6=E6 n=
iemieck=B1,
>> >> >> kt=F3ra nie przestrzega=B3a narzuconych zasad, uwa=BFano za zdrajc=
=F3w i
>> >> >> renegat=F3w niemczyzny. Wysy=B3ano skargi do Ligi Narod=F3w o rzek=
omo
>> >> >> trudnym po=B3o=BFeniu mniejszo=B6ci niemieckiej, a od pa=BCdzierni=
ka 1938r
>> >> >> r=F3=BFne Stutzpunkty NSDAP prowadzi=B3y wr=EAcz dzia=B3alno=B6=E6
>> >> >> irredentystyczn=B1.
>> >> >> Do sta=B3ego repertuaru tej organizacji nale=BFa=B3o rozpowszechni=
anie
>> >> >> propagandowych film=F3w i broszur o antypolskiej wymowie.
>> >> >> Utworzona nast=EApnie, na polecenie Reichsfuhrera SS H. Himmlera z
>> >> >> mniejszo=B6ci niemieckiej, terrorystyczna organizacja Selbstschutz,
>> >> >> wsp=F3=B3dzia=B3a=B3a w masowych egzekucjach przeprowadzanych w ra=
mach
>> >> >> "Intelligenzaktion" przez operacyjne grupy policji bezpiecze=F1stw=
a,
>> >> >> donosz=B1c, wskazuj=B1c i internuj=B1c miejscowych Polak=F3w. Ci, =
kt=F3rym
>> >> >> uda=B3o
>> >> >> si=EA prze=BFy=E6 internowanie i obozy, tak opisuj=B1 aktywno=B6=
=E6
>> >> >> Selbstschutzu:
>> >> >> "Z=B3o=BFy=B3 na mnie doniesienie niejaki "X", Niemiec, kt=F3remu =
zwr=F3ci=B3em
>> >> >> uwag=EA jeszcze przed wojn=B1, =BFe u=BFywa s=B3=F3w niemieckich".=
 "Zosta=B3em na
>> >> >> ulicy zaaresztowany przez "X", siodlarza z Dzia=B3dowa, z kt=F3rym
>> >> >> znali=B6my si=EA przed wojn=B1. Nosi=B3 karabin i mia=B3 na r=EAka=
wie opask=EA.
>> >> >> Zarzuca=B3 mi rozbijanie zwi=B1zk=F3w niemieckich przed wojn=B1.
>> >> >> Internowania obj=EA=B3y setki os=F3b. =A3apano ludzi na ulicach, w=
yci=B1gano z
>> >> >> dom=F3w. Rodziny internowanych wysiedlono.
>> >> >> Oblicza si=EA, =BFe w ramach "Akcji inteligencja" zamordowano na
>> >> >> terenach
>> >> >> polskich przy=B3=B1czonych do Rzeszy ponad 40 tys. Polak=F3w, a po=
nad 20
>> >> >> tys. zes=B3ano do oboz=F3w koncentracyjnych. Prze=BFy=B3o zaledwie=
 kilka
>> >> >> procent z nich. Osoby te zosta=B3y przewa=BFnie wskazane przez
>> >> >> miejscowych
>> >> >> Niemc=F3w, jako wrogo nastawione do Rzeszy.
>> >> >> Wysiedlenie Niemc=F3w po wojnie wyklucza=B3o powt=F3rzenie si=EA p=
odobnej
>> >> >> sytuacji w przysz=B3o=B6ci.
>> >> >> Do wzgl=EAd=F3w emocjonalnych nale=BFa=B3 fakt, =BFe nie by=B3o w =
Polsce
>> >> >> rodziny,
>> >> >> kt=F3ra nie ponios=B3aby w wyniku okupacji niemieckiej, strat
>> >> >> biologicznych i materialnych. Rozdzielenie zwa=B6nionych narodowo=
=B6ci
>> >> >> po
>> >> >> takich do=B6wiadczeniach wydawa=B3o si=EA sensownym rozwi=B1zaniem=
."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2-One point which is not adressed that among the "expelled" from
>> >> >> Poland they are over 900,000-1.100.000 Germans who were settled
>> >> >> after
>> >> >> 1939.
>> >> >> See Fritz Ries( a administrator sent to Poland after 1939 to overs=
ee
>> >> >> slaves and who is counted as "expelled", after 1945 influential
>> >> >> politician in West Germany):
>> >> >> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Ries
>> >> >> http://wissen.spiegel.de/wissen/dokument/dokument.html?id=3D412799=
39
>> >> >> http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jun/25/opinion/op-44604?pg=3D1
>> >> >>
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