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On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 00:10, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, sure, please speak freely about everything. It is also fine to think
> that I am slightly paranoid (and perhaps I am).


They say that paranoia is the occupation hazard for computer geeks :-)

I trust we all have heard of ECHELON.  Considering the distances our letter=
s
travel in plaintext, throughout the world, it seems reasonable to assess
that ECHELON, or a similar system, could allow a foreign government readily
to capture our letters while in transit.

I do not think Russia has the technical capacity to work out its own
analogue, although its SIGINT capture capability has significantly improved
since 1990.  (For just one example, Russia now employs satellite
communications eavesdropping stations.)  However, with some paranoia, it
would be possible to postulate that the Chinese cybermilitary might have
compromised ECHELON control network, thereby acquiring access to a massive
amount of network traffic, and might after some sifting pass some of this
captured traffic on to Russian three-letter organisations.

None of this would, at the current evidence levels, pass Occam's, however.

"Public internet sites"  - I mean wikipedia.


I suspect that a lot of what Kremlin is doing in Russian Internet is not
tightly controlled by the top brass, but is instead run by a hierarchy of
semi-independent, structurally docile "volunteers".  Their motivation to
co=C3=B6perate would be psychological and social, but massive  surveillance=
 done
this way requires large numbers of people who submit to Russian authorities=
.
 In the Russian Wikipedia, the source of such people is obvious.  In
commentaria of various web news sources -- such as BBC --, it's reasonably
easy to see where these people come from.  But in English Wikipedia, there'=
s
by far not enough of such people.  There was but one Ghirlandajo.

Evidence?  Not much.  Just that a Russia's Internet operations are so
massive that it would require many thousands of people to administrate them
in a micromanaging way, and there does not seem to be evidence of an army o=
f
Internet micromanagement infrastructure in Russia.  However, this kind of
infrastructure could theoretically be "hidden" in a number of ways.

--=20
Andres Soolo

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 00:10, Andrei Dombay <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail.com">wikibiophys@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Yes, sure, please speak freely about everything. It is also fine to think t=
hat I am slightly paranoid (and perhaps I am).</blockquote><div><br></div><=
div>They say that paranoia is the occupation hazard for computer geeks :-)<=
/div>
<div><br></div><div>I trust we all have heard of ECHELON. =C2=A0Considering=
 the distances our letters travel in plaintext, throughout the world, it se=
ems reasonable to assess that ECHELON, or a similar system, could allow a f=
oreign government readily to capture our letters while in transit.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I do not think Russia has the technical capacity to wor=
k out its own analogue, although its SIGINT capture capability has signific=
antly improved since 1990. =C2=A0(For just one example, Russia now employs =
satellite communications eavesdropping stations.) =C2=A0However, with some =
paranoia, it would be possible to postulate that the Chinese cybermilitary =
might have compromised ECHELON control network, thereby acquiring access to=
 a massive amount of network traffic, and might after some sifting pass som=
e of this captured traffic on to Russian three-letter organisations.</div>
<div><br></div><div>None of this would, at the current evidence levels, pas=
s Occam&#39;s, however.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"=
>
&quot;Public internet sites&quot;=C2=A0 - I mean wikipedia.</blockquote><di=
v><br></div><div>I suspect that a lot of what Kremlin is doing in Russian I=
nternet is not tightly controlled by the top brass, but is instead run by a=
 hierarchy of semi-independent, structurally docile &quot;volunteers&quot;.=
 =C2=A0Their motivation to co=C3=B6perate would be psychological and social=
, but massive =C2=A0surveillance done this way requires large numbers of pe=
ople who submit to Russian authorities. =C2=A0In the Russian Wikipedia, the=
 source of such people is obvious. =C2=A0In commentaria of various web news=
 sources -- such as BBC --, it&#39;s reasonably easy to see where these peo=
ple come from. =C2=A0But in English Wikipedia, there&#39;s by far not enoug=
h of such people. =C2=A0There was but one Ghirlandajo.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Evidence? =C2=A0Not much. =C2=A0Just that a Russia&#39;=
s Internet operations are so massive that it would require many thousands o=
f people to administrate them in a micromanaging way, and there does not se=
em to be evidence of an army of Internet micromanagement infrastructure in =
Russia. =C2=A0However, this kind of infrastructure could theoretically be &=
quot;hidden&quot; in a number of ways.</div>
<div><br></div><div>--=C2=A0<br></div></div>Andres Soolo<br>

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