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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:29:45 -0400
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From: Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>
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So, can we use your tool to identify two users who NEVER edit at the same
time during months, because they have unoverlapped sequences of edits?
Having two edits made by two users at the same minute in two different
articles might disqualify such users as potential socks. That would help to
get some evidence in this style

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Giovanni33/=
Evidence#Evidence_presented_by_Merzbow




On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:35 AM, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing that this tool should be quite useful for though is to
> quickly catch socks of Jacob Peters. If you look at JP's pattern it's
> fairly peculiar - all edits are made between 16 to 5 with no edits in
> between. All of his socks from here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Jacob_Pete=
rs
> have the same pattern, including the one we caught recently, Kupredu.
> Basically, if you get that nagging suspicion that you're dealing with
> a JP sock this is probably a pretty good test.
>
> Radek
>
>
> 2009/6/11 Sander S=E4de <sander.sade@gmail.com>:
> > Normalization in this context is simply converting actual values to
> > percent-like numbers, so two users with different edit counts can be
> > represented in a graph, nothing more.
> >
> > The usability for detecting socks or locations is naturally limited -
> > however, changing one's normal editing times is much harder than changi=
ng
> > username - a major shift in lifestyle should be involved. This can be a=
n
> > additional data in sock detection - also, I suspect it is one of the
> tools
> > that checkusers have, along with simple whois+geodata and a tool to
> compare
> > articles edited - ie if suspected socks have edited the same articles.
> >
> > Sander
> >
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So, can we use your tool to identify two users who NEVER edit at the same
time during months, because they have unoverlapped sequences of edits? Havi=
ng two edits made by two users at the same minute in two different articles=
 might disqualify such users as potential socks. That would help to get som=
e evidence in this style<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitrat=
ion/Giovanni33/Evidence#Evidence_presented_by_Merzbow" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Giovanni33/Ev=
idence#Evidence_presented_by_Merzbow</a><br>
<br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:35 AM,=
 radek szulga <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com">r=
sszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=
.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
One thing that this tool should be quite useful for though is to<br>
quickly catch socks of Jacob Peters. If you look at JP&#39;s pattern it&#39=
;s<br>
fairly peculiar - all edits are made between 16 to 5 with no edits in<br>
between. All of his socks from here:<br>
<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_J=
acob_Peters" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipe=
dia_sockpuppets_of_Jacob_Peters</a><br>
have the same pattern, including the one we caught recently, Kupredu.<br>
Basically, if you get that nagging suspicion that you&#39;re dealing with<b=
r>
a JP sock this is probably a pretty good test.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
Radek<br>
<br>
<br>
2009/6/11 Sander S=E4de &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sander.sade@gmail.com">sander=
.sade@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">&gt; Normalization in this context =
is simply converting actual values to<br>
&gt; percent-like numbers, so two users with different edit counts can be<b=
r>
&gt; represented in a graph, nothing more.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The usability for detecting socks or locations is naturally limited -<=
br>
&gt; however, changing one&#39;s normal editing times is much harder than c=
hanging<br>
&gt; username - a major shift in lifestyle should be involved. This can be =
an<br>
&gt; additional data in sock detection - also, I suspect it is one of the t=
ools<br>
&gt; that checkusers have, along with simple whois+geodata and a tool to co=
mpare<br>
&gt; articles edited - ie if suspected socks have edited the same articles.=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Sander<br>
&gt;<br>
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