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Hillock, this thing is not obscure in Poland, and basically, you confirmed =
what I wrote. The difference is I put emphasis on the OUN as the main organ=
ized of the sabotage action, and this is confirmed by sources I used in the=
 article. Of course, Polish response was disproportionate, and several mode=
rate Ukrainians suffered. And this is what OUN had in mind.=20
=A0
And please do not exaggerate. The number of victims of the pacification was=
 not higher than 35, not a couple of hundred.
--- On Tue, 8/4/09, O. G. <hillock@yahoo.ca> wrote:


From: O. G. <hillock@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [WPM] Article about Pacification of Ukrainian villages in inte=
rwar Poland
To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 8:25 AM



Not quite. Acts of sabotage against Polish property was common since Ukrain=
ian defeat in 1919. It just never took large scale. OUN was only partially =
responsible for enticing peasants to acts of sabotage. There were other sma=
ll factions trying to show that their active in "revolutionary struggle", m=
ostly youth. It coincided as well with general economic crisis of 1929 and =
the political crisis in Poland at that time. So, some youth wings of severa=
l organizations believed this could be the start of new fight for freedom a=
nd encouraged acts of sabotage, which in many cases went on even without th=
eir enticement. The response from Polish authorities was disproportionate a=
nd indiscriminate. All inhabitants of villages were punished and their prop=
erty destroyed even those, who had nothing to do with it. In some cased vil=
lages were punished, where there was no acts of sabotage. While all this re=
sulted in a couple of hundred dead only, the deep seated feeling of
resentment against the Poles have become firmly entrenched among Western Uk=
rainians. In the final outcome OUN got what it wanted - popular support aga=
inst a hated enemy. That's where the seeds of the Volhynia tragedy and ever=
ything else are. This thing is well known in Ukraine now, I am a bit surpri=
sed it is still obscure in Poland.

--- On Tue, 8/4/09, piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] Article about Pacification of Ukrainian villages in in=
terwar Poland
> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Received: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 11:30 AM
> The unrest in Eastern Galicia was
> part of the permanent revolution tactics, adopted by the
> OUN. They went out of their way to incite hatred of Polish
> government=A0among Ukrainian peasants, therefore the
> sabotage operation of 1930, which spurred the pacification.
> OUN activists, and back then they were not numerous, would
> appear in Ukrainian-populated villages, where they would
> kill some police officers, cut telephone or telegraph lines,
> or burn some mail offices. Then they disappeared, waiting
> for reply of Polish police. The Poles went after peaceful
> villagers, punishing them for they had not commited, while
> OUN activists relished the moment. We have to note that had
> there not been acts of sabotage by the OUN, the pacification
> would have never taken place.
> =A0
> Tymek
> =A0
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> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, radek szulga
> <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] Article about Pacification of Ukrainian
> villages in interwar Poland
> To: "Wikipedia statistics"
> <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 5:57 PM
>=20
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> Like I said, I'm just
> translating the Polish article. Please expand and add.
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> Radek
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> 2009/8/3 O. G. <hillock@yahoo.ca>
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> I think it is very far from being ready for DYK. As of now
> it is one sided and biased, for example it states that
> Pacification was introduce to quell unrest, but that is not
> true. Villages in Galicia didn't not rebel, peasants
> were made to suffer for the massive acts of sabotage and
> arson attack perpetrated mostly by the OUN. It was a
> punitive action. The article needs a lot of work.
>=20
> --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
> wrote:
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> > From: Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
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> > Subject: Re: [WPM] Article about
> Pacification of Ukrainian villages in interwar Poland
> > To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> > Received: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:48 AM
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> > radek szulga wrote:
> > > I've expanded the stub a bit. I'm just
> translating
> > from Polish wiki so
> > > correct as needed.
> >
> > Nicely done guys, you saved me some work. Add some
> inline
> > citations and
> > we can DYK it.
> >
> > --
> > Piotr Konieczny
> >
> > "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just
> works in
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> > theory."
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Hillock, this thing is not obscure in Po=
land, and basically, you confirmed what I wrote. The difference is I put em=
phasis on the OUN as the main organized of the sabotage action, and this is=
 confirmed by sources I used in the article. Of course, Polish response was=
 disproportionate, and several moderate Ukrainians suffered. And this is wh=
at OUN had in mind. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>And please do not exaggerate. The number of victims of the pacificatio=
n was not higher than 35, not a couple of hundred.<BR>--- On <B>Tue, 8/4/09=
, O. G. <I>&lt;hillock@yahoo.ca&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: O. G. &lt;hillock@yahoo.ca&gt;<BR>Subject: =
Re: [WPM] Article about Pacification of Ukrainian villages in interwar Pola=
nd<BR>To: "Wikipedia statistics" &lt;folks@wikipedometer.net&gt;<BR>Date: T=
uesday, August 4, 2009, 8:25 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3DplainMail><BR>Not quite. Acts of sabotage against Polish prope=
rty was common since Ukrainian defeat in 1919. It just never took large sca=
le. OUN was only partially responsible for enticing peasants to acts of sab=
otage. There were other small factions trying to show that their active in =
"revolutionary struggle", mostly youth. It coincided as well with general e=
conomic crisis of 1929 and the political crisis in Poland at that time. So,=
 some youth wings of several organizations believed this could be the start=
 of new fight for freedom and encouraged acts of sabotage, which in many ca=
ses went on even without their enticement. The response from Polish authori=
ties was disproportionate and indiscriminate. All inhabitants of villages w=
ere punished and their property destroyed even those, who had nothing to do=
 with it. In some cased villages were punished, where there was no acts of =
sabotage. While all this resulted in a couple of hundred dead only,
 the deep seated feeling of<BR>resentment against the Poles have become fir=
mly entrenched among Western Ukrainians. In the final outcome OUN got what =
it wanted - popular support against a hated enemy. That's where the seeds o=
f the Volhynia tragedy and everything else are. This thing is well known in=
 Ukraine now, I am a bit surprised it is still obscure in Poland.<BR><BR>--=
- On Tue, 8/4/09, piotr micula &lt;<A href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.co=
m/mc/compose?to=3Dbasiaipiotr@yahoo.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:basiaipiotr@yaho=
o.com">basiaipiotr@yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; From: piotr micula =
&lt;<A href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dbasiaipiotr@y=
ahoo.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:basiaipiotr@yahoo.com">basiaipiotr@yahoo.com</A=
>&gt;<BR>&gt; Subject: Re: [WPM] Article about Pacification of Ukrainian vi=
llages in interwar Poland<BR>&gt; To: "Wikipedia statistics" &lt;<A href=3D=
"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dfolks@wikipedometer.net"
 ymailto=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net">folks@wikipedometer.net</A>&gt;=
<BR>&gt; Received: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 11:30 AM<BR>&gt; The unrest in =
Eastern Galicia was<BR>&gt; part of the permanent revolution tactics, adopt=
ed by the<BR>&gt; OUN. They went out of their way to incite hatred of Polis=
h<BR>&gt; government&nbsp;among Ukrainian peasants, therefore the<BR>&gt; s=
abotage operation of 1930, which spurred the pacification.<BR>&gt; OUN acti=
vists, and back then they were not numerous, would<BR>&gt; appear in Ukrain=
ian-populated villages, where they would<BR>&gt; kill some police officers,=
 cut telephone or telegraph lines,<BR>&gt; or burn some mail offices. Then =
they disappeared, waiting<BR>&gt; for reply of Polish police. The Poles wen=
t after peaceful<BR>&gt; villagers, punishing them for they had not commite=
d, while<BR>&gt; OUN activists relished the moment. We have to note that ha=
d<BR>&gt; there not been acts of sabotage by the OUN, the
 pacification<BR>&gt; would have never taken place.<BR>&gt; &nbsp;<BR>&gt; =
Tymek<BR>&gt; &nbsp;<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; --- On Mon, 8/3/09, radek sz=
ulga<BR>&gt; &lt;<A href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D=
rsszulga@gmail.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com">rsszulga@gmail.co=
m</A>&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; From: radek szulga &lt;<A href=
=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Drsszulga@gmail.com" ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com">rsszulga@gmail.com</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; Subjec=
t: Re: [WPM] Article about Pacification of Ukrainian<BR>&gt; villages in in=
terwar Poland<BR>&gt; To: "Wikipedia statistics"<BR>&gt; &lt;<A href=3D"htt=
p://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dfolks@wikipedometer.net" ymailt=
o=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net">folks@wikipedometer.net</A>&gt;<BR>&gt=
; Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 5:57 PM<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Like I sa=
id, I'm just<BR>&gt; translating the Polish article. Please expand and add.=
<BR>&gt;
 <BR>&gt; Radek<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 2009/8/3 O. G. &lt;<A hr=
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BR>&gt; I think it is very far from being ready for DYK. As of now<BR>&gt; =
it is one sided and biased, for example it states that<BR>&gt; Pacification=
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alicia didn't not rebel, peasants<BR>&gt; were made to suffer for the massi=
ve acts of sabotage and<BR>&gt; arson attack perpetrated mostly by the OUN.=
 It was a<BR>&gt; punitive action. The article needs a lot of work.<BR>&gt;=
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uys, you saved me some work. Add some<BR>&gt; inline<BR>&gt; &gt; citations=
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