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It seems that Offliner and Petri might indeed be different people. More
language issues. Someone asked why the
threat by was left without any reaction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Boris_Stomakhin/Evidence#Threats_by_User:ellol

This is because Alex bakharev said my translation was wrong, and no one else
Russian native speaker wanted
to translate.That was not normal Russian language, and  not [[Fenya]], but
[[Udaff]] combined with certain criminal expressions which came to normal
Russian languge (I even had to check one of the expressions in a glossary
provided by Russian WP). It is difficult to correctly translate to English.
The mentioned ("zatochka v bok") is not really the "knife to the hart"; this
is a very thin and narrow instrument widely used by Russian criminals. It
allows either kill a person or to "teach a lesson" by damaging only certain
internal organs (I know a person who refused to retire from his position in
a seemingly normal Russian trade comapny and was "retired" precisely by this
method).

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2009/5/3 Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>
>
>> Many of the people who do speak it well are abroad and/or busy with
>> education/work/etc,
>>
>
> Just in case: does this mean that English teachers tend to find more
> lucrative positions overseas, which leads only old and unskilled English
> teachers to teach English in Moldovan schools?
>
> Estonia went through a phase like this in the early 1990s.  Luckily for us,
> it was relatively short.  But if such dynamics would be at play in Moldova
> for extended time, it would be easy to see how the education issues cascade
> into industrial and commercial issues, and eventually lead to slow economy
> :-(
>
> Moldopodo (now permanently banned) was an editor from my home city (I
>> actually know his real name, and I believe I met him once or twice when we
>> were children). He works for a small IT company that services medium size
>> businesses. He had a strong pro-Soviet irredentist POV and a very instable
>> temper (which i think showed off in high school and after). He went so much
>> in conflict with Fut. Perf. for reasons that no sane person would ever
>> understand, and behaved so rude, that his undoing was awaiting him.
>>
>
> What would be the causes of his pro-Soviet views?  Cultural Stockholm
> Syndrome, or perhaps hope that pro-Russian Moldova would be granted
> favourable trade and friendship by Russia?
>
> BTW, Illythr thinks of himself as a wikignome. And if you deal with
>> non-Soviet topics, he indeed is.
>>
>
> Even in Soviet topics, he doesn't tend to do knee-jerk stuff like, say,
> Russavia.  Wikipedia would stand a chance of actually working if there were
> more people like Illythr, no matter their pet views.
>
> --
> Andres Soolo
>
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It seems that Offliner and Petri might indeed be different people. More lan=
guage issues. Someone asked why the <br>threat by was left without any reac=
tion.=A0 <br><br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests=
_for_arbitration/Boris_Stomakhin/Evidence#Threats_by_User:ellol">http://en.=
wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Boris_Stomakhin/Evide=
nce#Threats_by_User:ellol</a><br>
<br>This is because Alex bakharev said my translation was wrong, and no one=
 else Russian native speaker wanted<br>to translate.That was not normal Rus=
sian language, and=A0 not [[Fenya]], but [[Udaff]] combined with certain cr=
iminal expressions which came to normal Russian languge (I even had to chec=
k one of the expressions in a glossary provided by Russian WP). It is diffi=
cult to correctly translate to English. The mentioned (&quot;zatochka v bok=
&quot;) is not really the &quot;knife to the hart&quot;; this is a very thi=
n and narrow instrument widely used by Russian criminals. It allows either =
kill a person or to &quot;teach a lesson&quot; by damaging only certain int=
ernal organs (I know a person who refused to retire from his position in a =
seemingly normal Russian trade comapny and was &quot;retired&quot; precisel=
y by this method).=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Digwuren <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-le=
ft: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/5/3 Dorin Cheptea <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dorin.cheptea@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dorin.cheptea@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span><div class=3D"im"><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=
.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

<div>Many of the people who do speak it well are abroad and/or busy with ed=
ucation/work/etc,</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Just in case:=
 does this mean that English teachers tend to find more lucrative positions=
 overseas, which leads only old and unskilled English teachers to teach Eng=
lish in Moldovan schools?</div>

<div><br></div><div>Estonia went through a phase like this in the early 199=
0s. =A0Luckily for us, it was relatively short. =A0But if such dynamics wou=
ld be at play in Moldova for extended time, it would be easy to see how the=
 education issues cascade into industrial and commercial issues, and eventu=
ally lead to slow economy :-(</div>
<div class=3D"im">
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px =
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><d=
iv>Moldopodo (now permanently banned) was an editor from my home city (I ac=
tually know his real name, and I believe I met him once or twice when we we=
re children). He works for a small IT company that services medium size bus=
inesses. He had a strong pro-Soviet irredentist POV and a very instable tem=
per (which i think showed off in high school=A0and after). He went so much =
in conflict with Fut. Perf. for reasons that no sane person would ever unde=
rstand, and behaved so rude,=A0that his undoing was awaiting him.</div>

</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>What would be the causes of his pro-=
Soviet views? =A0Cultural Stockholm Syndrome, or perhaps hope that pro-Russ=
ian Moldova would be granted favourable trade and friendship by Russia?</di=
v>
<div class=3D"im"><div>
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid=
 rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>BT=
W, Illythr thinks of himself as a wikignome. And if you deal with non-Sovie=
t topics, he indeed is.<br>

</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Even in Soviet topics, he does=
n&#39;t tend to do knee-jerk stuff like, say, Russavia. =A0Wikipedia would =
stand a chance of actually working if there were more people like Illythr, =
no matter their pet views.</div>

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