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"I didn't know he ventured in depth in things other than 19th century and
current times. Never heard him talking about Eastern Europe for 2 sentences
at a row."

Read the section:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niall_Ferguson#World_War_I

Fergusson position in regards to WW1 is very pro-imperial-that it would be
better for  German Empire to continue to exist. To me this seems the
standard Western-european centrism and belief that "those Central and
Eastern Europeans" deserve to be "kept in check" so often encountered in
western literature and thought. He blames WW2 atrocities and XX century wars
on fall of Empires, and you are correct-I also never heard him say a word
about the atrocities of Empires their subjects were exposed to, nor about
German plans against Eastern Europe.
I often encountered Fergusson among idols of German nationalists on internet
btw.


2009/6/8 Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>

>
>> *I respect very much Nail Fergusson*
>> Funny you mention Nail Fergusson-I oppose the man. Not many people know,
>> but he deep down he has a very antipolish beliefs
>
>
> This is news to me.
>
>
>> and supports the view that it was better for German Empire to win WW1.
>> Being an somewhat hobbyist of WW1 topics, I know much  about German war
>> plans and they were in essence trying to create an African colonies in
>> center of Europe with Germans as the "white man".
>> For samples see:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Border_Strip
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrecklichkeit
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Kalisz
>>
>> As far as I know Fergusson never mentions those things or German plans in
>> his WW1 books and articles.
>>
>>
> I know Fergusson from his portrayal of the Britsh Empire and the (sometimes
> luck of) parallelism between that and the USA. Also I appreciate his
> thorough understanding of current politics and even economics. I didn't know
> he ventured in depth in things other than 19th century and current times.
> Never heard him talking about Eastern Europe for 2 sentences at a row.
>
> Dorin
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&quot;I didn&#39;t know he ventured in depth in things other than 19th
century and current times. Never heard him talking about Eastern Europe
for 2 sentences at a row.&quot;
<div><br></div><br>Read the section:<br><br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.=
org/wiki/Niall_Ferguson#World_War_I">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niall_Fer=
guson#World_War_I</a><br><br>Fergusson position in regards to WW1 is very p=
ro-imperial-that it would be better for=A0 German Empire to continue to exi=
st. To me this seems the standard Western-european centrism and belief that=
 &quot;those Central and Eastern Europeans&quot; deserve to be &quot;kept i=
n check&quot; so often encountered in western literature and thought. He bl=
ames WW2 atrocities and XX century wars on fall of Empires, and you are cor=
rect-I also never heard him say a word about the atrocities of Empires thei=
r subjects were exposed to, nor about German plans against Eastern Europe.<=
br>

I often encountered Fergusson among idols of German nationalists on interne=
t btw.<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/6/8 Dorin Cheptea <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dorin.cheptea@gmail.com">dorin.cheptea@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"bord=
er-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-l=
eft: 1ex;">
<div><br> <i>I respect very much Nail Fergusson</i><br></div>Funny you ment=
ion Nail Fergusson-I oppose the man. Not many people know, but he deep down=
 he has a very antipolish beliefs </blockquote>
<div><br></div></div><div>This is news to me.</div><div class=3D"im"><div>=
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid =
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">and supp=
orts the view that it was better for German Empire to win WW1. Being an som=
ewhat hobbyist of WW1 topics, I know much=A0 about German war plans and the=
y were in essence trying to create an African colonies in center of Europe =
with Germans as the &quot;white man&quot;.<br>


For samples see:<br><br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Bord=
er_Strip" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Border_Stri=
p</a><br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrecklichkeit" target=3D=
"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrecklichkeit</a><br>


<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Kalisz" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Kalisz</a><br><br>As far =
as I know Fergusson never mentions those things or German plans in his WW1 =
books and articles.<br>


<br></blockquote></div></div><br><div>I know Fergusson from his portrayal o=
f the Britsh Empire and the (sometimes luck of) parallelism between that an=
d the USA. Also I appreciate his thorough understanding of current politics=
 and even economics. I didn&#39;t know he ventured in depth in things other=
 than 19th century and current times. Never heard him talking about Eastern=
 Europe for 2 sentences at a row.</div>

<div><br></div><font color=3D"#888888"><div>Dorin</div><div><br></div>
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