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Ok, add Igny calling Vecrumba "troll" and other instances of incivility to
the list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communist_genocide#Watching_the_OR_circus

Radek

2009/8/7 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>

> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 16:43, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is this legit:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Articles_for_delet=
ion/Russian_influence_operations_in_Estonia_(2nd_nomination)&curid=3D238397=
22&diff=3D306544812&oldid=3D306491871<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?t=
itle=3DWikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russian_influence_operations_in_Esto=
nia_%282nd_nomination%29&curid=3D23839722&diff=3D306544812&oldid=3D30649187=
1>
>>
>> PU is striking out Joklolk's vote because recently Joklolk got banned (I
>> think for sock puppetry) - but he voted before his ban and he didn't vot=
e
>> twice as far as I can tell (I think his sock/master was ViperNerd)
>>
>> I'm not going to push it unless this is a breach of policy by PU.
>
>
> It's hairy.  Banning for "being a troll" does not automatically disqualif=
y
> a pre-ban vote in eyes of many Wikipedians, but does in eyes of others.
>  Striking a vote because its caster "is a troll" is not exactly kosher, b=
ut
> if it's a banned user, it is not exactly against the policy, either.
>
> On the other hand, if Joklolk was banned because of evading an earlier ba=
n
> (which is implicit in the sock puppetry part), then policy says it's
> appropriate to delete his vote entirely.  It's noteworthy that PU didn't =
do
> that.
>
> Considering how Wikipedia goes, it's unlikely that this can be construed =
as
> a grave violation by PU.  If necessary, quite a bit of dramu could be spu=
n
> around it, but I think this AFD has enough dramu already.  But if you wan=
t
> to do something about it, you could delete the vote *and* PU's comment --
> the first on the theory that it's by a banned user, the second on the the=
ory
> that it's moot and/or that it's a personal attack on a banned user.
>  Considering how PU seems to think, he might prefer that the stricken vot=
e
> be explicit, in the hope that voting "keep" might become associated with
> trolling slightly more in the eyes of the closing admin.  If so, there's =
a
> chance PU might get provoked by such deletion -- even though it's firmly
> based in solid policy *and* it's possible to reasonably argue that its
> immediate goal was reducing the dramu found in this AFD.
>
> --
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Ok, add Igny calling Vecrumba &quot;troll&quot; and other instances of inci=
vility to the list:<br><br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Com=
munist_genocide#Watching_the_OR_circus">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:C=
ommunist_genocide#Watching_the_OR_circus</a><br>
<br>Radek<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/8/7 Digwuren <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid =
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 16:43, =
radek szulga <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">rsszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); marg=
in: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

Is this legit:<br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWi=
kipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russian_influence_operations_in_Estonia_%282n=
d_nomination%29&amp;curid=3D23839722&amp;diff=3D306544812&amp;oldid=3D30649=
1871" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikiped=
ia:Articles_for_deletion/Russian_influence_operations_in_Estonia_(2nd_nomin=
ation)&amp;curid=3D23839722&amp;diff=3D306544812&amp;oldid=3D306491871</a><=
br>


<br>PU is striking out Joklolk&#39;s vote because recently Joklolk got bann=
ed (I think for sock puppetry) - but he voted before his ban and he didn&#3=
9;t vote twice as far as I can tell (I think his sock/master was ViperNerd)=
<br>


<br>I&#39;m not going to push it unless this is a breach of policy by PU.</=
blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>It&#39;s hairy. =A0Banning for &quot;b=
eing a troll&quot; does not automatically disqualify a pre-ban vote in eyes=
 of many Wikipedians, but does in eyes of others. =A0Striking a vote becaus=
e its caster &quot;is a troll&quot; is not exactly kosher, but if it&#39;s =
a banned user, it is not exactly against the policy, either.</div>

<div><br></div><div>On the other hand, if Joklolk was banned because of eva=
ding an earlier ban (which is implicit in the sock puppetry part), then pol=
icy says it&#39;s appropriate to delete his vote entirely. =A0It&#39;s note=
worthy that PU didn&#39;t do that.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Considering how Wikipedia goes, it&#39;s unlikely that =
this can be construed as a grave violation by PU. =A0If necessary, quite a =
bit of dramu could be spun around it, but I think this AFD has enough dramu=
 already. =A0But if you want to do something about it, you could delete the=
 vote *and* PU&#39;s comment -- the first on the theory that it&#39;s by a =
banned user, the second on the theory that it&#39;s moot and/or that it&#39=
;s a personal attack on a banned user. =A0Considering how PU seems to think=
, he might prefer that the stricken vote be explicit, in the hope that voti=
ng &quot;keep&quot; might become associated with trolling slightly more in =
the eyes of the closing admin. =A0If so, there&#39;s a chance PU might get =
provoked by such deletion -- even though it&#39;s firmly based in solid pol=
icy *and* it&#39;s possible to reasonably argue that its immediate goal was=
 reducing the dramu found in this AFD.</div>

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