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On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 19:58, Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com> wrote:

> Very interesting. Konrad Adenauer has a much more positive image in Romania
> and Moldova, for example. I believe it is very obvious that many millions of
> Germans disagreed with Nazis, and did not participate in the horrors
> committed by that regime. It is complete news to me to hear that Adenauer's
> policy was an overt Nazi restoration. Obviously, I don't know much about the
> issue. I am just saying that what I read and heard before gave me a
> different impression.
>

It is not quite as simple.  The Three Powers still held a lot of sway in
West Germany's affairs -- remember, the Allied Occupation Force only had the
American, English and French zones incorporated into West Germany in spring
of 1949 -- and they held enough leverage to remove anybody who would have
overtly restarted advocating "restoration of the glory of the Third Reich".
 So, even if he had wanted to overtly restore Nazi Germany, he would not
have succeeded.  Besides, as a political prisoner under Nazi rule, why would
he?

While Adenauer was a rather complex politician, a common thread in his
policy was separating Germany's dark history from the (then current)
present.  It is true that he stepped into questionable waters more than
once, but Nazi he was not.  (As the Cold War flamed, Soviet propaganda
attempted to paint him as one, nevertheless.)

Since from German point of view, Adenauer is mainly associated with positive
developments such as the Wirtschaftswunder, it's no wonder he's remembered
fondly by Germans.  His track record with international relationships is
spottier, but -- again -- from German POV, his making up with France tends
to overshadow his relations with Eastern Europe.

Eighty percent of being a Distinguished Statesman is being in the right
place at the right time.  Something good will happen every now and then, and
if you're there, you'll get the credit.  No matter who would have ruled
Germany after the WWII, he would have made up with France -- but Adenauer
did, so this inevitable happening is now a testament to *his* stature as a
statesman.  *C'est la vie...*

-- 
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 19:58, Dorin Cheptea <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dorin.cheptea@gmail.com">dorin.cheptea@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>Very interesting. Konrad Adenauer has a much more positive image in Ro=
mania and Moldova, for example. I believe it is very obvious that many mill=
ions of Germans disagreed with Nazis, and did not participate in the horror=
s committed by that regime. It is complete news to me to hear that Adenauer=
&#39;s policy was an overt Nazi restoration. Obviously, I don&#39;t know mu=
ch about the issue. I am just saying that what I read and heard before gave=
 me a different impression.=C2=A0</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>It is not quite as simple. =C2=A0The Three=
 Powers still held a lot of sway in West Germany&#39;s affairs -- remember,=
 the Allied Occupation Force only had the American, English and French zone=
s incorporated into West Germany in spring of 1949 -- and they held enough =
leverage to remove anybody who would have overtly restarted advocating &quo=
t;restoration of the glory of the Third Reich&quot;. =C2=A0So, even if he h=
ad wanted to overtly restore Nazi Germany, he would not have succeeded. =C2=
=A0Besides, as a political prisoner under Nazi rule, why would he?</div>
<div><br></div><div>While Adenauer was a rather complex politician, a commo=
n thread in his policy was separating Germany&#39;s dark history from the (=
then current) present. =C2=A0It is true that he stepped into questionable w=
aters more than once, but Nazi he was not. =C2=A0(As the Cold War flamed, S=
oviet propaganda attempted to paint him as one, nevertheless.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Since from German point of view, Adenauer is mainly ass=
ociated with positive developments such as the Wirtschaftswunder, it&#39;s =
no wonder he&#39;s remembered fondly by Germans. =C2=A0His track record wit=
h international relationships is spottier, but -- again -- from German POV,=
 his making up with France tends to overshadow his relations with Eastern E=
urope.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Eighty percent of being a Distinguished Statesman is be=
ing in the right place at the right time. =C2=A0Something good will happen =
every now and then, and if you&#39;re there, you&#39;ll get the credit. =C2=
=A0No matter who would have ruled Germany after the WWII, he would have mad=
e up with France -- but Adenauer did, so this inevitable happening is now a=
 testament to *his* stature as a statesman. =C2=A0<i>C&#39;est la vie...</i=
></div>
<div><br></div></div>-- <br>Andres Soolo<br>

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