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Piotr,

Why do you think that Paul Siebert has a PhD degree and published anything
in academic journals? Because he said so?



On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:00 PM, piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Has anybody nominated the article to DYK?
>
> Tymek
>
> --- On *Mon, 9/7/09, PetersJV@aol.com <PetersJV@aol.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: PetersJV@aol.com <PetersJV@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] DYK for Nazi-Soviet military parade in Brzesc
> To: folks@wikipedometer.net
> Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 10:34 AM
>
>
>  In a message dated 9/7/2009 2:32:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> basiaipiotr@yahoo.com writes:
>
> Peters, I know about it all. I talk about such idiots as user Paul Siebert,
> who has a Doctor of Philosophy degree, and who has published peer-reviewed
> articles in *academic journals* in case somebody wanted to know. Look
> here, this is what he answered to me:
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Paul_Siebert&diff=prev&oldid=296381035
>
>
> Looks like you one can have all the formal education degrees, and still be
> a bird brain.
>
> Tymek
>
>
> As we can see...
>
> "ii) there were neither cooperation nor even coordination between Germany
> and the USSR during the most crucial period of the invasion; "
>
> Of course, categorically incorrect, given the radio transmissions et al.
>  (I'll need to go back to the article and that passage....)
>
> The issue is academics who approach history with their personal POV. I do
> that too, but the difference is I am willing to admit I don't know
> everything and to change my POV based on facts. Siebert represents a whole
> class of academics--whether intentional or unwitting Soviet apologists--who
> go "LA LA LA LA LA" very loudly when hearing anything contradicting them--or
> to become antagonistic in the defense of their position.
>
> Mark Tauger (professor at University of West Virginia) comes to mind
> regarding the Holodomor. You should read some of his rants where he goes off
> on people who disagree with him.
>
> West Virginia, the state where they shave tops off of mountains and build
> airports so that if you miss the runway you die... sorry, couldn't resist...
> terrain map of Yeager Airport, Charleston, West Virginia...
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=yeager+airport,+charleston,+west+virginia&sll=38.373828,-81.591082&sspn=0.048919,0.048494&ie=UTF8&ll=38.3708,-81.596231&spn=0.048921,0.048494&t=p&z=14
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> /Peters
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Piotr,<br><br>Why do you think that Paul Siebert has a PhD degree and publi=
shed anything in academic journals? Because he said so?<br><br><br><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:00 PM, piotr micula <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:basiaipiotr@yahoo.com">basiaipiotr@yahoo.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><table border=3D"=
0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td style=3D"font-family:=
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 font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-=
stretch: inherit;" valign=3D"top">
<div>Has anybody nominated the article to DYK? </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Tymek<div class=3D"im"><br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 9/7/09, <a href=3D"mailt=
o:PetersJV@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">PetersJV@aol.com</a> <i>&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:PetersJV@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">PetersJV@aol.com</a>&gt;</i>=
</b> wrote:<br>
</div></div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left:=
 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><div class=3D"im"><br>From: <a href=3D"mailto:Pete=
rsJV@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">PetersJV@aol.com</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
PetersJV@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">PetersJV@aol.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [WPM] DYK for Nazi-Soviet military parade in Brzesc<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net" target=3D"_blank">folks@wikipedomet=
er.net</a><br></div>Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 10:34 AM<div><div></di=
v>
<div class=3D"h5"><br><br>
<div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">
<div>
<div>In a message dated 9/7/2009 2:32:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:basiaipiotr@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">basiaipiotr@yahoo.com<=
/a> writes:</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 5px; margin=
-left: 5px;"><font style=3D"background-color: transparent;" color=3D"#00000=
0" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"3">
<div>Peters, I know about it all. I talk about such idiots as user Paul Sie=
bert, who has a Doctor of Philosophy degree, and who has published peer-rev=
iewed articles in <b>academic journals</b> in case somebody wanted to know.=
 Look here, this is what he answered to me:</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div><a title=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Paul=
_Siebert&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D296381035" href=3D"http://en.wikipedia=
.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Paul_Siebert&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=
=3D296381035" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/=
index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Paul_Siebert&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D296381=
035</a>=A0</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Looks like you one can have all the=A0formal education degrees, and st=
ill be a bird brain.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Tymek<br><br></div></font></blockquote></div>
<div></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>As we can see...</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>&quot;ii) there were neither cooperation nor even coordination between=
 Germany and the USSR during the most crucial period of the invasion; &quot=
;</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Of course, categorically incorrect, given the radio transmissions et a=
l. =A0(I&#39;ll need to go back to the article and that passage....)</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>The issue is academics who approach history with=A0their personal POV.=
 I do that too, but the difference is I am willing to admit I don&#39;t kno=
w everything and to change my POV based on facts. Siebert represents a whol=
e class of academics--whether intentional or unwitting Soviet apologists--w=
ho go &quot;LA LA LA LA LA&quot; very loudly when hearing anything contradi=
cting them--or to become antagonistic=A0in the defense of their position.</=
div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Mark Tauger (professor at University of West Virginia) comes to mind r=
egarding the Holodomor. You should read some of his rants where he goes off=
 on people who disagree with him.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>West Virginia, the state where they shave tops off of mountains and bu=
ild airports so that if you miss the runway you die... sorry, couldn&#39;t =
resist... terrain map of Yeager Airport, Charleston, West Virginia...</div>

<div><a href=3D"http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&amp;source=3Ds_q&amp;hl=
=3Den&amp;geocode=3D&amp;q=3Dyeager+airport,+charleston,+west+virginia&amp;=
sll=3D38.373828,-81.591082&amp;sspn=3D0.048919,0.048494&amp;ie=3DUTF8&amp;l=
l=3D38.3708,-81.596231&amp;spn=3D0.048921,0.048494&amp;t=3Dp&amp;z=3D14" re=
l=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&amp;sour=
ce=3Ds_q&amp;hl=3Den&amp;geocode=3D&amp;q=3Dyeager+airport,+charleston,+wes=
t+virginia&amp;sll=3D38.373828,-81.591082&amp;sspn=3D0.048919,0.048494&amp;=
ie=3DUTF8&amp;ll=3D38.3708,-81.596231&amp;spn=3D0.048921,0.048494&amp;t=3Dp=
&amp;z=3D14</a></div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>/Peters</div></font>
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