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Re: the article by Volodymyr Pawliw=2C mentioned by Tymek.=20

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For your convenience=2C here the link to machine translation by Google Tran=
slate (not too clear though)=2C which could be used as base for a real tran=
slation by hand=2C if you want. The title should read: "Let 's stop with th=
e beautiful fairy tales about UPA". Very interesting two photographs includ=
ed.

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http://74.125.115.132/translate_c?hl=3Den&sl=3Dpl&u=3Dhttp://wyborcza.pl/1=
=2C97738=2C6407468=2CSkonczmy_z_pieknymi_bajkami_o_UPA.html&prev=3D/search%=
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Richard (Poeticbent)
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Date: Fri=2C 31 Jul 2009 17:36:21 -0700
From: basiaipiotr@yahoo.com
To: folks@wikipedometer.net
Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek =2C Piotrus=2C Tymek and others.






There is a very interesting article about UIA=2C written by Volodymyr Pavli=
l=2C renowned Ukrainian publicist. Its Polish translation is here=2C and th=
e title is "Let us end those fairly tales about UIA"
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http://wyborcza.pl/1=2C97738=2C6407468=2CSkonczmy_z_pieknymi_bajkami_o_UPA.=
html
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Peters and others who do not speak Polish - if you wish it to be translated=
=2C I can do it.
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Tymek

--- On Fri=2C 7/31/09=2C PetersJV@aol.com <PetersJV@aol.com> wrote:


From: PetersJV@aol.com <PetersJV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek =2C Piotrus=2C Tymek and others.
To: folks@wikipedometer.net
Date: Friday=2C July 31=2C 2009=2C 7:19 PM




In a message dated 7/31/2009 7:20:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C basiaipi=
otr@yahoo.com writes:

"UPA never engaged in genocide of Poles. It simply wanted them out of Ukrai=
nian territories"
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This is a very interesting observation. How about: "SS never engaged in gen=
ocide of Poles. It simply wanted them out of German territories".=20
=20
The more I read your posts=2C the more shocked I am. Looks like you know mo=
re than the general consensus of historians. Where do you get that info?
=20
BTW what do you understand by Ukrainian territories where Poles were unwant=
ed and simply removed?=20
=20
Tymek

We all know that what is generally "wanted" by the populace can become a mi=
ssion of the worst part on the part of a few. Let's not draw comparisons=2C=
 my experience is they never end well because some topics are not meant to =
be oversimplified. Let's just concentrate on well sourced content. We need =
to AGREE TO DISAGREE ABOUT OUR PERSONAL PERSPECTIVES. Yes?
=20
/Peters




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Date: Fri=2C 31 Jul 2009 17:36:21 -0700<BR>From: basiaipiotr@yahoo.com<BR>T=
o: folks@wikipedometer.net<BR>Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek =2C Piotrus=
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ieknymi_bajkami_o_UPA.html</A></DIV>
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<DIV>Peters and others who do not speak Polish - if you wish it to be trans=
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<DIV>Tymek<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri=2C 7/31/09=2C PetersJV@aol.com <I>&lt=3BPet=
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.com&gt=3B<BR>Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek =2C Piotrus=2C Tymek and othe=
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<DIV>"UPA never engaged in genocide of Poles. It simply wanted them&nbsp=3B=
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<DIV>&nbsp=3B</DIV>
<DIV>This is a very interesting observation.&nbsp=3BHow about:&nbsp=3B"SS n=
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<DIV>&nbsp=3B</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp=3B</DIV>
<DIV>BTW what do you understand by Ukrainian territories where Poles were u=
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<DIV>&nbsp=3B</DIV>
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<DIV>We all know that what is generally "wanted" by the populace&nbsp=3Bcan=
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