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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 03:19:54 +0200
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From: Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
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	Content preview:  And lastly, another Polish user-Lysy-is also opposed to
	your edit and expressed it on discussion page in particular to use of
	unreliable sources like Nortom or Polish nationalists. 2009/9/1 Molobo
	Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>: > In short you made a very POV-edit based on
	unreliable sources coming > from an anti-Ukrainian organisation, and in
	the lead. > With a gross overinflation of number of Polish casualties. >
	Are you seriously surprised that such POV-ed information was removed >
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	the lead. > With a gross overinflation of number of Polish casualties. >
	Are you seriously surprised that such POV-ed information was removed >
	from the lead ? > > 2009/9/1 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>: >> Also
	Szczepan Siekierka is from a heavily nationalist Polish >> organization
	that seems to have a particular anti-Ukrainian bias. >> It isn't wise to
	use such sources, I suggest you take a pause in >> editing this article.
	>> >> 2009/9/1 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>: >>> The text edited
	out by Ostap doesn't seem to be quite reliable. I mean >>> "wydawnictwo
	norton" ? >>> >>> Could you use more reliable sources and less pov-ed (I
	mean the >>> ludobójstwo title doesn't indicate neutrality) >>> >>> In
	short I think you are describing edit of Ostap too strongly. I >>>
	wouldn't support those works or information in lead either. >>> >>>
	2009/9/1 Richard Tylman <poeticbent@hotmail.com>: >>>> Please respond in
	kind >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ostap R has reverted everything I’ve done in
	one sweep today (-2,724 >>>> characters)… no discussion, no middle
	ground, nothing. That, and of course, >>>> his angry edit summary. >>>>
	>>>> >>>> >>>> Can we please attempt to have some mutual respect around
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And lastly, another Polish user-Lysy-is also opposed to your edit and
expressed it on discussion page in particular to use of unreliable
sources like Nortom or Polish nationalists.

2009/9/1 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>:
> In short you made a very POV-edit based on unreliable sources coming
> from an anti-Ukrainian organisation, and in the lead.
> With a gross overinflation of number of Polish casualties.
> Are you seriously surprised that such POV-ed information was removed
> from the lead ?
>
> 2009/9/1 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>:
>> Also Szczepan Siekierka is from a heavily nationalist Polish
>> organization that seems to have a particular anti-Ukrainian bias.
>> It isn't wise to use such sources, I suggest you take a pause in
>> editing this article.
>>
>> 2009/9/1 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>:
>>> The text edited out by Ostap doesn't seem to be quite reliable. I mean
>>> "wydawnictwo norton" ?
>>>
>>> Could you use more reliable sources and less pov-ed (I mean the
>>> ludob=F3jstwo title doesn't indicate neutrality)
>>>
>>> In short I think you are describing edit of Ostap too strongly. I
>>> wouldn't support those works or information in lead either.
>>>
>>> 2009/9/1 Richard Tylman <poeticbent@hotmail.com>:
>>>> Please respond in kind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ostap R has reverted everything I=92ve done in one sweep today (-2,724
>>>> characters)=85 no discussion, no middle ground, nothing. That, and of =
course,
>>>> his angry edit summary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can we please attempt to have some mutual respect around here at least,
>>>> among the members of our club if anywhere? I=92m not Ostap=92s enemy. =
I always
>>>> stay away from bad sources and acknowledge the good work of others. I
>>>> contribute to Wikipedia only what I find to be of importance for the b=
enefit
>>>> of others.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If Ostap feels OK to work behind my back out there, than I don=92t wan=
t my
>>>> messages posted here to be read by him with the potential for being us=
ed
>>>> against me. We both mix like oil and water apparently, so something ha=
s to
>>>> give.
>>>>
>>>> Richard (Poeticbent) Tylman
>>>>
>>>> Follow the link please:
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DMassacres_of_Poles_in_Volh=
ynia&curid=3D464698&diff=3D311168081&oldid=3D311161466
>>>>
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>>>>
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