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no, 172 is not a JP. He is just too smart for that. Probably just a
university lefty (no doubt he IS a scholar). Whereas some of his
contributions are pov-pushing, most ostensibly aren't. My two cents,
that the two users aren't identical.

M.

On 11/06/2009, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com> wrote:
> 172 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/172) looks like a
> moderate Jacob Peters to me. Anyone knows anything factual about him? Is =
he
> a desyssopped admin?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DSpecial:Log&limit=3D500&user=
=3D172&month=3D&year=3D
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Andrei Dombay
> <wikibiophys@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> OK, how to use his utility for that purpose?
>>
>> That would not work for clever socks of banned users of course. For
>> example, I suspect that some accounts active in Ossetian war (esp. Feel
>> Sunny) might be socks of Bogorm or TopGun, but this is hard to prove as
>> long
>> as they edit ONLY Ossetian war.
>>
>> I also wonder what is relationship between Altenmann/Mikkalai and some
>> other users  who worked on similar subjects
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Altenmann
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mukadderat
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/172
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Sander S=E4de <sander.sade@gmail.com>wr=
ote:
>>
>>> No, this is not a purpose of the tool - Digwuren's utility can be used
>>> for
>>> that, roughly.
>>>
>>> Sander.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Andrei Dombay
>>> <wikibiophys@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, can we use your tool to identify two users who NEVER edit at the
>>>> same
>>>> time during months, because they have unoverlapped sequences of edits?
>>>> Having two edits made by two users at the same minute in two different
>>>> articles might disqualify such users as potential socks. That would he=
lp
>>>> to
>>>> get some evidence in this style
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Giovan=
ni33/Evidence#Evidence_presented_by_Merzbow
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:35 AM, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>wrot=
e:
>>>>
>>>>> One thing that this tool should be quite useful for though is to
>>>>> quickly catch socks of Jacob Peters. If you look at JP's pattern it's
>>>>> fairly peculiar - all edits are made between 16 to 5 with no edits in
>>>>> between. All of his socks from here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Jacob_=
Peters
>>>>> have the same pattern, including the one we caught recently, Kupredu.
>>>>> Basically, if you get that nagging suspicion that you're dealing with
>>>>> a JP sock this is probably a pretty good test.
>>>>>
>>>>> Radek
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/6/11 Sander S=E4de <sander.sade@gmail.com>:
>>>>> > Normalization in this context is simply converting actual values to
>>>>> > percent-like numbers, so two users with different edit counts can be
>>>>> > represented in a graph, nothing more.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The usability for detecting socks or locations is naturally limited=
 -
>>>>> > however, changing one's normal editing times is much harder than
>>>>> changing
>>>>> > username - a major shift in lifestyle should be involved. This can =
be
>>>>> an
>>>>> > additional data in sock detection - also, I suspect it is one of the
>>>>> tools
>>>>> > that checkusers have, along with simple whois+geodata and a tool to
>>>>> compare
>>>>> > articles edited - ie if suspected socks have edited the same
>>>>> > articles.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sander
>>>>> >
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