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Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:39:04 +0300
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From: Miacek and his crime-fighting dog <miacek08@googlemail.com>
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You seem to have rather well familiarized yourself with different
types of German nationalist, Neo-Nazi, Holocaust denial accounts and
similar trolls in Wiki. Do you happen to recall some Polish
nationalists, too, whom you've encountered here in wiki?

(I've been to Poland, liked that country very much. No Polonophobia
from me. Though no support for patent Germanophobia either ;-))

'''Miacek''

On 13/06/2009, Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's far more compliacted then Neo-Nazi editors. Basically Germany has
> managed to avoid certain issues connected to German nationalism by putting
> an image of Neo-Nazis=3DNationalists. But nationalism in Germany is not
> limited to neo-nazi movement, some nationalists actually can even hate
> neonazis or Hitler simply out of the fact that they lost war. Also Nazism
> was quite socialist in certain aspects. Users like Smith2006 for example =
are
> representing radical christian right that can be also found in Poland. Wh=
ile
> they will be against outright nazism, they will support claims of German
> nationalists.
> And completely different breed of German nationalism if what I observed in
> German left-this is "German are superior Europeans" nationalism. It is ma=
de
> of belieft that Germany has made the greatest attempts to deal with its p=
ast
> while others didn't and all European countries should take responsibility
> like Germans did for WW2. Their "dealing with the past" is concentrated o=
nly
> on Jewish issues-atrocities against Poles will be countered with the Germ=
an
> propaganda about Polish fault for WW2, and "Polish nationalism". User
> Thorsten1 would be a good example of this kind of thinking.
>
> German cabal I would define into following groups:
>
> Neo-Nazis-very rare and burn out shortly, examples include Npovshark,
> Kurf=FCrst-obvious attempts to show Nazi propaganda as truth
>
> German conservative nationalism-will focus on alledged German civilisatio=
nal
> role in the "barbarian East", attacks on Czechs and Poles for
> "discrimination of Germans",  try to present cities in Poland and Czech
> Republic as "eternally German", show Central and Eastern Europea as
> barbaric, non-developed and lacking any development if not ruled bviy
> Germans. Users Matthead, Skapperod, Smith2006 go into this group
>
> Revisionists-try to portay Nazi Germany as "normal country". Allies as us=
ing
> genocide and mass murder against Germans, Nazi propaganda as having "grain
> of truth", focus on equalising German "suffering" with Holocaust. Attempts
> to smuggle Nazi claims in subtle way into the text. User Stork Stark7 and
> Skapperod will be in that group.
>
> German "superior Europeans"-present Germans as not caring about "national
> issues"-while constantly writing about them. Arrogant attitude to Central
> Europeans that "must learn from Germans". Belief that Poles and Central
> Europeans are equally responsible for WW2 and Holocaust as Germans and its
> time they admit it. Sometims brings up German nationalist propaganda.
> UserThorsten1 belongs to this group, but in general this is a fairly
> widespread public view in Germany.
>
> W dniu 10 czerwca 2009 18:42 u=BFytkownik Piotr Konieczny
> <piokon@post.pl>napisa=B3:
>
>> Miacek and his crime-fighting dog wrote:
>> > I was thinking it's just one of those Danzig-Gda=F1sk / Stettin Sczcec=
in
>> issues.
>> >
>> > If he is indeed one of the Greater Germany cabal or even a Neo-Nazi,
>> > then he should be banned. Who are the other accounts you would include
>> > in such a faction?
>>
>> Check
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Eastern_=
European_disputes/Evidence#Tag_team_3:_German
>>
>> There were few editors active in the past who no longer are (Jadger...).
>>  I am sure Molobo can add a few more names.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Prokonsul Piotrus aka Piotr Konieczny       |||____  __ __
>>                                       I=3DI=3D=3D=3D=3D__|_|I__I=3D>
>> "Lennier, get us the hell out of here."     |||
>> "Initiating 'getting the hell out of here' maneuver."
>>  -- Ivanova and Lennier in Babylon 5:"The Hour of the Wolf"
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