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2009/6/10 Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>

> It's an European law that the European Parliament elections have to be
> based on lists. So, it was the same in all 27 countries.
>

No, I'm not talking about this.  It's common in proportional voting systems
to organise candidates in lists, allowing vote transfers.

In these elections, people were asked to give their vote directly to one of
the lists.  Normally, in our election system, people would vote for
individuals, and lists would only be used for vote transference.

The vote-by-party system is now generally considered to have been a failure=
,
and the law will probably be reverted in a few weeks, so in five years,
we'll vote by candidate again.


> Namely, you can vote for a list (that is required), but then you could ha=
ve
> the option to rate candidates within a list, or to select one or several =
of
> them.
>

I believe Ireland uses STV for Europarliament elections, for an example.

This being the tradition, individuals are afraid to potentially annoy
> somebody. So, I expect for the time being all 14 of the 33 seat to go to =
the
> European popular party and none to the British-Polish-Czech group. But
> potentially, there are a number of people there which are *moderately*eur=
ocheptical.
>

Personally, after having seen stuff like Californian tax revenues being
ruined by anti-tax fanatics getting elected into the state legislature, I'd
prefer strong Euroskeptics to do their stuff outside the Europarliament.
 Some of them have some quite good points, but too much temptation is never
a good thing.

11 seats go to the socialist, 5 to the liberals, and 3 are taken by Vadim's
> party (which is a circus)
>

A constructive circus, or a destructive circus?

Once upon a time, Estonia had a Royalist Party.  It consisted mostly of
humorists, and did a lot of funny stuff with their 8 seats.  Yet, they were
quite constructive.

> *L=C3=A1szl=C3=B3 T=C5=91k=C3=A9s, Calvinist bishop and probable espionag=
e agent for the
> Hungarian spy > service
>
> He is part of the brain, not a low-level agent. Basically, currently his
> only concern is to somehow contribute to distancing Hungarian minority fr=
om
> Romania. And he is largely successful in that. He simply doesn't care abo=
ut
> any other issues.
>

What's the point?  What are his goals?

--=20
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/6/10 Dorin Cheptea <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:dorin.cheptea@gmail.com">dorin.cheptea@gmail.com</a>&gt;</s=
pan><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><span style=3D"border-collapse:collapse"><div class=3D"im"><div>It&#39=
;s an European law that the European Parliament elections have to be based =
on lists. So, it was the same in all 27 countries.</div></div></span></div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, I&#39;m not talking about this. =C2=A0=
It&#39;s common in proportional voting systems to organise candidates in li=
sts, allowing vote transfers.</div><div><br></div><div>In these elections, =
people were asked to give their vote directly to one of the lists. =C2=A0No=
rmally, in our election system, people would vote for individuals, and list=
s would only be used for vote transference.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The vote-by-party system is now generally considered to=
 have been a failure, and the law will probably be reverted in a few weeks,=
 so in five years, we&#39;ll vote by candidate again.</div><div>=C2=A0<br><=
/div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><span style=3D"border-collapse:collaps=
e"><div class=3D"im"><div>Namely, you can vote for a list (that is required=
), but then you could have the option to rate candidates within a list, or =
to select one or several of them.</div>
</div></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I believe Ireland uses =
STV for Europarliament elections, for an example.</div><div><br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><span style=3D"border-collapse:collapse"><div>This being the tradition=
, individuals are afraid to potentially annoy somebody. So, I expect for th=
e time being all 14 of the 33 seat to go to the European popular party and =
none to the British-Polish-Czech group. But potentially, there are a number=
 of people there which are <i>moderately</i> eurocheptical.</div>
</span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Personally, after having seen=
 stuff like Californian tax revenues being ruined by anti-tax fanatics gett=
ing elected into the state legislature, I&#39;d prefer strong Euroskeptics =
to do their stuff outside the Europarliament. =C2=A0Some of them have some =
quite good points, but too much temptation is never a good thing.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><span style=3D"border-c=
ollapse:collapse"><div>11 seats go to the socialist, 5 to the liberals, and=
 3 are taken by Vadim&#39;s party (which is a circus)</div>
</span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>A constructive circus, or a d=
estructive circus?</div><div><br></div><div>Once upon a time, Estonia had a=
 Royalist Party. =C2=A0It consisted mostly of humorists, and did a lot of f=
unny stuff with their 8 seats. =C2=A0Yet, they were quite constructive.</di=
v>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>&gt; *L=C3=A1szl=C3=B3 =
T=C5=91k=C3=A9s, Calvinist bishop and probable espionage agent for the Hung=
arian spy &gt; service<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">
<div><br></div></div><div>He is part of the brain, not a low-level agent. B=
asically, currently his only concern is to somehow contribute to distancing=
 Hungarian minority from Romania. And he is largely successful in that. He =
simply doesn&#39;t care about any other issues.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>What&#39;s the point? =C2=A0What are his g=
oals?</div><div><br></div></div>-- <br>Andres Soolo<br>

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