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I think that PasswordUsername was sharing account with Russavia, as was onc=
e
suggested. Note how Russavia's edit count drops after PasswordUsername join=
s
Wikipedia; how unstructured rants from both are similar.

PasswordUsername's accidental IP-blunder (
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Alex_Bakharev&diff=3D=
prev&oldid=3D282737448)
is from a cell phone - Cingular, which is AT&T. Whole 166.128.0.0 -
166.255.255.255 range points to Bedminster, NJ. This means that he could
have been effectively anywhere in the USA - I am not sure if AT&T Mobility
has a branch in Canada or not.

As for whether he is RJ CG.. I am not so sure. RJ CG tended to be more
colorful in his language, also with more colorful opinions. If we compare R=
J
CG with any of the current cabalists, then FeelSunny is far more like him
than PasswordUsername. FeelSunny's first edits are from 12th August 2008,
while RJ CG was blocked. Both claim ru as their native language and en-4 as
second. FeelSunny says he comes from Moscow, RJ CG has known IP's from
Toronto, but they both share roughly the same time of edits (we don't have =
a
tool to see average diurnal editing cycle, right? The one from
toolserver.org is opt-in).

However, I don't see that we can do anything about either of them. Last
couple of reports were... executed not quite as well as they could have
been, therefore any new ones will be seen as harassment, unless there is a
rock solid evidence - which we definitely do not have. There is no point of
going fishing for blocks based on what we have; far better road would be to
game 3RR and collect material for an extended report (keep it off-wiki,
though).

How about setting up a (publicly closed) wiki, with pages for each where we
can add known information and unconstructive edits/insults? I can host it o=
n
my website if needed.

As for Offliner and Shotlandiya, I think we should largely ignore them for
now - both are hotheads who are easier to deal with. Shotlandiya didn't eve=
n
manage to capitalize the name of the country whenhe created "Neo-nazism in
estonia", an article that we should effectively ignore at the moment, in my
opinion.

Sander

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl> wrote:

> Digwuren wrote:
>
> > One of the classic tactics involves overwhelming the opponent's revert
> > count.  To do this, we'd have to co=C3=B6rdinate at the level of determ=
ining
> > a day and consistently revert him (and the rest of the Cartel) until 3R=
R
> > kicks in.  The obvious downside is that a tight series of reverts such
> > as this has the risk of catching administrative attention, with all the
> > consequent risks.
>
> A crucial point is to avoid reaching 3RR, since people with streaks of
> three reverts per day have been known to get punished for edit warring.
> If we can coordinate reverts so that none of us has 2 reverts but
> Offliner has 3 reverts, after a relatively long streak on several
> articles he should fall for edit warring at ANI/3RR.
>
> > P. S.  I believe PasswordUsername is RJ CG, and I have strong suspicion
> > that RJ CG is not Roobit, after all.  I think I have expressed this
> > suspicion before, but I dropped it on-wiki because I was afraid that it
> > might be confirmed, leading to RJ CG's unblocking.  Unfortunately, I
> > don't think I can get SPI to accept the PU-RJ CG connection :-(
>
> Why not? If is is well documented, it should go through.
>
>
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> "Initiating 'getting the hell out of here' maneuver."
>  -- Ivanova and Lennier in Babylon 5:"The Hour of the Wolf"
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I think that PasswordUsername was sharing account with Russavia, as was onc=
e suggested. Note how Russavia&#39;s edit count drops after PasswordUsernam=
e joins Wikipedia; how unstructured rants from both are similar. <br><br>
PasswordUsername&#39;s accidental IP-blunder
(<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Alex_Bakh=
arev&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D282737448">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index=
.php?title=3DUser_talk:Alex_Bakharev&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D282737448<=
/a>)
is from a cell phone - Cingular, which is AT&amp;T. Whole 166.128.0.0 -
166.255.255.255
range points to Bedminster, NJ. This means that he could have been
effectively anywhere in the USA - I am not sure if AT&amp;T Mobility has a
branch in Canada or not.<br>
<br>As for whether he is RJ CG.. I am not so sure. RJ CG tended to be more =
colorful in his language, also with more colorful opinions. If we compare R=
J CG with any of the current cabalists, then FeelSunny is far more like him=
 than PasswordUsername. FeelSunny&#39;s first edits are from 12th August 20=
08, while RJ CG was blocked. Both claim ru as their native language and en-=
4 as second. FeelSunny says he comes from Moscow, RJ CG has known IP&#39;s =
from Toronto, but they both share roughly the same time of edits (we don&#3=
9;t have a tool to see average diurnal editing cycle, right? The one from <=
a href=3D"http://toolserver.org">toolserver.org</a> is opt-in).<br>
<br>However, I don&#39;t see that we can do anything about either of them. =
Last couple of reports were... executed not quite as well as they could hav=
e been, therefore any new ones will be seen as harassment, unless there is =
a rock solid evidence - which we definitely do not have. There is no point =
of going fishing for blocks based on what we have; far better road would be=
 to game 3RR and collect material for an extended report (keep it off-wiki,=
 though). <br>
<br>How about setting up a (publicly closed) wiki, with pages for each wher=
e we can add known information and unconstructive edits/insults? I can host=
 it on my website if needed.<br><br>As for Offliner and Shotlandiya, I thin=
k we should largely ignore them for now - both are hotheads who are easier =
to deal with. Shotlandiya didn&#39;t even manage to capitalize the name of =
the country whenhe created &quot;Neo-nazism in estonia&quot;, an article th=
at we should effectively ignore at the moment, in my opinion.<br>
<br>Sander<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:18 AM=
, Piotr Konieczny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204,=
 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">Digwuren wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; One of the classic tactics involves overwhelming the opponent&#39;s re=
vert<br>
&gt; count. =C2=A0To do this, we&#39;d have to co=C3=B6rdinate at the level=
 of determining<br>
&gt; a day and consistently revert him (and the rest of the Cartel) until 3=
RR<br>
&gt; kicks in. =C2=A0The obvious downside is that a tight series of reverts=
 such<br>
&gt; as this has the risk of catching administrative attention, with all th=
e<br>
&gt; consequent risks.<br>
<br>
</div>A crucial point is to avoid reaching 3RR, since people with streaks o=
f<br>
three reverts per day have been known to get punished for edit warring.<br>
If we can coordinate reverts so that none of us has 2 reverts but<br>
Offliner has 3 reverts, after a relatively long streak on several<br>
articles he should fall for edit warring at ANI/3RR.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; P. S. =C2=A0I believe PasswordUsername is RJ CG, and I have strong sus=
picion<br>
&gt; that RJ CG is not Roobit, after all. =C2=A0I think I have expressed th=
is<br>
&gt; suspicion before, but I dropped it on-wiki because I was afraid that i=
t<br>
&gt; might be confirmed, leading to RJ CG&#39;s unblocking. =C2=A0Unfortuna=
tely, I<br>
&gt; don&#39;t think I can get SPI to accept the PU-RJ CG connection :-(<br=
>
<br>
</div>Why not? If is is well documented, it should go through.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
--<br>
Prokonsul Piotrus aka Piotr Konieczny =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |||____ =C2=A0__=
 __<br>
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I=3DI=3D=3D=3D=
=3D__|_|I__I=3D&gt;<br>
&quot;Lennier, get us the hell out of here.&quot; =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |||<br>
&quot;Initiating &#39;getting the hell out of here&#39; maneuver.&quot;<br>
 =C2=A0-- Ivanova and Lennier in Babylon 5:&quot;The Hour of the Wolf&quot;=
<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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