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	templates linking elections in most every > country. The problem is
	that
	some users (out of ignorance; this isn't > Team USSR's doing) have been
	adding in election dates for the Soviet > period. For instance, in
	Moldova, the only elections there were in 1917 > (in the short-lived
	Moldavian Democratic Party) and in the independent > Republic of
	Moldova
	(1994, 1998, 2001, 2005 and now 2009). There was no > Moldovan state
	from 1918 to 1991, so it's illogical to speak of > elections there. > >
	Yet two users, with whom I have tried to reason, keep adding back in the
	> dozen Supreme Soviet "elections" (1940-1990, only the last of which is
	> remotely notable), despite the fact that the Moldavian SSR was an >
	entirely different entity. So > far, Template:Moldovan_elections,
	Template:Ukrainian_elections > and Template:Russian_elections have been
	affected. This is dangerous: it > confuses the concept of independent
	state with that of SSR. Also, the > Baltics are next, and as Peters is
	fond of reminding us, there was no > Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania from
	1940 to 1990 (at least none that held > elections). > > So please, if
	you can think up a solution (either a separate line in the > template
	or a separate template altogether), I'd be most grateful. [...] 
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	Content preview:  Christian Suciu wrote: > As you may know, we have
	templates linking elections in most every > country. The problem is that
	some users (out of ignorance; this isn't > Team USSR's doing) have been
	adding in election dates for the Soviet > period. For instance, in
	Moldova, the only elections there were in 1917 > (in the short-lived
	Moldavian Democratic Party) and in the independent > Republic of Moldova
	(1994, 1998, 2001, 2005 and now 2009). There was no > Moldovan state
	from 1918 to 1991, so it's illogical to speak of > elections there. > >
	Yet two users, with whom I have tried to reason, keep adding back in the
	> dozen Supreme Soviet "elections" (1940-1990, only the last of which is
	> remotely notable), despite the fact that the Moldavian SSR was an >
	entirely different entity. So > far, Template:Moldovan_elections,
	Template:Ukrainian_elections > and Template:Russian_elections have been
	affected. This is dangerous: it > confuses the concept of independent
	state with that of SSR. Also, the > Baltics are next, and as Peters is
	fond of reminding us, there was no > Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania from
	1940 to 1990 (at least none that held > elections). > > So please, if
	you can think up a solution (either a separate line in the > template or
	a separate template altogether), I'd be most grateful. [...] 
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Christian Suciu wrote:
> As you may know, we have templates linking elections in most every 
> country. The problem is that some users (out of ignorance; this isn't 
> Team USSR's doing) have been adding in election dates for the Soviet 
> period. For instance, in Moldova, the only elections there were in 1917 
> (in the short-lived Moldavian Democratic Party) and in the independent 
> Republic of Moldova (1994, 1998, 2001, 2005 and now 2009). There was no 
> Moldovan state from 1918 to 1991, so it's illogical to speak of 
> elections there.
> 
> Yet two users, with whom I have tried to reason, keep adding back in the 
> dozen Supreme Soviet "elections" (1940-1990, only the last of which is 
> remotely notable), despite the fact that the Moldavian SSR was an 
> entirely different entity. So 
> far, Template:Moldovan_elections, Template:Ukrainian_elections 
> and Template:Russian_elections have been affected. This is dangerous: it 
> confuses the concept of independent state with that of SSR. Also, the 
> Baltics are next, and as Peters is fond of reminding us, there was no 
> Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania from 1940 to 1990 (at least none that held 
> elections).
> 
> So please, if you can think up a solution (either a separate line in the 
> template or a separate template altogether), I'd be most grateful.

Perhaps a good compromise is to specify in election templates which 
state the elections were in. So the Moldavian SSR and others elections 
would be listed in a separate line. One could even add a note within a 
template saying that Moldavian SSR was not an independent state.


-- 
Piotr Konieczny

"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in 
theory."

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