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Actually, one can easily do this in a legitimate way.

1. Look at the text (I now reverted) and make a few minor changes. Than it
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2. Make a comment at talk page. In case of voting at talk page support
someone you want to support.

Sane administrator would never object this.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Martin <martint20@gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree, we have to be really careful now, the Cartel will attempt to
> create all sorts of wikidrama to suck us into the vortex. Offliner is
> now grilling Vecrumba over his email to Sandstein
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vecrumba&diff=312866047&oldid=312829484
> implying something improper...
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:04 AM, radek szulga<rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'll keep an eye on it but keep in mind that this mind be the provocation
> > designed to turn it into "if you banned Russavia you got to ban one of
> them
> > too" situation.
> >
> > Radek
> >
> > 2009/9/9 Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Agree, although I do not think that improving an article can be viewed
> as
> >> "taunting" banned user.
> >>
> >> But I need some help. Offliner just came with vengeance and reverted all
> >> edits by me and others in Litvinenko.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:41 PM, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You (we) might want to be careful though - AE has a section about
> >>> "taunting" blocked/banned users and that can get you into serious
> trouble
> >>> (which is why we can't give Russavia DYK credit for the Nazi-Soviet
> parade).
> >>>
> >>> Radek
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2009/9/9 Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> I am done with AEROFLOT
> >>>>
> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot#Other_functions_of_Aeroflot
> >>>>
> >>>> Let's see his reaction.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:14 PM, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yeah, the man's got a shovel. Let him dig.
> >>>>> As to KNewman, that does look like some behind-the-scenes
> >>>>> conversations. If he's talking to people who know how this stuff
> works then
> >>>>> they should be telling him to back the hell off, quit insulting
> people, quit
> >>>>> insulting Sandstein (and Sandstein gets credit for being a straight
> up guy
> >>>>> in all of this, and in general) and to start acting remorseful, "I
> went over
> >>>>> the line..." etc. and then propose that instead of a ban he gets
> mentoring.
> >>>>> Let's just watch this for now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Radek
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2009/9/9 Martin <martint20@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Digwuren<digwuren@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 00:08, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 22:21, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >> wrote:
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> Man, Russavia is REALLY loosing it. I think the strategy now for
> >>>>>> >>> the
> >>>>>> >>> cartel is going to be to try and get one of us restricted in the
> >>>>>> >>> similar way
> >>>>>> >>> - since there's no way that after everything he said Russavia
> can
> >>>>>> >>> have his
> >>>>>> >>> ban revoked.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> Never say never.  If Irpen were around, there would now quite a
> bit
> >>>>>> >> of
> >>>>>> >> behind-the-scenes work done to convince Sandstein of his "error".
> >>>>>> >>  It may
> >>>>>> >> still happen.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > And here it comes: <
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Russavia&diff=prev&oldid=312849310
> >.
> >>>>>> >  I didn't expect KNewman.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Looks like Russavia is giving Colchicum a good spray too:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Russavia#Example_of_others_WP:BATTLE_-_topic_ban_be_damned
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm just going to keep quite and create a few new articles, Russavia
> >>>>>> is his own worse enemy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Martin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> Wikipedia statistics discussion list
> >>>>>> folks@wikipedometer.net
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Actually, one can easily do this in a legitimate way.<br><br>1. Look at the=
 text (I now reverted) and make a few minor changes. Than it will be harder=
 to revert again for him.<br><br>2. Make a comment at talk page. In case of=
 voting at talk page support someone you want to support.<br>
<br>Sane administrator would never object this.<br><br><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Martin <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:martint20@gmail.com">martint20@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
e:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I agree, we have =
to be really careful now, the Cartel will attempt to<br>
create all sorts of wikidrama to suck us into the vortex. Offliner is<br>
now grilling Vecrumba over his email to Sandstein<br>
<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Vecrumba&a=
mp;diff=3D312866047&amp;oldid=3D312829484" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wiki=
pedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Vecrumba&amp;diff=3D312866047&amp;o=
ldid=3D312829484</a><br>

implying something improper...<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:04 AM, radek szulga&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulg=
a@gmail.com">rsszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; I&#39;ll keep an eye on it but keep in mind that this mind be the prov=
ocation<br>
&gt; designed to turn it into &quot;if you banned Russavia you got to ban o=
ne of them<br>
&gt; too&quot; situation.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Radek<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2009/9/9 Andrei Dombay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail.com">wi=
kibiophys@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Agree, although I do not think that improving an article can be vi=
ewed as<br>
&gt;&gt; &quot;taunting&quot; banned user.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; But I need some help. Offliner just came with vengeance and revert=
ed all<br>
&gt;&gt; edits by me and others in Litvinenko.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:41 PM, radek szulga &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:rsszulga@gmail.com">rsszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; You (we) might want to be careful though - AE has a section ab=
out<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;taunting&quot; blocked/banned users and that can get you=
 into serious trouble<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; (which is why we can&#39;t give Russavia DYK credit for the Na=
zi-Soviet parade).<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Radek<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; 2009/9/9 Andrei Dombay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail=
.com">wikibiophys@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I am done with AEROFLOT<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot#Other_fun=
ctions_of_Aeroflot" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot=
#Other_functions_of_Aeroflot</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Let&#39;s see his reaction.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:14 PM, radek szulga &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com">rsszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Yeah, the man&#39;s got a shovel. Let him dig.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; As to KNewman, that does look like some behind-the-sce=
nes<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; conversations. If he&#39;s talking to people who know =
how this stuff works then<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; they should be telling him to back the hell off, quit =
insulting people, quit<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; insulting Sandstein (and Sandstein gets credit for bei=
ng a straight up guy<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in all of this, and in general) and to start acting re=
morseful, &quot;I went over<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the line...&quot; etc. and then propose that instead o=
f a ban he gets mentoring.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Let&#39;s just watch this for now.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Radek<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2009/9/9 Martin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martint20@gmail.=
com">martint20@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Digwuren&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 00:08, Digwuren &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 22:21, radek szulg=
a &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com">rsszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Man, Russavia is REALLY loosing it. I=
 think the strategy now for<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; cartel is going to be to try and get =
one of us restricted in the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; similar way<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; - since there&#39;s no way that after=
 everything he said Russavia can<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; have his<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; ban revoked.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Never say never. =A0If Irpen were around,=
 there would now quite a bit<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; of<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; behind-the-scenes work done to convince S=
andstein of his &quot;error&quot;.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; =A0It may<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; still happen.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; And=A0here=A0it=A0comes:=A0&lt;<a href=3D"htt=
p://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Russavia&amp;diff=3Dprev=
&amp;oldid=3D312849310" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.p=
hp?title=3DUser_talk:Russavia&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D312849310</a>&gt;=
.<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; =A0I didn&#39;t expect KNewman.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Looks like Russavia is giving Colchicum a good spr=
ay too:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:=
Russavia#Example_of_others_WP:BATTLE_-_topic_ban_be_damned" target=3D"_blan=
k">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Russavia#Example_of_others_WP:BAT=
TLE_-_topic_ban_be_damned</a><br>

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;m just going to keep quite and create a few =
new articles, Russavia<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; is his own worse enemy.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Regards,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Martin<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br=
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<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">Regards,<br>
Martin<br>
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