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	Greece and Hungary more strength. Russia wants to be a broker in SE
	Europe, because that is cheep and always pays dividends: there is always
	space to antagonize SEE peoples against each other, and win concessions
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	interested only in a piece of land like Transnistria when they have such
	geopolitical advantages to explore?.. Medvedev promised to get rid of
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How in God's name are they going to fare troops there over Ukrainian
territory? If they do, while not clear that they keep Transnistria, it would
be 100% clear that they loose Ukraine. That would unite Ukrainians against
foreign invasion! Unfortunately they are not so stupid to fall for that.
They are interested in keeping Ukraine within Russia's sphere of influence.
Plus, they don't need Transnistria by itself. Transnistria is a gate to
Balkans. First, it ties Moldova to Russia. By tieing Moldova, Romania's
foreign policy would be much more reluctant. That gives Russian supporters
in Bulgaria, Serbia, and even Greece and Hungary more strength. Russia wants
to be a broker in SE Europe, because that is cheep and always pays
dividends: there is always space to antagonize SEE peoples against each
other, and win concessions from all sides. Should I continue? How can
Russians possibly be interested only in a piece of land like Transnistria
when they have such geopolitical advantages to explore?..
Medvedev promised to get rid of Saakashvili. One way or another, that will
always remain their central goal. With Saakashvili gone, they can
explore instability and demoralization in Georgia, and eventually bring it
under their umbrella.

The only borders these guys would stop with physical involvement are those
of the former USSR. The smart (and only) way to counter this is to accept
Georgia into NATO. In all other situations, Putin et Co. has an advantage.

Plus, don't forget the old saying "a small victorious war helps bust the
government's outlook". Last time I checked there was an economic crisis in
Russia. Strengthening the government's outlook won't hurt. In addition it
can bust someone's carrier. Key words: "small victorious".

2009/7/6 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>

> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 19:19, <PetersJV@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transnistria&diff=prev&oldid=300343079
>>
>> It appears Russavia is branching out, or at least testing the waters.
>>
>
> Or worse, is preparing waters for Russia's attack on Moldova over
> Transnistria after Kavkaz-2009.  Since everybody expects that Russia will
> attack Georgia instead, Russia's involvement in Transnistria would be
> completely unexpected.
>
> --
> Andres Soolo
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How in God&#39;s name are they going to fare troops there over Ukrainian te=
rritory? If they do, while not clear that they keep Transnistria, it would =
be 100% clear that they loose Ukraine. That would unite Ukrainians against =
foreign invasion! Unfortunately they are not so stupid to fall for that. Th=
ey are interested in keeping Ukraine within Russia&#39;s sphere of influenc=
e. Plus, they don&#39;t need Transnistria by itself. Transnistria is a gate=
 to Balkans. First, it ties Moldova to Russia. By tieing Moldova, Romania&#=
39;s foreign policy would be much more reluctant. That gives Russian suppor=
ters in Bulgaria, Serbia, and even Greece and Hungary more strength. Russia=
 wants to be a broker in SE Europe, because that is cheep and always pays d=
ividends: there is always space to antagonize SEE peoples against each othe=
r, and win concessions from all sides. Should I continue? How can Russians =
possibly be interested only in a piece of land like Transnistria when they =
have such geopolitical advantages to explore?..<div>
<br></div><div>Medvedev promised to get rid of Saakashvili. One way or anot=
her, that will always remain their central goal. With Saakashvili gone, the=
y can explore=A0instability and=A0demoralization in Georgia, and eventually=
 bring it under their umbrella.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>The only borders these guys would stop with physical in=
volvement are those of the former USSR. The smart (and only) way to counter=
 this is to accept Georgia into NATO. In all other situations, Putin et Co.=
 has an advantage.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>Plus, don&#39;t forget the old saying &quot;a small vic=
torious war helps bust the government&#39;s outlook&quot;. Last time I chec=
ked there was an economic crisis in Russia. Strengthening the government&#3=
9;s outlook won&#39;t hurt. In addition it can bust someone&#39;s carrier. =
Key words: &quot;small victorious&quot;.</div>
<div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/7/6 Digwuren <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
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px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 19:19, =
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:PetersJV@aol.com" target=3D"_blank=
">PetersJV@aol.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:#000000;font-family:Arial"><font face=3D=
"Arial" color=3D"#000000" size=3D"2">
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p;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D300343079" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.=
org/w/index.php?title=3DTransnistria&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D300343079<=
/a></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>It appears Russavia is branching out, or at least testing the waters.<=
/div></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Or worse, is prepa=
ring waters for Russia&#39;s attack on Moldova over Transnistria after Kavk=
az-2009. =A0Since everybody expects that Russia will attack Georgia instead=
, Russia&#39;s involvement in Transnistria would be completely unexpected.<=
/div>

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