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	involves overwhelming the opponent's revert > count. To do this, we'd
	have to coördinate at the level of determining a > day and consistently
	revert him (and the rest of the Cartel) until 3RR kicks > in. The
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	need less > coördination, and I believe the Cartel's organisation is
	such that the only > serious risk of losing such polls is when the
	Cartel can claim that Russia > is being cast in bad light. > > In
	interest of practicing, I propose we start by holding a poll on whether
	> Latvia is to be included in [[Ethnocracy]]. This front doesn't involve
	> Offliner directly, the Cartel being represented by PasswordUsername
	and > Shotlandiya there, and it is probably hard to rally Russian
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Why do you think that PasswordUsername is RJ CG? Any hints? Does not look
like him to me.

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> it has become obvious Offliner  is attempting to do the classic dogfight,
> except on many fronts at once.  He's well-versed in the policies that are
> actually enforced, and at the current intensity, the editwars can go on f=
or
> a long time.  This means, under the current conditions, this battle is no=
t
> winnable.  A better tactic is needed.
>
> One of the classic tactics involves overwhelming the opponent's revert
> count.  To do this, we'd have to co=F6rdinate at the level of determining=
 a
> day and consistently revert him (and the rest of the Cartel) until 3RR ki=
cks
> in.  The obvious downside is that a tight series of reverts such as this =
has
> the risk of catching administrative attention, with all the consequent
> risks.
>
> How about we try to demonstrate consensus?  Straw polls seem to be the
> easiest: they have less of a chance of degenerating into endless talk
> sessions because they have a semi-formal format; they need less
> co=F6rdination, and I believe the Cartel's organisation is such that the =
only
> serious risk of losing such polls is when the Cartel can claim that Russi=
a
> is being cast in bad light.
>
> In interest of practicing, I propose we start by holding a poll on whethe=
r
> Latvia is to be included in [[Ethnocracy]].  This front doesn't involve
> Offliner directly, the Cartel being represented by PasswordUsername and
> Shotlandiya there, and it is probably hard to rally Russian patriots arou=
nd
> this topic, as Ethnocracy has not been a dog-whistle term in Russian
> propaganda.  (I think it only became a battleground in the first place
> because Petri Krohn noticed it.)
>
> P. S.  I believe PasswordUsername is RJ CG, and I have strong suspicion
> that RJ CG is not Roobit, after all.  I think I have expressed this
> suspicion before, but I dropped it on-wiki because I was afraid that it
> might be confirmed, leading to RJ CG's unblocking.  Unfortunately, I don'=
t
> think I can get SPI to accept the PU-RJ CG connection :-(
>
> --
> Andres Soolo
>
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Why do you think that PasswordUsername is RJ CG? Any hints? Does not look l=
ike him to me. <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:=
09 PM, Digwuren <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com"=
>digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,<div><br></div=
><div>it has become obvious Offliner =A0is attempting to do the classic dog=
fight, except on many fronts at once. =A0He&#39;s well-versed in the polici=
es that are actually enforced, and at the current intensity, the editwars c=
an go on for a long time. =A0This means, under the current conditions, this=
 battle is not winnable. =A0A better tactic is needed.</div>

<div><br></div><div>One of the classic tactics involves overwhelming the op=
ponent&#39;s revert count. =A0To do this, we&#39;d have to co=F6rdinate at =
the level of determining a day and consistently revert him (and the rest of=
 the Cartel) until 3RR kicks in. =A0The obvious downside is that a tight se=
ries of reverts such as this has the risk of catching administrative attent=
ion, with all the consequent risks.</div>

<div><br></div><div>How about we try to demonstrate consensus? =A0Straw pol=
ls seem to be the easiest: they have less of a chance of degenerating into =
endless talk sessions because they have a semi-formal format; they need les=
s co=F6rdination, and I believe the Cartel&#39;s organisation is such that =
the only serious risk of losing such polls is when the Cartel can claim tha=
t Russia is being cast in bad light.</div>

<div><br></div><div>In interest of practicing, I propose we start by holdin=
g a poll on whether Latvia is to be included in [[Ethnocracy]]. =A0This fro=
nt doesn&#39;t involve Offliner directly, the Cartel being represented by P=
asswordUsername and Shotlandiya there, and it is probably hard to rally Rus=
sian patriots around this topic, as Ethnocracy has not been a dog-whistle t=
erm in Russian propaganda. =A0(I think it only became a battleground in the=
 first place because Petri Krohn noticed it.)</div>

<div><br></div><div>P. S. =A0I believe PasswordUsername is RJ CG, and I hav=
e strong suspicion that RJ CG is not Roobit, after all. =A0I think I have e=
xpressed this suspicion before, but I dropped it on-wiki because I was afra=
id that it might be confirmed, leading to RJ CG&#39;s unblocking. =A0Unfort=
unately, I don&#39;t think I can get SPI to accept the PU-RJ CG connection =
:-(</div>

<div><br></div><div>--=A0</div><div>Andres Soolo<br>
</div>
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