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On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 08:23, piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> wrote:

> People do not want to remember shameful incidents, like Jedwabne.
>

I think there's an Asimov's story where a fictional historian mentions this
law of metahistory.  Alas, I can't recall what it is, or what the law's name
was.

The notion of a good German is often mentioned, in fact the Poles have a
> better opinion of the Germans than of the Ukrainians, who are regarded as
> the cruelest. The Germans are often mentioned as cultural people, who would
> not steal and always ask before taking something. The Russians are regarded
> as Asiatic barbarians and savages, but at the same time, as funny people who
> did not know what a mirror was. Those who remember the war say that the
> worst were the Ukrainians, then the Germans, and then the Russians.
>

I don't have research to back it up, but these seem to be common stereotypes
in Estonia, too, with the exception of mirror incident.  In Estonian
legends, the Red Army fighters had trouble with watered toilets and had been
told that Estonia is suffering from hunger so the fresh fruit on grocery
stores' windows is actually made of gypsum.  There's also a quite
unforgettable, if polyversional, story of a Soviet general's wife attending
a ball in frilly underwear, which she had supposedly mistaken for a
particularly fine dress.

-- 
Andres Soolo

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 08:23, piotr micula <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:basiaipiotr@yahoo.com">basiaipiotr@yaho=
o.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td vali=
gn=3D"top" style=3D"font:inherit"><div>People do not want to remember shame=
ful incidents, like Jedwabne.</div></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote><=
div><br>
</div><div>I think there&#39;s an Asimov&#39;s story where a fictional hist=
orian mentions this law of metahistory. =C2=A0Alas, I can&#39;t recall what=
 it is, or what the law&#39;s name was.</div><div><br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex;">
<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td vali=
gn=3D"top" style=3D"font:inherit"><div>The=C2=A0notion of a good German is =
often mentioned, in fact the Poles have a better opinion of the Germans tha=
n of the Ukrainians, who are regarded as the=C2=A0cruelest. The Germans are=
 often mentioned as cultural people, who would not steal and always ask bef=
ore taking something. The Russians are regarded as Asiatic barbarians and s=
avages, but at the same time, as funny people who did not know what a mirro=
r was. Those who remember the war say that the worst were the Ukrainians, t=
hen the Germans, and then the Russians.</div>
</td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t have=
 research to back it up, but these seem to be common stereotypes in Estonia=
, too, with the exception of mirror incident. =C2=A0In Estonian legends, th=
e Red Army fighters had trouble with watered toilets and had been told that=
 Estonia is suffering from hunger so the fresh fruit on grocery stores&#39;=
 windows is actually made of gypsum. =C2=A0There&#39;s also a quite unforge=
ttable, if polyversional, story of a Soviet general&#39;s wife attending a =
ball in frilly underwear, which she had supposedly mistaken for a particula=
rly fine dress.</div>
<div><br></div></div>-- <br>Andres Soolo<br>

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