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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 20:28:58 +0200
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From: Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
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Sure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive=
_24#Towns.27_websites_as_a_source_for_history
(above was the biggest one)

Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources/archive_20#Web=
sites_of_towns

And here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive=
_24#Towns.27_websites_acceptable_as_a_temporary_source_for_history

So far Skapperod tried to counter them claiming they are non-reliable or
Self-published. Fringe accusation is new but hardly strong-he uses almost
exclusively German sources so it can be countered that he doesn't full
picture of scholary works.


W dniu 8 czerwca 2009 20:06 u=BFytkownik radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>n=
apisa=B3:

> "he took part in discussions on  RS noticeboard trying to ban Polish
> cities statements as source of information and the general opinion was
> against him."
>
> You have a diff for that? If not I'll go digging.
>
> 2009/6/8 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>:
> > Besides 3RR this also is usefull for RfC as Skapperod goes against
> > consensus-he took part in discussions on  RS noticeboard trying to ban
> > Polish cities statements as source of information and the general opini=
on
> > was against him. He uses the same arguments now he used then, which wer=
e
> > rejected by community.
> > Also-I think there is a template to indicate biased sources(that is
> > concentrated on one world location) it would be good to use as the
> Ko=B3obrzeg
> > article is now based on almost only German books.
> >
> > 2009/6/8 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
> >>
> >> Piotr Konieczny wrote:
> >> > radek szulga wrote:
> >> >> And I think Skap just reverted again after Tymek which would make i=
t
> 4
> >> >> - though it's hard to tell because of his editing style.
> >> >
> >> > I think he did; I don't have time right now to analyze this but if
> >> > somebody could do so it would be great. Remember: all it takes is to
> >> > show that he removed/restored something that was removed/restored by
> >> > others in a single article 4 times within 24h; those 4 edits don't
> need
> >> > to be the same.
> >>
> >> Here are 4 reverts - I don't have time to file a report myself; it
> >> should be noted that more reverts can be found in his recent edits on
> >> this page, although they fall in longer strings of edits mixed with
> >> non-reverts. Those four, however, are pretty clear:
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DKo%C5%82obrzeg&diff=3D2950527=
44&oldid=3D295039187
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DKo%C5%82obrzeg&diff=3D2950584=
75&oldid=3D295057425
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DKo%C5%82obrzeg&diff=3D2950584=
75&oldid=3D295057425
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DKo%C5%82obrzeg&diff=3D2951429=
20&oldid=3D295141645
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Prokonsul Piotrus aka Piotr Konieczny       |||____  __ __
> >>                                       I=3DI=3D=3D=3D=3D__|_|I__I=3D>
> >> "Lennier, get us the hell out of here."     |||
> >> "Initiating 'getting the hell out of here' maneuver."
> >>  -- Ivanova and Lennier in Babylon 5:"The Hour of the Wolf"
> >>
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Sure:<br><br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sou=
rces/Noticeboard/Archive_24#Towns.27_websites_as_a_source_for_history">http=
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_24#=
Towns.27_websites_as_a_source_for_history</a><br>
(above was the biggest one)<br><br>Here:<br><br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipe=
dia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources/archive_20#Websites_of_towns">=
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources/archive_20#Web=
sites_of_towns</a><br>
<br>And here:<br><br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reli=
able_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_24#Towns.27_websites_acceptable_as_a_tempo=
rary_source_for_history">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_so=
urces/Noticeboard/Archive_24#Towns.27_websites_acceptable_as_a_temporary_so=
urce_for_history</a><br>
<br>So far Skapperod tried to counter them claiming they are non-reliable o=
r Self-published. Fringe accusation is new but hardly strong-he uses almost=
 exclusively German sources so it can be countered that he doesn&#39;t full=
 picture of scholary works.<br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">W dniu 8 czerwca 2009 20:06 u=BFytkownik=
 radek szulga <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com">r=
sszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> napisa=B3:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0=
pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">&quot;he took part in discussions on =A0RS noticeboard tr=
ying to ban Polish<br>
cities statements as source of information and the general opinion was<br>
against him.&quot;<br>
<br>
</div>You have a diff for that? If not I&#39;ll go digging.<br>
<br>
2009/6/8 Molobo Molobo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">&gt; Besides 3RR this also is usefull for=
 RfC as Skapperod goes against<br>
&gt; consensus-he took part in discussions on=A0 RS noticeboard trying to b=
an<br>
&gt; Polish cities statements as source of information and the general opin=
ion<br>
&gt; was against him. He uses the same arguments now he used then, which we=
re<br>
&gt; rejected by community.<br>
&gt; Also-I think there is a template to indicate biased sources(that is<br=
>
&gt; concentrated on one world location) it would be good to use as the Ko=
=B3obrzeg<br>
&gt; article is now based on almost only German books.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2009/6/8 Piotr Konieczny &lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Piotr Konieczny wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; radek szulga wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; And I think Skap just reverted again after Tymek which wo=
uld make it 4<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; - though it&#39;s hard to tell because of his editing sty=
le.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; I think he did; I don&#39;t have time right now to analyze th=
is but if<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; somebody could do so it would be great. Remember: all it take=
s is to<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; show that he removed/restored something that was removed/rest=
ored by<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; others in a single article 4 times within 24h; those 4 edits =
don&#39;t need<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; to be the same.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Here are 4 reverts - I don&#39;t have time to file a report myself=
; it<br>
&gt;&gt; should be noted that more reverts can be found in his recent edits=
 on<br>
&gt;&gt; this page, although they fall in longer strings of edits mixed wit=
h<br>
&gt;&gt; non-reverts. Those four, however, are pretty clear:<br>
&gt;&gt; *<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DKo%C5%82obr=
zeg&amp;diff=3D295052744&amp;oldid=3D295039187" target=3D"_blank">http://en=
.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DKo%C5%82obrzeg&amp;diff=3D295052744&amp;=
oldid=3D295039187</a><br>

&gt;&gt; *<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DKo%C5%82obr=
zeg&amp;diff=3D295058475&amp;oldid=3D295057425" target=3D"_blank">http://en=
.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DKo%C5%82obrzeg&amp;diff=3D295058475&amp;=
oldid=3D295057425</a><br>

&gt;&gt; *<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DKo%C5%82obr=
zeg&amp;diff=3D295058475&amp;oldid=3D295057425" target=3D"_blank">http://en=
.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DKo%C5%82obrzeg&amp;diff=3D295058475&amp;=
oldid=3D295057425</a><br>

&gt;&gt; *<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DKo%C5%82obr=
zeg&amp;diff=3D295142920&amp;oldid=3D295141645" target=3D"_blank">http://en=
.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DKo%C5%82obrzeg&amp;diff=3D295142920&amp;=
oldid=3D295141645</a><br>

&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt; Prokonsul Piotrus aka Piotr Konieczny =A0 =A0 =A0 |||____ =A0__ __=
<br>
&gt;&gt; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 I=3DI=3D=3D=3D=3D__|_|I__I=3D&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &quot;Lennier, get us the hell out of here.&quot; =A0 =A0 |||<br>
&gt;&gt; &quot;Initiating &#39;getting the hell out of here&#39; maneuver.&=
quot;<br>
&gt;&gt; =A0-- Ivanova and Lennier in Babylon 5:&quot;The Hour of the Wolf&=
quot;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
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