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Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:25:35 -0500
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From: radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
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I was gonna give Krzyzowiec as an example of Polish crazy nationalist
(though he makes the standard neo nazi excuses that he is only a
"patriot" and "just proud of his heritage" or whatever) but Piotrus
beat me to it. I've also been seeing an account from "GorliwyPolak"
but I have my suspicions that that may be an agent provocateur account
- right before GorliwyPolak there was GorliwyLitwin whose editing
style was very reminiscent of Dr. Dan's (who's ideology seems to be
trolling for trolling's sake).

I agree that the idea of Nationalism is a continuum not a either/or
type of thing. Some moderate amount of nationalism is fine and
commendable even. I mean, sure, when Poland plays Germany in football
I cheer for Poland. But there's a lot of double standards on wiki
here. German nationalists like Skapperod or Karasek basically want to
rewrite the history of Polish cities and places to say that these are
German and hint that they'll be German again some day. Poles just want
the fact that Poland and Lithuania (and my family's actually from
Lithuania) share a common history mentioned somewhere in the relevant
article but Lithuanian nationalists like M.K and Lokyz try to purge
any mentionining of Polishness and write articles in support of
Lithuanian extremist organizations (in addition to being simply plain
assholes). Germans want articles on Polish cities to be named in
German, Poles want articles on Lithuanian cities to just mention
somewhere that Lithuanian Poles or Polish Lithuanians or mixed breeds
lived/live there at some point. It's a matter of degree but somehow
opposing the first and supporting the second makes you a Polish
nationalist.

Radek


2009/6/14 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 19:48, Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> My impression was that any mention of German war crimes Germany
>> related facts(for example Herero Genocide) was categorised as
>> expression 'Polish nationalism'.
>
> Nationalism is a fuzzy concept. =A0 It covers potentially a wide field of
> distinguishable meanings. =A0Unfortunately, many people don't realise thi=
s,
> and tend to treat different forms of nationalism as though they were
> equivalent. =A0Some people, to the contrary, deliberately conflate differ=
ent
> forms of nationalism.
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk:2008_South_Ossetia_war&=
diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D296049496>
> is an example of FeelSunny attempting to ascribe an extreme form of
> nationalism to his opponents. =A0People with such extreme beliefs are rar=
e,
> but they can form the bulk of the stereotypes.
> --
> Andres Soolo
>
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