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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:34:43 +0200
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The Soviet lies are always based on half-truths.

The actual situation was that Nazi Germany did in fact proposed to
Poland to join Anti-Comintern pact and later exchange Gda=F1sk and
Polish corridor for parts of Ukraine in future war against SU. But
Poland refused to this idea seeing it as begining of territorial and
political demands that eventually would lead to Poland becoming a
puppet of Nazi Germany. They were not exactly wrong, as Hitler in his
most beneficiall visions of future Europe in regards to Poland wanted
to annex whole Western Poland, while leaving a rump German-dependent
state. Also Ukraine was to serve as counter-balance to Poland
antagonising the two puppets and nations, so Germans would be able to
use "divide and rule" strategy in Central Europe.
Of course this was just one of many early ideas-German plans changed
often during the course of the war, and above olan was dropped when
Poland rejected the proposals.
As to Japan-it is true that Poland had intelligence links with
Japanese as both countries were afraid of USSR and intelligence
connections were strong even before 1914 with Pilsudski's camp having
established contacts with Japanese Empire.

All the above can be sourced and in fact is quite known to historians
dealing with that period.

The bottom line is though that Poland never came with the idea in the
first place, nor did it agree to such plans.

Also Russians report that SU regained "Russian lands that belonged to
Russian Empire prior 1918" which is of course a lie, as SU took part
of former Austrian Partition(for example Lviv).

2009/6/27 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>:
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 08:44, Martin <martint20@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What are the odds they will find evidence in the Soviet archives
>> pinning the blame on Poland for the M-R pact....
>
> In fact, the article already says that the HTC's representative said that
> Poland approached Nazi Germany in 1937 with a proposal to split up Ukraine
> between Poland and Germany, so that Poland would reach from Baltic sea to
> Black sea. Supposedly, this would show Polish government's
> "Nazi-mindedness". It's probably a misinterpretation of the [[Mi=EAdzymor=
ze]]
> saga, possibly akin to Molotov's accusations against Estonia and Latvia.
> Also, they will indubitably "discover" that USA's long-standing policy of
> isolationism, only discarded after the Pearl Harbour bombing, was merely a
> ruse for world domination through aggression.
> --
> Andres Soolo
>
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