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Good point Radek. We may have to get ready for the "battle" because it will not be easy.
I can only imagine the outcry of the usual German editors..
Jacek

--- On Thu, 7/9/09, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:


From: radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [WPM] Expulsion/repatriation/transfer of Poles after WWII
To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 2:41 PM


Hmm, reading some of that discussion I think some of us might disagree on what the appropriate term is. But regardless I agree with Piotrus that it isn't going to be possible to change expulsion to repatriation in the German case and so for consistency and NPOV it should be the same in the case of Kresy.

Radek



2009/7/9 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>

It's actually correct though that both were population transfers from
the point of view of international law.
The Germans however were more successfull then Poles to present their
POV to Western opinion...

2009/7/9 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>:



> Seems like a new controversy is starting:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polish_Population_transfers_(1944%E2%80%931946)&action=history
>
> See also
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Poles
> and its talk page where the matter was discussed and
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles
> (just created the disambig)
>
> As I see it, there are two big arguments here:
> * the naming of post-WWII population transfer should be the same, for
> consistency and NPOV
> * the naming should correspond with academic usage
> My past research into this, unfortunately, shows that the two above are
> in this case contradicting one another :(
>
> Strategically, it will be easier to move (rename) the Polish topic than
> the German, even through the "X population transfers" may be the best
> (most neutral) option.
>
> --
> Piotr Konieczny
>
> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
> theory."
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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Good point Radek. We may have to get ready for the "battle" because it will not be easy.</DIV>
<DIV>I can only imagine the outcry of the usual German editors..</DIV>
<DIV>Jacek<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 7/9/09, radek szulga <I>&lt;rsszulga@gmail.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: radek szulga &lt;rsszulga@gmail.com&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [WPM] Expulsion/repatriation/transfer of Poles after WWII<BR>To: "Wikipedia statistics" &lt;folks@wikipedometer.net&gt;<BR>Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 2:41 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv1499516155>Hmm, reading some of that discussion I think some of us might disagree on what the appropriate term is. But regardless I agree with Piotrus that it isn't going to be possible to change expulsion to repatriation in the German case and so for consistency and NPOV it should be the same in the case of Kresy.<BR><BR>Radek<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2009/7/9 Molobo Molobo <SPAN dir=ltr>&lt;<A href="http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=molobus@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.com</A>&gt;</SPAN><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">It's actually correct though that both were population transfers from<BR>the point of view of international law.<BR>The Germans however were more successfull then Poles to present their<BR>POV to Western opinion...<BR><BR>2009/7/9 Piotr Konieczny &lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;:<BR>
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<DIV class=h5>&gt; Seems like a new controversy is starting:<BR>&gt; <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polish_Population_transfers_%281944%E2%80%931946%29&amp;action=history" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polish_Population_transfers_(1944%E2%80%931946)&amp;action=history</A><BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; See also<BR>&gt; <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Poles" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Poles</A><BR>&gt; and its talk page where the matter was discussed and<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles</A><BR>&gt; (just created the disambig)<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; As I see it, there are two big arguments here:<BR>&gt; * the naming of post-WWII population transfer should be the same, for<BR>&gt; consistency and NPOV<BR>&gt; * the naming should correspond
 with academic usage<BR>&gt; My past research into this, unfortunately, shows that the two above are<BR>&gt; in this case contradicting one another :(<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Strategically, it will be easier to move (rename) the Polish topic than<BR>&gt; the German, even through the "X population transfers" may be the best<BR>&gt; (most neutral) option.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; --<BR>&gt; Piotr Konieczny<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in<BR>&gt; theory."<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; _______________________________________________<BR>&gt; Wikipedia statistics discussion list<BR>&gt; <A href="http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=folks@wikipedometer.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net">folks@wikipedometer.net</A><BR>&gt; <A href="http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks" target=_blank
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