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Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:48:06 +0200
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From: Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
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	of nationalism in Poland. My impression was that any mention of German
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The funny thing is that I am very opposed to the idea of Polish
nationalism and actually tried to stay away from the Kresy topics, and
the whole debates about Lviv, Vilnius which are core points of
nationalism in Poland.
My impression was that any mention of German war crimes Germany
related facts(for example Herero Genocide) was categorised as
expression 'Polish nationalism'.
Likewise note that any information about Polish presence or history of
areas that in the past became German is presented by German users such
as Karasek or Skapperod as 'lies', 'communist propaganda' and 'Polish
nationalism'.

2009/6/14 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>:
> Miacek and his crime-fighting dog wrote:
>> You seem to have rather well familiarized yourself with different
>> types of German nationalist, Neo-Nazi, Holocaust denial accounts and
>> similar trolls in Wiki. Do you happen to recall some Polish
>> nationalists, too, whom you've encountered here in wiki?
>
> One editor who comes to mind as the best case study of true Polish
> nationalist on en wiki is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Krzyzowiec
> He represented the Polish far right neo-Nazi/endencja fringe
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Revival_of_Poland) - pro-Radio
> Maryja, pro-endecja*, anti-semitic, anti-liberal, etc. Due to the
> extreme form of some of his edits, incivility and edit warring, he got a
> 1-year ban that will expire in November.
>
> The pro-Silesia faction that Molobo mentioned is represented by
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:LUCPOL
> His English are poor, and hence he is not very active here.
>
> And then there is the infamous
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Serafin
> but to be honest, I know little about him. He was never involved in
> Polish community, and seems be content creating socks to edit war on
> Copernicus and such. Still, due to his activity, he is somewhat known.
> He was banned and discussed mostly without my knowledge (or regret),
> which also proves the importance of being a part of a community/cabal if
> one wants to successfully edit controversial articles.
>
> Finally, it may be interesting to try to analyze why editors such as
> Molobo, Halibutt (great loss to Wikipedia that he left...), or even
> myself are being called by some "Polish nationalists". In particular,
> our enemies seem to have successfully portrayed Molobo as a "Polish
> nationalist"; before Molobo comes back to Wikipedia, it is imperative
> that we figure out how this happened so that his new incarnation
> (whether it is in a year or sooner) will not get the same label.
>
> *the endecja issue is one where I think we could, if needed, try to
> create an impression of conflict among Polish wikipedians, as I know
> some of us are pro-endecja and others are anti-endecja. But I don't see
> much benefit from creating (an appearance of) such a conflict.
>
>
> --
> Piotr Konieczny
>
> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
> theory."
>
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