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I wrote to Thatcher before the incident with "Nashi", noticing my situation
with outing (he is also a checkuser and oversight). That is what he said:

"Well, I took care of DonaldDuck.  The outing link was in the talk page for
a very long time, making it difficult to oversight.  In the future, if you
revert immediately as notify Oversight-L it will be easier to remove.  I'll
think about the rest later.
If you do return under a new account, you will definitely need to stay away
from these issues and articles, but you would be welcome as an editor on
other topics."

"Returning under your old user name would of course be preferable.  Folks
should leave you alone if you change topics, and those that don't will be
obvious candidates for sanction."

_______________

It maybe time to briefly summarize what had happened.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. I filed a report on Offliner  without consulting with you. That was a
fatal mistake.   I did it because you actually know little abiut this user,
but it was him who made my life in WP unbearable (I could actually coexist
with R., PU and BF4 - no problem), so I felt that was mostly my personal
business and risk.

First victim of Offliner was
Pietervhuis<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pietervhuis>/Grey
Fox-9589 (he changed his real name to a nick after informing an admin), a
polite young men from Netherlands who left the project,  because he realised
that no negotiations with O. would be possible, even though P/G had little
problems negotiating with Kuban Kazak.

2. Offliner files two retaliation requests at the same day, and most
importantly, he mobilizes Jehochman  who enormously accelerated the conflict
(AbCom request, opening back the cases, and so on). He also attacks Piotrus.

3. Someone brings Thatcher attenion to article "Nashi", and so on.

4. Offliner now attakcs Piotrus at his talk page because he realized that
such attacks would be supported by Deacon, Jehochman and some others.

 Who is Offliner?
---------------------
 Looking at articles he created, he most probably connected to Russian
military-industrial complex and has regular business trips from Moscow to
Finland where he does something for this company:
Tecnomen_Lifetree<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tecnomen_Lifetree>(the
company is located in Espoo, the hometown of Petri_Khron; but Offliner
edited from Forssa), see this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Petri_Krohn/Archive

But Offliner is also related to Moscow military propagandists, it might be
even possible that he is one of the following people: Pukhov, Sardazyan or
Margelov:

I suggest to nominate for deletion (on the grounds of notability) the
following articles created by Offliner and look at his reaction:

Simon_Saradzhyan <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Saradzhyan>
Ruslan_Pukhov <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruslan_Pukhov>
Sergei_Markedonov <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Markedonov>
Centre_for_Analysis_of_Strategies_and_Technologies<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_for_Analysis_of_Strategies_and_Technologies>
Moscow_Defense_Brief <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Defense_Brief>

These articles refer to each other, and notability not established (the
single ref in NYT does not mean notability - this is like creating an
article about a scientist who has been only once cited).

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I wrote to Thatcher before the incident with &quot;Nashi&quot;, noticing my
situation with outing (he is also a checkuser and oversight). That is
what he said:<br>
<br>
&quot;Well, I took care of DonaldDuck. =A0The outing link was in the talk p=
age
for a very long time, making it difficult to oversight. =A0In the future,
if you revert immediately as notify Oversight-L it will be easier to
remove. =A0I&#39;ll think about the rest later.
<div>
<br></div>
<div>If you do return under a new account, you will
definitely need to stay away from these issues and articles, but you
would be welcome as an editor on other topics.&quot;<br>
<br>
&quot;Returning under your old user name would of course be preferable.
=A0Folks should leave you alone if you change topics, and those that
don&#39;t will be obvious candidates for sanction.&quot;<br>
<br>
_______________<br>
<br>
It maybe time to briefly summarize what had happened.<br>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---<br>
1. I filed a report on Offliner=A0 without consulting with you. That was
a fatal mistake. =A0 I did it because you actually know little abiut this u=
ser,
but it was him who made my life in WP unbearable (I could actually
coexist with R., PU and BF4 - no problem), so I felt that was mostly my
personal business and risk. <br>
<br>
First victim of Offliner was <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:P=
ietervhuis" title=3D"User:Pietervhuis" target=3D"_blank">Pietervhuis</a>/Gr=
ey
Fox-9589
(he changed his real name to a nick after informing an admin),
a polite young men from Netherlands who left the project,=A0 because he
realised that no negotiations with O. would be possible, even though
P/G had little problems negotiating with Kuban Kazak. <br>
<br>
2. Offliner files two retaliation requests at the same day, and most import=
antly, he mobilizes Jehochman=A0 who enormously accelerated the conflict (A=
bCom request, opening back the cases, and so on). He also attacks Piotrus.<=
br>
<br>3. Someone brings Thatcher attenion to article &quot;Nashi&quot;, and s=
o on. <br><br>4. Offliner now attakcs Piotrus at his talk page because he r=
ealized that such attacks would be supported by Deacon, Jehochman and some =
others.=A0 =A0 <br>
<br>=A0Who is Offliner?<br>---------------------<br>=A0Looking at articles =
he created, he
most probably connected to Russian military-industrial complex and has regu=
lar business trips from Moscow to Finland where he does something for this =
company: <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tecnomen_Lifetree">Tecnome=
n_Lifetree</a> (the company is located in Espoo, the hometown of Petri_Khro=
n; but Offliner edited from Forssa), see this:=A0 <br>
<br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigat=
ions/Petri_Krohn/Archive">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet=
_investigations/Petri_Krohn/Archive</a><br><br>But Offliner is also related=
 to Moscow military propagandists, it might be even possible that he is one=
 of the following people: Pukhov, Sardazyan or Margelov:<br>
<br>I suggest to nominate for deletion (on the grounds of notability) the f=
ollowing articles created by Offliner and look at his reaction: <br><br><a =
href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Saradzhyan">Simon_Saradzhyan</a>=
<br>
<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruslan_Pukhov">Ruslan_Pukhov</a><br=
><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Markedonov">Sergei_Markedon=
ov</a><br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_for_Analysis_of_St=
rategies_and_Technologies">Centre_for_Analysis_of_Strategies_and_Technologi=
es</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Defense_Brief">Moscow_Defens=
e_Brief</a><br><br>These articles refer to each other, and notability not e=
stablished (the single ref in NYT does not mean notability - this is like c=
reating an article about a scientist who has been only once cited).<br>
=A0=A0 <br></div>

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