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On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 02:37, Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com> wrote:

> - peace in the Middle East can be achieved if parties drop preconditions,
> giving an explicit example: it is pointless to ask for the return of the
> Golan Heights as a precondition for discussions, since it is obviously clear
> that question number one in any bilateral discussions would be Golan
> Heights.
>

It's an euphemism.  What it means is "Peace can be achieved once the parties
will start talking to each other instead of making up excuses why they can
not talk."  On both sides of the border, speaking to people on the other
side is relatively unpopular, so the situation is somewhat similar to why
nobody but Nixon could repair US-China relations.  Alas, the two Nixons --
an Israeli one and a Palestinian one -- do not appear to have appeared yet.

- support for the EU and NATO integration of the western Balkan countries
> without any differences: support all countries indiscriminantly, and when a
> country is ready it should get in
>

... and this will be very controversial.  :(

The Balkan countries have complex -- and at times, ugly -- recent histories,
and each of them has a lot of people already in EU who consider it demonic
and unsuitable to EU.  People tend to forget that EU accession does not work
haphazardly and indiscriminately; instead, the possibility of eventual
accession will keep the countries motivated to build up reasonable
infrastructure and governance, even to significantly reduce corruption --
and after a decade of such work with proper support and aid, most countries
in the pre-accession talks manage to significantly reduce their risky
baggage.

- support Serbia's territorial integrity at the International Court of
> Justice, re-stating that Romania does not recognize Kosovo
>

It will be interesting to see what will become of Kosovo by 2020.  On one
hand, it can become a thriving Balkan country.  On another, it may become
something akin to Transnistria.

So far, I'm cautiously optimistic.

- support Moldova's EU integration in the package with the western Balkans,
> and not in the package with Ukraine, Turkey and other possible candidates.
>

What does this mean, in practical terms?

-- 
Andres Soolo

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 02:37, Dorin Cheptea <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dorin.cheptea@gmail.com">dorin.cheptea@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>- peace in the Middle East can be achieved if parties drop preconditio=
ns, giving an explicit example: it is pointless to ask for the return of th=
e Golan Heights as a precondition for discussions, since it is obviously cl=
ear that question number one in any bilateral discussions would be Golan He=
ights.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s an euphemism. =C2=A0What it means=
 is &quot;Peace can be achieved once the parties will start talking to each=
 other instead of making up excuses why they can not talk.&quot; =C2=A0On b=
oth sides of the border, speaking to people on the other side is relatively=
 unpopular, so the situation is somewhat similar to why nobody but Nixon co=
uld repair US-China relations. =C2=A0Alas, the two Nixons -- an Israeli one=
 and a Palestinian one -- do not appear to have appeared yet.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div></div>
<div>- support for the EU and NATO integration of the western Balkan countr=
ies without any differences: support all countries indiscriminantly, and wh=
en a country is ready it should get in</div></blockquote><div><br></div>
<div>... and this will be very controversial. =C2=A0:(</div><div><br></div>=
<div>The Balkan countries have complex -- and at times, ugly -- recent hist=
ories, and each of them has a lot of people already in EU who consider it d=
emonic and unsuitable to EU. =C2=A0People tend to forget that EU accession =
does not work haphazardly and indiscriminately; instead, the possibility of=
 eventual accession will keep the countries motivated to build up reasonabl=
e infrastructure and governance, even to significantly reduce corruption --=
 and after a decade of such work with proper support and aid, most countrie=
s in the pre-accession talks manage to significantly reduce their risky bag=
gage.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div></div><div>- support Se=
rbia&#39;s territorial integrity at the International Court of Justice, re-=
stating that Romania does not recognize Kosovo</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>It will be interesting to see what will be=
come of Kosovo by 2020. =C2=A0On one hand, it can become a thriving Balkan =
country. =C2=A0On another, it may become something akin to Transnistria.</d=
iv><div>
<br></div><div>So far, I&#39;m cautiously optimistic.</div><div><br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>- support Moldova&#39;s EU integration =
in the package with the western Balkans, and not in the package with Ukrain=
e, Turkey and other possible candidates.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>What does this mean, in practical terms?</=
div><div><br></div></div>-- <br>Andres Soolo<br>

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