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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:33:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: "O. G." <hillock@yahoo.ca>
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	Content preview: I was just wondering how many apologizing does it take
	to put this thing behind us? People keep forgetting that issue of UPA
	is
	very divisive in Ukraine and it runs along linguistic and geopolitical
	divisions as well. There are millions of Ukrainians who will always
	regard UPA as heroes in spite of everything, just because in Western
	Ukraine every other family was associated with them in some way or
	suffered collective punishment for their activities. Yet on the state
	level UPA is still not recognized as the WWII participant. I am from
	central Ukraine and have nothing to do with UPA but still consider them
	heroes just as the Red Army vets, because millions of my compatriots do
	so on both sides of the divide. There are different views on this in
	every family, people don't bring it up in company. It is EXTREMELY
	divisive and volatile topic, interference of outsiders in this brings it
	to the whole new level. I only hope Poland won't be playing the UPA
	card
	as Russia has for so many years. It will be devastating for both
	peoples. [...] 
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	Content preview:  I was just wondering how many apologizing does it take
	to put this thing behind us? People keep forgetting that issue of UPA is
	very divisive in Ukraine and it runs along linguistic and geopolitical
	divisions as well. There are millions of Ukrainians who will always
	regard UPA as heroes in spite of everything, just because in Western
	Ukraine every other family was associated with them in some way or
	suffered collective punishment for their activities. Yet on the state
	level UPA is still not recognized as the WWII participant. I am from
	central Ukraine and have nothing to do with UPA but still consider them
	heroes just as the Red Army vets, because millions of my compatriots do
	so on both sides of the divide. There are different views on this in
	every family, people don't bring it up in company. It is EXTREMELY
	divisive and volatile topic, interference of outsiders in this brings it
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I was just wondering how many apologizing does it take to put this thing behind us? People keep forgetting that issue of UPA is very divisive in Ukraine and it runs along linguistic and geopolitical divisions as well. There are millions of Ukrainians who will always regard UPA as heroes in spite of everything, just because in Western Ukraine every other family was associated with them in some way or suffered collective punishment for their activities. Yet on the state level UPA is still not recognized as the WWII participant. I am from central Ukraine and have nothing to do with UPA but still consider them heroes just as the Red Army vets, because millions of my compatriots do so on both sides of the divide. There are different views on this in every family, people don't bring it up in company. It is EXTREMELY divisive and volatile topic, interference of outsiders in this brings it to the whole new level. I only hope Poland won't be playing the UPA card
 as Russia has for so many years. It will be devastating for both peoples.

--- On Mon, 8/3/09, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl> wrote:

> From: Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek and others.
> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Received: Monday, August 3, 2009, 6:42 AM
> O. G. wrote:
> > But in spite of that, for millions of Ukrainians UPA
> always will be heroes, because they fought for the freedom
> of their country. 
> 
> One men's terrorist is another men's hero, and there is no
> denying that. 
> This is also an attitude of many Lithuanian editors, and
> presumably a 
> sentiment shared more widely among the eastern countries. I
> can 
> understand and I cannot blame those who after Soviet
> repression saw 
> German Nazis as liberators. They couldn't know what was
> really going on.
> 
> Still, one should be able to admit one made a mistake. Just
> as Poles 
> should (and in some instances, did) apologize for the
> exceptional but 
> real massacres committed by AK and other Poles
> (Jedwabne...), so should 
> those who threw their lot in with the Nazis and worked with
> them 
> apologize for all the suffering that they caused.
> 
> Bottom line is that there is no white and black, there are
> always shades 
> of gray (but shades that can be sometimes compared!), and
> we have to 
> admit that many heroes were also, at the same time,
> criminals.
> 
> > PS I wouldn't be surprised if Russia were
> clandestinely financing people in Poland bringing this issue
> over and over again. Just a guess...
> 
> Good point, again. Let's not loose the sight of the bigger
> picture.
> 
> -- 
> Piotr Konieczny
> 
> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in
> reality, not in 
> theory."
> 
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