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Anything anti-Soviet that is simultaneously anti-Russian, and Mikkalai is on
"our" side.

But, both Mikkalai and Anonimu support the existence of a separate ethnicity
"Moldovans", and even of a separate language. That separate language is a
Stalinist invention we were able to let stay in the articles, Mikkalai
wasn't able to do much about it. With ethnicity we had to go more
delicately, with "Moldovans/Romanians" or "Moldovans (Romanians)". If it's
only MIkkalai around, he does not push this issue, but when others (Anonimu,
Xasha, Moldopodo) did, he joined them. On the other hand, Anonimu will be
pushing some die hard communist agenda (my suspicion is that his grandfather
had some ranking position in the Romanian Communist Party), and if we manage
to show it as obvious b*#$ s^%$, then Mikkalai won't defend him, and might
even act against Anonimu. But he might leave a door/window open for Anonimu
to escape and fight over again another time.
Be careful in dealing with Anonimu, because our opposition would be
desperate, hence they would try to sink us at a par with him. They cann't
possible pull it off that one of us gets "punished" and Anonimu doesn't. But
they will try to portray it as a content dispute where both sides have done
wrong. Therefore 1) let Anonimu show his anxiousness and make mistakes; if
you can, do tiny provocations subtle enough to look innocent outside but to
provoke exactly Anonimu , and 2) portray yourself as super-civilized and
coming forward, always open to discuss, etc, etc. Find 2-3 spots of solid
ground (thing communists would not be able to push over) and stand still. We
don't have to build a continuous defense line. A few spots to irritate
Anonimu should do the trick. (IMHO)


2009/6/15 Martin <martint20@gmail.com>

> There was never ever any suggestion of inviting him here, that would
> be a big, big mistake.
>
> Obviously the guy is a Russian nationalist, but if we can understand
> his psychology, then perhaps we could cultivate him rather than
> alienate him, and thus he could be useful for the occasional admin
> intervention when required.
>
> What's his relationship with Anonimu?
>
> Martin
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Christian
> Suciu<christiansuciu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > He may take some positions similar to ours, and he is most likely not
> part
> > of the Cartel, but we absolutely should not invite him here. Way too
> risky.
> > Conflicts with Romanian editors (including when I practically accused him
> of
> > being a Lukashenka agent, which I'm sure he didn't forget), moving
> Tighina
> > to [[Bendery]], and so forth.
> >
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<div>Anything anti-Soviet that is simultaneously anti-Russian, and Mikkalai=
 is on &quot;our&quot; side.</div><div><br></div>But, both Mikkalai and Ano=
nimu support the existence of a separate ethnicity &quot;Moldovans&quot;, a=
nd even of a separate language. That separate language is a Stalinist inven=
tion we were able to let stay in the articles, Mikkalai wasn&#39;t able to =
do much about it. With ethnicity we had to go more delicately, with &quot;M=
oldovans/Romanians&quot; or &quot;Moldovans (Romanians)&quot;. If it&#39;s =
only MIkkalai around, he does not push this issue, but when others (Anonimu=
, Xasha, Moldopodo) did, he joined them. On the other hand, Anonimu will be=
 pushing some die hard communist agenda (my suspicion is that his grandfath=
er had some ranking position in the Romanian Communist Party), and if we ma=
nage to show it as obvious b*#$ s^%$, then Mikkalai won&#39;t defend him, a=
nd might even act against Anonimu. But he might leave a door/window open fo=
r Anonimu to escape and fight over again another time.=A0<div>
<br></div><div>Be careful in dealing with Anonimu, because our opposition w=
ould be desperate, hence they would try to sink us at a par with him. They =
cann&#39;t possible pull it off that one of us gets &quot;punished&quot; an=
d Anonimu doesn&#39;t. But they will try to portray it as a content dispute=
 where both sides have done wrong. Therefore 1) let Anonimu show his anxiou=
sness and make mistakes; if you can, do tiny provocations subtle enough to =
look innocent outside but to provoke exactly Anonimu , and 2) portray yours=
elf as super-civilized and coming forward, always open to discuss, etc, etc=
. Find 2-3 spots of solid ground (thing communists would not be able to pus=
h over) and stand still. We don&#39;t have to build a continuous defense li=
ne. A few spots to irritate Anonimu should do the trick. (IMHO) =A0<div>
<br></div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/6/15 Martin <span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martint20@gmail.com">martint20@gmail.com</a=
>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
There was never ever any suggestion of inviting him here, that would<br>
be a big, big mistake.<br>
<br>
Obviously the guy is a Russian nationalist, but if we can understand<br>
his psychology, then perhaps we could cultivate him rather than<br>
alienate him, and thus he could be useful for the occasional admin<br>
intervention when required.<br>
<br>
What&#39;s his relationship with Anonimu?<br>
<br>
Martin<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Christian<br>
<div class=3D"im">Suciu&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:christiansuciu@yahoo.com">chri=
stiansuciu@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">&gt; He may take some positions sim=
ilar to ours, and he is most likely not part<br>
&gt; of the Cartel, but we absolutely should not invite him here. Way too r=
isky.<br>
&gt; Conflicts with Romanian editors (including when I practically accused =
him of<br>
&gt; being a Lukashenka agent, which I&#39;m sure he didn&#39;t forget), mo=
ving Tighina<br>
&gt; to [[Bendery]], and so forth.<br>
&gt;<br>
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