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	It was once more neutral but Skapperod throughoutly manipulated into a
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	I do have a plan how to do rhat-focus on history first, mention Polish
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	were in Prussia or Germany). All the POV critical statements moved to
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	where possible. NOTE-this article does constitute a core of Skapperod's
	propaganda efforts. He will do *anything* to keep it this way and to
	deny Polish history of the region, existance of Polish population or
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	were in Prussia or Germany). All the POV critical statements moved to
	Criticism section. Also some sources are not reliable enough that
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I have this article on things that will need changing. It was once more
neutral but Skapperod throughoutly manipulated into a propaganda piece to
present his POV-starting with the lead(*centuries of peacefull German
settlement*-give me a break). Just like expulsions article this needs to be
re-written completely with several new sources. I do have a plan how to do
rhat-focus on history first, mention Polish administrative units those
territories belonged to before falling to Germany(right now they are only
mentioned in the context of where they were in Prussia or Germany). All the
POV critical statements moved to Criticism section. Also some sources are
not reliable enough that Skapperod used.
Btw this map from 1917 drives Skapperod and Germans nuts:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Poland_1138_map.jpg
It was once in the article but they removed it and tried to erase from
anywhere where possible.
NOTE-this article does constitute a core of Skapperod's propaganda efforts.
He will do *anything* to keep it this way and to deny Polish history of the
region, existance of Polish population or present it as propaganda
There basically a series of articles that are vital to him:
Expulsion of Germans
Oder-Neisse Line
Pomerania and related articles
Recovered Territories.

All work on those articles requires a significant amount of time and
effort-all of them have been changed into propaganda pieces by Skapperod to
present a very German POV that tries to erase Polish history, present
Germans as victims and Poles as criminal nation.

I suggest we concentrate on one subject at the time in order not to waste
our efforts. I will complete the Oberlander article soon, and I think there
is no need to wait to publish it. What do you think ?


2009/8/4 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>:
> On other issues:
>
> 1. The exchange at Russian Influence Operations in Estonia is getting ...
> interesting. Keep Russavia talking. He's the sort that likes to score
> own-goals.
> 2. Skapperod is now going after [[Recovered territories]] and he's got an
> annoying source (apparently Western academic, sympathetic to Germany)
which
> he's milking for all its worth. I've done some minor holding back but some
> help would be helpful, particularly with sources - Molobo? Skap seems to
> have given up on the casualties section in Expulsions for now though I
still
> want to clarify that business about Gotthold Rhode in Haar's book since
this
> one looks like a total misrepresentation of the source by Skap.
>
> Radek
>
>
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I have this article on things that will need changing. It was once more neu=
tral but Skapperod throughoutly manipulated into a propaganda piece to pres=
ent his POV-starting with the lead(<i>centuries of peacefull German settlem=
ent</i>-give me a break). Just like expulsions article this needs to be re-=
written completely with several new sources. I do have a plan how to do rha=
t-focus on history first, mention Polish administrative units those territo=
ries belonged to before falling to Germany(right now they are only mentione=
d in the context of where they were in Prussia or Germany). All the POV cri=
tical statements moved to Criticism section. Also some sources are not reli=
able enough that Skapperod used.<br>
Btw this map from 1917 drives Skapperod and Germans nuts:<br><a href=3D"htt=
p://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Poland_1138_map.jpg">http://commons.wik=
imedia.org/wiki/File:Poland_1138_map.jpg</a><br>It was once in the article =
but they removed it and tried to erase from anywhere where possible.<br>
NOTE-this article does constitute a core of Skapperod&#39;s propaganda effo=
rts. He will do <b>anything</b> to keep it this way and to deny Polish hist=
ory of the region, existance of Polish population or present it as propagan=
da<br>
There basically a series of articles that are vital to him:<br>Expulsion of=
 Germans<br>Oder-Neisse Line<br>Pomerania and related articles<br>Recovered=
 Territories.<br><br>All work on those articles requires a significant amou=
nt of time and effort-all of them have been changed into propaganda pieces =
by Skapperod to present a very German POV that tries to erase Polish histor=
y, present Germans as victims and Poles as criminal nation.<br>
<br>I suggest we concentrate on one subject at the time in order not to was=
te our efforts. I will complete the Oberlander article soon, and I think th=
ere is no need to wait to publish it. What do you think ?<br><br><br>2009/8=
/4 radek szulga &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com">rsszulga@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;:<br>
&gt; On other issues:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 1. The exchange at Russian Influence =
Operations in Estonia is getting ...<br>&gt; interesting. Keep Russavia tal=
king. He&#39;s the sort that likes to score<br>&gt; own-goals.<br>&gt; 2. S=
kapperod is now going after [[Recovered territories]] and he&#39;s got an<b=
r>
&gt; annoying source (apparently Western academic, sympathetic to Germany) =
which<br>&gt; he&#39;s milking for all its worth. I&#39;ve done some minor =
holding back but some<br>&gt; help would be helpful, particularly with sour=
ces - Molobo? Skap seems to<br>
&gt; have given up on the casualties section in Expulsions for now though I=
 still<br>&gt; want to clarify that business about Gotthold Rhode in Haar&#=
39;s book since this<br>&gt; one looks like a total misrepresentation of th=
e source by Skap.<br>
&gt;<br>&gt; Radek<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; ________________________________=
_______________<br>&gt; Wikipedia statistics discussion list<br>&gt; <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net">folks@wikipedometer.net</a><br>&gt; <a=
 href=3D"http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks">http://wi=
kipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks</a><br>
&gt;<br>&gt;<br><br>

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