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Radek,

I would not trust Durova judgment too much. She insisted (almost ordered) me
to start a case against cslot, which did not work out well, despite of a
some degree of her support (did she promise to support you ?).  Perhaps this
is irrelevant, but I thought she had good relations with Jehochman. In
brief, they were together on some kind of a conference; she used his
computer to make a comment here, which accidently resulted in a signature
"Jehochman" (this thread is now deleted somewhere in Biophys-Commodore Sloat
case). Saying that, I have a very high regard for Durova based on her WP
work. She also semi-protected "Russian foreign intelligence" article from
editing by IPs from Russian SVR. As about the threatening phone calls to
her, I am sure that was true.

If you still want to start arbitration, one should do the following. Place
an official  RfC request (there are notice boards) about classifying "Nashi"
as an anti-fascist organization. Anyone new who appears after that will NOT
be considered a member of a Party. Then, when a consensus forms, you might
have a better argument.

My personal opinion: make such RfC, and then you might try to "appeal" the
sanctions to Arbcom, without accusing Tatcher of anything, and to contrary
emphasizing his contribution to resolving the problems, but painting
yourself as a random innocent victim.



On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:16 AM, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:

> Durova suggested that I file an appeal of my restriction on RFAR
> (that's this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RFAR right?)
> which if my final appeal to Thorsten (including my argument that it's
> best to settle this off wiki and avoid large scale drama) doesn't work
> is what I'm going to do early next week.
>
> We might want to talk a little bit about how to proceed and any advice
> on how to file these things are welcome.
> Note some things:
> -per the comment above I'm going to play the "neutral party" that
> became "collateral damage"
> -to make that appear credible I will have to distance myself from some
> of you and maybe even make some slightly critical remarks. I might say
> something like "...if you compare my clean blog with that of Digwurgen
> (sic) or Passwordname, you'll see that..."
>
> Radek
>
>
> 2009/6/27 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>:
> >> It's clear that Thatcher believes there are no innocents in the
> EE/Baltic
> >> saga, so that as soon as one agrees with one contention or the other
> along
> >> party lines, they are immediately inducted into the party of their
> choice.
> >> /Peters
> >
> > Hence, he's out to get the Evil Cabal, or possibly Evil Cabals, not
> specific
> > cases of misbehaviour.  So much for his worry that no Neutral Third
> Parties
> > showed up: they *couldn't*, because if they showed up, they would ipso
> > facto be non-neutral!
> > --
> > Andres Soolo
> >
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Radek,<br><br>I would not trust Durova judgment too much. She insisted (alm=
ost ordered) me to start a case against cslot, which did not work out well,=
 despite of a some degree of her support (did she promise to support you ?)=
.=A0  Perhaps this is irrelevant, but I thought she had good relations with=
  Jehochman. In brief, they were together on some kind of a conference; she=
 used his computer to make a comment here, which accidently resulted in a s=
ignature &quot;Jehochman&quot; (this thread is now deleted somewhere in Bio=
phys-Commodore Sloat case). Saying that, I have a very high regard for Duro=
va based on her WP work. She also semi-protected &quot;Russian foreign inte=
lligence&quot; article from editing by IPs from Russian SVR. As about the t=
hreatening phone calls to her, I am sure that was true.  <br>
<br>If you still want to start arbitration, one should do the following. Pl=
ace an official=A0 RfC request (there are notice boards) about classifying =
&quot;Nashi&quot; as an anti-fascist organization. Anyone new who appears a=
fter that will NOT be considered a member of a Party. Then, when a consensu=
s forms, you might have a better argument.  <br>
<br>My personal opinion: make such RfC, and then you might try to &quot;app=
eal&quot; the sanctions to Arbcom, without accusing Tatcher of anything, an=
d to contrary emphasizing his contribution to resolving the problems, but p=
ainting yourself as a random innocent victim.<br>
<br>=A0<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:16 AM, =
radek szulga <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com">rs=
szulga@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.=
8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Durova suggested that I file an appeal of my restriction on RFAR<br>
(that&#39;s this one: <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RFA=
R" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RFAR</a> right?=
)<br>
which if my final appeal to Thorsten (including my argument that it&#39;s<b=
r>
best to settle this off wiki and avoid large scale drama) doesn&#39;t work<=
br>
is what I&#39;m going to do early next week.<br>
<br>
We might want to talk a little bit about how to proceed and any advice<br>
on how to file these things are welcome.<br>
Note some things:<br>
-per the comment above I&#39;m going to play the &quot;neutral party&quot; =
that<br>
became &quot;collateral damage&quot;<br>
-to make that appear credible I will have to distance myself from some<br>
of you and maybe even make some slightly critical remarks. I might say<br>
something like &quot;...if you compare my clean blog with that of Digwurgen=
<br>
(sic) or Passwordname, you&#39;ll see that...&quot;<br>
<br>
Radek<br>
<br>
<br>
2009/6/27 Digwuren &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">&gt;&gt; It&#39;s clear that Thatcher bel=
ieves there are no innocents in the EE/Baltic<br>
&gt;&gt; saga, so that as soon as one agrees with one contention or the oth=
er along<br>
&gt;&gt; party lines, they are immediately inducted into the party of their=
 choice.<br>
&gt;&gt; /Peters<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hence, he&#39;s out to get the Evil Cabal, or possibly Evil Cabals, no=
t specific<br>
&gt; cases of misbehaviour. =A0So much for his worry that no Neutral Third =
Parties<br>
&gt; showed up: they *couldn&#39;t*, because if they showed up, they would =
ipso<br>
&gt; facto=A0be non-neutral!<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Andres Soolo<br>
&gt;<br>
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