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Piotrus, let us not forget about tens of thousands of Poles deported to Sib=
eria in 1940/1941. I would say that overall Polish population of Volhynia i=
n mid-1943, when the slaughter began, was perhaps around 10 - 12%.=20
=C2=A0
Also, there are scores of dates and locations of mass murders commited by=
=C2=A0the UIA. I have written about some of them, there are perhaps 40 stil=
l waiting to be translated. Now, how about locations and dates of atrocitie=
s commited by Poles in Volhynia? I am almost positive that more Ukrainians =
were killed by the UIA and Sluzhba Bezpeky, than by the AK.
=C2=A0
Tymek

--- On Sun, 8/2/09, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl> wrote:


From: Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek and others.
To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 9:26 PM


O. G. wrote:

> I was metioning national perspective on history, so for Ukrainians AK is =
just as murderous as=20
(snip)

Well, let's try to measure it, perhaps I'll learn something new. Per our=20
article, the number of Poles who died in Volhynia is ~80,000. Per=20
article on Wo=C5=82y=C5=84 Voivodeship (1921=E2=80=931939), in 1931 Wo=C5=
=82y=C5=84 Voivodeship had=20
the population of ~2,080,000 and based on historical demography of=20
Poland article, we can estimate that by 1939 the population has grown by=20
7-8%, so let's factor some war time loses and say that in 1942 it was=20
~2,200,000. 68% Ukrainian and 17% Poles (I'd like to draw those numbers=20
to the attention of some of our more emotional Polish colleagues...=20
Poles were a MINORITY at Kresy) gives us ~1,500,000 Ukrainians and=20
~375,000 Poles.

>From my own research and article on AK, roughly, in the years 1942-1943=20
AK numbered ~200,000-400,000 people, let's call it ~300,000.

Could you (or any other interested reader) provide numbers w/refs for.
* the number of Ukrainians murdered by AK
* estimate of UPA membership

I would like us to compare the following statistics:
* total number of victims by nationality
* total number of victims to total number of membership in an=20
organization committing the crimes
* total number of victims to total number of ethnic inhabitants of that=20
region before the war

If what you say is true, and AK was as murderous as UPA, the numbers=20
should show us a rough parity.

--=20
Piotr Konieczny

"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in=20
theory."

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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Piotrus, let us not forget about tens of=
 thousands of Poles deported to Siberia in 1940/1941. I would say that over=
all Polish population of Volhynia in mid-1943, when the slaughter began, wa=
s perhaps around 10 - 12%. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Also, there are scores of dates and locations of mass murders commited=
 by&nbsp;the UIA. I have written about some of them, there are perhaps 40 s=
till waiting to be translated. Now, how about locations and dates of atroci=
ties commited by Poles in Volhynia? I am almost positive that more Ukrainia=
ns were killed by the UIA and Sluzhba Bezpeky, than by the AK.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Tymek<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 8/2/09, Piotr Konieczny <I>&lt;piokon@post=
.pl&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Piotr Konieczny &lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;<BR>S=
ubject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek and others.<BR>To: "Wikiped=
ia statistics" &lt;folks@wikipedometer.net&gt;<BR>Date: Sunday, August 2, 2=
009, 9:26 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3DplainMail>O. G. wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; I was metioning national pe=
rspective on history, so for Ukrainians AK is just as murderous as <BR>(sni=
p)<BR><BR>Well, let's try to measure it, perhaps I'll learn something new. =
Per our <BR>article, the number of Poles who died in Volhynia is ~80,000. P=
er <BR>article on Wo=C5=82y=C5=84 Voivodeship (1921=E2=80=931939), in 1931 =
Wo=C5=82y=C5=84 Voivodeship had <BR>the population of ~2,080,000 and based =
on historical demography of <BR>Poland article, we can estimate that by 193=
9 the population has grown by <BR>7-8%, so let's factor some war time loses=
 and say that in 1942 it was <BR>~2,200,000. 68% Ukrainian and 17% Poles (I=
'd like to draw those numbers <BR>to the attention of some of our more emot=
ional Polish colleagues... <BR>Poles were a MINORITY at Kresy) gives us ~1,=
500,000 Ukrainians and <BR>~375,000 Poles.<BR><BR>From my own research and =
article on AK, roughly, in the years 1942-1943 <BR>AK numbered ~200,000-400=
,000 people,
 let's call it ~300,000.<BR><BR>Could you (or any other interested reader) =
provide numbers w/refs for.<BR>* the number of Ukrainians murdered by AK<BR=
>* estimate of UPA membership<BR><BR>I would like us to compare the followi=
ng statistics:<BR>* total number of victims by nationality<BR>* total numbe=
r of victims to total number of membership in an <BR>organization committin=
g the crimes<BR>* total number of victims to total number of ethnic inhabit=
ants of that <BR>region before the war<BR><BR>If what you say is true, and =
AK was as murderous as UPA, the numbers <BR>should show us a rough parity.<=
BR><BR>-- <BR>Piotr Konieczny<BR><BR>"The problem about Wikipedia is, that =
it just works in reality, not in <BR>theory."<BR><BR>______________________=
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