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This ruling SEEMS to contradict itself:

"It is potentially harmful to Wikipedia when editorial debates become
strongly associated with real-world political polarizations...along
political lines due to shared national backgrounds."

and

"Defending editorial positions that support political preferences typical of
a particular national background is not ipso facto evidence of bad-faith
editing."

But it is not. In fact, the most extreme POV-pushers act sincerely (in a
good faith) , and yes, this is harmful


On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>wrote:

> Christian, since you are probably following this issue (Macedonia), could
> you please let us know when the expected discussion about usage of
> names (part of the ArbCom ruling) would be set up. (I don't even know where
> to search about it, except reading in the ArbCom ruling, which is in the
> future tense) I would be quite curious to follow it. Thank you, Dorin
>
> 2009/6/16 Christian Suciu <christiansuciu@yahoo.com>
>
>> From the recent Macedonia 2 case, a principle that I'm sure could be
>> extended to Eastern Europe as well:
>> It is potentially harmful to Wikipedia when editorial debates become
>> strongly associated with real-world political polarizations and when they
>> become dominated by groups of editors lined up along political lines due to
>> shared national backgrounds. This is particularly harmful when such editors
>> act in concert to systematically advocate editorial decisions considered
>> favorable to their shared political views that contravene the application of
>> Wikipedia policy or obstruct consensus-building. Mere strength of numbers is
>> not sufficient to contravene Wikipedia policy. Defending editorial positions
>> that support political preferences typical of a particular national
>> background is not ipso facto evidence of bad-faith editing.
>>
>>
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This ruling SEEMS to contradict itself:<br><br>&quot;It is potentially harm=
ful to Wikipedia when editorial debates become strongly associated with rea=
l-world political polarizations...along political lines due to shared natio=
nal backgrounds.&quot;<br>
<br>and<br><br>&quot;Defending editorial positions that support political p=
references typical of a particular national background is
 not <span style=3D"font-style: italic;">ipso facto</span> evidence of bad-=
faith editing.&quot;<br><br>But it is not. In fact, the most extreme POV-pu=
shers act sincerely (in a good faith) , and yes, this is harmful<br><br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Dorin Chept=
ea <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dorin.cheptea@gmail.com">dorin.c=
heptea@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.=
8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Christian, since you are probably following this issue (Macedonia), could y=
ou please let us know when the expected discussion=A0about usage of names=
=A0(part of the ArbCom ruling) would be set up. (I don&#39;t even know wher=
e to search about it, except reading in the ArbCom ruling, which is in the =
future tense) I would be quite curious to follow it. Thank you, Dorin<br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/6/16 Christian Suciu <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:christiansuciu@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">christian=
suciu@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; p=
adding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">
<table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td styl=
e=3D"font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font=
-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjus=
t: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;" valign=3D"top">
>From the recent <span style=3D"font-style: italic;">Macedonia 2</span> case=
, a principle that I&#39;m sure could be extended to Eastern Europe as well=
:<div>
<br></div><div>It is potentially harmful to Wikipedia when editorial debate=
s become strongly associated with real-world political polarizations and wh=
en they become dominated by groups of editors lined up along political line=
s due to shared national backgrounds. This is particularly harmful when suc=
h editors act in concert to systematically advocate editorial decisions con=
sidered favorable to their shared political views that contravene the appli=
cation of Wikipedia policy or obstruct consensus-building. Mere strength of=
 numbers is not sufficient to contravene Wikipedia policy. Defending editor=
ial positions that support political preferences typical of a particular na=
tional background is
 not <span style=3D"font-style: italic;">ipso facto</span> evidence of bad-=
faith editing.<br></div></td></tr></tbody></table><br>



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