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	Content preview: Hi I was away during the weekend. Radek did you got my
	previous sources on him ? I sent them to you a while ago. However I did
	search for new ones and found a couple of useful sources. One is
	extremely helpful and reliable:
	http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=23744 *By far the most
	cited
	secondary source for the DVD-ROM's "background" passages is Heinz
	Nawratil's Schwarzbuch der Vertreibung 1945 bis 1948, first published in
	1982 and re-issued almost annually ever since. It is an unabashedly
	partisan catalog of German victimization. An excerpt titled "Prelude to
	Expulsion," for example, placed in the midst of video clips about the
	fall of Breslau, provides an account of German-Polish relations from
	1918 through 1939 that consists exclusively of Polish mistreatment of
	Germans. The bibliography provided by the DVD-ROM is taken directly
	from
	the (then) most recent addition of Nawratil's Schwarzbuch. It includes
	quite a few publications by the National Socialist regime but none
	published in eastern Europe, either before or after 1989. Read as a text
	document, in other words, Die Grosse Flucht is jarringly dated and
	one-sided, a kind of time capsule of the rhetoric of the Bund der
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	Content preview:  Hi I was away during the weekend. Radek did you got my
	previous sources on him ? I sent them to you a while ago. However I did
	search for new ones and found a couple of useful sources. One is
	extremely helpful and reliable:
	http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=23744 *By far the most cited
	secondary source for the DVD-ROM's "background" passages is Heinz
	Nawratil's Schwarzbuch der Vertreibung 1945 bis 1948, first published in
	1982 and re-issued almost annually ever since. It is an unabashedly
	partisan catalog of German victimization. An excerpt titled "Prelude to
	Expulsion," for example, placed in the midst of video clips about the
	fall of Breslau, provides an account of German-Polish relations from
	1918 through 1939 that consists exclusively of Polish mistreatment of
	Germans. The bibliography provided by the DVD-ROM is taken directly from
	the (then) most recent addition of Nawratil's Schwarzbuch. It includes
	quite a few publications by the National Socialist regime but none
	published in eastern Europe, either before or after 1989. Read as a text
	document, in other words, Die Grosse Flucht is jarringly dated and
	one-sided, a kind of time capsule of the rhetoric of the Bund der
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Hi I was away during the weekend.

Radek did you got my previous sources on him ? I sent them to you a while
ago.

However I did search for new ones and found a couple of useful sources. One
is extremely helpful and reliable:
http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=3D23744
*By far the most cited secondary source for the DVD-ROM's "background"
passages is Heinz Nawratil's Schwarzbuch der Vertreibung 1945 bis 1948,
first published in 1982 and re-issued almost annually ever since.  It is an
unabashedly partisan catalog of German victimization. An excerpt titled
"Prelude to Expulsion," for example, placed in the midst of video clips
about the fall of Breslau, provides an account of German-Polish relations
from 1918 through 1939 that consists exclusively of Polish mistreatment of
Germans. The bibliography provided by the DVD-ROM is taken directly from th=
e
(then) most recent addition of Nawratil's Schwarzbuch. It includes quite a
few publications by the National Socialist regime but none published in
eastern Europe, either before or after 1989. Read as a text document, in
other words, Die Grosse Flucht is jarringly dated and one-sided, a kind of
time capsule of the rhetoric of the Bund der Vertriebenen circa 1955.*

Here he is friendly named as fellow revisionist:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p--4_OKeefe.html
*
Dr. Alfred Schickel, one of West Germany's leading Revisionist scholars,
then receives his due in a mock scolding or diatribe from one of his
colleagues, his fellow Sudeten German Dr. Heinz Nawratil. The happy occasio=
n
of Dr. Nawratil's objurgation was the award to Dr. Schickel of one of the
Bundesrepublik's highest civilian honors: favorable breezes are blowing in
our favor, and seem to be picking up strengt*h.

The quote in your link I think rather refers to Borszat as criminal
historians.


2009/8/15 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>:
> The expulsions page got protected on the BLP issue in regard to Heinz
> Nawratil. So we've got Haar quoting Broszat that Nawratil was extreme
right
> wing and we got Nawratil's own writings in the Holocaust denial journal
but
> we could use some more for BLP.
>
> Can anyone (Molobo?) translate what this says (search for Nawratil):
>
>
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=3Den&sl=3Dde&u=3Dhttp://www.mona=
rchieliga.de/divers/biblio/iv-criticon.htm&ei=3DucmGSu_sF9zMjAeCr7yiCw&sa=
=3DX&oi=3Dtranslate&resnum=3D9&ct=3Dresult&prev=3D/search%3Fq%3Dheinz%2Bnaw=
ratil%2Bbroszat%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:of=
ficial%26hs%3DRZf%26sa%3DN%26start%3D10
>
> Using Babel fish I get something about "criminal historians" but I'm not
> sure.
>
> Also any additional sources for Nawratil's extremism would be very
welcome.
>
> Radek
>
>
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Hi I was away during the weekend. <br><br>Radek did you got my previous sou=
rces on him ? I sent them to you a while ago.<br><br>However I did search f=
or new ones and found a couple of useful sources. One is extremely helpful =
and reliable:<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=3D23744">http://www.=
h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=3D23744</a><br><i>By far the most cited se=
condary source for the DVD-ROM&#39;s &quot;background&quot; passages is Hei=
nz Nawratil&#39;s Schwarzbuch der Vertreibung 1945 bis 1948, first publishe=
d in 1982 and re-issued almost annually ever since. =A0It is an unabashedly=
 partisan catalog of German victimization. An excerpt titled &quot;Prelude =
to Expulsion,&quot; for example, placed in the midst of video clips about t=
he fall of Breslau, provides an account of German-Polish relations from 191=
8 through 1939 that consists exclusively of Polish mistreatment of Germans.=
 The bibliography provided by the DVD-ROM is taken directly from the (then)=
 most recent addition of Nawratil&#39;s Schwarzbuch. It includes quite a fe=
w publications by the National Socialist regime but none published in easte=
rn Europe, either before or after 1989. Read as a text document, in other w=
ords, Die Grosse Flucht is jarringly dated and one-sided, a kind of time ca=
psule of the rhetoric of the Bund der Vertriebenen circa 1955.</i><br>
<br>Here he is friendly named as fellow revisionist:<br><br><a href=3D"http=
://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p--4_OKeefe.html">http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p=
--4_OKeefe.html</a><br><i><br>Dr. Alfred Schickel, one of West Germany&#39;=
s leading Revisionist
scholars, then receives his due in a mock scolding or diatribe from one
of his colleagues, his fellow Sudeten German Dr. Heinz Nawratil. The
happy occasion of Dr. Nawratil&#39;s objurgation was the award to Dr.
Schickel of one of the Bundesrepublik&#39;s highest civilian honors:
favorable breezes are blowing in our favor, and seem to be picking up
strengt</i>h.<br><br>The quote in your link I think rather refers to Borsza=
t as criminal historians.<br><br><br>2009/8/15 radek szulga &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com">rsszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>&gt; The expulsio=
ns page got protected on the BLP issue in regard to Heinz<br>
&gt; Nawratil. So we&#39;ve got Haar quoting Broszat that Nawratil was extr=
eme right<br>&gt; wing and we got Nawratil&#39;s own writings in the Holoca=
ust denial journal but<br>&gt; we could use some more for BLP.<br>&gt;<br>
&gt; Can anyone (Molobo?) translate what this says (search for Nawratil):<b=
r>&gt;<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=3Den&a=
mp;sl=3Dde&amp;u=3Dhttp://www.monarchieliga.de/divers/biblio/iv-criticon.ht=
m&amp;ei=3DucmGSu_sF9zMjAeCr7yiCw&amp;sa=3DX&amp;oi=3Dtranslate&amp;resnum=
=3D9&amp;ct=3Dresult&amp;prev=3D/search%3Fq%3Dheinz%2Bnawratil%2Bbroszat%26=
hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DRZf%=
26sa%3DN%26start%3D10">http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=3Den&amp;=
sl=3Dde&amp;u=3Dhttp://www.monarchieliga.de/divers/biblio/iv-criticon.htm&a=
mp;ei=3DucmGSu_sF9zMjAeCr7yiCw&amp;sa=3DX&amp;oi=3Dtranslate&amp;resnum=3D9=
&amp;ct=3Dresult&amp;prev=3D/search%3Fq%3Dheinz%2Bnawratil%2Bbroszat%26hl%3=
Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DRZf%26sa=
%3DN%26start%3D10</a><br>
&gt;<br>&gt; Using Babel fish I get something about &quot;criminal historia=
ns&quot; but I&#39;m not<br>&gt; sure.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Also any additional =
sources for Nawratil&#39;s extremism would be very welcome.<br>&gt;<br>
&gt; Radek<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; ________________________________________=
_______<br>&gt; Wikipedia statistics discussion list<br>&gt; <a href=3D"mai=
lto:folks@wikipedometer.net">folks@wikipedometer.net</a><br>&gt; <a href=3D=
"http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks">http://wikipedome=
ter.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks</a><br>
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