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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:54:55 +1000
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From: Martin <martint20@gmail.com>
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	Content preview: I agree with Andres that there is a large turnover of
	the Cartel, there will always be more popping out of the wood work, so a
	big-bang ArbCom case will not work in the long run. In any case, I
	believe this current round of disruption by Offliner, PU and Shotlandya
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I agree with Andres that there is a large turnover of the Cartel,
there will always be more popping out of the wood work, so a big-bang
ArbCom case will not work in the long run.

In any case, I believe this current round of disruption by Offliner,
PU and Shotlandya is really in response to Petri Krohn being banned.
Russiavia seems to have settled down and will not disturb us as much
as he has in the past if he is not provoked into defending his
comrades.

Martin

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Digwuren<digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 16:39, Sander S=E4de <sander.sade@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>>
>> Soon after the incident, we will file a RfC about several of them
>> (PasswordUsername, Russavia and Offliner are the best candidates, imho) -
>> filing should become from someone involved, but not heavily - maybe Miac=
ek?
>> RfC should be very dry and precise, only diffs and explanations, no pers=
onal
>> feelings or comments.
>
> I suggest we start writing the RfC immediately, so when the time comes, it
> can be filed rapidly, requiring only update to reflect the most recent
> developments.  Naturally, we should keep it private for now.
>>
>> New incidents will unevitably happen, hopefully one of the cabal leaders
>> (PU) will have a major slip like today. We escalate them sligthly, caref=
ully
>> being civil and within sources, also avoiding 3RR violations. Best we co=
uld
>> hope for are some major BLP violations.
>
> PU is not yet a leader.  PU is a co=F6perative outlier.  "Fellow travelle=
r",
> perhaps.  But this may be changing.
>>
>> midst as well - probably Digwuren will be hit by another ban,
>
> Which means that I'll disappear by the arbcom time, if not before.
>  Ghirlandajo's first arbcom has taught us that this is effective.
>>
>> I might face the ban-hammer, too. However, for the minimum, the opposing
>> cabal will have majority of its members banned for a long period and rest
>> admonished to the point where they don't dare to touch anything
>> Baltics-related.
>
> I'm not sure it works that way.  For one, there's considerable turnover
> among the Cartel. For another, if you're on Wikipedia to push Soviet agen=
da,
> you won't care about being banned from other articles.   Mission from Len=
in
> and all that crusade stuff.
> While we should be ready for arbcom, I wouldn't recommend banking on it.
>  Arbcoms are notoriously hard to tame.
> In any case, a single event is not sustainable.  For sustainability, we'll
> need a *process* that can deal with the Cartel as it develops.  And this
> means, we'll need sympathetic administrators.  In the short term, it's
> useful that the post-Irpen Cartel has become somewhat sloppy.  In the long
> term, RFAs are the way to go.
> --
> Andres Soolo
>
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