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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:30:59 +0300
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From: Miacek and his crime-fighting dog <miacek08@googlemail.com>
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Forgot to add - PRM used to be quite leftist in early 1990s, during
the ''Red Quadrate'' cabinet of Iliescu's ex-commies, supported by
some small orthodox Marxist party (no wiki article yet :-( ], a
National Unity Party and PRM circus.

M.

On 11/06/2009, Miacek and his crime-fighting dog
<miacek08@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I've observed the PRM as part of a wider and interesting politological
>  phenomenon. In post-socialist countries that were or felt to be
> (nationally) subordinated to _a_ Big Brother, nationalists more or
> less equal centre-right/right-wing/pro-free market etc. In Estonia,
> Latvia, Hungary, yes, Croatia. Ex-commies play the role of ''nice
> guys'' supporting social cohesion and ''friendship of peoples''. The
> latter role in Estonia has  - due to the complete marginality of
> postcommunist Left Party or whatever it's called - fallen to our
> Centre Party.
>
> On the other hand, where ex-commies/nomenklatura members could present
> the role of nationalist strongmen (Milosevic's ''Socialist'' Party),
> Russia's KPRF, and similarly PRM (their leaders either authors of
> Ceausescu panegyrics or just close to Securitate, yes?), radical
> nationalism tended to associate more with the nomenklatura forces
> (''Left-wing nationalism'').
>
> M.
>
> On 10/06/2009, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2009/6/10 Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Come on, 95% of the European officials are euro-utopists and often loose
>>>> connection with reality.
>>>>
>>>
>> True.  That's where the European bureaucrats (or Eurocrats) come into
>> play.
>>  One of the reasons why there has to be so many of them is to make sure
>> that
>> silly projects can not be carried through too fast.
>>
>>
>>> As for military integration, why would you want to build something to
>>>> replace NATO unless you are anti-NATO?
>>>>
>>>
>> It depends on the applicable military doctrine.  In general,
>> heterogeneous
>> structures are less vulnerable to systemic troubles, but costlier to
>> maintain.  It might be claimed that having a para-NATO makes EU stronger.
>>  But then again, NATO is itself organised in a rather heterogeneous
>> manner,
>> so in the current political climate, I don't think it's necessary.  In
>> particular, it probably is not worth the cost.
>>
>> During the communist regime, Vadim ran a pamphlet magazine famous for
>>>> attacking dissidents. Becali is half-literate. What "constructive" you
>>>> expect from them? During the famous December 2006 Basescu's speech in
>>>> the
>>>> Romanian Parliament with the report of the presidential commission
>>>> condamning communism, Vadim ran an ugly circus, interrupting it 20
>>>> times.
>>>>
>>>
>> Ah.  That sort of circus.
>>
>> --
>> Andres Soolo
>>
>

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