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Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:50:57 -0500
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From: radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
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One more thing:
Note this exchange between Adjust Shift and Mayalld:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Mayalld&curid=3D15132=
010&diff=3D292740470&oldid=3D292739565#Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations.=
2FMolobo

and the other side of it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AdjustShift#Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_inv=
estigations.2FMolobo

Another point to be brought up is - how can this case be decided when
the supposedly in making the decision involved themselves are arguing
about whom that decision belongs to.

The fact that some admins had access to the secret evidence brings up
the possibility that Sciurinea shopped around for an admin that would
be partial (perhaps unconsciously) to finding Molobo guilty while at
the same time appear neutral. Note Syn's comment to AdjustShift: "I
feel you are a bit too involved, and we are going to let an spi admin,
or another admin who is unrelated handle it."

Basically, in my view the whole case should be scrapped due to
bungling of the procedures, and of the "secret evidence", and a new
case (restricted to as yet unseen evidence) opened which will be
handled properly.
Maybe ANI or somewhere else like that is the proper place to bring up
these very serious concerns.

2009/5/27 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>:
> The only thing is that the person who removed those comments, Mayalld,
> seems to quite sympathetic to the view that this case was a mess from
> the get go and that all this secret stuff should've never happened.
> Basically I think s/he is just generally annoyed at how this was
> handled and so he's trying to re-focus it. So we don't want to annoy
> him more than the other side.
> But fuss maybe a good idea - particularly since Deacon's comment "The
> unpublished evidence makes it highly likely that Molobo ..." was not
> removed - maybe just ask Mayalld why that was left in there.
>
> The other thing is to somehow bring up the motion to just close this
> case and let Skapperod or Sciurinea start over with their secret
> evidence. Basically, THIS particular case was a) mishandled from the
> beginning, b) the public evidence presented by Sciurinea does not
> prove Molobo and Gwinn are same person and now, apparently, c)
> checkuser says "unrelated/unlikely". In light of that the "secret"
> evidence would have to be unequivocal.
>
> Hence, the only way to ensure fairness here is to close the present
> case (which includes checkuser and the evidence presented by Sci
> publicly - even Skapperod has backed off somewhat only saying now that
> Gwinn was "probably SOMEBODY's sockpuppet"), declare mistrial.
> If after that Sciurinea or Deacon or Skapperod wish to have the case
> re-opened by making their secret evidence public then that's fine.
>
> Anyway - I think the above argument needs to be made somewhere but I'm
> not sure where.
>
> Radek
>
>
> 2009/5/27 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>:
>> Please note that Radeksz and Marting questions about how Deacon received
>> the evidence and requests that they should be turned over to me were
>> REMOVED:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Sockpuppet_investi=
gations/Molobo&diff=3D292608408&oldid=3D292593075
>> without a comment!
>>
>> I think we should reinsert the comments, start a fuss on the talk page,
>> repeating the above requests, and asking how such an important requests
>> were removed without a comment. I will join soon with an official
>> request to look at the evidence.
>>
>>
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