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That is precisely what Miyokan did.  When he accumulated enough blocks, he
opened a new account and repeated this a couple of times.  When reported as
a sock of his previous account, Myiokan was coming to SPI to tell "yes, that
was me, what's the problem?"
Moreschi did not like it, but no none blocked Miyokan for doing such tricks.
However, Tiptoety did block LokiiT for a month, when a large number of his
currently unused accounts has been discovered (but LokiiT used two accounts
at the same time, if I remember this correctly).


On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>wrote:

> To be sure, create the new account when under no restriction. Then, I
> totally agree with you, provided that the old account is discarded (no
> longer used).
> However note, that if you plan to apply for adminship, it is honest to list
> all WP activity of all accounts. They expect you to do that. If you are
> discovered later, they can't ban you, but they can de-sysop you.
>
> Another thing: if you are using a computer at work, you can claim that
> another person had the same desk and computer before you, and probably that
> person had also a WP account. If account 1 and account 2 have the same IP
> but never overlap timely, it could be explained with this. In that case you
> can even apply for sysop-ship and not list the other account.
>
> However, please be careful about alternative ways of checkuser: language
> comparison, preferred articles, etc, etc. Also, the new account should not
> look experienced the first few months. It is quite a lot of work.
>
> 2009/7/4 Martin <martint20@gmail.com>
>
> I may be wrong, and Piotr could correct me, but there is nothing in
>> policy specifically against serial accounts. It only becomes an issue
>> if the original account was perma-banned or otherwise evading a
>> sanction, or multiple accounts used simultaneously in vote stacking or
>> revert warring. But if a new account is created every few months and
>> the old account discarded in a serial fashion, then I don't see that
>> there would be a problem.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Digwuren<digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 03:54, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> OK, I made a comment. Unfortunately, Russavia came too.
>> >
>> > This is an incentive for changing accounts almost as often as socks.
>>  Since
>> > Wikipedia values newbies more highly than people who have been "involved
>> in
>> > wikidrama", frequent account changes are favoured by the existing
>> framework
>> > as a way to get rid of the sticky mud.
>> > Frequent account-changes tend to throw off track both slow-acting DDR
>> such
>> > as arbcom *and* stalkers.  The main risk is that some or all of the
>> accounts
>> > may be labelled as sock puppets of each other or somebody else, and
>> > summarily blocked.
>> > --
>> > Andres Soolo
>> >
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That is precisely what Miyokan did.=A0 When he accumulated enough blocks, h=
e opened a new account and repeated this a couple of times.=A0 When reporte=
d as a sock of his previous account, Myiokan was coming to SPI to tell &quo=
t;yes, that was me, what&#39;s the problem?&quot; <br>
Moreschi did not like it, but no none blocked Miyokan for doing such tricks=
. However, Tiptoety did block LokiiT for a month, when a large number of hi=
s currently unused accounts has been discovered (but LokiiT used two accoun=
ts at the same time, if I remember this correctly).<br>
=A0<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Dorin=
 Cheptea <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dorin.cheptea@gmail.com">d=
orin.cheptea@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt =
0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
To be sure, create the new account when under no restriction. Then, I total=
ly agree with you, provided that the old account is discarded (no longer us=
ed).=A0<div><br></div><div>However note, that if you plan to apply for admi=
nship, it is honest to list all WP activity of all accounts. They expect yo=
u to do that. If you are discovered later, they can&#39;t ban you, but they=
 can de-sysop you.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Another thing: if you are using a computer at work, you=
 can claim that another person had the same desk and computer before you, a=
nd probably that person had also a WP account. If account 1 and account 2 h=
ave the same IP but never overlap timely, it could be explained with this. =
In that case you can even apply for sysop-ship and not list the other accou=
nt.</div>

<div><br></div><div>However, please be careful about alternative ways of ch=
eckuser: language comparison, preferred articles, etc, etc. Also, the new a=
ccount should not look experienced the first few months. It is quite a lot =
of work.=A0<br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/7/4 Martin <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:martint20@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">martint20@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt =
0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

I may be wrong, and Piotr could correct me, but there is nothing in<br>
policy specifically against serial accounts. It only becomes an issue<br>
if the original account was perma-banned or otherwise evading a<br>
sanction, or multiple accounts used simultaneously in vote stacking or<br>
revert warring. But if a new account is created every few months and<br>
the old account discarded in a serial fashion, then I don&#39;t see that<br=
>
there would be a problem.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Martin<br>
</font><div><br>
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Digwuren&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div><div><div></div><div>&gt; On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 03:54, Andrei Dombay=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">wikibiophys=
@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; OK, I made a comment. Unfortunately, Russavia came too.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This is an incentive for changing accounts almost as often as socks. =
=A0Since<br>
&gt; Wikipedia values newbies more highly than people who have been &quot;i=
nvolved in<br>
&gt; wikidrama&quot;, frequent account changes are favoured=A0by the existi=
ng framework<br>
&gt; as a way to get rid of the=A0sticky=A0mud.<br>
&gt; Frequent account-changes tend to throw off track both slow-acting DDR =
such<br>
&gt; as arbcom *and* stalkers. =A0The main risk is that some or all of the =
accounts<br>
&gt; may be labelled as sock puppets of each other or somebody else, and<br=
>
&gt; summarily blocked.<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Andres Soolo<br>
&gt;<br>
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