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From: "O. G." <hillock@yahoo.ca>
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	Content preview: Not quite. Acts of sabotage against Polish property
	was
	common since Ukrainian defeat in 1919. It just never took large scale.
	OUN was only partially responsible for enticing peasants to acts of
	sabotage. There were other small factions trying to show that their
	active in "revolutionary struggle", mostly youth. It coincided as well
	with general economic crisis of 1929 and the political crisis in Poland
	at that time. So, some youth wings of several organizations believed
	this could be the start of new fight for freedom and encouraged acts of
	sabotage, which in many cases went on even without their enticement. The
	response from Polish authorities was disproportionate and
	indiscriminate. All inhabitants of villages were punished and their
	property destroyed even those, who had nothing to do with it. In some
	cased villages were punished, where there was no acts of sabotage. While
	all this resulted in a couple of hundred dead only, the deep seated
	feeling of resentment against the Poles have become firmly entrenched
	among Western Ukrainians. In the final outcome OUN got what it wanted -
	popular support against a hated enemy. That's where the seeds of the
	Volhynia tragedy and everything else are. This thing is well known in
	Ukraine now, I am a bit surprised it is still obscure in Poland. [...] 
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	Content preview:  Not quite. Acts of sabotage against Polish property was
	common since Ukrainian defeat in 1919. It just never took large scale.
	OUN was only partially responsible for enticing peasants to acts of
	sabotage. There were other small factions trying to show that their
	active in "revolutionary struggle", mostly youth. It coincided as well
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	response from Polish authorities was disproportionate and
	indiscriminate. All inhabitants of villages were punished and their
	property destroyed even those, who had nothing to do with it. In some
	cased villages were punished, where there was no acts of sabotage. While
	all this resulted in a couple of hundred dead only, the deep seated
	feeling of resentment against the Poles have become firmly entrenched
	among Western Ukrainians. In the final outcome OUN got what it wanted -
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Not quite. Acts of sabotage against Polish property was common since Ukrain=
ian defeat in 1919. It just never took large scale. OUN was only partially =
responsible for enticing peasants to acts of sabotage. There were other sma=
ll factions trying to show that their active in "revolutionary struggle", m=
ostly youth. It coincided as well with general economic crisis of 1929 and =
the political crisis in Poland at that time. So, some youth wings of severa=
l organizations believed this could be the start of new fight for freedom a=
nd encouraged acts of sabotage, which in many cases went on even without th=
eir enticement. The response from Polish authorities was disproportionate a=
nd indiscriminate. All inhabitants of villages were punished and their prop=
erty destroyed even those, who had nothing to do with it. In some cased vil=
lages were punished, where there was no acts of sabotage. While all this re=
sulted in a couple of hundred dead only, the deep seated feeling of
 resentment against the Poles have become firmly entrenched among Western U=
krainians. In the final outcome OUN got what it wanted - popular support ag=
ainst a hated enemy. That's where the seeds of the Volhynia tragedy and eve=
rything else are. This thing is well known in Ukraine now, I am a bit surpr=
ised it is still obscure in Poland.

--- On Tue, 8/4/09, piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] Article about Pacification of Ukrainian villages in in=
terwar Poland
> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Received: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 11:30 AM
> The unrest in Eastern Galicia was
> part of the permanent revolution tactics, adopted by the
> OUN. They went out of their way to incite hatred of Polish
> government=A0among Ukrainian peasants, therefore the
> sabotage operation of 1930, which spurred the pacification.
> OUN activists, and back then they were not numerous, would
> appear in Ukrainian-populated villages, where they would
> kill some police officers, cut telephone or telegraph lines,
> or burn some mail offices. Then they disappeared, waiting
> for reply of Polish police. The Poles went after peaceful
> villagers, punishing them for they had not commited, while
> OUN activists relished the moment. We have to note that had
> there not been acts of sabotage by the OUN, the pacification
> would have never taken place.
> =A0
> Tymek
> =A0
> =

> =

> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, radek szulga
> <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:
> =

> =

> From: radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] Article about Pacification of Ukrainian
> villages in interwar Poland
> To: "Wikipedia statistics"
> <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 5:57 PM
> =

> =

> Like I said, I'm just
> translating the Polish article. Please expand and add.
> =

> Radek
> =

> =

> =

> 2009/8/3 O. G. <hillock@yahoo.ca>
> =

> =

> I think it is very far from being ready for DYK. As of now
> it is one sided and biased, for example it states that
> Pacification was introduce to quell unrest, but that is not
> true. Villages in Galicia didn't not rebel, peasants
> were made to suffer for the massive acts of sabotage and
> arson attack perpetrated mostly by the OUN. It was a
> punitive action. The article needs a lot of work.
> =

> --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
> wrote:
> =

> > From: Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
> =

> > Subject: Re: [WPM] Article about
> Pacification of Ukrainian villages in interwar Poland
> > To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> > Received: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:48 AM
> =

> =

> =

> > radek szulga wrote:
> > > I've expanded the stub a bit. I'm just
> translating
> > from Polish wiki so
> > > correct as needed.
> >
> > Nicely done guys, you saved me some work. Add some
> inline
> > citations and
> > we can DYK it.
> >
> > --
> > Piotr Konieczny
> >
> > "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just
> works in
> > reality, not in
> > theory."
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