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On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 17:00, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com> wrote:

> "This guy is anti-Soviet". That is what he tells:
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Punitive_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union&diff=130942673&oldid=130942252


One of the peculiarities of the Soviet system was that *everybody* lied.
 Accordingly, scientists were not to be trusted, but sometimes, urban
legends had a kernel of truth.  It could be that he believes in this one,
for some reason.  I've seen intelligent ex-Soviet people believe in other
weird stuff from experimentally refuted ideas about psychotronics up to
unverifiable conspiracy theories, based on little more than 1. "everybody"
talked about it, and 2. Soviet authorities denied it.  Accordingly, holding
such a belief is a very weak indicator of political allegiance.

Actually, this guy is main censor of articles on the Soviet Union, but he
> usually plays by the rules to survive. He knows that mistakes can be fatal,
> especially after the recent ArbCom case when he was almost desysoped.


He's complicated.

One of the interesting differences between Mikkalai and the Cartel is that
while Mikkalai doesn't do much on Wikipedia these days, he's good at what
the does, and the Cartel tends to do amateurish mistakes.  If one were to
put together a case that Mikkalai is a likely former or current spy, this
would probably be a strong factor.

As about User:172, his most recent edit is really telling:
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decommunization_in_Russia&diff=295113031&oldid=291631836
>
>  That is something expected from Jacob Peters.


If there's a reasonable chance the checkusers can confirm this, we should
sic them to it.

-- 
Andres Soolo

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 17:00, Andrei Dombay <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail.com">wikibiophys@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
&quot;This guy is anti-Soviet&quot;. That is what he tells:<br><br><a href=
=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk:Punitive_psychiatry_in=
_the_Soviet_Union&amp;diff=3D130942673&amp;oldid=3D130942252" target=3D"_bl=
ank">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk:Punitive_psychiatry_i=
n_the_Soviet_Union&amp;diff=3D130942673&amp;oldid=3D130942252</a></blockquo=
te>
<div><br></div><div>One of the peculiarities of the Soviet system was that =
*everybody* lied. =C2=A0Accordingly, scientists were not to be trusted, but=
 sometimes, urban legends had a kernel of truth. =C2=A0It could be that he =
believes in this one, for some reason. =C2=A0I&#39;ve seen intelligent ex-S=
oviet people believe in other weird stuff from experimentally refuted ideas=
 about psychotronics up to unverifiable conspiracy theories, based on littl=
e more than 1. &quot;everybody&quot; talked about it, and 2. Soviet authori=
ties denied it. =C2=A0Accordingly, holding such a belief is a very weak ind=
icator of political allegiance.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Actually, this guy is main c=
ensor of articles on the Soviet Union, but he usually plays by the rules to=
 survive. He knows that mistakes can be fatal, especially after the recent =
ArbCom case when he was almost desysoped.</blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>He&#39;s complicated.</div><div><br></div><div>One of t=
he interesting differences between Mikkalai and the Cartel is that while Mi=
kkalai doesn&#39;t do much on Wikipedia these days, he&#39;s good at what t=
he does, and the Cartel tends to do amateurish mistakes. =C2=A0If one were =
to put together a case that Mikkalai is a likely former or current spy, thi=
s would probably be a strong factor.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">As about User:172, his most =
recent edit is really telling:<br><br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/=
index.php?title=3DDecommunization_in_Russia&amp;diff=3D295113031&amp;oldid=
=3D291631836" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=
=3DDecommunization_in_Russia&amp;diff=3D295113031&amp;oldid=3D291631836</a>=
<br>

<br>=C2=A0That is something expected from Jacob Peters.</blockquote><div><b=
r></div><div>If there&#39;s a reasonable chance the checkusers can confirm =
this, we should sic them to it.</div><div><br></div></div>-- <br>Andres Soo=
lo<br>


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