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Note that it's rather true that Iranian elections were in fact won by
Ahmadinejad
-several western observes are of that opinion(for example Stratfor). He mos=
t
likely manipulated the extent of his victory. But we shouldn't take student=
s
of Tehran as representing the whole Iranian society.

By the way what do you thing about SCO ?
Personally I would love it to become a real-life alliance and block. Russia
blinded by obsesssion to  restore an Empire will become de-facto Chinese
province ;]
And China actually would evolve to being pro-USA as it shares interest in
continued development of trade relations in the world, threatened by
Russia's militaristic attitude and behaviour.


2009/6/17 Christian Suciu <christiansuciu@yahoo.com>

> Analysis from David Satter, author of Darkness at Dawn: The Rise of the
> Russian Criminal State (
> http://yalepress.yale.edu/book.asp?isbn=3D9780300098921):
>
> History repeated itself Tuesday in the Russian city of Yekaterinburg as
> Russia endorsed Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the victor in th=
e
> disputed Iranian elections. It was almost five years ago that Russian lea=
der
> Vladimir Putin endorsed Viktor Yanukovich as the winner in the falsified
> 2004 Ukrainian presidential elections and congratulated him on a =93convi=
ncing
> victory.=94
>
>
> Ahmadinejad=92s purpose in coming to Yekaterinburg was to attend a summit
> meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which was set up as an
> alternative to NATO and whose members include Russia, China, Kazakhstan,
> Kyrgyzstan, and Uzbekistan. Iran has repeatedly expressed interest in
> becoming a full member of this elite group.
>
>
> Ahmadinejad made various hackneyed remarks about =93end of the age of
> empires=94 and =93international capitalism.=94 But more interesting than =
what he
> said was the spectacle of regimes that differ greatly from each other
> finding common cause in their shared opposition to their own people. The
> significance of this spectacle is that efforts to win Russia=92s cooperat=
ion
> in influencing Iran are doomed to failure. Russia=92s tie to the Iranians
> exists at a deep, subliminal level. It is rooted in faith that a cowed or
> misled population can always be manipulated. This faith does not convince
> Russians that a nuclear bomb in Iranian hands is no danger. But it reassu=
res
> them that it will inevitably be aimed at the West.
>
>
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Note that it&#39;s rather true that Iranian elections were in fact won by <=
span>Ahmadinejad -several western observes are of that opinion(for example =
Stratfor). He most likely manipulated the extent of his victory. But we sho=
uldn&#39;t take students of Tehran as representing the </span>whole Iranian=
 society.<br>
<br>By the way what do you thing about SCO ? <br>Personally I would love it=
 to become a real-life alliance and block. Russia blinded by obsesssion to=
=A0 restore an Empire will become de-facto Chinese province ;]<br>And China=
 actually would evolve to being pro-USA as it shares interest in continued =
development of trade relations in the world, threatened by Russia&#39;s mil=
itaristic attitude and behaviour.<br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/6/17 Christian Suciu <span dir=3D"l=
tr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:christiansuciu@yahoo.com">christiansuciu@yahoo.co=
m</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:=
 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex=
;">
<table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td styl=
e=3D"font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font=
-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjus=
t: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;" valign=3D"top">
Analysis from David Satter, author of <span style=3D"font-style: italic;">D=
arkness at Dawn: The Rise of the Russian Criminal State </span>(<a href=3D"=
http://yalepress.yale.edu/book.asp?isbn=3D9780300098921" target=3D"_blank">=
http://yalepress.yale.edu/book.asp?isbn=3D9780300098921</a>):<br>
<br><p><span>History repeated itself Tuesday in
the Russian city of Yekaterinburg as Russia endorsed Iranian president
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the victor in the disputed Iranian elections. It
was almost five years ago that Russian leader Vladimir Putin endorsed
Viktor Yanukovich as the winner in the falsified 2004 Ukrainian
presidential elections and congratulated him on a =93convincing victory.=94=
</span></p><p><span><br></span></p>

<p><span>Ahmadinejad=92s purpose in coming to Yekaterinburg was
to attend a summit meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization,
which was set up as an alternative to NATO and whose members include
Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Uzbekistan. Iran has
repeatedly expressed interest in becoming a full member of this elite
group. <br></span></p><p><span><br></span></p>
<p><span>Ahmadinejad made various hackneyed remarks about =93end
of the age of empires=94 and =93international capitalism.=94 But more
interesting than what he said was the spectacle of regimes that differ
greatly from each other finding common cause in their shared opposition
to their own people. The significance of this spectacle is that efforts
to win Russia=92s cooperation in influencing Iran are doomed to failure.
Russia=92s tie to the Iranians exists at a deep, subliminal level. It is
rooted in faith that a cowed or misled population can always be
manipulated. This faith does not convince Russians that a nuclear bomb
in Iranian hands is no danger. But it reassures them that it will
inevitably be aimed at the West. </span></p></td></tr></tbody></table><br>

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