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Although his action (a unilateral deletion of an article) was against the
rules, I think this is premature. I left Hiberniantears a message. If he
does not respond positively,
I would ask an advice from another administrator. Remember, you should try
other DR
procedures prior to coming to ArbCom.

Look at the situation from Hiber's perspective. A user (Dojarca) tells him
about a Cabal of Baltic editors. He comes to talk with you, and indeed find=
s
the Cabal. Digwuren makes some questionable remarks about him. He asks
another admin (with 100,000+ edits) to help.  Digwuren makes some
questionable remarks about this admin too (I am sorry, Digwuren). This
another admin lefts messages to several other admins about you all. This is
road to hell.

The strategy of your opponents is to force you to quick and reckless
comments and actions.
Do not do anything without approval of Piotr, at least.

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>wrot=
e:

> I support that.
>
> 2009/5/1 Martin <martint20@gmail.com>
>
> I propose we draft an ArbCom case to get him desysoped.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Martin <martint20@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Looks like  Hiberniantears has unilaterally split [[Soviet occupation
>> > of the Baltics]] into [[Occupation of the Baltic states during World
>> > War II]] and =E2=80=8E [[Baltic states and the Soviet Union]] which he
>> > immediately page protected. Isn't this an abuse of admin powers?
>> >
>> > What can be done?
>> >
>> > 2009/5/1 Miacek and his crime-fighting dog <miacek08@googlemail.com>:
>> >> I hope nothing comes out of this ''mediation.'' To argue with figures
>> >> like Dojarca over Baltic history is not possible.
>> >>
>> >> ("=D0=91=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5 =D1=83=D0=BF=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8! =D0=9D=D0=
=B8=D0=BA=D0=B0=D0=BA=D0=B8=D1=85 "=D1=87=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B7=D0=B2=D1=8B=D1=
=87=D0=B0=D0=B5=D0=BA"!"
>> >>  - a Russian statesman)
>> >>
>> >> (And great Walpurgisnacht to everyone!)
>> >>
>> >> M.
>> >>
>> >> On 30/04/2009, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Now I see. This is a classic propaganda edit
>> >>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DOccupation_of_the_Baltic_sta=
tes&diff=3D286705086&oldid=3D282373873
>> >>>
>> >>>  Digwuren, you are now in trouble. Never tell "troll" and so on.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Andrei Dombay
>> >>> <wikibiophys@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> You do not have to explain why you decline mediation. Do not talk
>> with
>> >>>> him,
>> >>>> do not reply. If he tries to start  Arbitration, ignore it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Martin <martint20@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Peters,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> probably a good time to disengage, seems Hiberniantears wants to
>> draw
>> >>>>> you into bickering. It is a favoured tactic of admins.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:32 AM,  <PetersJV@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Occupation=
_of_the_Baltic_states
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > My mother is in the hospital in physical and mental decline, so =
I
>> have
>> >>>>> not
>> >>>>> > appetite to be indulgent here. Dojarca found some patsies.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > We have two options, become parties and not agree and let it die
>> in
>> >>>>> protest,
>> >>>>> > we're not doing this again (post links to all the prior
>> actions)...
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > or
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > ... participate including adding every possible issue, such as,
>> >>>>> "occupation"
>> >>>>> > is "prejudicial" -- based on what?, Dojarca trolling for editors=
,
>> etc.
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> > burry them all so deep that it makes the concrete around the
>> Chernobyl
>> >>>>> > reactor look like a quail's egg shell.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > It may be worthwhile trying #1, that as a community, we are not
>> going
>> >>>>> > to
>> >>>>> let
>> >>>>> > ourselves be dragged through the mud again.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > I'm open to suggestions.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > /Peters
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > ________________________________
>> >>>>> > Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!
>> >>>>> > _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> > Wikipedia statistics discussion list
>> >>>>> > folks@wikipedometer.net
>> >>>>> > http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>>
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Although his action (a unilateral deletion of an article) was against the r=
ules, I think this is premature. I left Hiberniantears a message. If he doe=
s not respond positively,<br>I would ask an advice from another administrat=
or. Remember, you should try other DR <br>
procedures prior to coming to ArbCom.<br><br>Look at the situation from Hib=
er&#39;s perspective. A user (Dojarca) tells him about a Cabal of Baltic ed=
itors. He comes to talk with you, and indeed finds the Cabal. Digwuren make=
s some questionable remarks about him. He asks another admin (with 100,000+=
 edits) to help.=C2=A0  Digwuren makes some questionable remarks about this=
 admin too (I am sorry, Digwuren). This another admin lefts messages to sev=
eral other admins about you all. This is road to hell.<br>
<br>The strategy of your opponents is to force you to quick and reckless co=
mments and actions.<br>Do not do anything without approval of Piotr, at lea=
st.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Dorin=
 Cheptea <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dorin.cheptea@gmail.com">d=
orin.cheptea@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I support that.<b=
r><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/5/1 Martin <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:martint20@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">martint20@gmail.com</a>&gt;<=
/span><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D"gmail_quote">I propose we draf=
t an ArbCom case to get him desysoped.<br><br>Thoughts?<br>
<div>
<div></div>
<div><br>On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Martin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mart=
int20@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">martint20@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&g=
t; Looks like =C2=A0Hiberniantears has unilaterally split [[Soviet occupati=
on<br>
&gt; of the Baltics]] into [[Occupation of the Baltic states during World<b=
r>
&gt; War II]] and =E2=80=8E [[Baltic states and the Soviet Union]] which he=
<br>&gt; immediately page protected. Isn&#39;t this an abuse of admin power=
s?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; What can be done?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 2009/5/1 Miacek and hi=
s crime-fighting dog &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:miacek08@googlemail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">miacek08@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br>

&gt;&gt; I hope nothing comes out of this &#39;&#39;mediation.&#39;&#39; To=
 argue with figures<br>&gt;&gt; like Dojarca over Baltic history is not pos=
sible.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; (&quot;=D0=91=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5 =D1=83=D0=BF=
=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8! =D0=9D=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=B0=D0=BA=D0=B8=D1=85 &quot;=D1=87=
=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B7=D0=B2=D1=8B=D1=87=D0=B0=D0=B5=D0=BA&quot;!&quot;<br>

&gt;&gt; =C2=A0- a Russian statesman)<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; (And great Wa=
lpurgisnacht to everyone!)<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; M.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&g=
t; On 30/04/2009, Andrei Dombay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">wikibiophys@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt; Now I see. This is a classic propaganda edit<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; <=
a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DOccupation_of_the_Bal=
tic_states&amp;diff=3D286705086&amp;oldid=3D282373873" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DOccupation_of_the_Baltic_states&a=
mp;diff=3D286705086&amp;oldid=3D282373873</a><br>

&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0Digwuren, you are now in trouble. Never =
tell &quot;troll&quot; and so on.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&g=
t;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Andrei Dombay<br>&=
gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">=
wikibiophys@gmail.com</a>&gt;wrote:<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; You do not have to explain why you decline=
 mediation. Do not talk with<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; him,<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; d=
o not reply. If he tries to start =C2=A0Arbitration, ignore it.<br>&gt;&gt;=
&gt;&gt;<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Martin &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:martint20@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">martint20@gmail.com</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi Peters,<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&=
gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; probably a good time to disengage, seems Hiberniantear=
s wants to draw<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; you into bickering. It is a favoured tactic of admins.=
<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br=
>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:32 AM, =C2=A0&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:PetersJV@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">PetersJV@aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wiki=
pedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Occupation_of_the_Baltic_st=
ates" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for=
_mediation/Occupation_of_the_Baltic_states</a><br>

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; My mother is in the =
hospital in physical and mental decline, so I have<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =
not<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; appetite to be indulgent here. Dojarca fou=
nd some patsies.<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; We have two options,=
 become parties and not agree and let it die in<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; pro=
test,<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; we&#39;re not doing this again (post lin=
ks to all the prior actions)...<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; or<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&g=
t;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; ... participate including adding e=
very possible issue, such as,<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;occupation&quot=
;<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; is &quot;prejudicial&quot; -- based on what?, Doj=
arca trolling for editors, etc.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; and<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;=
&gt;&gt; &gt; burry them all so deep that it makes the concrete around the =
Chernobyl<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; reactor look like a quail&#39;s egg shell.<br>&gt=
;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; It may be worthwhile tr=
ying #1, that as a community, we are not going<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;=
 to<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; let<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; ourselves be dragged =
through the mud again.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=
 &gt; I&#39;m open to suggestions.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt;=
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; /Peters<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&=
gt; &gt; ________________________________<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Big =
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