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From: Martin <martint20@gmail.com>
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	Content preview: I think Sandstein said that he would accept
	overturning
	Russavia's ban if there was *consensus* among admins for such a thing, 
	which ofcourse applies to Loosmark too. I see no concensus forming
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I think Sandstein said that he would accept overturning Russavia's ban
if there was *consensus* among admins for such a thing, which ofcourse
applies to Loosmark too. I see no concensus forming among admins in
the case of Russavia.

I don't know if we should pile on pressure onto Sandstein over
Loosmark, just recently the question was asked if we should invite him
to this maillist and the view was that we didn't know enough about
him. What has changed since then?

The danger is that too much pressure may cause Sandstein to spit and
reverse the topic ban for both Russavia and Loosmark, like Thatcher
did. Sandstein has been fair to use with regard to a number EE
disputes (recall his closure without action of a number of AE case,
which Jehochman overturned and caused all that hassle)

Is saving Loosmark really worth undermining Sandstein?

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:59 PM, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:
> Watching both of these unfold - it looks like Loosmark is not going to get
> his appeal granted, while Sandstein has stated that he's willing to let
> another (uninvolved) admin revise Russavia's block.
>
> Someone should say something at some point:
>
> Loosmark followed proper procedures, filed a proper appeal, refrained from
> making attacks or insulting Sandstein or otherwise tried to intimidate him,
> did not canvass other admins/editors and, well, basically failed to generate
> sufficient drama to get his appeal revised. Basically for following the
> rules and behaving himself, Loosmark gets screwed.
> On the other hand, Russavia, posts long tireds on his talk page, lashes out
> and uses profanity at Sandstein, goes to all kinds of other editors, becomes
> even more incivil and provocative, makes statements about "fighting",
> blatantly misrepresents Sandstein's comments, and generally acts like a
> total asshole and now it appears that he's got a chance to get his topic ban
> reviewed (never mind the overall ban).
> The lesson here seems to be that actually following wiki policies, being
> polite, following rules is a bad idea and being loud, obnoxious and incivil
> is the way to get what you want. Not good incentives.
>
> If nobody else wants to say it, I'll say something (toned down) like that to
> Sandstein.
>
> Radek
>
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