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I've observed the PRM as part of a wider and interesting politological
 phenomenon. In post-socialist countries that were or felt to be
(nationally) subordinated to _a_ Big Brother, nationalists more or
less equal centre-right/right-wing/pro-free market etc. In Estonia,
Latvia, Hungary, yes, Croatia. Ex-commies play the role of ''nice
guys'' supporting social cohesion and ''friendship of peoples''. The
latter role in Estonia has  - due to the complete marginality of
postcommunist Left Party or whatever it's called - fallen to our
Centre Party.

On the other hand, where ex-commies/nomenklatura members could present
the role of nationalist strongmen (Milosevic's ''Socialist'' Party),
Russia's KPRF, and similarly PRM (their leaders either authors of
Ceausescu panegyrics or just close to Securitate, yes?), radical
nationalism tended to associate more with the nomenklatura forces
(''Left-wing nationalism'').

M.

On 10/06/2009, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/6/10 Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>
>
>> Come on, 95% of the European officials are euro-utopists and often loose
>>> connection with reality.
>>>
>>
> True.  That's where the European bureaucrats (or Eurocrats) come into play.
>  One of the reasons why there has to be so many of them is to make sure that
> silly projects can not be carried through too fast.
>
>
>> As for military integration, why would you want to build something to
>>> replace NATO unless you are anti-NATO?
>>>
>>
> It depends on the applicable military doctrine.  In general, heterogeneous
> structures are less vulnerable to systemic troubles, but costlier to
> maintain.  It might be claimed that having a para-NATO makes EU stronger.
>  But then again, NATO is itself organised in a rather heterogeneous manner,
> so in the current political climate, I don't think it's necessary.  In
> particular, it probably is not worth the cost.
>
> During the communist regime, Vadim ran a pamphlet magazine famous for
>>> attacking dissidents. Becali is half-literate. What "constructive" you
>>> expect from them? During the famous December 2006 Basescu's speech in the
>>> Romanian Parliament with the report of the presidential commission
>>> condamning communism, Vadim ran an ugly circus, interrupting it 20 times.
>>>
>>
> Ah.  That sort of circus.
>
> --
> Andres Soolo
>

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