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Andrei, this is what he says on his talk page.=20
=A0
Anyway, I was sarcastic about his education. Many of my friends have no for=
mal education at all, in fact I was raised with soccer hooligans and people=
 of this kind, yet I was often surprised at their practical knowledge and a=
t the questions they often asked me. My best friend has only completed elem=
entary school, and I feel better with him than with people I met at my univ=
ersity.
=A0
Tymek

--- On Mon, 9/7/09, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [WPM] DYK for Nazi-Soviet military parade in Brzesc
To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 1:31 PM


Piotr,

Why do you think that Paul Siebert has a PhD degree and published anything =
in academic journals? Because he said so?




On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:00 PM, piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> wrote=
:






Has anybody nominated the article to DYK?=20
=A0
Tymek


--- On Mon, 9/7/09, PetersJV@aol.com <PetersJV@aol.com> wrote:



From: PetersJV@aol.com <PetersJV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [WPM] DYK for Nazi-Soviet military parade in Brzesc
To: folks@wikipedometer.net
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 10:34 AM







In a message dated 9/7/2009 2:32:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, basiaipiotr=
@yahoo.com writes:

Peters, I know about it all. I talk about such idiots as user Paul Siebert,=
 who has a Doctor of Philosophy degree, and who has published peer-reviewed=
 articles in academic journals in case somebody wanted to know. Look here, =
this is what he answered to me:
=A0
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Paul_Siebert&diff=3Dp=
rev&oldid=3D296381035=A0
=A0
Looks like you one can have all the=A0formal education degrees, and still b=
e a bird brain.
=A0
Tymek



=A0
As we can see...
=A0
"ii) there were neither cooperation nor even coordination between Germany a=
nd the USSR during the most crucial period of the invasion; "
=A0
Of course, categorically incorrect, given the radio transmissions et al. =
=A0(I'll need to go back to the article and that passage....)
=A0
The issue is academics who approach history with=A0their personal POV. I do=
 that too, but the difference is I am willing to admit I don't know everyth=
ing and to change my POV based on facts. Siebert represents a whole class o=
f academics--whether intentional or unwitting Soviet apologists--who go "LA=
 LA LA LA LA" very loudly when hearing anything contradicting them--or to b=
ecome antagonistic=A0in the defense of their position.
=A0
Mark Tauger (professor at University of West Virginia) comes to mind regard=
ing the Holodomor. You should read some of his rants where he goes off on p=
eople who disagree with him.
=A0
West Virginia, the state where they shave tops off of mountains and build a=
irports so that if you miss the runway you die... sorry, couldn't resist...=
 terrain map of Yeager Airport, Charleston, West Virginia...
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&source=3Ds_q&hl=3Den&geocode=3D&q=3Dyeage=
r+airport,+charleston,+west+virginia&sll=3D38.373828,-81.591082&sspn=3D0.04=
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=A0
/Peters





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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Andrei, this is what he says on his talk=
 page. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, I was sarcastic about his education. Many of my friends have n=
o formal education at all, in fact I was raised with soccer hooligans and p=
eople of this kind, yet I was often surprised at their practical knowledge =
and at the questions they often asked me. My best friend has only completed=
 elementary school, and I feel better with him than with people I met at my=
 university.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Tymek<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 9/7/09, Andrei Dombay <I>&lt;wikibiophys@g=
mail.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Andrei Dombay &lt;wikibiophys@gmail.com&gt;=
<BR>Subject: Re: [WPM] DYK for Nazi-Soviet military parade in Brzesc<BR>To:=
 "Wikipedia statistics" &lt;folks@wikipedometer.net&gt;<BR>Date: Monday, Se=
ptember 7, 2009, 1:31 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv624307940>Piotr,<BR><BR>Why do you think that Paul Siebert has=
 a PhD degree and published anything in academic journals? Because he said =
so?<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:00 PM, piotr micula <SPA=
N dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Db=
asiaipiotr@yahoo.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:basi=
aipiotr@yahoo.com">basiaipiotr@yahoo.com</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt=
 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
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<DIV>Has anybody nominated the article to DYK? </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Tymek
<DIV class=3Dim><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 9/7/09, <A href=3D"http://us.mc328.m=
ail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DPetersJV@aol.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofol=
low ymailto=3D"mailto:PetersJV@aol.com">PetersJV@aol.com</A> <I>&lt;<A href=
=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DPetersJV@aol.com" target=
=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:PetersJV@aol.com">PetersJV@aol.c=
om</A>&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid">
<DIV class=3Dim><BR>From: <A href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/comp=
ose?to=3DPetersJV@aol.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto=
:PetersJV@aol.com">PetersJV@aol.com</A> &lt;<A href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail=
.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DPetersJV@aol.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow=
 ymailto=3D"mailto:PetersJV@aol.com">PetersJV@aol.com</A>&gt;<BR>Subject: R=
e: [WPM] DYK for Nazi-Soviet military parade in Brzesc<BR>To: <A href=3D"ht=
tp://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dfolks@wikipedometer.net" targe=
t=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net">folks@=
wikipedometer.net</A><BR></DIV>Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 10:34 AM
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dh5><BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 9/7/2009 2:32:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <A hre=
f=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dbasiaipiotr@yahoo.com" =
target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:basiaipiotr@yahoo.com">bas=
iaipiotr@yahoo.com</A> writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=
 2px solid"><FONT style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial colo=
r=3D#000000 size=3D3>
<DIV>Peters, I know about it all. I talk about such idiots as user Paul Sie=
bert, who has a Doctor of Philosophy degree, and who has published peer-rev=
iewed articles in <B>academic journals</B> in case somebody wanted to know.=
 Look here, this is what he answered to me:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A title=3Dhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Paul_=
Siebert&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D296381035 href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.o=
rg/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Paul_Siebert&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D2=
96381035" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.ph=
p?title=3DUser_talk:Paul_Siebert&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D296381035</A>&=
nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Looks like you one can have all the&nbsp;formal education degrees, and=
 still be a bird brain.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Tymek<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>As we can see...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>"ii) there were neither cooperation nor even coordination between Germ=
any and the USSR during the most crucial period of the invasion; "</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Of course, categorically incorrect, given the radio transmissions et a=
l. &nbsp;(I'll need to go back to the article and that passage....)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The issue is academics who approach history with&nbsp;their personal P=
OV. I do that too, but the difference is I am willing to admit I don't know=
 everything and to change my POV based on facts. Siebert represents a whole=
 class of academics--whether intentional or unwitting Soviet apologists--wh=
o go "LA LA LA LA LA" very loudly when hearing anything contradicting them-=
-or to become antagonistic&nbsp;in the defense of their position.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Mark Tauger (professor at University of West Virginia) comes to mind r=
egarding the Holodomor. You should read some of his rants where he goes off=
 on people who disagree with him.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>West Virginia, the state where they shave tops off of mountains and bu=
ild airports so that if you miss the runway you die... sorry, couldn't resi=
st... terrain map of Yeager Airport, Charleston, West Virginia...</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&amp;source=3Ds_q&amp;hl=
=3Den&amp;geocode=3D&amp;q=3Dyeager+airport,+charleston,+west+virginia&amp;=
sll=3D38.373828,-81.591082&amp;sspn=3D0.048919,0.048494&amp;ie=3DUTF8&amp;l=
l=3D38.3708,-81.596231&amp;spn=3D0.048921,0.048494&amp;t=3Dp&amp;z=3D14" ta=
rget=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&amp;source=
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mp;z=3D14</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>/Peters</DIV></FONT>
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