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Oh come on Molobo. You never hesitate to use obsolete, Communist propaganda=
=C2=A0sources in your never-ending wars with the Germans.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Tymek
=C2=A0

--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [WPM] a thought for the near future
To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 8:19 PM


And lastly, another Polish user-Lysy-is also opposed to your edit and
expressed it on discussion page in particular to use of unreliable
sources like Nortom or Polish nationalists.

2009/9/1 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>:
> In short you made a very POV-edit based on unreliable sources coming
> from an anti-Ukrainian organisation, and in the lead.
> With a gross overinflation of number of Polish casualties.
> Are you seriously surprised that such POV-ed information was removed
> from the lead ?
>
> 2009/9/1 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>:
>> Also Szczepan Siekierka is from a heavily nationalist Polish
>> organization that seems to have a particular anti-Ukrainian bias.
>> It isn't wise to use such sources, I suggest you take a pause in
>> editing this article.
>>
>> 2009/9/1 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>:
>>> The text edited out by Ostap doesn't seem to be quite reliable. I mean
>>> "wydawnictwo norton" ?
>>>
>>> Could you use more reliable sources and less pov-ed (I mean the
>>> ludob=C3=B3jstwo title doesn't indicate neutrality)
>>>
>>> In short I think you are describing edit of Ostap too strongly. I
>>> wouldn't support those works or information in lead either.
>>>
>>> 2009/9/1 Richard Tylman <poeticbent@hotmail.com>:
>>>> Please respond in kind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ostap R has reverted everything I=E2=80=99ve done in one sweep today (=
-2,724
>>>> characters)=E2=80=A6 no discussion, no middle ground, nothing. That, a=
nd of course,
>>>> his angry edit summary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can we please attempt to have some mutual respect around here at least=
,
>>>> among the members of our club if anywhere? I=E2=80=99m not Ostap=E2=80=
=99s enemy. I always
>>>> stay away from bad sources and acknowledge the good work of others. I
>>>> contribute to Wikipedia only what I find to be of importance for the b=
enefit
>>>> of others.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If Ostap feels OK to work behind my back out there, than I don=E2=80=
=99t want my
>>>> messages posted here to be read by him with the potential for being us=
ed
>>>> against me. We both mix like oil and water apparently, so something ha=
s to
>>>> give.
>>>>
>>>> Richard (Poeticbent) Tylman
>>>>
>>>> Follow the link please:
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DMassacres_of_Poles_in_Volh=
ynia&curid=3D464698&diff=3D311168081&oldid=3D311161466
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Oh come on Molobo. You never hesitate to=
 use obsolete, Communist propaganda&nbsp;sources in your never-ending wars =
with the Germans.&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Tymek</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 8/31/09, Molobo Molobo <I>&lt;molobus@gmail.com&gt;=
</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Molobo Molobo &lt;molobus@gmail.com&gt;<BR>=
Subject: Re: [WPM] a thought for the near future<BR>To: "Wikipedia statisti=
cs" &lt;folks@wikipedometer.net&gt;<BR>Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 8:19 =
PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3DplainMail>And lastly, another Polish user-Lysy-is also opposed=
 to your edit and<BR>expressed it on discussion page in particular to use o=
f unreliable<BR>sources like Nortom or Polish nationalists.<BR><BR>2009/9/1=
 Molobo Molobo &lt;<A href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=
=3Dmolobus@gmail.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.co=
m</A>&gt;:<BR>&gt; In short you made a very POV-edit based on unreliable so=
urces coming<BR>&gt; from an anti-Ukrainian organisation, and in the lead.<=
BR>&gt; With a gross overinflation of number of Polish casualties.<BR>&gt; =
Are you seriously surprised that such POV-ed information was removed<BR>&gt=
; from the lead ?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; 2009/9/1 Molobo Molobo &lt;<A href=3D"htt=
p://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dmolobus@gmail.com" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.com</A>&gt;:<BR>&gt;&gt; Also Szczep=
an Siekierka is from a heavily nationalist Polish<BR>&gt;&gt; organization =
that
 seems to have a particular anti-Ukrainian bias.<BR>&gt;&gt; It isn't wise =
to use such sources, I suggest you take a pause in<BR>&gt;&gt; editing this=
 article.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; 2009/9/1 Molobo Molobo &lt;<A href=3D"htt=
p://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dmolobus@gmail.com" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.com</A>&gt;:<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; The tex=
t edited out by Ostap doesn't seem to be quite reliable. I mean<BR>&gt;&gt;=
&gt; "wydawnictwo norton" ?<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Could you use m=
ore reliable sources and less pov-ed (I mean the<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; ludob=C3=
=B3jstwo title doesn't indicate neutrality)<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;=
 In short I think you are describing edit of Ostap too strongly. I<BR>&gt;&=
gt;&gt; wouldn't support those works or information in lead either.<BR>&gt;=
&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 2009/9/1 Richard Tylman &lt;<A href=3D"http://us.m=
c328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dpoeticbent@hotmail.com"
 ymailto=3D"mailto:poeticbent@hotmail.com">poeticbent@hotmail.com</A>&gt;:<=
BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Please respond in kind<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&=
gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ostap R has reverted everyt=
hing I=E2=80=99ve done in one sweep today (-2,724<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; chara=
cters)=E2=80=A6 no discussion, no middle ground, nothing. That, and of cour=
se,<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; his angry edit summary.<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;=
&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Can we please attempt =
to have some mutual respect around here at least,<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; among=
 the members of our club if anywhere? I=E2=80=99m not Ostap=E2=80=99s enemy=
. I always<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; stay away from bad sources and acknowledge t=
he good work of others. I<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; contribute to Wikipedia only =
what I find to be of importance for the benefit<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of othe=
rs.<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;=
&gt;&gt; If Ostap
 feels OK to work behind my back out there, than I don=E2=80=99t want my<BR=
>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; messages posted here to be read by him with the potential=
 for being used<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; against me. We both mix like oil and wa=
ter apparently, so something has to<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; give.<BR>&gt;&gt;&g=
t;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Richard (Poeticbent) Tylman<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<=
BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Follow the link please:<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <A href=3D"=
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DMassacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia&=
amp;curid=3D464698&amp;diff=3D311168081&amp;oldid=3D311161466" target=3D_bl=
ank>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DMassacres_of_Poles_in_Volhy=
nia&amp;curid=3D464698&amp;diff=3D311168081&amp;oldid=3D311161466</A><BR>&g=
t;&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<=
BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ________________________________<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ne=
w! Open Hotmail faster on the new MSN homepage!<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
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