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Molobo, thanks for this post, I guess it clarifies the situation now. Olech=
owski (or better -people behind him) made a very shrewd move, recreating a =
party from Communist times. Surely, his Democratic Alliance has nothing to =
do with pre-1989 Stronnictwo Demokratyczne, except for the name, but the re=
al estate is real, and it is worth millions.
=A0
I will be watching TVN now, I am pretty sure that good days for the Civic P=
latform are over. Only a few days ago all "experts" there were saying that =
the crisis has not touched Poland, and the country is run by proffessionals=
. Now, within a matter of days, TVN and Gazeta Wyborcza have changed their =
tone, talking about possible collapse of Polish finances and lack of public=
 support for Donald Tusk (http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80271,68=
34804,Tusk_nie_na_miare_kryzysu.html)
=A0
This was unheard of only a few weeks ago.=20
=A0
So we can expect more of this now, as it clearly looks like the razvedka an=
d its media have decided to abandon the Platform.=20
=A0
Tymek

--- On Sun, 7/19/09, Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [WPM] New party on Polish political stage
To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 7:57 AM


Oh, also Piskorski said that money he gained was from "antique staffs"
he found in his attic(seriously).

As to the media-in Poland there are very few "free" media. Most of the
media market is owned by people associated with former communists and
whose interests would be threatened by anti-corruption
campaign-Walter, Solorz. Additionally a lot of the journalists are
very supportive of=A0 PO-I believe around 70% of them voted for the
party according to polls.

"Wikipedia says Olechowski
is joining Stronnictwo Demokratyczne, a centrist party that used to be
one of 3 legal parties in communist Poland."

A funny thing-it was quite unimportant in communist Poland-but as all
parties it had to have headquarters in major cities. So the communists
gave them some buildings for representation purpouses. Now of course
it turns out that as they were located in city centers, in capitalists
Poland they are worth a fortune. The party intends to sell those for
campaign funding.

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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Molobo, thanks for this post, I guess it=
 clarifies the situation now. Olechowski (or better -people behind him) mad=
e a very shrewd move, recreating a party from Communist times. Surely, his =
Democratic Alliance has nothing to do with pre-1989 Stronnictwo Demokratycz=
ne, except for the name, but the real estate is real, and it is worth milli=
ons.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I will be watching TVN now, I am pretty sure that good days for the Ci=
vic Platform are over. Only a few days ago all "experts" there were saying =
that the crisis has not touched Poland, and the country is run by proffessi=
onals. Now, within a matter of days, TVN and Gazeta Wyborcza have changed t=
heir tone, talking about possible collapse of Polish finances and lack of p=
ublic support for Donald Tusk (<A href=3D"http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiado=
mosci/1,80271,6834804,Tusk_nie_na_miare_kryzysu.html">http://wiadomosci.gaz=
eta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80271,6834804,Tusk_nie_na_miare_kryzysu.html</A>)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>This was unheard of only a few weeks ago. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>So we can expect more of this now, as it clearly looks like the razved=
ka and its media have decided to abandon the Platform. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Tymek<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 7/19/09, Molobo Molobo <I>&lt;molobus@gmai=
l.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Molobo Molobo &lt;molobus@gmail.com&gt;<BR>=
Subject: Re: [WPM] New party on Polish political stage<BR>To: "Wikipedia st=
atistics" &lt;folks@wikipedometer.net&gt;<BR>Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 7=
:57 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3DplainMail>Oh, also Piskorski said that money he gained was fro=
m "antique staffs"<BR>he found in his attic(seriously).<BR><BR>As to the me=
dia-in Poland there are very few "free" media. Most of the<BR>media market =
is owned by people associated with former communists and<BR>whose interests=
 would be threatened by anti-corruption<BR>campaign-Walter, Solorz. Additio=
nally a lot of the journalists are<BR>very supportive of&nbsp; PO-I believe=
 around 70% of them voted for the<BR>party according to polls.<BR><BR>"Wiki=
pedia says Olechowski<BR>is joining Stronnictwo Demokratyczne, a centrist p=
arty that used to be<BR>one of 3 legal parties in communist Poland."<BR><BR=
>A funny thing-it was quite unimportant in communist Poland-but as all<BR>p=
arties it had to have headquarters in major cities. So the communists<BR>ga=
ve them some buildings for representation purpouses. Now of course<BR>it tu=
rns out that as they were located in city centers, in
 capitalists<BR>Poland they are worth a fortune. The party intends to sell =
those for<BR>campaign funding.<BR><BR>_____________________________________=
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