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Wow ! Radek, that is nice "arsenal" you have now.

--- On Tue, 9/8/09, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:

From: radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [WPM] DYK for Nazi-Soviet military parade in Brze=C5=9B=C4=87
To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 2:24 PM

BTW, today I found in a Gdansk bookstore=C2=A0 "Devil's Reporter" by Georg =
Schmidt. It's not the same as "Report from Hell" (I think) that Molobo refe=
rred to but it's got a bit on the parade that I'll include shortly.
=0A
I got a few other good sources for future articles as well, and I might as =
well list them here in case anyone's got any comments or suggestions on the=
m (they mostly have to do with Polish history though):
"Shield and Sword of Communism" - the previously mentioned history of Polis=
h secret police UB, published by IPN. Some good stuff in there, including a=
 list of few massacres perpetrated against civilians by UB in the late 40's=
 and 50's.
=0A"Jews in the Uprising" - this topic - Jews in Polish underground and in =
AK - has interested me for awhile and it might come in handy if the whole B=
oodles/Mordoor thing flares up again. It doesn't whitewash stuff either (on=
ly got through about a third of it though)
=0A"Wielkopolskie Uprising" - for Herkus and Skapperod, obviously. Haven't =
really cracked this one open, aside from reading the introduction.
"Crimes of Wermacht in Poland" - German historian, new book seems really go=
od. For the usual trolls like Matthead and Kurfurst.
=0AGuidebook for the Warsaw Uprising Museum, in English, got it mostly for =
my wife who doesn't speak Polish. There's an interesting article to be writ=
ten about Slovak units in the uprising who apparantly were the only foreign=
ers who got to serve in their own units with their own colors/armbands. Not=
 sure if this is already somewhere. Other good stuff for a few biographies =
and there should probably be some info on the role of Hungarian units durin=
g the uprising (serving under the Germans but actually very supportive of t=
he uprising)
=0A"Fire in Bieszczady" by Motyka - got this one cuz the guy's name has com=
e up several times in some of the recent Polish-Ukrainian disputes and want=
ed to check it out, since I haven't read him before. He seems straight up a=
nd even handed - has a whole chapter countering anti-Ukrainian communist pr=
opaganda from the pre-89 days.
=0AGibraltar - on Sikorski's death. Still haven't made up my mind what I th=
ink of all the latest conspiracy theories (British and Soviets killed him) =
going around.
Book of AK documents. Primary source but useful.
=0AA book on Heda "Szary" - though after reading it he comes off a little l=
ike an old man telling some tales (particularly on how he stood up to the s=
ecret police interogators - everything I've read on this suggests that that=
 kind of thing wasn't really possible).
=0Aand a few others.

In order to avoid baggage fees we've mailed all of these to US (which is wh=
y I'm not listing the authors) so I actually won't have access to them unti=
l they arrive but there's a lot of good stuff in them for Wiki articles.
=0A
Radek



2009/9/8 Martin <martint20@gmail.com>
=0AThe seizure of Tallinn by Soviet forces. My understanding is that
=0AGerman forces already abandoned the city a couple days before, the
=0Apre-war government attempted to re-assert sovereignty, but Soviet
=0Aforces quickly crushed that attempt.
=0A
=0AOn Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Piotr Konieczny<piokon@post.pl> wrote:
=0A> Digwuren wrote:
=0A>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 04:42, Martin <martint20@gmail.com
=0A>> <mailto:martint20@gmail.com>> wrote:
=0A>>
=0A>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Nice work guys. This article should be nominated for DY=
K, and again
=0A>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 for "On this day..." for the 75th anniversary of the pa=
rade on
=0A>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 September 22.
=0A>>
=0A>>
=0A>> So THAT is why other, more "glorious" events of the War that happened=
 on
=0A>> September 22 are so important to the Cartel!
=0A>
=0A> Huh? What other events? Diffs?
=0A>
=0A>
=0A> --
=0A> Piotr Konieczny
=0A>
=0A> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
=0A> theory."
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Wow ! Radek, that is nice "arsenal" you have =
now<img src=3D"http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/01.gif">.<=
br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 9/8/09, radek szulga <i>&lt;rsszulga@gmail.com&gt;</i=
></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255=
); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: radek szulga &lt;rsszulg=
a@gmail.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [WPM] DYK for Nazi-Soviet military parade i=
n Brze=C5=9B=C4=87<br>To: "Wikipedia statistics" &lt;folks@wikipedometer.ne=
t&gt;<br>Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 2:24 PM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv362=
730775">BTW, today I found in a Gdansk bookstore&nbsp; "Devil's Reporter" b=
y Georg Schmidt. It's not the same as "Report from Hell" (I think) that Mol=
obo referred to but it's got a bit on the parade that I'll include shortly.=
<br>=0A<br>I got a few other good sources for future articles as well, and =
I might as well list them here in case anyone's got any comments or suggest=
ions on them (they mostly have to do with Polish history though):<br>"Shiel=
d and Sword of Communism" - the previously mentioned history of Polish secr=
et police UB, published by IPN. Some good stuff in there, including a list =
of few massacres perpetrated against civilians by UB in the late 40's and 5=
0's.<br>=0A"Jews in the Uprising" - this topic - Jews in Polish underground=
 and in AK - has interested me for awhile and it might come in handy if the=
 whole Boodles/Mordoor thing flares up again. It doesn't whitewash stuff ei=
ther (only got through about a third of it though)<br>=0A"Wielkopolskie Upr=
ising" - for Herkus and Skapperod, obviously. Haven't really cracked this o=
ne open, aside from reading the introduction.<br>"Crimes of Wermacht in Pol=
and" - German historian, new book seems really good. For the usual trolls l=
ike Matthead and Kurfurst.<br>=0AGuidebook for the Warsaw Uprising Museum, =
in English, got it mostly for my wife who doesn't speak Polish. There's an =
interesting article to be written about Slovak units in the uprising who ap=
parantly were the only foreigners who got to serve in their own units with =
their own colors/armbands. Not sure if this is already somewhere. Other goo=
d stuff for a few biographies and there should probably be some info on the=
 role of Hungarian units during the uprising (serving under the Germans but=
 actually very supportive of the uprising)<br>=0A"Fire in Bieszczady" by Mo=
tyka - got this one cuz the guy's name has come up several times in some of=
 the recent Polish-Ukrainian disputes and wanted to check it out, since I h=
aven't read him before. He seems straight up and even handed - has a whole =
chapter countering anti-Ukrainian communist propaganda from the pre-89 days=
.<br>=0AGibraltar - on Sikorski's death. Still haven't made up my mind what=
 I think of all the latest conspiracy theories (British and Soviets killed =
him) going around.<br>Book of AK documents. Primary source but useful.<br>=
=0AA book on Heda "Szary" - though after reading it he comes off a little l=
ike an old man telling some tales (particularly on how he stood up to the s=
ecret police interogators - everything I've read on this suggests that that=
 kind of thing wasn't really possible).<br>=0Aand a few others.<br><br>In o=
rder to avoid baggage fees we've mailed all of these to US (which is why I'=
m not listing the authors) so I actually won't have access to them until th=
ey arrive but there's a lot of good stuff in them for Wiki articles.<br>=0A=
<br>Radek<br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/8 Martin <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:martint20@gmail.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Dmartint20@gmail.com">martint20@gm=
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-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1e=
x;">=0AThe seizure of Tallinn by Soviet forces. My understanding is that<br=
>=0AGerman forces already abandoned the city a couple days before, the<br>=
=0Apre-war government attempted to re-assert sovereignty, but Soviet<br>=0A=
forces quickly crushed that attempt.<br>=0A<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5=
"><br>=0AOn Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Piotr Konieczny&lt;piokon@post.pl&=
gt; wrote:<br>=0A&gt; Digwuren wrote:<br>=0A&gt;&gt; On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at=
 04:42, Martin &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:martint20@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Dmartint20@gmail.com">martint2=
0@gmail.com</a><br>=0A&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"ma=
ilto:martint20@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Dmartin=
t20@gmail.com">martint20@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>=0A&gt;&gt;<br>=0A=
&gt;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Nice work guys. This article should be nominated for=
 DYK, and again<br>=0A&gt;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; for "On this day..." for the 7=
5th anniversary of the parade on<br>=0A&gt;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; September 22.=
<br>=0A&gt;&gt;<br>=0A&gt;&gt;<br>=0A&gt;&gt; So THAT is why other, more "g=
lorious" events of the War that happened on<br>=0A&gt;&gt; September 22 are=
 so important to the Cartel!<br>=0A&gt;<br>=0A&gt; Huh? What other events? =
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