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Miacek and his crime-fighting dog wrote:
> You seem to have rather well familiarized yourself with different
> types of German nationalist, Neo-Nazi, Holocaust denial accounts and
> similar trolls in Wiki. Do you happen to recall some Polish
> nationalists, too, whom you've encountered here in wiki?

One editor who comes to mind as the best case study of true Polish 
nationalist on en wiki is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Krzyzowiec
He represented the Polish far right neo-Nazi/endencja fringe 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Revival_of_Poland) - pro-Radio 
Maryja, pro-endecja*, anti-semitic, anti-liberal, etc. Due to the 
extreme form of some of his edits, incivility and edit warring, he got a 
1-year ban that will expire in November.

The pro-Silesia faction that Molobo mentioned is represented by 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:LUCPOL
His English are poor, and hence he is not very active here.

And then there is the infamous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Serafin
but to be honest, I know little about him. He was never involved in 
Polish community, and seems be content creating socks to edit war on 
Copernicus and such. Still, due to his activity, he is somewhat known.
He was banned and discussed mostly without my knowledge (or regret), 
which also proves the importance of being a part of a community/cabal if 
one wants to successfully edit controversial articles.

Finally, it may be interesting to try to analyze why editors such as 
Molobo, Halibutt (great loss to Wikipedia that he left...), or even 
myself are being called by some "Polish nationalists". In particular, 
our enemies seem to have successfully portrayed Molobo as a "Polish 
nationalist"; before Molobo comes back to Wikipedia, it is imperative 
that we figure out how this happened so that his new incarnation 
(whether it is in a year or sooner) will not get the same label.

*the endecja issue is one where I think we could, if needed, try to 
create an impression of conflict among Polish wikipedians, as I know 
some of us are pro-endecja and others are anti-endecja. But I don't see 
much benefit from creating (an appearance of) such a conflict.


-- 
Piotr Konieczny

"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in 
theory."

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