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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:12:08 -0500
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From: radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
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	Content preview: I think your sociological rants are pretty on target.
	I
	think your analogy with the frontier societies is a little bit like
	this
	group here though. Out at the frontier and in the wilderness, in order
	to protect the little corner of the world that the settlers moved into, 
	they'd band together for both external protection but also to be able
	to
	tie the obnoxious people to trees for the grizzlies. Which means that
	these sort of cabals are a fairly "natural" social evolution for places
	like Wikipedia, which does have a lot of screwed up incentives. [...] 
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	Content preview:  I think your sociological rants are pretty on target. I
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I think your sociological rants are pretty on target. I think your
analogy with the frontier societies is a little bit like this group
here though. Out at the frontier and in the wilderness, in order to
protect the little corner of the world that the settlers moved into,
they'd band together for both external protection but also to be able
to tie the obnoxious people to trees for the grizzlies. Which means
that these sort of cabals are a fairly "natural" social evolution for
places like Wikipedia, which does have a lot of screwed up incentives.

Radek


2009/6/12 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>:
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:52, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes.
>
> In this case, you're eminently qualified to point out mistakes in my
> sociological rants. =A0:-) =A0Please, do so, when you get the time.
>
>>
>> For the record, that bad review is for a class I've never even taught.
>> We have a summer program at Cambridge so that's where I'll be
>> teaching. It also includes a bunch of traveling around.
>
> Speaking of sociological rants, I think that it's a case similar to
> Wikipedia's problems. =A0Traditional societies have been relying on long-=
term
> contact between participants, which means that it's socially rewarding to
> behave in a civil manner. =A0Online societies are very often based on ran=
dom
> interactions between strangers (which Wikipedia often enforces, both
> explicitly and implicitly) and this means that uninformed rants and troll=
ing
> can be socially more rewarding than doing Things Right, or Right Things.
> =A0Assigning random people random scores will probably increase his
> "contribution count", leading other people see this one as "active
> contributor"; if he would have taken time to make sure to get the basic
> facts right, he would not have earned any such points. =A0Thus, for social
> standing, filing nonsensical report is valued more than due diligence.
> There might be some similarities between online societies and frontier
> societies, except that on Wikipedia, villagers will never tie obnoxious
> people to a tree as a grizzly snack.
> --
> Andres Soolo
>
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