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I have an online source to the German report from the events made by
Schmidt. It's much different  from the later Soviet version(we were tired
and Guderian insisted on parade):

http://www.srodki-dydaktyczne.men.gov.pl/filmy/files/the_17th_of_september.=
pdf

In Brest on the Bug Wehrmacht and the Soviet Army organised the
march-past in honour of both aggressors=92 armies. Generals Guderian and
Krivoschejn took the salute.
The officers of the III armoured division have received the invitation from
general Krivoschejn, the commander of Soviet armoured brigade. Krivoschejn
proposed a toast to our both commanders, coming from people. The meal was
served in the tent of the general who was coming down from the old tsar=92s
army,
speaking French fluently and who had been decorated with Lenin=92s order.
General asked to forgive him not to having invited ladies. He gave us his
new
address in Moscow and invited us to visit him after the victory over
capitalistic
England.
Georg Schmidt =94The report from the hell=94


2009/9/7 piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>

> Andrei, this is what he says on his talk page.
>
> Anyway, I was sarcastic about his education. Many of my friends have no
> formal education at all, in fact I was raised with soccer hooligans and
> people of this kind, yet I was often surprised at their practical knowled=
ge
> and at the questions they often asked me. My best friend has only complet=
ed
> elementary school, and I feel better with him than with people I met at m=
y
> university.
>
> Tymek
>
> --- On *Mon, 9/7/09, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] DYK for Nazi-Soviet military parade in Brzesc
> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 1:31 PM
>
>
> Piotr,
>
> Why do you think that Paul Siebert has a PhD degree and published anythin=
g
> in academic journals? Because he said so?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:00 PM, piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com<http=
://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dbasiaipiotr@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>>   Has anybody nominated the article to DYK?
>>
>> Tymek
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 9/7/09, PetersJV@aol.com<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/=
compose?to=3DPetersJV@aol.com>
>> <PetersJV@aol.com<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DPetersJ=
V@aol.com>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: PetersJV@aol.com<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DPe=
tersJV@aol.com><
>> PetersJV@aol.com<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DPetersJV=
@aol.com>
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [WPM] DYK for Nazi-Soviet military parade in Brzesc
>> To: folks@wikipedometer.net<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=
=3Dfolks@wikipedometer.net>
>> Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 10:34 AM
>>
>>
>>  In a message dated 9/7/2009 2:32:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> basiaipiotr@yahoo.com<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dbas=
iaipiotr@yahoo.com>writes:
>>
>> Peters, I know about it all. I talk about such idiots as user Paul
>> Siebert, who has a Doctor of Philosophy degree, and who has published
>> peer-reviewed articles in *academic journals* in case somebody wanted to
>> know. Look here, this is what he answered to me:
>>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Paul_Siebert&diff=
=3Dprev&oldid=3D296381035
>>
>>
>> Looks like you one can have all the formal education degrees, and still =
be
>> a bird brain.
>>
>> Tymek
>>
>>
>> As we can see...
>>
>> "ii) there were neither cooperation nor even coordination between German=
y
>> and the USSR during the most crucial period of the invasion; "
>>
>> Of course, categorically incorrect, given the radio transmissions et al.
>>  (I'll need to go back to the article and that passage....)
>>
>> The issue is academics who approach history with their personal POV. I d=
o
>> that too, but the difference is I am willing to admit I don't know
>> everything and to change my POV based on facts. Siebert represents a who=
le
>> class of academics--whether intentional or unwitting Soviet apologists--=
who
>> go "LA LA LA LA LA" very loudly when hearing anything contradicting them=
--or
>> to become antagonistic in the defense of their position.
>>
>> Mark Tauger (professor at University of West Virginia) comes to mind
>> regarding the Holodomor. You should read some of his rants where he goes=
 off
>> on people who disagree with him.
>>
>> West Virginia, the state where they shave tops off of mountains and buil=
d
>> airports so that if you miss the runway you die... sorry, couldn't resis=
t...
>> terrain map of Yeager Airport, Charleston, West Virginia...
>>
>> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&source=3Ds_q&hl=3Den&geocode=3D&q=3Dye=
ager+airport,+charleston,+west+virginia&sll=3D38.373828,-81.591082&sspn=3D0=
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>>
>> /Peters
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I have an online source to the German report from the events made by Schmid=
t. It&#39;s much different=A0 from the later Soviet version(we were tired a=
nd Guderian insisted on parade):<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.srodki-dydakt=
yczne.men.gov.pl/filmy/files/the_17th_of_september.pdf">http://www.srodki-d=
ydaktyczne.men.gov.pl/filmy/files/the_17th_of_september.pdf</a><br>
<br>In Brest on the Bug Wehrmacht and the Soviet Army organised the<br>marc=
h-past in honour of both aggressors=92 armies. Generals Guderian and<br>Kri=
voschejn took the salute.<br>The officers of the III armoured division have=
 received the invitation from<br>
general Krivoschejn, the commander of Soviet armoured brigade. Krivoschejn<=
br>proposed a toast to our both commanders, coming from people. The meal wa=
s<br>served in the tent of the general who was coming down from the old tsa=
r=92s army,<br>
speaking French fluently and who had been decorated with Lenin=92s order.<b=
r>General asked to forgive him not to having invited ladies. He gave us his=
 new<br>address in Moscow and invited us to visit him after the victory ove=
r capitalistic<br>
England.<br>Georg Schmidt =94The report from the hell=94<br><br><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/7 piotr micula <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:basiaipiotr@yahoo.com">basiaipiotr@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span><br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, =
204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td styl=
e=3D"font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font=
-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjus=
t: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;" valign=3D"top">
<div>Andrei, this is what he says on his talk page. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Anyway, I was sarcastic about his education. Many of my friends have n=
o formal education at all, in fact I was raised with soccer hooligans and p=
eople of this kind, yet I was often surprised at their practical knowledge =
and at the questions they often asked me. My best friend has only completed=
 elementary school, and I feel better with him than with people I met at my=
 university.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Tymek<br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 9/7/09, Andrei Dombay <i>&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:wikibiophys@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">wikibiophys@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
</i></b> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left:=
 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><br>From: Andrei Dombay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wiki=
biophys@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">wikibiophys@gmail.com</a>&gt;<div clas=
s=3D"im">
<br>Subject: Re: [WPM] DYK for Nazi-Soviet military parade in Brzesc<br></d=
iv>To: &quot;Wikipedia statistics&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:folks@wikiped=
ometer.net" target=3D"_blank">folks@wikipedometer.net</a>&gt;<br>Date: Mond=
ay, September 7, 2009, 1:31 PM<div>
<div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br>
<div>Piotr,<br><br>Why do you think that Paul Siebert has a PhD degree and =
published anything in academic journals? Because he said so?<br><br><br><br=
>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:00 PM, piotr micula <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=
=3Dbasiaipiotr@yahoo.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">basiaipiotr@ya=
hoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<tbody>
<tr>
<td style=3D"font-family: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch:=
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<div>Has anybody nominated the article to DYK? </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Tymek
<div><br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 9/7/09, <a href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.c=
om/mc/compose?to=3DPetersJV@aol.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">Pet=
ersJV@aol.com</a> <i>&lt;<a href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compo=
se?to=3DPetersJV@aol.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">PetersJV@aol.c=
om</a>&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br>
</div></div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left:=
 5px; margin-left: 5px;">
<div><br>From: <a href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DPe=
tersJV@aol.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">PetersJV@aol.com</a> &lt=
;<a href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DPetersJV@aol.com=
" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">PetersJV@aol.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [WPM] DYK for Nazi-Soviet military parade in Brzesc<br>To: <a =
href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dfolks@wikipedometer.=
net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">folks@wikipedometer.net</a><br></di=
v>Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 10:34 AM
<div>
<div></div>
<div><br><br>
<div><font color=3D"#000000" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">
<div>
<div>In a message dated 9/7/2009 2:32:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <a hre=
f=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dbasiaipiotr@yahoo.com" =
rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">basiaipiotr@yahoo.com</a> writes:</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 5px; margin=
-left: 5px;"><font style=3D"background-color: transparent;" color=3D"#00000=
0" size=3D"3" face=3D"Arial">
<div>Peters, I know about it all. I talk about such idiots as user Paul Sie=
bert, who has a Doctor of Philosophy degree, and who has published peer-rev=
iewed articles in <b>academic journals</b> in case somebody wanted to know.=
 Look here, this is what he answered to me:</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div><a title=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Paul=
_Siebert&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D296381035" href=3D"http://en.wikipedia=
.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Paul_Siebert&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=
=3D296381035" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/=
index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Paul_Siebert&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D296381=
035</a>=A0</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Looks like you one can have all the=A0formal education degrees, and st=
ill be a bird brain.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Tymek<br><br></div></font></blockquote></div>
<div></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>As we can see...</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>&quot;ii) there were neither cooperation nor even coordination between=
 Germany and the USSR during the most crucial period of the invasion; &quot=
;</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Of course, categorically incorrect, given the radio transmissions et a=
l. =A0(I&#39;ll need to go back to the article and that passage....)</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>The issue is academics who approach history with=A0their personal POV.=
 I do that too, but the difference is I am willing to admit I don&#39;t kno=
w everything and to change my POV based on facts. Siebert represents a whol=
e class of academics--whether intentional or unwitting Soviet apologists--w=
ho go &quot;LA LA LA LA LA&quot; very loudly when hearing anything contradi=
cting them--or to become antagonistic=A0in the defense of their position.</=
div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Mark Tauger (professor at University of West Virginia) comes to mind r=
egarding the Holodomor. You should read some of his rants where he goes off=
 on people who disagree with him.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>West Virginia, the state where they shave tops off of mountains and bu=
ild airports so that if you miss the runway you die... sorry, couldn&#39;t =
resist... terrain map of Yeager Airport, Charleston, West Virginia...</div>

<div><a href=3D"http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&amp;source=3Ds_q&amp;hl=
=3Den&amp;geocode=3D&amp;q=3Dyeager+airport,+charleston,+west+virginia&amp;=
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<div>=A0</div>
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