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On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 21:54, Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>wrote:

> This is a highly non-trivial mathematical problem. Don't be misled by the
>> simplicity if its statement. The problem contains as subproblem several very
>> deep questions. People have attempted to solve it for more than 2
>> generations. Minds that solved other hard problems were unsuccessful in
>> tackling it. On the positive side, it was unofficially ranked fifth-sixth in
>> difficulty among the 7 Clay Institute problems, and the seventh (Poincare
>> conjecture) was proven in 2004 (after about 100 wrong "proofs" given during
>> 102 years).
>
>
You missed the joke.

Kalev Jaik is an old man who lives on Jaama street in Tartu with his mother.
 Ever since he left school after grade 7, he has been wanting to be a
capitalist and a philosopher.  His diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia has
never bothered him, and by now, he's published four books: two on economics
(his "economic theory" is centered on ways to avoid "dark forces from behind
the curtain" taking his savings via inflation, uncontrolled prices, stock
risks and other economic phenomena), one about his life's story, and his
last book is about the perpetuum mobiles he invented.  Since no publishing
company would take his manuscripts, he had to self-publish all four.  For a
while, he has been trying to get his perpetuum mobile plans published in
various popular science magazines.  None has ever taken them, which he
blames on conspiracy of ignorant physicists who blindly follow such random
silly ideas as Boltzmann's law.  Similarly, Jaik has been asking for a
chance to held lectures on perpetuum mobiles from several universities, and
none has given Jaik the chance.  Recently, he has become a minor Internet
sensation.

There are two *long* threads at <
http://www.skeptik.ee/index.php/2008/11/10/kalev-jaik-revolutsioon-majandusteaduses/>
and <http://www.lhv.ee/forums/index.cfm?id=241253>.  Surprisingly, both
google-translate relatively well.  Feel free to take a look at either to get
a taste.

Jaik is a reasonably intelligent man -- probably about average in this
regard --, but he has suffered from weird delusions for many decades, and he
lacks understanding of most kinds of moderately advanced concepts related to
his fields of interest.  Since he understand neither simple linear equations
nor balance sheets as used in accounting, his attempts to discuss
thermodynamics or investment banking frequently resort to (mis)application
of intuition, and especially in light of his heightened sense of self-worth,
it can be rather grotesque.  In the LHV webforum's thread (LHV is a stock
trading company), several people have been attempting to nudge him towards
better understanding of physics of gases, which has led him to rework his
latest perpetuum mobile several times -- but naturally, he still suffers
from the fatal flaw that he thinks his perpetuum mobile would work.

For several decades now, delusions are relatively well treatable by
application of antipsychotics.  (I know personally at least two people who
function relatively well when they're on antidelusion medication but go
rather weird when they're off it.)  However, Jaik refuses to believe he's
delusional, has explained that he has an irrational fear of psychiatrists
after his involuntary hospitalisation in Soviet days (before the discovery
of atypical antipsychotics, by the way), and thus, will probably never seek
psychiatric help until the day he dies.  Since he's peaceful and mostly
harmless (he hasn't even attempted to build any of his dangerous machines),
nobody else can make the decision for him.

Coming back to the P v. NP problem, I don't think it would be easy to
attract Jaik to it.  Even definition of the problem requires too much
impassable mathematics.  But perhaps he might take up interest in inventing
a magic compression algorithm, another popular pastime among kooky Internet
inventors.  The fact that P v. NP might actually be solvable by a very
clever or very lucky researcher while magic compression is impossible
doesn't matter, as Jaik has demonstrated by his repeated attempts to violate
the second law of thermodynamics.

Do you have snow in NZ during winter? Or was it Tasmania? Sorry, I forgot
> which one it is. Anyway, my question is, is there snow in the Australian
> continent (except mountains)?
>

I think there are penguins in South Australia.  But not all penguins depend
on snow.

-- 
Andres Soolo

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 21:54, Dorin Cheptea <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dorin.cheptea@gmail.com">dorin.cheptea=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>This is a highly non-trivial mathematical problem. Don&#39;t be misled by =
the simplicity if its statement. The problem contains as subproblem several=
 very deep questions. People have attempted to solve it for more than 2 gen=
erations. Minds that solved other hard problems were unsuccessful in tackli=
ng it. On the positive side, it was unofficially ranked fifth-sixth in diff=
iculty among the 7 Clay Institute problems, and the seventh (Poincare conje=
cture) was proven in 2004 (after about 100 wrong &quot;proofs&quot; given d=
uring 102 years).</blockquote>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You missed the joke.</div><div=
><br></div><div>Kalev Jaik is an old man who lives on Jaama street in Tartu=
 with his mother. =C2=A0Ever since he left school after grade 7, he has bee=
n wanting to be a capitalist and a philosopher. =C2=A0His diagnosis of para=
noid schizophrenia has never bothered him, and by now, he&#39;s published f=
our books: two on economics (his &quot;economic theory&quot; is centered on=
 ways to avoid &quot;dark forces from behind the curtain&quot; taking his s=
avings via inflation, uncontrolled prices, stock risks and other economic p=
henomena), one about his life&#39;s story, and his last book is about the p=
erpetuum mobiles he invented. =C2=A0Since no publishing company would take =
his manuscripts, he had to self-publish all four. =C2=A0For a while, he has=
 been trying to get his perpetuum mobile plans published in various popular=
 science magazines. =C2=A0None has ever taken them, which he blames on cons=
piracy of ignorant physicists who blindly follow such random silly ideas as=
 Boltzmann&#39;s law. =C2=A0Similarly, Jaik has been asking for a chance to=
 held lectures on perpetuum mobiles from several universities, and none has=
 given Jaik the chance. =C2=A0Recently, he has become a minor Internet sens=
ation.</div>
<div><br></div><div>There are two *long* threads at &lt;<a href=3D"http://w=
ww.skeptik.ee/index.php/2008/11/10/kalev-jaik-revolutsioon-majandusteaduses=
/">http://www.skeptik.ee/index.php/2008/11/10/kalev-jaik-revolutsioon-majan=
dusteaduses/</a>&gt; and &lt;<a href=3D"http://www.lhv.ee/forums/index.cfm?=
id=3D241253">http://www.lhv.ee/forums/index.cfm?id=3D241253</a>&gt;. =C2=A0=
Surprisingly, both google-translate relatively well. =C2=A0Feel free to tak=
e a look at either to get a taste.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Jaik is a reasonably intelligent man -- probably about =
average in this regard --, but he has suffered from weird delusions for man=
y decades, and he lacks understanding of most kinds of moderately advanced =
concepts related to his fields of interest. =C2=A0Since he understand neith=
er simple linear equations nor balance sheets as used in accounting, his at=
tempts to discuss thermodynamics or investment banking frequently resort to=
 (mis)application of intuition, and especially in light of his heightened s=
ense of self-worth, it can be rather grotesque. =C2=A0In the LHV webforum&#=
39;s thread (LHV is a stock trading company), several people have been atte=
mpting to nudge him towards better understanding of physics of gases, which=
 has led him to rework his latest perpetuum mobile several times -- but nat=
urally, he still suffers from the fatal flaw that he thinks his perpetuum m=
obile would work.</div>
<div><br></div><div>For several decades now, delusions are relatively well =
treatable by application of antipsychotics. =C2=A0(I know personally at lea=
st two people who function relatively well when they&#39;re on antidelusion=
 medication but go rather weird when they&#39;re off it.) =C2=A0However, Ja=
ik refuses to believe he&#39;s delusional, has explained that he has an irr=
ational fear of psychiatrists after his involuntary hospitalisation in Sovi=
et days (before the discovery of atypical antipsychotics, by the way), and =
thus, will probably never seek psychiatric help until the day he dies. =C2=
=A0Since he&#39;s peaceful and mostly harmless (he hasn&#39;t even attempte=
d to build any of his dangerous machines), nobody else can make the decisio=
n for him.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Coming back to the P v. NP problem, I don&#39;t think i=
t would be easy to attract Jaik to it. =C2=A0Even definition of the problem=
 requires too much impassable mathematics. =C2=A0But perhaps he might take =
up interest in inventing a magic compression algorithm, another popular pas=
time among kooky Internet inventors. =C2=A0The fact that P v. NP might actu=
ally be solvable by a very clever or very lucky researcher while magic comp=
ression is impossible doesn&#39;t matter, as Jaik has demonstrated by his r=
epeated attempts to violate the second law of thermodynamics.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div>Do you have snow in NZ during winter? Or was it Tasmania? Sorry, I forg=
ot which one it is. Anyway, my question is, is there snow in the Australian=
 continent (except mountains)?</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think there are penguins in South =
Australia. =C2=A0But not all penguins depend on snow.</div><div><br></div><=
div>--=C2=A0<br></div></div>Andres Soolo<br>

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