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On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:19, Christian Suciu <christiansuciu@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Conceivably, though, couldn't one pose simply as a fellow-traveller, even
> without knowing Russian? Say, an American socialist living in Chicago, or a
> British Trotskyist from Manchester?


Many Russian nationalists -- and particularly the radical ones -- are
significantly xenophobic, particularly anti-Semitic.  If this happens in the
Cartel, which seems likely, you might be unable to gain the Cartel's trust
if it thought you were a Jewish Trotskyist.  (In a related example of
xenophobia, check out FeelSunny's latest rant.)  Incidentally, this may
hamper PasswordUsername's accession to the Cartel.

Perhaps somewhat strangely, Russian nationalists tend to accept people who
have been subjugated by Russia more readily.  Which means that claiming an
Ossetian uncle, perhaps telling even a heroic tale about him, would probably
earn you some bonus points.  In any case, a relative who died in the Great
Patriotic War is worth many bonus points.  It's both plausible and
unverifiable because many millions died in the war, and Soviet
record-keeping was rather poor.  Unlike Gulag deaths, WWII deaths are
automatically heroic, no matter the circumstances (and of course, the
circumstances improve at each retelling).  In Leningrad, some two or three
million people heroically starved to death during the Siege.

But with a shared embrace of great Russian nationalism and Putinism. And if
> messages were exchanged in Russian, they could be forwarded to Dorin or
> Andrei (or even Google) for translation.


Rather Andrei, if he's willing to participate.  Slang and cultural
references don't go through Google very well, and are harder to grasp by
anybody who learns Russian as a secondary or tertiary language.  Any male
who grew up in Russia would be expected to at least understand dialogues
such as found in [[Russian joke#Taboo vocabulary]], and preferrably also
create such sentences.  (Naturally, a descendant of expatriates could be
excused.  But Grigori of the ice cream stand would have cursed at least
*sometimes*.)

-- 
Andres Soolo

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:19, Christian Suciu <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:christiansuciu@yahoo.com">christians=
uciu@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td vali=
gn=3D"top" style=3D"font:inherit">Conceivably, though, couldn&#39;t one pos=
e simply as a fellow-traveller, even without knowing Russian? Say, an Ameri=
can socialist living in Chicago, or a British Trotskyist from Manchester?</=
td>
</tr></tbody></table></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Many Russian national=
ists -- and particularly the radical ones -- are significantly xenophobic, =
particularly anti-Semitic. =C2=A0If this happens in the Cartel, which seems=
 likely, you might be unable to gain the Cartel&#39;s trust if it thought y=
ou were a Jewish Trotskyist. =C2=A0(In a related example of xenophobia, che=
ck out FeelSunny&#39;s latest rant.) =C2=A0Incidentally, this may hamper Pa=
sswordUsername&#39;s accession to the Cartel.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Perhaps somewhat strangely, Russian nationalists tend t=
o accept people who have been subjugated by Russia more readily. =C2=A0Whic=
h means that claiming an Ossetian uncle, perhaps telling even a heroic tale=
 about him, would probably earn you some bonus points. =C2=A0In any case, a=
 relative who died in the Great Patriotic War is worth many bonus points. =
=C2=A0It&#39;s both plausible and unverifiable because many millions died i=
n the war, and Soviet record-keeping was rather poor. =C2=A0Unlike Gulag de=
aths, WWII deaths are automatically heroic, no matter the circumstances (an=
d of course, the circumstances improve at each retelling). =C2=A0In Leningr=
ad, some two or three million people heroically starved to death during the=
 Siege.</div>
<div><br></div><div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><table cellspacin=
g=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td valign=3D"top" style=
=3D"font:inherit">
But with a shared embrace of great Russian nationalism and Putinism. And if=
 messages were exchanged in Russian, they could be forwarded to Dorin or An=
drei (or even Google) for translation.</td></tr></tbody></table></blockquot=
e>
<div><br></div><div>Rather Andrei, if he&#39;s willing to participate. =C2=
=A0Slang and cultural references don&#39;t go through Google very well, and=
 are harder to grasp by anybody who learns Russian as a secondary or tertia=
ry language. =C2=A0Any male who grew up in Russia would be expected to at l=
east understand dialogues such as found in [[Russian joke#Taboo vocabulary]=
], and preferrably also create such sentences. =C2=A0(Naturally, a descenda=
nt of expatriates could be excused. =C2=A0But Grigori of the ice cream stan=
d would have cursed at least *sometimes*.)</div>
<div><br></div></div>-- <br>Andres Soolo<br>

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