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	Content preview: He seems to pop back in once in awhile for some minor
	stuff. He hasn't really been causing that much trouble since Boodles
	got
	banned - this time around he's just getting Krzyzowiec' sock banned
	with
	which I have no problem whatsoever. But your overall assessment of him
	is correct. I think the key with him is not to get into edit wars or
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He seems to pop back in once in awhile for some minor stuff. He hasn't
really been causing that much trouble since Boodles got banned - this
time around he's just getting Krzyzowiec' sock banned with which I
have no problem whatsoever. But your overall assessment of him is
correct. I think the key with him is not to get into edit wars or let
yourself be provoked - basically don't give him an excuse.

Radek


2009/6/21 piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>:
> Sadly, I have noticed that Mordoor is back. This guy's obsession is to fi=
nd
> Polish antisemitism everywhere, mostly in the areas it never existed. To =
me,
> he is a sick person, hating Poland and Poles, who never hesitates to blow
> any kind of a Polish - Jewish clash into a mass pogrom. A real anti-Polis=
h,
> left wing pain in the ass. This is what Mordoor is.
>
> Tymek
>
> --- On Sun, 6/21/09, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] Aron Bielski/Christian Bale
> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 12:52 PM
>
> I also think this is a pretty minor issue and pushing it too hard may
> well prove counter productive.=A0 I'm also inclined to think, based on
> IPN statements, that the Bielskis really didn't have anything to do
> with Naliboki and if you read Nechama Tec's book it's actually pretty
> favorable towards Poles (notes Tuvia's close friendship with the
> Polish AK commander in the region and the strains that relationship
> was put under due to the arrival of the Soviet partisans).
> One related issue here to think about for the future - Boodlesthecat's
> year block's going to expire in the fall and that guy's capable of
> really stirring things up and causing a lot of trouble that we just
> don't want to deal with due to lack of time and the undesirability of
> fighting on multiple fronts at once. Basically I think it's a good
> idea to minimize potential conflicts in the Polish-Jewish relations
> area now, and without agent provocateurs like Boodles around this
> isn't actually that hard and cooperation comes about naturally. It'd
> be nice if and when Boodles comes back, he finds himself without the
> support of other editors that he dragged along into all the battles
> before - I don't think this is realistic with respect to Moordoor but
> others, like Malik Shabazz, seem like reasonable fellows.
>
> Radek
>
>
> 2009/6/21 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>:
>> Digwuren wrote:
>>
>>> I have no idea about the articles in question. =A0Thus, by Wikipedia's
>>> standards, I'm evidently qualified to offer advice.
>>>
>>> Charges being dropped is sometimes an indication that they were brought
>>> by mistake in the first place. =A0Unless the charges themselves have
>>> become notable in their own right, it makes sense for an encyclop=E6dia=
 to
>>> skip them, or only mention them very briefly. =A0In Wikipedia's terms,
>>> undue weight to charges that have been dropped may constitute a BLP
>>> violation.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, if charges are notable or not is considerably vague a
>>> subject, depend to a lot of editorial discretion.
>>
>> The issues was settled out of court. This is all explained on talk, I
>> think it is a case of BLP censorship and the article got the bad luck of
>> being "adopted" by some BLP-censorship fans. I don't think it has much
>> to do with the ethnicity of the person. In any case, I consider this
>> issue relatively unimportant (who cares about Aron, really...), other
>> than a sad illustration of how BLP can in fact make some biographies
>> misleading.
>>
>> --
>> Piotr Konieczny
>>
>> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
>> theory."
>>
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