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On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 16:53, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com> wrote:

> I do not think you can change account, edit slightly different subjects a=
nd
> remain undetected.


I do not intend to do that.  I think I might be able to edit *completely*
different subjects for a few months.  And if it doesn't work at the first
try, I can take a new account and start from scratch, hopefully having
learnt from the previous experience.

Even if you will make technical and mostly noncontroversial edits (as Hanzo
> did), someone will identify you and report as a sock - just in case. That=
's
> why I returned to editing using my account.


This risk depends on my edits running into somebody who can recognise me.
 Which is an important reason to edit completely different articles.

There's another reason.  As you recall, I have lamented before that
Wikipedians view caring about what's in articles as a vice.  Accordingly, i=
n
order to seem virtuous at the RFA, I will have to seem impassionate, which
essentially means I will have to deal with a wide area of random,
unpatterned articles I don't care about.  It's going to be a boring task.

As for this remark:

This is an incentive for changing accounts almost as often as socks.  Since
>> Wikipedia values newbies more highly than people who have been "involved=
 in
>> wikidrama", frequent account changes are *favoured* by the existing
>> framework as a way to get rid of the sticky mud.
>>
>
it is not specific to this particular case.  It's a part of my ongoing
attempt to figure out what's wrong with Wikipedia so I can envision what an
ideal free encyclop=C3=A6dia would look like.  Piotrus might want to develo=
p some
of these points on his morsel page; I don't mind.  If not, that's all right=
,
too.

--=20
Andres Soolo

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 16:53, Andrei Dombay <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail.com">wikibiophys@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
I do not think you can change account, edit slightly different subjects and=
 remain undetected.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do not intend to do t=
hat. =C2=A0I think I might be able to edit *completely* different subjects =
for a few months. =C2=A0And if it doesn&#39;t work at the first try, I can =
take a new account and start from scratch, hopefully having learnt from the=
 previous experience.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Even if you will make techni=
cal and mostly noncontroversial edits (as Hanzo did), someone will identify=
 you and report as a sock - just in case. That&#39;s why I returned to edit=
ing using my account.</blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>This risk depends on my edits running into somebody who=
 can recognise me. =C2=A0Which is an important reason to edit completely di=
fferent articles.</div><div><br></div><div>There&#39;s another reason. =C2=
=A0As you recall, I have lamented before that Wikipedians view caring about=
 what&#39;s in articles as a vice. =C2=A0Accordingly, in order to seem virt=
uous at the RFA, I will have to seem impassionate, which essentially means =
I will have to deal with a wide area of random, unpatterned articles I don&=
#39;t care about. =C2=A0It&#39;s going to be a boring task.</div>
<div><br></div><div>As for this remark:</div><div><br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8=
ex;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>This is an incentive=
 for changing accounts almost as often as socks. =C2=A0Since Wikipedia valu=
es newbies more highly than people who have been &quot;involved in wikidram=
a&quot;, frequent account changes are <i>favoured</i>=C2=A0by the existing =
framework as a way to get rid of the=C2=A0sticky=C2=A0mud.</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>it is=
 not specific to this particular case. =C2=A0It&#39;s a part of my ongoing =
attempt to figure out what&#39;s wrong with Wikipedia so I can envision wha=
t an ideal free encyclop=C3=A6dia would look like. =C2=A0Piotrus might want=
 to develop some of these points on his morsel page; I don&#39;t mind. =C2=
=A0If not, that&#39;s all right, too.</div>
<div><br></div></div>-- <br>Andres Soolo<br>

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