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From: Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
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	Content preview:  Yes, based on knowledge available to him this was the
	best option. Based on knowledge from today, the best option to survive
	would be Finlandization in exchange for giving away most of Kresy to
	Soviets and getting in return Silesia and most East Prussia after war
	with Germany. Although I don't believe such option was politically
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Yes, based on knowledge available to him this was the best option.
Based on knowledge from today, the best option to survive would be
Finlandization in exchange for giving away most of Kresy to Soviets
and getting in return Silesia and most East Prussia after war with
Germany.  Although I don't believe such option was politically
possible.

But getting back to track I just read an interesting interview with
Siemaszko daughter-as expected she supports dividing Ukraine,
supporting pro-Putin East Ukraine, and calls on Polish state to oppose
Ukrainian national awarness.
Is there article on Ewa Siemaszko were those interesting views can be added=
 ?
http://www.naszdziennik.pl/index.php?typ=3Dmy&dat=3D20081122&id=3Dmy21.txt


2009/8/22 piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>
>
> What choice did we have back in 1939? Do you think Jozef Beck did the rig=
ht thing allying Poland with Britain and France?
>
> Tymek
>
> --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] Siemaszo/Kresowiacy/Putin/Russian manipulation
> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:37 AM
>
> The German nationalist identity is based on the idea of Drang nach Osten =
and inferiority of Slavs and Balts. Do not delude yourself-any alliance wit=
h German nationalists means walking willingly into gas furnace or into catt=
le wagons.
>
> 2009/8/22 piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Digwuren, and this is what I mean. Poland should have ceded Gdansk to Ge=
rmany, as this city was no more needed by the Poles. We had Gdynia. Of cour=
se the war would have began sooner or later, but some things would have bee=
n different. Surely, these are speculations. But the fact is that Gdansk wa=
s of no use to Poland in 1939.
>>
>> Now more and more Polish historians are speculating "what if .... Poland=
 had allied with Hitler back then". Until March 1939, both countries actual=
ly were quite close, with frequent visits of top German diplomats in Warsaw=
. Then the British began muddying the waters with guarantees they never wan=
ted to keep, and Warsaw changed the course. Again, these are speculations, =
Hitler never kept his promises, but so did Britain and France, not to menti=
on Stalin of course.
>>
>> After all, Poland, Estonia and Latvia lost too much in the war, even tho=
ugh Poland was nominally on the victorious side.
>>
>> Tymek
>>
>> --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [WPM] Siemaszo/Kresowiacy/Putin/Russian manipulation
>> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
>> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 2:22 AM
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 04:34, piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> wrot=
e:
>>>
>>> It is blind stubborness of Polish elite in the 1930s that was one of th=
e reasons of WW2, and we have to admit it. After construction of Gdynia, Po=
land did not need Gdansk any more. It was all about "honor" as Jozef Beck s=
aid. We should have allowed Gdansk to become part of Germany, as the city's=
 population wished, and then wait how the events would turn out.
>>
>> It would not have satisfied Hitler nor discouraged Stalin. =A0Very unlik=
ely to have averted WWII; at most, it could have affected some details.
>> --
>> Andres Soolo
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