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Yeah you're probably right - he keeps quoting the German version of his
works. It might be worth looking around for English or Polish versions of
the books. I'll probably order
http://www.amazon.com/Historiographical-Approaches-Medieval-Colonization-Ce=
ntral/dp/0880335092/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dbooks&qid=3D1247248394&sr=3D=
8-1
which is the only one available through amazon. But it might take awhile.

Radek


2009/7/10 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>

> " if anti-Piskorski sources could be found to back up the
> > town's website "
>
> I think the case here could be with Skapperod manipulating Piskorski
> or selectively quoting him. I read fragments of Piskorski's
> Kolonizacja wiejska Pomorza Zachodniego-about german colonisation of
> West Pomerania( a topic dear to Skapperod's heart) and he went at
> great lenght to show that first ethnically motivated expulsions in
> Pomerania happened around 12th century against Slavic population by
> German colonists.
> That certainly doesn't fit the picture of Piskorski one gets reading
> Skapperod's edits based on his alledged writings.
>
> W dniu 10 lipca 2009 19:27 u=BFytkownik radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
> napisa=B3:
> > Skapperod opened up the topic yet again:
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Town.=
27s_website_contradicts_scholary_sources
> >
> > and I think on this one this time we might need some help and input. It
> > would also be good if anti-Piskorski sources could be found to back up
> the
> > town's website (I might actually be in Kolobrzeg soon and might make a
> trip
> > to find out the sources behind the website - but that's in a few weeks)
> >
> > Radek
> >
> >
> > 2009/7/10 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Skapperod deleted information about Slavic history of Ko=B3obrzeg comi=
ng
> >> rom the city authorities. He manipulated his explanation by stating
> >> "per RSN". However the link shows only one responce and seems to be
> >> attempt by Skapperod to bypass prior discussions in which Skapperod's
> >> attempts to cenzor Polish city authorities in history sections of
> >> Polish cities have been rejected.
> >> The blanking in question
> >>
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DKo%C5%82obrzeg&diff=3Dprev&ol=
did=3D301331769
> >>
> >>
> >> Previous debates in which Skapperod was rejected:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archi=
ve_24#Towns.27_websites_as_a_source_for_history
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources/archive_20#W=
ebsites_of_towns
> >>
> >> And here:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archi=
ve_24#Towns.27_websites_acceptable_as_a_temporary_source_for_history
> >>
> >>
> >> Note that it has been determined that those sources are always
> >> reliable source in terms of showing what city authorities declare, and
> >> city authorities are of course notable sources of information about
> >> the city. No matter how Skapperod tries to delete them(as they show
> >> non-German history) he can always be countered using above argument.
> >>
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Yeah you&#39;re probably right - he keeps quoting the German version of his=
 works. It might be worth looking around for English or Polish versions of =
the books. I&#39;ll probably order <a href=3D"http://www.amazon.com/Histori=
ographical-Approaches-Medieval-Colonization-Central/dp/0880335092/ref=3Dsr_=
1_1?ie=3DUTF8&amp;s=3Dbooks&amp;qid=3D1247248394&amp;sr=3D8-1">http://www.a=
mazon.com/Historiographical-Approaches-Medieval-Colonization-Central/dp/088=
0335092/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&amp;s=3Dbooks&amp;qid=3D1247248394&amp;sr=3D=
8-1</a><br>
which is the only one available through amazon. But it might take awhile.<b=
r><br>Radek<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/7/10 Molobo Molobo <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.com=
</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"im"=
>&quot; if anti-Piskorski sources could be found to back up the<br>
&gt; town&#39;s website &quot;<br>
<br>
</div>I think the case here could be with Skapperod manipulating Piskorski<=
br>
or selectively quoting him. I read fragments of Piskorski&#39;s<br>
Kolonizacja wiejska Pomorza Zachodniego-about german colonisation of<br>
West Pomerania( a topic dear to Skapperod&#39;s heart) and he went at<br>
great lenght to show that first ethnically motivated expulsions in<br>
Pomerania happened around 12th century against Slavic population by<br>
German colonists.<br>
That certainly doesn&#39;t fit the picture of Piskorski one gets reading<br=
>
Skapperod&#39;s edits based on his alledged writings.<br>
<br>
W dniu 10 lipca 2009 19:27 u=BFytkownik radek szulga &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
rsszulga@gmail.com">rsszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt; napisa=B3:<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">&gt; Skapperod opened up the topic yet ag=
ain:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Not=
iceboard#Town.27s_website_contradicts_scholary_sources" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Town.27s=
_website_contradicts_scholary_sources</a><br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; and I think on this one this time we might need some help and input. I=
t<br>
&gt; would also be good if anti-Piskorski sources could be found to back up=
 the<br>
&gt; town&#39;s website (I might actually be in Kolobrzeg soon and might ma=
ke a trip<br>
&gt; to find out the sources behind the website - but that&#39;s in a few w=
eeks)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Radek<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2009/7/10 Molobo Molobo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molob=
us@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Skapperod deleted information about Slavic history of Ko=B3obrzeg =
coming<br>
&gt;&gt; rom the city authorities. He manipulated his explanation by statin=
g<br>
&gt;&gt; &quot;per RSN&quot;. However the link shows only one responce and =
seems to be<br>
&gt;&gt; attempt by Skapperod to bypass prior discussions in which Skappero=
d&#39;s<br>
&gt;&gt; attempts to cenzor Polish city authorities in history sections of<=
br>
&gt;&gt; Polish cities have been rejected.<br>
&gt;&gt; The blanking in question<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DKo%C5%82obr=
zeg&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D301331769" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wiki=
pedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DKo%C5%82obrzeg&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D30=
1331769</a><br>

&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Previous debates in which Skapperod was rejected:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources=
/Noticeboard/Archive_24#Towns.27_websites_as_a_source_for_history" target=
=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeb=
oard/Archive_24#Towns.27_websites_as_a_source_for_history</a><br>

&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_so=
urces/archive_20#Websites_of_towns" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.o=
rg/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources/archive_20#Websites_of_towns</a><br=
>

&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; And here:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources=
/Noticeboard/Archive_24#Towns.27_websites_acceptable_as_a_temporary_source_=
for_history" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Relia=
ble_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_24#Towns.27_websites_acceptable_as_a_tempor=
ary_source_for_history</a><br>

&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Note that it has been determined that those sources are always<br>
&gt;&gt; reliable source in terms of showing what city authorities declare,=
 and<br>
&gt;&gt; city authorities are of course notable sources of information abou=
t<br>
&gt;&gt; the city. No matter how Skapperod tries to delete them(as they sho=
w<br>
&gt;&gt; non-German history) he can always be countered using above argumen=
t.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt;&gt; Wikipedia statistics discussion list<br>
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