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>
>>
> It is not quite as simple.  The Three Powers still held a lot of sway in
> West Germany's affairs -- remember, the Allied Occupation Force only had the
> American, English and French zones incorporated into West Germany in spring
> of 1949 -- and they held enough leverage to remove anybody who would have
> overtly restarted advocating "restoration of the glory of the Third Reich".
>  So, even if he had wanted to overtly restore Nazi Germany, he would not
> have succeeded.  Besides, as a political prisoner under Nazi rule, why would
> he?
>
> While Adenauer was a rather complex politician, a common thread in his
> policy was separating Germany's dark history from the (then current)
> present.  It is true that he stepped into questionable waters more than
> once, but Nazi he was not.  (As the Cold War flamed, Soviet propaganda
> attempted to paint him as one, nevertheless.)
>

I agree with both of the above points made by Andres.

> I always wondered what would came of this "wunder" if Germany had to pay
war
> reperations to Poland (estimated at around 600 billion dollars).

Czechoslavakia, Hungary and Poland, if I remember correctly, made proposals
in 1990-91 for the USSR to pay reparations for damage produced by the Soviet
troops during their stay. That came in response to Soviet claims that Soviet
troops leave infrastructure in these countries. But it was obvious to
everyone that the thing that these nations wanted was Soviets out, not
money.

I am sure that if there would be a way to choose between returning to the
pre-1939 situation or receiving 600 billion dollars, the moral choice (at
least) would be obvious to everybody. No money can buy off innocent blood.
Only honest remorse can. That's why we need time to pass so people can
mature.

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sponse to Soviet claims that Soviet troops leave infrastructure in these co=
untries. But it was obvious to everyone that the thing that these nations w=
anted was Soviets out, not money.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I am sure that if there would be a way to choose betwee=
n returning to the pre-1939 situation or receiving 600 billion dollars, the=
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