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Richard, you have to stop seeing this in your perspective only, I'm Polish
and I can see lots of Bandurist edits as valuable and actually correct, if
only to be phrased in a different wording.

2009/8/24 Richard Tylman <poeticbent@hotmail.com>

>  Tymek, I appreciate your desire to promote the spirit of camaraderie and
> understanding among the multinational members of our club, just like I
> treasure your opinion in this matter, but I also believe that we, as a
> group, have enough brain power available to us, to influence certain
> developments in Eastern European corner of English Wikipedia to our mutual
> advantage.
>
> My question is, would anybody here be willing to persuade Bandurist as
> a friend-in-need, to ease up on the history of Polish presence in Volhynia,
> and stop with his aggravations? If you think that Bandurist has a potential
> for becoming a valuable editor, and you have his trust please explain to him
> that his wave of anti-Polish provocations must stop or he will be in
> trouble.
>
> Richard (Poeticbent) Tylman
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:39:14 -0700
> From: basiaipiotr@yahoo.com
> To: folks@wikipedometer.net
> Subject: Re: [WPM] P.S. on Bandurist
>
>   Generally, I am not in favor of arbitrations, banning of users, and all
> that crap. The only exceptions were Boodlesthecat and Mordoor, two
> Jewish-Communist assholes, whom all Polish editors remember too well. Well,
> Polish Jewry is another story, unrelated to the one here.
>
> Anyway, the thing is that the Ukrainians, the Russians, the Germans, the
> Lithuanians, the Poles, and all other nationalities have their own
> histories, and none is better than any other. I may disagree with some
> Germans, Russians or some Ukrainians, and I totally disagree with Molobo,
> who happens to be Polish. Still, the last thing on my mind is to try to get
> anyone banned.
>
> The Germans were the murderers, as well as the Ukrainians, and the
> Russians, and the Poles, and they all were victims as well. We cannot and
> should not expect history of Eastern Europe to be written from Polish POV
> only. Poeticbent, please change your stance.
>
> Tymek
>
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 8/23/09, Jack <jacurek@yahoo.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Jack <jacurek@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] P.S. on Bandurist
> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 4:29 PM
>
>   Agree with Piotrus on this one, we should absolutely settle our
> differences here and act united. P.S.
> I'm getting better, less pain but still typing with one finger.
> Jacek
>
> --- On *Sun, 8/23/09, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] P.S. on Bandurist
> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 11:47 AM
>
> Andrei Dombay wrote:
> > To Richard Tylman,
> >
> > Although Bandurist has strong Ukrainian nationalistic views, I would
> > advise against opening an RfC case about him, if that is what you mean.
> > He was good in keeping certain Soviet trolls at bay, and this seems to
> > be an unnecessary confrontation.
>
> I'd prefer to avoid showing off Polish-Ukrainian conflict in public, to
> avoid weakening us against other editors.
>
> What I'd suggest is that the evidence against Bandurist is presented
> here, and discussed, and that our Ukrainian members try to rein him in.
>
> --
> Piotr Konieczny
>
> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
> theory."
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Richard, you have to stop seeing this in your perspective only, I&#39;m Pol=
ish and I can see lots of Bandurist edits as valuable and actually correct,=
 if only to be phrased in a different wording.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">
2009/8/24 Richard Tylman <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:poeticbent=
@hotmail.com">poeticbent@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0=
pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">




<div>
Tymek, I appreciate your desire to promote the spirit of camaraderie and un=
derstanding among the multinational members of our club, just like I treasu=
re your opinion in this matter, but I also believe that we, as a group, hav=
e enough brain power available to us, to influence certain developments in =
Eastern European corner of English Wikipedia to our mutual advantage. <br>

=A0<br>
My question is, would anybody here be willing to persuade Bandurist as a=A0=
friend-in-need, to ease up on the history of Polish presence in Volhynia, a=
nd stop with his aggravations? If you think that Bandurist has a potential =
for becoming a valuable editor, and you have his trust please explain to hi=
m that his wave of anti-Polish provocations must stop or=A0he will be in tr=
ouble. <br>

=A0<br>
Richard (Poeticbent) Tylman<br>=A0<br>
<hr>
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:39:14 -0700<div class=3D"im"><br>From: <a href=3D=
"mailto:basiaipiotr@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">basiaipiotr@yahoo.com</a><=
br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net" target=3D"_blank">folks@w=
ikipedometer.net</a><br>
</div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">Subject: Re: [WPM] P.S. on Banduris=
t<br><br>
<table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td valign=3D"top">
<div>Generally, I am not in favor of arbitrations, banning of users, and al=
l that crap. The only exceptions were Boodlesthecat and Mordoor, two Jewish=
-Communist assholes, whom all Polish editors remember too well. Well, Polis=
h Jewry is another story, unrelated to the one here.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Anyway, the thing is that the Ukrainians, the Russians, the Germans, t=
he Lithuanians, the Poles, and all other nationalities have their own histo=
ries, and none is better than any other. I may disagree with some Germans, =
Russians=A0or some Ukrainians, and I totally disagree with Molobo, who happ=
ens to be Polish. Still, the last thing on my mind is to try to get anyone =
banned. </div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>The Germans were the murderers, as well as the Ukrainians, and the Rus=
sians, and the Poles,=A0and they all were victims as well. We cannot and sh=
ould not expect history of Eastern Europe to be written from Polish POV onl=
y. Poeticbent, please change your stance.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Tymek</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 8/23/09, Jack <i>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jacurek@=
yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">jacurek@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br></=
div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left:=
 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><br>From: Jack &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jacurek@yahoo=
.com" target=3D"_blank">jacurek@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [WPM] P.S=
. on Bandurist<br>
To: &quot;Wikipedia statistics&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedome=
ter.net" target=3D"_blank">folks@wikipedometer.net</a>&gt;<br>Date: Sunday,=
 August 23, 2009, 4:29 PM<br><br>
<div>
<table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td valign=3D"top">Agree with Piotrus on this one, we should absolutely set=
tle our differences here and act united.=20
<div>P.S.</div>
<div>I&#39;m getting better, less pain but still typing with one finger.</d=
iv>
<div>Jacek =A0<span style=3D"line-height: 13px; font-family: Verdana,sans-s=
erif,monospace; white-space: pre; font-size: 11px;"> </span>=A0<br><br>--- =
On <b>Sun, 8/23/09, Piotr Konieczny <i>&lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;</i></b> wrote=
:<br>

<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left:=
 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><br>From: Piotr Konieczny &lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;<b=
r>Subject: Re: [WPM] P.S. on Bandurist<br>To: &quot;Wikipedia statistics&qu=
ot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net" target=3D"_blank">folks@=
wikipedometer.net</a>&gt;<br>
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 11:47 AM<br><br>
<div>Andrei Dombay wrote:<br>&gt; To Richard Tylman,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Altho=
ugh Bandurist has strong Ukrainian nationalistic views, I would <br>&gt; ad=
vise against opening an RfC case about him, if that is what you mean.=A0 <b=
r>
&gt; He was good in keeping certain Soviet trolls at bay, and this seems to=
 <br>&gt; be an unnecessary confrontation.<br><br>I&#39;d prefer to avoid s=
howing off Polish-Ukrainian conflict in public, to <br>avoid weakening us a=
gainst other editors.<br>
<br>What I&#39;d suggest is that the evidence against Bandurist is presente=
d <br>here, and discussed, and that our Ukrainian members try to rein him i=
n.<br><br>-- <br>Piotr Konieczny<br><br>&quot;The problem about Wikipedia i=
s, that it just works in reality, not in <br>
theory.&quot;<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Wik=
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