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The German nationalist identity is based on the idea of Drang nach Osten and
inferiority of Slavs and Balts. Do not delude yourself-any alliance with
German nationalists means walking willingly into gas furnace or into cattle
wagons.

2009/8/22 piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>

> Digwuren, and this is what I mean. Poland should have ceded Gdansk to
> Germany, as this city was no more needed by the Poles. We had Gdynia. Of
> course the war would have began sooner or later, but some things would have
> been different. Surely, these are speculations. But the fact is that Gdansk
> was of no use to Poland in 1939.
>
> Now more and more Polish historians are speculating "what if .... Poland
> had allied with Hitler back then". Until March 1939, both countries actually
> were quite close, with frequent visits of top German diplomats in Warsaw.
> Then the British began muddying the waters with guarantees they never wanted
> to keep, and Warsaw changed the course. Again, these are speculations,
> Hitler never kept his promises, but so did Britain and France, not to
> mention Stalin of course.
>
> After all, Poland, Estonia and Latvia lost too much in the war, even though
> Poland was nominally on the victorious side.
>
> Tymek
>
> --- On *Sat, 8/22/09, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] Siemaszo/Kresowiacy/Putin/Russian manipulation
> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 2:22 AM
>
>
>  On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 04:34, piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com<http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>>   It is blind stubborness of Polish elite in the 1930s that was one of
>> the reasons of WW2, and we have to admit it. After construction of Gdynia,
>> Poland did not need Gdansk any more. It was all about "honor" as Jozef Beck
>> said. We should have allowed Gdansk to become part of Germany, as the city's
>> population wished, and then wait how the events would turn out.
>>
>
> It would not have satisfied Hitler nor discouraged Stalin.  Very unlikely
> to have averted WWII; at most, it could have affected some details.
>
> --
> Andres Soolo
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The German nationalist identity is based on the idea of Drang nach Osten an=
d inferiority of Slavs and Balts. Do not delude yourself-any alliance with =
German nationalists means walking willingly into gas furnace or into cattle=
 wagons.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/8/22 piotr micula <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:basiaipiotr@yahoo.com">basiaipiotr@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</sp=
an><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rg=
b(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td styl=
e=3D"font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font=
-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjus=
t: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;" valign=3D"top">
<div>Digwuren, and this is what I mean. Poland should have ceded Gdansk to =
Germany, as this city was no more needed by the Poles. We had Gdynia. Of co=
urse the war would have began sooner or later, but some things would have b=
een different. Surely, these are speculations. But the fact is that Gdansk =
was of no use to Poland in 1939. </div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Now more and more Polish historians are speculating &quot;what if ....=
 Poland had allied with Hitler back then&quot;. Until March 1939, both coun=
tries actually were quite close, with frequent visits of top German diploma=
ts in Warsaw. Then the British began muddying the waters with guarantees th=
ey never wanted to keep, and Warsaw changed the course. Again, these are sp=
eculations, Hitler never kept his promises, but so did Britain and France, =
not to mention Stalin of course.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>After all, Poland, Estonia and Latvia lost too much in the war, even t=
hough Poland was nominally on the victorious side. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Tymek<br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 8/22/09, Digwuren <i>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:digwuren@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt;</i></b> w=
rote:<br></div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left:=
 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><br>From: Digwuren &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt;<div class=3D"im"><b=
r>Subject: Re: [WPM] Siemaszo/Kresowiacy/Putin/Russian manipulation<br>
To: &quot;Wikipedia statistics&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedome=
ter.net" target=3D"_blank">folks@wikipedometer.net</a>&gt;<br></div>Date: S=
aturday, August 22, 2009, 2:22 AM<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br>
<div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 04:34, piotr micula <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=
=3Dbasiaipiotr@yahoo.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">basiaipiotr@ya=
hoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td valign=3D"top">
<div>It is blind stubborness of Polish elite in the 1930s that was one of t=
he reasons of WW2, and we have to admit it. After construction of Gdynia, P=
oland did not need Gdansk any more. It was all about &quot;honor&quot; as J=
ozef Beck said. We should have allowed Gdansk to become part of Germany, as=
 the city&#39;s population wished, and then wait how the events would turn =
out.</div>
</td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>It would not have satisfied Hitler nor discouraged Stalin. =A0Very unl=
ikely to have averted WWII; at most, it could have affected some details.</=
div>
<div><br></div>
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