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And third one:

Wybrane problemy historii Polski i Niemiec XIX i XX wieku=E2=80=8E - page 2=
5

Karol Fiedor - 1996 -
*Na lata 1933-1935 przypad=C5=82a pierwsza fala usuwania na wielk=C4=85 ska=
l=C4=99
polskiego
nazewnictwa na =C5=9Al=C4=85sku Opolskim*


W dniu 27 sierpnia 2009 04:51 u=C5=BCytkownik Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.=
com>
napisa=C5=82:
>
> Further useful source:
> http://www.caw.wp.mil.pl/biuletyn/b3/b3_7.pdf
>
> 5. Zmiana nazw geograficznych o brzmieniu polskim na niemieckie. =E2=80=
=94
Usuwanie =C5=9Blad=C3=B3w polsko=C5=9Bci, b=C4=99d=C4=85ce jednym z przejaw=
=C3=B3w germanizacji wschodnich
prowincji =C3=B3wczesnych Niemiec, przybra=C5=82o szczeg=C3=B3lne nasilenie=
 po doj=C5=9Bciu
Hitlera do w=C5=82adzy11. Dok=C5=82adne dane, co do ilo=C5=9Bci poczynionyc=
h zmian w
poszczeg=C3=B3lnych rejonach i okresach czasu, podaj=C4=85 komunikaty nr 4,=
 7, 8, 9,
10, 12, 14, 18 i 19. Warto jedynie podkre=C5=9Bli=C4=87, =C5=BCe wymieniony=
 w nr 14 =E2=80=9ESpis
miejscowo=C5=9Bci przemianowanych w okr=C4=99gu rz=C4=85dowym Opole=E2=80=
=9D (rok wyd. 1937)
zawiera=C5=82 ok. 1.400 pozycji.
>
> The author mentions a book on the subject:
>
> 11 Szczeg=C3=B3=C5=82owe om=C3=B3wienie tego zagadnienia patrz: K. F i e =
d o r, Walka z
nazewnictwem polskim na =C5=9Al=C4=85sku w okresie hitlerowskim (1933=E2=80=
=941939). Documenta
Silesiae, zeszyt 4, Wroc=C5=82aw 1966.
>
> So we have another data-that by 1933-1937 in Opole district 1400 names
were Germanised.
>
> 2009/8/27 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
>>
>> Hi Piotrus-further information on Germanization in Third Reich territory=
:
>>
http://books.google.com/books?ei=3DL_KVSuShEqnEzgTLjpTPBw&hl=3Dpl&id=3Dkwsl=
eqxx_SMC&dq=3Dthe+language+of+third+reich&q=3DPomerania#v=3Dsnippet&q=3DPom=
erania&f=3Dfalse
>>
>> The language of the Third Reich: LTI, Lingua Tertii Imperii Victor
Klemperer, Martin Brady
>> page 75
>>
>>
>> According to article in Dresdener Zeitung of 15 November 1942(so the
changes are for 1942)
>>
>> 120 Slavonic place names were translated into German in Pomerania and
around 175 in Brandenburg(...) In Silesia the number of German variations
reached 2,700 and in Gumbinnen district(...) 1,146  out of total 1,851
districts were renamed
>>
>> The author notes that in Gumbinnen it mainly concerned Lithuanian names.
>>
>> 2009/8/25 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
>> >
>> > Molobo Molobo wrote:
>> > > Well he did provide at least the same source I did which mentions th=
e
>> > > number of some Germanised names in Silesia under Hitler.
>> > >
>> > > Do you want me to provide further sources on official Germanisation
of
>> > > Polish names ?
>> >
>> > I have rewritten the article using the refs you gave me before and som=
e
>> > of my own about the crash germanization during WWII. Feel free to
>> > rewrite more of it and post it here, I'll add it to the article. It ma=
y
>> > be easiest if you post only the paragraphs you rewrite here, not the
>> > entire article.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Piotr Konieczny
>> >
>> > "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
>> > theory."
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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And third one:<br><br>Wybrane problemy historii Polski i Niemiec XIX i XX w=
ieku=E2=80=8E - page 25<br><br>Karol Fiedor - 1996 - <br><i>Na lata 1933-19=
35 przypad=C5=82a pierwsza fala usuwania na wielk=C4=85 skal=C4=99 polskieg=
o<br>nazewnictwa na =C5=9Al=C4=85sku Opolskim</i><br>
<br><br>W dniu 27 sierpnia 2009 04:51 u=C5=BCytkownik Molobo Molobo &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.com</a>&gt; napisa=C5=82:<b=
r>&gt;<br>&gt; Further useful source:<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.caw.wp.=
mil.pl/biuletyn/b3/b3_7.pdf">http://www.caw.wp.mil.pl/biuletyn/b3/b3_7.pdf<=
/a><br>
&gt;<br>&gt; 5. Zmiana nazw geograficznych o brzmieniu polskim na niemiecki=
e. =E2=80=94 Usuwanie =C5=9Blad=C3=B3w polsko=C5=9Bci, b=C4=99d=C4=85ce jed=
nym z przejaw=C3=B3w germanizacji wschodnich prowincji =C3=B3wczesnych Niem=
iec, przybra=C5=82o szczeg=C3=B3lne nasilenie po doj=C5=9Bciu Hitlera do w=
=C5=82adzy11. Dok=C5=82adne dane, co do ilo=C5=9Bci poczynionych zmian w po=
szczeg=C3=B3lnych rejonach i okresach czasu, podaj=C4=85 komunikaty nr 4, 7=
, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 18 i 19. Warto jedynie podkre=C5=9Bli=C4=87, =C5=BCe wy=
mieniony w nr 14 =E2=80=9ESpis miejscowo=C5=9Bci przemianowanych w okr=C4=
=99gu rz=C4=85dowym Opole=E2=80=9D (rok wyd. 1937) zawiera=C5=82 ok. 1.400 =
pozycji.<br>
&gt;<br>&gt; The author mentions a book on the subject:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 11 =
Szczeg=C3=B3=C5=82owe om=C3=B3wienie tego zagadnienia patrz: K. F i e d o r=
, Walka z nazewnictwem polskim na =C5=9Al=C4=85sku w okresie hitlerowskim (=
1933=E2=80=941939). Documenta Silesiae, zeszyt 4, Wroc=C5=82aw 1966.<br>
&gt;<br>&gt; So we have another data-that by 1933-1937 in Opole district 14=
00 names were Germanised.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 2009/8/27 Molobo Molobo &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Hi Piotrus-further information on Germanization in Third Reich ter=
ritory:<br>&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://books.google.com/books?ei=3DL_KVSuShE=
qnEzgTLjpTPBw&amp;hl=3Dpl&amp;id=3Dkwsleqxx_SMC&amp;dq=3Dthe+language+of+th=
ird+reich&amp;q=3DPomerania#v=3Dsnippet&amp;q=3DPomerania&amp;f=3Dfalse">ht=
tp://books.google.com/books?ei=3DL_KVSuShEqnEzgTLjpTPBw&amp;hl=3Dpl&amp;id=
=3Dkwsleqxx_SMC&amp;dq=3Dthe+language+of+third+reich&amp;q=3DPomerania#v=3D=
snippet&amp;q=3DPomerania&amp;f=3Dfalse</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; The language of the Third Reich: LTI, Lingua Tertii Im=
perii Victor Klemperer, Martin Brady<br>&gt;&gt; page 75<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt=
;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; According to article in Dresdener Zeitung of 15 November =
1942(so the changes are for 1942)<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; 120 Slavonic place names were translated into German i=
n Pomerania and around 175 in Brandenburg(...) In Silesia the number of Ger=
man variations reached 2,700 and in Gumbinnen district(...) 1,146 =C2=A0out=
 of total 1,851 districts were renamed =C2=A0<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; The author notes that in Gumbinnen it mainly concerned=
 Lithuanian names.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; 2009/8/25 Piotr Konieczny &lt;pi=
okon@post.pl&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Molobo Molobo wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Well he did provide at least the same source I did which=
 mentions the<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; number of some Germanised names in Sile=
sia under Hitler.<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Do you want m=
e to provide further sources on official Germanisation of<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Polish names ?<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; I have =
rewritten the article using the refs you gave me before and some<br>&gt;&gt=
; &gt; of my own about the crash germanization during WWII. Feel free to<br=
>
&gt;&gt; &gt; rewrite more of it and post it here, I&#39;ll add it to the a=
rticle. It may<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; be easiest if you post only the paragraphs =
you rewrite here, not the<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; entire article.<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;=
<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; --<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Piotr Konieczny<br>&gt;&=
gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;The problem about Wikipedia is, that it jus=
t works in reality, not in<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; theory.&quot;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<=
br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt;&gt; &=
gt; Wikipedia statistics discussion list<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto=
:folks@wikipedometer.net">folks@wikipedometer.net</a><br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <a h=
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