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"It kind of resembled to me the old pro-SU propaganda I experienced in
primary school."

Do they force people at schools and Universities to study courses like
"History of CPSU" and "Scientific Communism"?


On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 04:34, Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *While I am haven't read much about "pro-EU propaganda",*
>>
>
> It's a complex concept.
>
> On one hand:
>
> When I studied International Relations, we had usually once per two month=
s
>> or so meetings with people representing EU and telling over and over and
>> over and over how great and beautifull it is to live in the beautifull a=
nd
>> great European family.
>>
>
>
> On one hand, EU goes through a lot of effort to promote itself.  It start=
s from posting signs "Road reconstruction partially funded by EU" onto reco=
nstructed roads, but the "European Information centres" and other entities =
also take care of regular news articles, seminaries and other public materi=
al that both describes what EU does and also tells people it's wonderful th=
at it does all that.
>
> On another hand, there are
> spontaneous conspiracy theories aloft speaking about "pro-Union brainwash=
ing" in schools' textbooks and the supposed EU media control.
>  Some of it is nonsense, but because of the previous topic and the
> complexity of EU relations, laypeople often have hard time telling the ch=
aff
> from the grains.
>
> On third hand, especially in the former Soviet sphere of interest, there
> are also astroturf conspiracy theories about how European Union is "just
> like the old Soviet Union" and is propagandising the people about EU bein=
g
> better than USSR even though -- so the conspiracy theories go -- it's
> untrue.  Most of this is blatant nonsense, but the two previous points ma=
ke
> it easier for laypeople to swallow -- especially people who are political=
ly
> unhappy.  In the current economic climate, a lot of people are.
>
> It kind of resembled to me the old pro-SU propaganda I experienced in
>> primary school.
>>
>
> And on the fourth hand, an important part of the point of EU is keeping
> Germans and French from going to war with each other.  Common market is o=
ne
> of the tools towards that end.  Telling people on both sides of the borde=
r
> that people on the other side of the border are decent people and it woul=
d
> be a shame to wage war on them is another of the tools EU employs.
>
> --
> Andres Soolo
>
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&quot;It kind of resembled to me the old pro-SU propaganda I experienced in=
 primary school.&quot;<br><br>Do they force people at schools and Universit=
ies to study courses like &quot;History of CPSU&quot; and &quot;Scientific =
Communism&quot;?<br>
=A0<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Digwu=
ren <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padd=
ing-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 04:34, =
Molobo Molobo <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">molobus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margi=
n: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

<div><i>While I am haven&#39;t read much about &quot;pro-EU propaganda&quot=
;,</i></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>It&#39;s a complex conce=
pt.</div><div><br></div><div>On one hand:</div><div class=3D"im"><div><br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb=
(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
When I studied International Relations, we had usually once per two months =
or so meetings with people representing EU and telling over and over and ov=
er and over how great and beautifull it is to live in the beautifull and gr=
eat European family.<br>

</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>On=A0one=A0hand,=A0EU=A0goes=A0throu=
gh=A0a=A0lot=A0of=A0effort=A0to=A0promote=A0itself.=A0=A0It=A0starts=A0from=
=A0posting=A0signs=A0&quot;Road=A0reconstruction=A0partially=A0funded=A0by=
=A0EU&quot;=A0onto=A0reconstructed=A0roads,=A0but=A0the=A0&quot;European=A0=
Information=A0centres&quot;=A0and=A0other=A0entities=A0also=A0take=A0care=
=A0of=A0regular=A0news=A0articles,=A0seminaries=A0and=A0other=A0public=A0ma=
terial=A0that=A0both=A0describes=A0what=A0EU=A0does=A0and=A0also=A0tells=A0=
people=A0it&#39;s=A0wonderful=A0that=A0it=A0does=A0all=A0that.</div>

<div><br></div><div>On=A0another=A0hand,=A0there=A0are spontaneous=A0conspi=
racy=A0theories=A0aloft=A0speaking=A0about=A0&quot;pro-Union=A0brainwashing=
&quot;=A0in=A0schools&#39;=A0textbooks=A0and=A0the=A0supposed=A0EU=A0media=
=A0control. =A0Some of it is nonsense, but because of the previous topic an=
d the complexity of EU relations, laypeople often have hard time telling th=
e chaff from the grains.</div>

<div><br></div><div>On third hand, especially in the former Soviet sphere o=
f interest, there are also astroturf conspiracy theories about how European=
 Union is &quot;just like the old Soviet Union&quot; and is propagandising =
the people about EU being better than USSR even though -- so the conspiracy=
 theories go -- it&#39;s untrue. =A0Most of this is blatant nonsense, but t=
he two previous points make it easier for laypeople to swallow -- especiall=
y people who are politically unhappy. =A0In the current economic climate, a=
 lot of people are.</div>
<div class=3D"im">
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px =
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">It=
 kind of resembled to me the old pro-SU propaganda I experienced in primary=
 school.<br>
</blockquote><div>
<br></div></div><div>And on the fourth hand, an important part of the point=
 of EU is keeping Germans and French from going to war with each other. =A0=
Common market is one of the tools towards that end. =A0Telling people on bo=
th sides of the border that people on the other side of the border are dece=
nt people and it would be a shame to wage war on them is another of the too=
ls EU employs.</div>

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