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Of course, Stalin was deeply and personally  involved, beyond making the
general policy decisions such as the "dekulakizations" of 30s, the number of
people to be processed under the "first and the second categories", etc.  A
variety of sources tell that his favorite evening readings were lists of
people to be shot. He knew and remembered many thousands of them.
Sometimes, he removed people from the lists. For example, he spared the
entire brigade of  Lybyanka executioners (Blokhin and others) who shot
themselves many thousands of people. Stalin trusted such executioners more
than anyone else (because they were the closest thing to his "soulmates")
and made some of them his personal bodyguards.



On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 15:12, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> An editor, Kurzon, is trying to remove the section on Stalin's victims
>> from the Stalin article:
>>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_Stalin&diff=prev&oldid=307347186
>>
>> It might not be a good thing if we all show up on the article together,
>> but if he persists a revert here or there and a quick statement to the
>> effect that there is no consensus to remove by one or two people would be
>> helpful.
>
>
> Actually, this is a high-profile article which is probably watchlisted by
> most of us.  There is no problem plausibly claiming that this is how a lot
> of people caught the whitewashing at once.
>
> As for Kurzon's edit comment, I think it's an invitation to rephrase the
> paragraph as "Researchers have calculated the number of people victimised by
> Stalin during his whole career ...".
>
> --
> Andres Soolo
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Of course, Stalin was deeply and personally=A0 involved, beyond making the =
general policy decisions such as the &quot;dekulakizations&quot; of 30s, th=
e number of people to be processed under the &quot;first and the second cat=
egories&quot;, etc.=A0 A variety of sources tell that his favorite evening =
readings were lists of people to be shot. He knew and remembered many thous=
ands of them.=A0 Sometimes, he removed people from the lists. For example, =
he spared the entire brigade of=A0 Lybyanka executioners (Blokhin and other=
s) who shot themselves many thousands of people. Stalin trusted such execut=
ioners more than anyone else (because they were the closest thing to his &q=
uot;soulmates&quot;) and made some of them his personal bodyguards.<br>
<br>=A0 <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:38 AM=
, Digwuren <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digw=
uren@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8e=
x; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">On Tue, Aug 11=
, 2009 at 15:12, radek szulga <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszu=
lga@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rsszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204=
, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

An editor, Kurzon, is trying to remove the section on Stalin&#39;s victims =
from the Stalin article:<br><br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.=
php?title=3DJoseph_Stalin&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D307347186" target=3D"=
_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DJoseph_Stalin&amp;diff=
=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D307347186</a><br>


<br>It might not be a good thing if we all show up on the article together,=
 but if he persists a revert here or there and a quick statement to the eff=
ect that there is no consensus to remove by one or two people would be help=
ful.</blockquote>

<div><br></div></div></div><div>Actually, this is a high-profile article wh=
ich is probably watchlisted by most of us. =A0There is no problem plausibly=
 claiming that this is how a lot of people caught the whitewashing at once.=
</div>
<div>
<br></div><div>As for Kurzon&#39;s edit comment, I think it&#39;s an invita=
tion to rephrase the paragraph as &quot;Researchers have calculated the num=
ber of people victimised by Stalin during his whole career ...&quot;.</div>

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