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	doesn't have them down quite as polished as >> another editor we know.
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	state terrorism by Russia" article.) >> > > Russavia's apparent
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	mutually incompatible; for > example, ignoring won't work if somebody
	will do an AFD. Therefore, we > should discuss what to do privately
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	> certainly open for other suggestions. > [...] 
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	doesn't have them down quite as polished as >> another editor we know. I
	expect I'll continue to be busy on Putinism and a >> few other places
	for a while as best as I can. (I feel a revert coming on >> for his
	reinsertion of the Conspiracy theories tag for the "Allegations of >>
	state terrorism by Russia" article.) >> > > Russavia's apparent
	counterattack is [[ESStonia]]. What, if anything, > shall we do about
	it? > > A. One approach would be to frame it as an example of modern
	propaganda. > There is no shortage of sources for that. > > B. Another
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	might be useful. > > The trouble is, most of these approaches are
	mutually incompatible; for > example, ignoring won't work if somebody
	will do an AFD. Therefore, we > should discuss what to do privately
	*before* any actions, and then follow a > unified plan. > > I tend to
	favour ignoring for now, and going for option A if ignoring > should
	fail. It seems to me that the benefit/risk ratio of that strategy is >
	the best, as careless escalation by Russavia is likely to lead him, not
	> anybody else, into trouble. However, I'm far from certain of that, and
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On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 22:20, <PetersJV@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>  As most of you know, my spare time mostly goes to looking after my mom
>> at least until we can make better arrangements. That said, Russavia is
>> trying all the usual methods but doesn't have them down quite as polished as
>> another editor we know. I expect I'll continue to be busy on Putinism and a
>> few other places for a while as best as I can. (I feel a revert coming on
>> for his reinsertion of the Conspiracy theories tag for the "Allegations of
>> state terrorism by Russia" article.)
>>
>
> Russavia's apparent counterattack is [[ESStonia]].  What, if anything,
> shall we do about it?
>
> A. One approach would be to frame it as an example of modern propaganda.
>  There is no shortage of sources for that.
>
> B. Another would be to do an AFD based on non-notability.  It's a trickier
> proposition, with hard-to-analyse ramifications.
>
> There are surely other interesting approaches.
>
> C. Finally, we could ignore it, at least for a while.  Most likely, it will
> force him to escalate, which might be useful.
>
> The trouble is, most of these approaches are mutually incompatible; for
> example, ignoring won't work if somebody will do an AFD.  Therefore, we
> should discuss what to do privately *before* any actions, and then follow a
> unified plan.
>
> I tend to favour ignoring for now, and going for option A if ignoring
> should fail.  It seems to me that the benefit/risk ratio of that strategy is
> the best, as careless escalation by Russavia is likely to lead him, not
> anybody else, into trouble.  However, I'm far from certain of that, and
> certainly open for other suggestions.
>

Mukadderat has already created an AfD on eSStonia. I've got Mikkalai  (now
known as SemBubenny)  to unprotect [[Anti-Estonian sentiment]] and I used
Estophobia article from Digwuren's user space as content. In it I mention
eSStonia as an example of modern propaganda. I voted "delete" in the AfD, I
should reverse it?

Martin

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Digwure=
n <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"b=
order-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; paddin=
g-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"Ih2E3d">On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 22=
:20,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:PetersJV@aol.com" target=3D"_=
blank">PetersJV@aol.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt=
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<div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial;"><f=
ont color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">
<div>As most of you know, my spare time mostly goes to looking after my mom=
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least until we can make better arrangements. That said, Russavia is trying =
all=20
the usual methods but doesn&#39;t have them down quite as polished as anoth=
er editor=20
we know. I expect I&#39;ll continue to be busy on Putinism and a few other =
places=20
for a while as best as I can. (I feel a revert coming on for his reinsertio=
n of=20
the Conspiracy theories tag for the &quot;Allegations of state terrorism by=
 Russia&quot;=20
article.)</div></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Russavia=
&#39;s apparent counterattack is [[ESStonia]]. &nbsp;What, if anything, sha=
ll we do about it?</div><div><br></div><div>A. One approach would be to fra=
me it as an example of modern propaganda. &nbsp;There is no shortage of sou=
rces for that.</div>

<div><br></div><div>B. Another would be to do an AFD based on non-notabilit=
y. &nbsp;It&#39;s a trickier proposition, with hard-to-analyse ramification=
s.</div><div><br></div><div>There are surely other interesting approaches.<=
br>

</div><div><br></div><div>C. Finally, we could ignore it, at least for a wh=
ile. &nbsp;Most likely, it will force him to escalate, which might be usefu=
l.</div><div><br></div><div>The trouble is, most of these approaches are mu=
tually incompatible; for example, ignoring won&#39;t work if somebody will =
do an AFD. &nbsp;Therefore, we should discuss what to do privately *before*=
 any actions, and then follow a unified plan.</div>

<div><br></div><div>I tend to favour ignoring for now, and going for option=
 A if ignoring should fail. &nbsp;It seems to me that the benefit/risk rati=
o of that strategy is the best, as careless escalation by Russavia is likel=
y to lead him, not anybody else, into trouble. &nbsp;However, I&#39;m far f=
rom certain of that, and certainly open for other suggestions.</div>

<div></div></div></blockquote><div><br> Mukadderat has already created an A=
fD on eSStonia. I&#39;ve got Mikkalai&nbsp; (now known as SemBubenny)&nbsp;=
 to unprotect [[Anti-Estonian sentiment]] and I used Estophobia article fro=
m Digwuren&#39;s user space as content. In it I mention eSStonia as an exam=
ple of modern propaganda. I voted &quot;delete&quot; in the AfD, I should r=
everse it?<br>
<br>Martin<br></div></div><br>

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