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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NAME#Controversial_names states
that "allegation" should be avoided in a title unless the article
concerns charges in a legal case or accusations of illegality under
civil, criminal or international law which have not yet been proven in
a court of law. In the case of Offliner's example of [[Allegations of
of ethnic minorities in Estonia]], this would be a valid title since
such discrimination would involve the breach of various international
treaties and internal laws, whereas [[Allegations of Russian influence
operations in Estonia]] would not be valid since no laws have
necessarily been breached

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:51 AM, <PetersJV@aol.com> wrote:
> See diff here...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vecrumba&diff=next&oldid=296763195
> mainly this is to Biophys...
>
> Is it possible to separate out the various organizations which do exist from
> "allegations" of their activities (if not already)? I don't necessarily want
> to open to [[Allegations...]] that a particular organization even exists.
>
> So, for now "fairness" seems to indicate supporting [[Allegations of...]]
> since the articles relate to operations and are not directly about a
> department or organization (under which the operations would be described
> and/or alleged).
>
> This might be a place we need to be flexible, especially as we do want
> "allegations of" prefacing all the anti-Estonian content being created.
> (Amnesty International's report on Estonia is a bunch of junk, but they are
> perceived as reputable, for example. This allows us to keep them, van der
> Linden, et al. as allegations.)
>
> If we are agreed, this might be something we can point to in future
> proceedings as our side being reasonable. However, I want to check our
> consensus before I indicate a (very grudging of course) yes in "fair play."
> This will be touchy, however, as we don't want to venture into "Allegations
> of Soviet occupation of..."--the proper response there would be to add a
> section called "Allegations of non-occupation".
>
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