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Note that Offliner's lobbying really hard to get Russavia removed as well -
Thatcher told him no, since Russavia was banned under the case but said that
some other admin could remove it - so he's gone to Sandstein.
At this point I'm not sure if commenting on it (say, by pointing out
Thatcher's reasoning) would help or hurt.
*
*Radek

Might as well jump on the bandwagon and ask Thatcher to remove your

restrictions.
*
*Piotr
*
*Except that this would undermine my point that I left Wikipedia out of
frustration over disruptive arbitration before anybody restricted me.
*
*Dig


If Russavia's restrictions are lifted, then even from their POV Dig's surely
should be lifted, too. I personally wouldn't jump to make a common front
with the cartel even on technicalities. I'd rather let the "canvasing"
impression be related to Offliner and Russavia's names.


Sigh. It seems he is trying to prove a POINT along the lines "I am 100%
right, if you think I was wrong, I am taking all my toys home, including
all of those that everyone approved of and nobody criticized".
Childish... I wonder if she is a teen. But than, after dealing with
Elonka, I am no longer subscribing childish behavior to teens alone :(
*
*Piotr


Is Thatcher he or she? Now s/he has been personally hurt. One of us can jump
in to show compassion and soothe her. I don't expect the Cartel to do this.
I'd use the occasion to put a clear dint in the eyes of Thatcher between us
and the Cartel. We seek justice, yes, yes, but anything human is not strange
to us, too... :) Let the impression stay that in future conflict one can
reason with us, but not with the Cartel.

*Possibly, but this is not **necessary on Wikipedia.  There are other ways
> people can be dysfunctional.  In the stereotypical high school environment,
> people tend to kicked out when they get too old -- but on Wikipedia, this
> never happens, and teenage never ends. *
>
*
> *
> *In any case, Jehochman has pulled this before Thatcher.  Several times,
> actually.*
>

Look at Jehochman's face: that's a perpetual teen! :)

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<blockquote class=3D"webkit-indent-blockquote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px;=
 border: none; padding: 0px;"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"bor=
der-collapse: collapse; font-style: italic; ">Note that Offliner&#39;s lobb=
ying really hard to get Russavia removed as well - Thatcher told him no, si=
nce Russavia was banned under the case but said that some other admin could=
 remove it - so he&#39;s gone to Sandstein.</span><br>
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse; font-s=
tyle: italic; ">At this point I&#39;m not sure if commenting on it (say, by=
 pointing out Thatcher&#39;s reasoning) would help or hurt.</span><br><span=
 class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse;"><i><br>
</i></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: colla=
pse; font-style: italic; ">Radek<br><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=
=3D"border-collapse: separate; "><br>Might as well jump on the bandwagon an=
d ask Thatcher to remove your</span></span></blockquote>
<blockquote class=3D"webkit-indent-blockquote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px;=
 border: none; padding: 0px;"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"fon=
t-style: italic; ">restrictions.</span><br><i><br></i><span class=3D"Apple-=
style-span" style=3D"font-style: italic; ">Piotr</span><br>
<i><br></i><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-style: italic; ">=
Except that this would undermine my point that I left Wikipedia out of frus=
tration over disruptive arbitration before anybody restricted me.</span><br=
>
<i><br></i><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-style: italic; ">=
Dig</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span"=
 style=3D"font-style: italic; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"f=
ont-style: normal; ">If Russavia&#39;s restrictions are lifted, then=A0even=
 from their POV=A0Dig&#39;s surely should be lifted, too. I personally woul=
dn&#39;t jump to make a common front with the cartel even on technicalities=
. I&#39;d rather let the &quot;canvasing&quot; impression be related to Off=
liner and Russavia&#39;s names.=A0</span></span></div>
<div><blockquote class=3D"webkit-indent-blockquote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 =
40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=
=3D"font-style: italic; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-st=
yle: normal;"><br>
</span></span></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"webkit-indent-blockquote" s=
tyle=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><span class=3D"App=
le-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse; font-style: italic; ">Si=
gh. It seems he is trying to prove a POINT along the lines &quot;I am 100%<=
/span><br>
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse; font-s=
tyle: italic; ">right, if you think I was wrong, I am taking all my toys ho=
me, including</span><br><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-co=
llapse: collapse; font-style: italic; ">all of those that everyone approved=
 of and nobody criticized&quot;.</span><br>
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse; font-s=
tyle: italic; ">Childish... I wonder if she is a teen. But than, after deal=
ing with</span><br><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collaps=
e: collapse; font-style: italic; ">Elonka, I am no longer subscribing child=
ish behavior to teens alone :(</span><br>
<font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#500050" size=3D"1"><span class=
=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 9px;">=
<i><br></i></span></font><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-siz=
e: 9px; border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(80, 0, 80); font-style: itali=
c; ">Piotr</span></blockquote>
<div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse; "=
><div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#500050" size=3D"1"><s=
pan class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 9px;"><br></span></font>=
</div><div>
<font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#500050" size=3D"1"><span class=
=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small;">Is Thatcher he or she? No=
w s/he has been personally hurt. One of us can jump in to show compassion a=
nd soothe her. I don&#39;t expect the Cartel to do this. I&#39;d use the oc=
casion to put a clear dint in the eyes of Thatcher between us and the Carte=
l. We seek justice, yes, yes, but anything human is not strange to us, too.=
.. :) Let the impression stay that in future conflict one can reason with u=
s, but not with the Cartel.</span></font></div>
</div></span><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><i>Possibly,=A0but=A0this=A0is=A0not=A0</i=
><i>necessary=A0on=A0Wikipedia.=A0=A0There are other ways people can be dys=
functional. =A0In the stereotypical high school environment, people tend to=
 kicked out when they get too old -- but on Wikipedia, this never happens, =
and teenage never ends.=A0</i></div>
</div></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div><i><br></i></div><div><i>In any case, Jehochman has pulled this bef=
ore Thatcher. =A0Several times, actually.</i></div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Look at Jehochman&#39;s face: that&#=
39;s a perpetual teen! :)</div></div></div></div>

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