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A good idea would be to start/expand articles dealing with Soviet
occupation of Lithuania and Russian Empire's rule that would be hard
to negate for Lithuanians and opposed by the pro-Soviet team, which
would naturally put them at odds.  Right now they often ally together
seeing a common third-party focus of their edits.

2009/2/6, Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>:
> Piotrus,
>
> You have now all 4 arbitrators that commented so far, in your favour, so the
> issue should settle all right. There is only one thing they softly
> critisize: you should not have closed a 3RR report on an article you have
> 300+ edits. This is, for example, more than the number of edits on my top
> article, so perhaps you shouldn't have there, but instead you should have
> asked an admin among us to do it. Which brings me to the main question: what
> other admins besides you are here? We should do something about it.
>
> Also, try in your replies to mention negatively Deacon rather than the whole
> mixture of Deacon and Lithuanians. You should show at least formally
> eagerness to reach out to Lithuanians. I do not imagine you getting on
> friendly terms with Deacon, but in some future I think you should colaborate
> well with at least one-two Lithuanians. Look for example at *Novickas* 's
> reply: I read into it quite a degree of frustration to be associated to the
> Soviet team. Don't get me wrong: M.K. 's actions that I saw (as few as I had
> the pacience to read) were clearly in bad faith, and I can imagine other
> Lithuanians are provoked by M.K.'s involvement to defend a "Lithuanian side
> of the story". This is pure diplomacy. We all should try to single out M.K.
> and Deacon, and not mention Lithuanians in general even when they are
> factually wrong. So that other Lithuanians start feeling the pressure to
> reach out to us and to dissociate from M.K. (and Deacon). I am not saying to
> invite Lithuanians in the forseeable future, but simply to drive a wedge
> between the most radical and the abstract Lithuanian user. The abstract
> Lithuanian user should feel that the origin of the problems lies in their
> ranks (M.K. and association with team USSR). Associations built on ethnic
> groups are very strong. The success of Piotrus2 case was in part based on
> the fact that we stressed that there is a Soviet lobby (we never said
> Russian, moreover we had a couple Russians on our side). IMHO, the same
> strategy should work with Lithuanians. You cannot expect the average modern
> Russian be very anti-Soviet, but you can expects a sizable fraction (20%?)
> to be. I wouldn't worry about Germans and Jews: you will never have all or
> even most of them against you. (Plus you and we all have a lot friends among
> Germans and Jews.) The most serious danger, IMHO, lies strangely in the
> smallest group: Lithuanian. Even when you are 100% right and they are 100%
> wrong, do whatever possible not to say (even if non-explicitely) something
> against them as a group.
>
> Dorin
>

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