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Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 17:21:25 -0400
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From: Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>
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Crime culture... yes, from the top to the bottom. One of my colleague
parents were burned alive in Moscow, simply to replace the management and
get rid of a person who knew a lot (his farther held a high position in one
of Russian government departments). That was reported in newspapers as a
fire accident in a high-rise building.  Only people in their apartment died
because someone blocked the door prior to setting the fire.

Another story had happened in the small US town where I live. A young and
healthy women came here from Moscow, only to die in a few days in a hospital
from a poison that was apparently given to her just before her departure
from Russia (something similar to compounds used in the cancer chemotherapy
- based on symptoms). She was send back to Moscow in a coffin; no one  tried
to report this to police.  Her husband was a highly placed police official
in Russia,  someone like a Mafia boss I guess; he probably get rid of her
for whatever reason.

There are also huge mentality shifts. I was really surprised meeting here a
SKINHEAD POSTDOC from Russia (naturally, with a shaven head) who said he
would kill himself a person or two, but he needs some additional training to
do this well (he worked a lot to improve his physical conditions). He did
not hide his intention to learn a couple of useful bacteriology techniques
in the US to use them for the military might of his Fatherland. Otherwise,
he was a very nice and sincere person (strange, is not it?).  He returned
back to Russia after working here for a while. He slept on a bare mattress
and considered himself almost a traitor, as long as he was in the enemy
citadel... I did not see anything like that in the Soviet times.


On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 21:00, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It is difficult to correctly translate to English. The mentioned
>> ("zatochka v bok") is not really the "knife to the hart"; this is a very
>> thin and narrow instrument widely used by Russian criminals. It allows
>> either kill a person or to "teach a lesson" by damaging only certain
>> internal organs (I know a person who refused to retire from his position in
>> a seemingly normal Russian trade comapny and was "retired" precisely by this
>> method).
>
>
> A thin dagger, perhaps?  A long needle?
>
> I can imagine that in the crime culture, things like this could be
> manufactured from metal knitting sticks by sharpening them via standard
> means -- by rubbing them on a brick, for example --, and it would take a
> little anatomical skill to insert them into particular body parts of the
> victim.  I was unaware that internal organ damage of this sort is still a
> favoured method among Russian underground.
>
> --
> Andres Soolo
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Crime culture... yes, from the top to the bottom. One of my colleague paren=
ts were burned alive in Moscow, simply to replace the management and get ri=
d of a person who knew a lot (his farther held a high position in one of Ru=
ssian government departments). That was reported in newspapers as a fire ac=
cident in a high-rise building.=A0 Only people in their apartment died beca=
use someone blocked the door prior to setting the fire. <br>
<br>Another story had happened in the small US town where I live. A young a=
nd healthy women came here from Moscow, only to die in a few days in a hosp=
ital from a poison that was apparently given to her just before her departu=
re from Russia (something similar to compounds used in the cancer chemother=
apy - based on symptoms). She was send back to Moscow in a coffin; no one=
=A0 tried to report this to police.=A0 Her husband was a highly placed poli=
ce official in Russia,=A0 someone like a Mafia boss I guess; he probably ge=
t rid of her for whatever reason.<br>
<br>There are also huge mentality shifts. I was really surprised meeting he=
re a SKINHEAD POSTDOC  from Russia (naturally, with a shaven head) who said=
 he would kill himself a person or two, but he needs some additional traini=
ng to do this well (he worked a lot to improve his physical conditions). He=
 did not hide his intention to learn a couple of useful bacteriology techni=
ques in the US to use them for the military might of his Fatherland. Otherw=
ise, he was a very nice and sincere person (strange, is not it?).=A0 He ret=
urned back to Russia after working here for a while. He slept on a bare mat=
tress and considered himself almost a traitor, as long as he was in the ene=
my citadel... I did not see anything like that in the Soviet times. <br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Digwuren=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"bo=
rder-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding=
-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 21:00, =
Andrei Dombay <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">wikibiophys@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204=
); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

It is difficult to correctly translate to English. The mentioned (&quot;zat=
ochka v bok&quot;) is not really the &quot;knife to the hart&quot;; this is=
 a very thin and narrow instrument widely used by Russian criminals. It all=
ows either kill a person or to &quot;teach a lesson&quot; by damaging only =
certain internal organs (I know a person who refused to retire from his pos=
ition in a seemingly normal Russian trade comapny and was &quot;retired&quo=
t; precisely by this method).=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 </blockquote>

<div><br></div></div><div>A thin dagger, perhaps? =A0A long needle?</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>I can imagine that in the crime culture, things like this=
 could be manufactured from metal knitting sticks by sharpening them via st=
andard means -- by rubbing them on a brick, for example --, and it would ta=
ke a little anatomical skill to insert them into particular body parts of t=
he victim. =A0I was unaware that internal organ damage of this sort is stil=
l a favoured method among Russian underground.</div>

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