X-From_: folks-bounces@wikipedometer.net Fri Jul  3 16:03:28 2009
Return-Path: <folks-bounces@wikipedometer.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <c3b2b3db0907030653o5928e41aw439e18821d17a4e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <494251.20348.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<25890ca0907021219j18907539n807d56fbeddfdd9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A4D2426.4020701@post.pl>
	<25890ca0907021428s5997a90as447efda71372cc26@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A4D280F.7090905@post.pl>
	<25890ca0907021446x1c20adaag965ad81dc2a9b51a@mail.gmail.com>
	<c3b2b3db0907021634w6bc61f23k31b807685662b95f@mail.gmail.com>
	<c3b2b3db0907021754n3cd9a333h607ea5776c255c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<929ed1ec0907030405g42795161v42139e17b152138e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c3b2b3db0907030653o5928e41aw439e18821d17a4e9@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:03:11 -0400
Message-ID: <c3b2b3db0907030703x1d8c2757l2beba1bb3610c16c@mail.gmail.com>
From: Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>
To: Wikipedia statistics <folks@wikipedometer.net>
X-Spam_score: -0.3
X-Spam_score_int: -2
X-Spam_bar: /
X-Spam_report: Spam detection software,
	running on the system "pakkun.mirky.net", has
	identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message
	has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or
	label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
	the administrator of that system for details.
	Content preview: P.S. If you open 20 different accounts from the same
	computer and IP, all of them will be detected by checkuser when one of
	the accounts reported. That's what happened with LokiiT. On Fri, Jul 3, 
	2009 at 9:53 AM, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com> wrote: [...] 
	Content analysis details:   (-0.3 points, 5.0 required)
	pts rule name              description
	---- ----------------------
	--------------------------------------------------
	-2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1%
	[score: 0.0000]
	0.5 HTML_40_50             BODY: Message is 40% to 50% HTML
	0.0 HTML_MESSAGE           BODY: HTML included in message
	1.7 DNS_FROM_RFC_POST      RBL: Envelope sender in
	postmaster.rfc-ignorant.org
	0.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on 
	pakkun.mirky.net
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,
	DNS_FROM_RFC_POST,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no 
	version=3.1.7-deb
Subject: Re: [WPM] Hanzo (was Women and Wiklp)
X-BeenThere: folks@wikipedometer.net
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
Reply-To: Wikipedia statistics <folks@wikipedometer.net>
List-Id: Wikipedia statistics <folks.wikipedometer.net>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks>,
	<mailto:folks-request@wikipedometer.net?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Post: <mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net>
List-Help: <mailto:folks-request@wikipedometer.net?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks>,
	<mailto:folks-request@wikipedometer.net?subject=subscribe>
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1371082001244139752=="
Mime-version: 1.0
Sender: folks-bounces@wikipedometer.net
Errors-To: folks-bounces@wikipedometer.net
X-Spam_score: -0.3
X-Spam_score_int: -2
X-Spam_bar: /
X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "pakkun.mirky.net", has
	identified this incoming email as possible spam.  The original message
	has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label
	similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
	the administrator of that system for details.
	Content preview:  P.S. If you open 20 different accounts from the same
	computer and IP, all of them will be detected by checkuser when one of
	the accounts reported. That's what happened with LokiiT. On Fri, Jul 3,
	2009 at 9:53 AM, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com> wrote: [...] 
	Content analysis details:   (-0.3 points, 5.0 required)
	pts rule name              description
	---- ---------------------- --------------------------------------------------
	-2.6 BAYES_00               BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1%
	[score: 0.0000]
	0.5 HTML_40_50             BODY: Message is 40% to 50% HTML
	0.0 HTML_MESSAGE           BODY: HTML included in message
	1.7 DNS_FROM_RFC_POST      RBL: Envelope sender in
	postmaster.rfc-ignorant.org
	0.1 AWL                    AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list

--===============1371082001244139752==
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b8292e78716046dcd9d47

--0016363b8292e78716046dcd9d47
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

P.S. If you open 20 different accounts from the same computer and IP, all of
them will be detected by checkuser when one of the accounts reported. That's
what happened with LokiiT.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com> wrote:

> Andres,
>
> I do not think you can change account, edit slightly different subjects and
> remain undetected. Even if you will make technical and mostly
> noncontroversial edits (as Hanzo did), someone will identify you and report
> as a sock - just in case. That's why I returned to editing using my account.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 03:54, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I made a comment. Unfortunately, Russavia came too.
>>
>>
>> This is an incentive for changing accounts almost as often as socks.
>>  Since Wikipedia values newbies more highly than people who have been
>> "involved in wikidrama", frequent account changes are *favoured* by the
>> existing framework as a way to get rid of the sticky mud.
>>
>> Frequent account-changes tend to throw off track both slow-acting DDR such
>> as arbcom *and* stalkers.  The main risk is that some or all of the accounts
>> may be labelled as sock puppets of each other or somebody else, and
>> summarily blocked.
>>
>> --
>> Andres Soolo
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikipedia statistics discussion list
>> folks@wikipedometer.net
>> http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks
>>
>>
>

--0016363b8292e78716046dcd9d47
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

P.S. If you open 20 different accounts from the same computer and IP, all o=
f them will be detected by checkuser when one of the accounts reported. Tha=
t&#39;s what happened with LokiiT. <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fr=
i, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Andrei Dombay <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:wikibiophys@gmail.com">wikibiophys@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Andres,<br><br>I =
do not think you can change account, edit slightly different subjects and r=
emain undetected. Even if you will make technical and mostly noncontroversi=
al edits (as Hanzo did), someone will identify you and report as a sock - j=
ust in case. That&#39;s why I returned to editing using my account.<br>

<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">On Fri=
, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Digwuren <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
digwuren@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wro=
te:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px sol=
id rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>=
<div></div><div class=3D"h5">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 03:54, Andrei Dombay=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">wikibiophys@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0p=
t 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">


OK, I made a comment. Unfortunately, Russavia came too.</blockquote><div><b=
r></div></div><div>This is an incentive for changing accounts almost as oft=
en as socks. =A0Since Wikipedia values newbies more highly than people who =
have been &quot;involved in wikidrama&quot;, frequent account changes are <=
i>favoured</i>=A0by the existing framework as a way to get rid of the=A0sti=
cky=A0mud.</div>


<div><br></div><div>Frequent account-changes tend to throw off track both s=
low-acting DDR such as arbcom *and* stalkers. =A0The main risk is that some=
 or all of the accounts may be labelled as sock puppets of each other or so=
mebody else, and summarily blocked.</div>


<div><br></div></div><font color=3D"#888888">-- <br>Andres Soolo<br>
</font><br></div></div><div class=3D"im">__________________________________=
_____________<br>
Wikipedia statistics discussion list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net" target=3D"_blank">folks@wikipedo=
meter.net</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks" target=
=3D"_blank">http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks</a><br>
<br></div></blockquote></div><br>
</blockquote></div><br>

--0016363b8292e78716046dcd9d47--


--===============1371082001244139752==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

_______________________________________________
Wikipedia statistics discussion list
folks@wikipedometer.net
http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks

--===============1371082001244139752==--


