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ok, i agree.
A conformist among many others, therefore a saying by him should not bear
much weight.
My reaction was mainly to the adjective "professor".D

2009/7/1 Miacek and his crime-fighting dog <miacek08@googlemail.com>

> Some of his broadcasts are ok (isn't there some series ''Russia in the
> 20th century''?), note that Primakov-Luzhkov duo initially formed an
> opposing bloc to the Yedinstvo (i.e. Putin bloc), established by then
> masters of Kremlin, including Yeltin and the ''family''. Svanidze is
> thus just a conformist.
>
> Miacek.
>
> On 29/06/2009, Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Svanidze is no professor. He is a notorious journalist, with partially
> > shifting political tastes (against Promakov's party in late 1990s, now
> > pro-Putin's one) and great adaptability. He adapted himself so well in
> the
> > "new" Russia. If Putin would call Russia a Chinese gas station that can
> make
> > news one week, but when a journalist does that, that is part of the
> > profession [to make provocative statements do start discussion]. I am n=
ot
> > saying Russia did not miss on something important during economic
> trasition.
> > But I doubt it could have happened otherwise. Remember, the Soviet syst=
em
> > failed only when it had driven the economy and society to desperation. =
To
> > pretend rational reforms at that point is like asking a doctor who has =
to
> > operate a severed hand to care too much about esthetics.
> >
> >
> > 2009/6/29 Christian Suciu <christiansuciu@yahoo.com>
> >
> >>
> >>
> http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/06/18/samizdat_in_the_21_centu=
ry?page=3D0,0
> >> Quote:
> >>
> >> Looking around Russia now, Putin's new critics see only the ruins of
> >> unfulfilled promises and wasted wealth. Like Nemtsov and Milov, they r=
ue
> >> the
> >> missed opportunity for a modern and transparent state and for a
> >> diversified,
> >> entrepreneur-driven economy, the foundation for which could have been
> laid
> >> under the more favorable market conditions of the early 2000s. "In all
> the
> >> years of the fantastic, unearned money, which gushed from the oil pipe
> as
> >> if
> >> from a broken bathroom spigot, we did not move a finger to diversify o=
ur
> >> economy," Nikolai Svanidze, professor of the Moscow University for the
> >> Humanities and a member of the Public Chamber, the Kremlin's top
> advisory
> >> body, wrote in March in the key opposition Web journal, Ezhednevnyi
> >> zhurnal.
> >> Simply put, Svanidze added, Russia has not learned how to make anythin=
g
> >> that
> >> would enjoy demand in the global market: "As in the 10th century, we
> still
> >> cannot offer the world anything that is not gifted to us by Mother
> Nature:
> >> no electronics, no clothes, no food, or cars, or medications, not even
> >> children's toys." Instead of emerging as a world economic power,
> Svanidze
> >> concluded, Russia appears to be headed in the direction of becoming "a
> >> cheap Chinese gas station."
> >>
> >>
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<div>ok, i agree.</div><div>A conformist among many others, therefore a say=
ing by him should not bear much weight.</div>My reaction was mainly to the =
adjective &quot;professor&quot;.<div>D<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">20=
09/7/1 Miacek and his crime-fighting dog <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:miacek08@googlemail.com">miacek08@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Some of his broadcasts are ok (isn&#39;t th=
ere some series &#39;&#39;Russia in the<br>
20th century&#39;&#39;?), note that Primakov-Luzhkov duo initially formed a=
n<br>
opposing bloc to the Yedinstvo (i.e. Putin bloc), established by then<br>
masters of Kremlin, including Yeltin and the &#39;&#39;family&#39;&#39;. Sv=
anidze is<br>
thus just a conformist.<br>
<br>
Miacek.<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On 29/06/2009, Dorin Cheptea &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dorin.cheptea@gmail.com"=
>dorin.cheptea@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Svanidze is no professor. He is a notorious journalist, with partially=
<br>
&gt; shifting political tastes (against Promakov&#39;s party in late 1990s,=
 now<br>
&gt; pro-Putin&#39;s one) and great adaptability. He adapted himself so wel=
l in the<br>
&gt; &quot;new&quot; Russia. If Putin would call Russia a Chinese gas stati=
on that can make<br>
&gt; news one week, but when a journalist does that, that is part of the<br=
>
&gt; profession [to make provocative statements do start discussion]. I am =
not<br>
&gt; saying Russia did not miss on something important during economic tras=
ition.<br>
&gt; But I doubt it could have happened otherwise. Remember, the Soviet sys=
tem<br>
&gt; failed only when it had driven the economy and society to desperation.=
 To<br>
&gt; pretend rational reforms at that point is like asking a doctor who has=
 to<br>
&gt; operate a severed hand to care too much about esthetics.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2009/6/29 Christian Suciu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:christiansuciu@yahoo.c=
om">christiansuciu@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/06/18/samizd=
at_in_the_21_century?page=3D0,0" target=3D"_blank">http://www.foreignpolicy=
.com/articles/2009/06/18/samizdat_in_the_21_century?page=3D0,0</a><br>
&gt;&gt; Quote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Looking around Russia now, Putin&#39;s new critics see only the ru=
ins of<br>
&gt;&gt; unfulfilled promises and wasted wealth. Like Nemtsov and Milov, th=
ey rue<br>
&gt;&gt; the<br>
&gt;&gt; missed opportunity for a modern and transparent state and for a<br=
>
&gt;&gt; diversified,<br>
&gt;&gt; entrepreneur-driven economy, the foundation for which could have b=
een laid<br>
&gt;&gt; under the more favorable market conditions of the early 2000s. &qu=
ot;In all the<br>
&gt;&gt; years of the fantastic, unearned money, which gushed from the oil =
pipe as<br>
&gt;&gt; if<br>
&gt;&gt; from a broken bathroom spigot, we did not move a finger to diversi=
fy our<br>
&gt;&gt; economy,&quot; Nikolai Svanidze, professor of the Moscow Universit=
y for the<br>
&gt;&gt; Humanities and a member of the Public Chamber, the Kremlin&#39;s t=
op advisory<br>
&gt;&gt; body, wrote in March in the key opposition Web journal, Ezhednevny=
i<br>
&gt;&gt; zhurnal.<br>
&gt;&gt; Simply put, Svanidze added, Russia has not learned how to make any=
thing<br>
&gt;&gt; that<br>
&gt;&gt; would enjoy demand in the global market: &quot;As in the 10th cent=
ury, we still<br>
&gt;&gt; cannot offer the world anything that is not gifted to us by Mother=
 Nature:<br>
&gt;&gt; no electronics, no clothes, no food, or cars, or medications, not =
even<br>
&gt;&gt; children&#39;s toys.&quot; Instead of emerging as a world economic=
 power, Svanidze<br>
&gt;&gt; concluded, Russia appears to be headed in the direction of becomin=
g &quot;a<br>
&gt;&gt; cheap Chinese gas station.&quot;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt;&gt; Wikipedia statistics discussion list<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net">folks@wikipedometer.net=
</a><br>
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" target=3D"_blank">http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks=
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&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
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