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When I was in Belarus (Bobruysk), I was surprised to see that virtually nob=
ody there speaks Belarusian. When I asked=A0"pochemu=A0vy ne=A0govorite po-=
belarusky", they answered smiling "tolko babushky v derevnyach govoryt po b=
elarusky". This shocked me.
=A0
Tymek

--- On Mon, 8/3/09, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl> wrote:


From: Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
Subject: [WPM] On Belorusian POV/nationalism
To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 5:29 PM


We don't have many conflicts with Belorusians, and I hope it stays that=20
way. Still, when some issues cross into revisioning/controversial=20
history and threaten to compromise Wiki, this becomes a problem.

Take a look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:History_of_Belarus_by_period
I wonder if we can seriously talk of Belarusian history pre-19th century?

I also have problems with
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Belarusian_nobility
and adding Belorusian people category to various people alive before the=20
19th century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazimierz_Siemienowicz

It seems to me that some Belorusians tend to see anybody who ever lived=20
in modern territory of Belarus as Belorussian.

Czalex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Czalex) is=20
one of the few active Belorusian Wikipedians, and he seems reasonable=20
(although this may be due to the fact that he hasn't edited=20
controversial issues before), but I find this ongoing categorization of=20
articles with the above Belorusian categories disruptive.

What are your thoughts on the content issue, and on how best to deal=20
with it? I am half-tempted to nominate a bunch of those categories at AfD..=
.

--=20
Piotr Konieczny

"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in=20
theory."

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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>When I was in Belarus (Bobruysk), I was =
surprised to see that virtually nobody there speaks Belarusian. When I aske=
d&nbsp;"pochemu&nbsp;vy ne&nbsp;govorite po-belarusky", they answered smili=
ng "tolko babushky v derevnyach govoryt po belarusky". This shocked me.</DI=
V>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Tymek<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 8/3/09, Piotr Konieczny <I>&lt;piokon@post=
.pl&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Piotr Konieczny &lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;<BR>S=
ubject: [WPM] On Belorusian POV/nationalism<BR>To: "Wikipedia statistics" &=
lt;folks@wikipedometer.net&gt;<BR>Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 5:29 PM<BR>=
<BR>
<DIV class=3DplainMail>We don't have many conflicts with Belorusians, and I=
 hope it stays that <BR>way. Still, when some issues cross into revisioning=
/controversial <BR>history and threaten to compromise Wiki, this becomes a =
problem.<BR><BR>Take a look at:<BR><A href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/=
Category:History_of_Belarus_by_period" target=3D_blank>http://en.wikipedia.=
org/wiki/Category:History_of_Belarus_by_period</A><BR>I wonder if we can se=
riously talk of Belarusian history pre-19th century?<BR><BR>I also have pro=
blems with<BR><A href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Belarusian_n=
obility" target=3D_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Belarusian_n=
obility</A><BR>and adding Belorusian people category to various people aliv=
e before the <BR>19th century<BR><A href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka=
zimierz_Siemienowicz" target=3D_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazimier=
z_Siemienowicz</A><BR><BR>It seems to me that some Belorusians tend to see =
anybody
 who ever lived <BR>in modern territory of Belarus as Belorussian.<BR><BR>C=
zalex (<A href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Czalex=
" target=3D_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Czalex=
</A>) is <BR>one of the few active Belorusian Wikipedians, and he seems rea=
sonable <BR>(although this may be due to the fact that he hasn't edited <BR=
>controversial issues before), but I find this ongoing categorization of <B=
R>articles with the above Belorusian categories disruptive.<BR><BR>What are=
 your thoughts on the content issue, and on how best to deal <BR>with it? I=
 am half-tempted to nominate a bunch of those categories at AfD...<BR><BR>-=
- <BR>Piotr Konieczny<BR><BR>"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just =
works in reality, not in <BR>theory."<BR><BR>______________________________=
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