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Inosmi itself is not really a source, as it only provides translations, just
like Google but only better. When translation can be traced to an original
reliable source (and in most cases it can), this is fine. If it can not be
traced to original source or that source is unreliable, it can not be used.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 09:41, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> to think that "those foreigners, they all hate us" every now and then.  If
>> this were not done, people might get used to foreign press; some might
>> actually start reading it directly -- obviously, a doubleplusungood
>> proposition.  As it is, foreign press is usually only read directly by
>> independent intelligentsia -- which in this context covers the requirement
>> to be able to read the foreign language in question --, who has never been a
>> major player in
>>
>
> I was unclear here.
>
> "Directly" does not necessarily mean "pick up the paper and read it" here.
>  It means "without going through state-sanctioned selection and translation
> service".  Google Translate is one option to bypass InoSMI for a Russian who
> does not read French or English or German on his own.  Having a friend who
> *does* read the language translate it is another option, and has been around
> for quite a bit longer than Google Translate.  But if the "regular people"
> consider the thought of reading foreign press weird and unthinkable in
> itself -- which is achieved by the sock puppet circus --, very few people
> will want to bypass the gatekeeper even occasionally, let alone regularly.
>
> --
> Andres Soolo
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Inosmi itself is not really a source, as it only provides translations, jus=
t like Google but only better. When translation can be traced to an origina=
l reliable source (and in most cases it can), this is fine. If it can not b=
e traced to original source or that source is unreliable, it can not be use=
d. <br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Digwuren <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-le=
ft: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 09:41,=
 Digwuren <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin=
: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>to think that &quot;those foreigners, they =
all hate us&quot; every now and then. =A0If this were not done, people migh=
t get used to foreign press; some might actually start reading it directly =
-- obviously, a doubleplusungood proposition. =A0As it is, foreign press is=
 usually only read directly by independent intelligentsia -- which in this =
context covers the requirement to be able to read the foreign language in q=
uestion --, who has never been a major player in</div>

</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I was unclear here.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>&quot;Directly&quot; does not necessarily mean &quot;pick up=
 the paper and read it&quot; here. =A0It means &quot;without going through =
state-sanctioned selection and translation service&quot;. =A0Google Transla=
te is one option to bypass InoSMI for a Russian who does not read French or=
 English or German on his own. =A0Having a friend who *does* read the langu=
age translate it is another option, and has been around for quite a bit lon=
ger than Google Translate. =A0But if the &quot;regular people&quot; conside=
r the thought of reading foreign press weird and unthinkable in itself -- w=
hich is achieved by the sock puppet circus --, very few people will want to=
 bypass the gatekeeper even occasionally, let alone regularly.</div>

<div><br></div></div><font color=3D"#888888">-- <br>Andres Soolo<br>
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