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I agree that Andres has reasons. But do not edit simultaneously as Digwuren
and as the new account. If they feel that you have disappeared, they will
celebrate and be content. Which means they will pursue other goals with a
slightly smaller determination.
And it that is technically possible, have an new IP address.

Plus, don't edit exactly the same articles. Have some fun. Join
[[Wikipedia:WikiProject
NATO]] or smth else, and contribute to 1-2 articles there for starters.
Consider expanding articles about localities in Estonia. Abstain from
Estonia-Soviet articles for one month. Ask others to help with them in the
meantime.



2009/7/8 Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>

> Yes, sounds reasonable. If someone has a compelling reason to start anew,
> that is Digwuren.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Martin <martint20@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Regarding Andrei's concerns, I think Digwuren would have a number of
>> legitimate reasons for creating a new account according to
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Segregation_and_security
>> where it is permitted to create a alternative account to avoid real
>> world consequences, and we know that Petri Krohn threatened Digwuren
>> with such consequences.
>>
>> Another legitimate reason is given in
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Clean_start_under_a_new_name
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Andrei Dombay<wikibiophys@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > If someone from the Cartel identifies you, you will be accused of at
>> least
>> > avoiding scrutiny
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Avoiding_scrutiny
>> >
>> > But since you are currently under sanctions,  you will be accused of
>> > avoiding sanctions. You would object that you are not a subject of a BAN
>> >
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Clean_start_under_a_new_name
>> >
>> > but you know that WP is not a legal system.  On the other hand, you
>> probably
>> > has nothing to loose.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 03:42, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Except that this would undermine my point that I left Wikipedia out
>> of
>> >>> > frustration over disruptive arbitration before anybody restricted
>> me.
>> >>>
>> >>> Is this point doing you or us any good?
>> >>
>> >> The point that I'm not editing with this account will help me to avoid
>> >> checkuser with my next account.
>> >> --
>> >> Andres Soolo
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Martin
>>
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I agree that Andres has reasons. But do not edit simultaneously as Digwuren=
 and as the new account. If they feel that you have disappeared, they will =
celebrate and be content. Which means they will pursue other goals with a s=
lightly smaller determination.<div>
<br><div>And it that is technically possible, have an new IP address.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>Plus, don&#39;t edit exactly the same articles. Have so=
me fun. Join <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small;">[=
[<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: -webkit-sans-serif;=
 line-height: 31px; ">Wikipedia:WikiProject NATO]] or smth else, and contri=
bute to 1-2 articles there for starters. Consider expanding articles about =
localities in Estonia. Abstain from Estonia-Soviet articles for one month. =
Ask others to help with them in the meantime. =A0</span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small;"><br></spa=
n></div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/7/8 Andrei Dombay <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail.com">wikibiophys@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Yes, sounds reasonable. If someone has a co=
mpelling reason to start anew, that is Digwuren.<div><div></div><div class=
=3D"h5">
<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Mar=
tin <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martint20@gmail.com" target=3D"=
_blank">martint20@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 2=
04, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">Regarding Andrei&#39;s =
concerns, I think Digwuren would have a number of<br>
legitimate reasons for creating a new account according to<br>
<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Segregation=
_and_security" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Soc=
k_puppetry#Segregation_and_security</a><br>
where it is permitted to create a alternative account to avoid real<br>
world consequences, and we know that Petri Krohn threatened Digwuren<br>
with such consequences.<br>
<br>
Another legitimate reason is given in<br>
<div><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Clean_=
start_under_a_new_name" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki=
pedia:Sock_puppetry#Clean_start_under_a_new_name</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</div><div>On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Andrei Dombay&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:wikibiophys@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">wikibiophys@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>
</div><div><div></div><div>&gt; If someone from the Cartel identifies you, =
you will be accused of at least<br>
&gt; avoiding scrutiny<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Avoidi=
ng_scrutiny" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_=
puppetry#Avoiding_scrutiny</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; But since you are currently under sanctions,=A0 you will be accused of=
<br>
&gt; avoiding sanctions. You would object that you are not a subject of a B=
AN<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Clean_=
start_under_a_new_name" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki=
pedia:Sock_puppetry#Clean_start_under_a_new_name</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; but you know that WP is not a legal system.=A0 On the other hand, you =
probably<br>
&gt; has nothing to loose.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Digwuren &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwure=
n@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 03:42, Piotr Konieczny &lt;piokon@post.pl&g=
t; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Except that this would undermine my point that I left Wik=
ipedia out of<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; frustration over disruptive arbitration before anybody re=
stricted me.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Is this point doing you or us any good?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The point that I&#39;m not editing with this account will help me =
to avoid<br>
&gt;&gt; checkuser with my next account.<br>
&gt;&gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt; Andres Soolo<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt;&gt; Wikipedia statistics discussion list<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net" target=3D"_blank">folks=
@wikipedometer.net</a><br>
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</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; Wikipedia statistics discussion list<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net" target=3D"_blank">folks@wik=
ipedometer.net</a><br>
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rget=3D"_blank">http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks</a>=
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&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
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<font color=3D"#888888">Martin<br>
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