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I agree with Peters. But I am sure some would then be happy to criminalize
"denial of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and its consequences", and let me guess
whose presidents/prime-ministers would then have "trouble" visiting... I
think, we should try to use this kind of formulations in WP rathern than
"denial of Soviet occupations", because they have greater potential to
stick. The vagueness game can be played in both directions. Who knows what
"consequences" means.

Dorin

2009/3/14 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>

>  On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 01:24, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Russias Minister of Emergencies and one of the leaders of the government
>> party Sergey Shoygu has proposed criminalising "denial of Soviet victory in
>> WWII", and that the law should be enforced on "presidents of some countries"
>> when they visit Russia: <
>> http://www.rian.ru/politics/20090224/163016713.html>
>
>
> According to <http://www.postimees.ee/?id=94149>, what has been proposed
> is criminalising "desecration of Soviet victory in WWII", a considerably
> wider and more vague category.
>
> This article is about the seminary "Fear behind the wall", to be held by
> Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian embassy in Finland on March 23th, on the
> 60th anniversary of March deportations.  The United Russia is apparently
> unhappy with that seminary -- and most significantly, is trying to paint
> [[The Soviet Story]] as some sort of neo-Nazi movie.
>
> --
> Andres Soolo
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<div>I agree with Peters. But I=A0am sure some would then be happy to crimi=
nalize &quot;denial of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and its consequences&quot;, =
and let me guess whose presidents/prime-ministers would=A0then have &quot;t=
rouble&quot; visiting...=A0I think, we should try to use this kind of formu=
lations in WP rathern than &quot;denial of Soviet occupations&quot;, becaus=
e they have greater potential to stick. The vagueness game can be played in=
 both directions. Who knows what &quot;consequences&quot; means.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Dorin<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/3/14 Digwuren <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"im">On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 01:24, Digwuren <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">digwuren@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Russias Minister of Emergencies =
and one of the leaders of the government party Sergey Shoygu has proposed c=
riminalising &quot;denial of Soviet victory in WWII&quot;, and that the law=
 should be enforced on &quot;presidents of some countries&quot; when they v=
isit Russia: &lt;<a href=3D"http://www.rian.ru/politics/20090224/163016713.=
html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.rian.ru/politics/20090224/163016713.html=
</a>&gt;</blockquote>

<div><br></div></div>
<div>According to &lt;<a href=3D"http://www.postimees.ee/?id=3D94149" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://www.postimees.ee/?id=3D94149</a>&gt;, what has been pro=
posed is criminalising &quot;desecration of Soviet victory in WWII&quot;, a=
 considerably wider and more vague category.</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>This article is about the seminary &quot;Fear behind the wall&quot;, t=
o be held by Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian embassy in Finland on March 2=
3th, on the 60th anniversary of March deportations. =A0The United Russia is=
 apparently unhappy with that seminary -- and most significantly, is trying=
 to paint [[The Soviet Story]] as some sort of neo-Nazi movie.</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>--=A0<br></div></div>Andres Soolo<br><br>_____________________________=
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