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From: radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
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So... you're saying Wikipedia is like prison? Sooner or later you have
to join a gang or other gangs will get you.

This may support the argument that Sciurinea shopped around for an
admin - he went to Skapperod,  but Skapperod's not an admin, so he
went to Deacon cuz he's not German but in the end Deacon had too much
of a reputation. Still at that point Deacon got drawn into it, but his
connection to that group of editors is weaker than his association
with, say, MK and Lokyz.

Radek


2009/5/31 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>:
> Hypothesis (read: wild-assed guess): the=A0DefendEachOther=A0ethic is a m=
etric
> of how established a wikicabal is. =A0Established wikicabals can reliably=
 and
> consistently count on such mutual defence, and thus their members tend to
> defend themselves on a less frequent basis. =A0Newcomers, loners, and mem=
bers
> less socially cohesive wikicabals can not afford to rely on such defence =
and
> thus, fearing that supportive points are not made at all, are more inclin=
ed
> to push their own points.
> In this regard, the fact that Deacon himself had to resort to posting
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AN#Close_this_drama-mongering> is=
 an
> encouraging sign: he is not confident that anybody else would push it.
> =A0Since he's a major participant in the original drama, his call to clos=
ing
> *some* of the drama can be countered by some justified counterdrama of the
> "Please do not try to deflect the discussion from your misbehaviour" kind.
> =A0(There's probably no need for this, unless something unexpected happen=
s.
> =A0AFAIU, =A0the drama is currently in a stage where few outside people w=
ould
> dare to get involved.)
> On the other hand, if such defensive actions could be quantified, it might
> possibly be developed into a tool for mapping and analysing cabals.
> --
> Andres Soolo
>
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