X-From_: folks-bounces@wikipedometer.net Tue Aug 11 19:31:13 2009
Return-Path: <folks-bounces@wikipedometer.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <c3b2b3db0908111007j27fd6961i9becff8ef5aa237e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <25890ca0908110512k6a8fe864w6ef9b34f458bf3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<929ed1ec0908110838y5f95f89dg966d6bbe0a119681@mail.gmail.com>
	<c3b2b3db0908111007j27fd6961i9becff8ef5aa237e@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:31:04 +0200
Message-ID: <6c9a05ec0908111031m21fd2aacx6aa2f52cbed28a31@mail.gmail.com>
From: Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
To: Wikipedia statistics <folks@wikipedometer.net>
X-Spam_score: -0.6
X-Spam_score_int: -5
X-Spam_bar: /
X-Spam_report: Spam detection software,
	running on the system "pakkun.mirky.net", has
	identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message
	has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or
	label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
	the administrator of that system for details.
	Content preview: Yeah the Siebert guy now innocentely asks for "only
	the
	direct victims of Stalin" rather then "victims of regime". Of course
	that is a manipulation-he would like the number to be 3 or 4. A proper
	answer is that victims of the Stalin's regime are discussed always with
	is person and this is relevant. [...] 
	Content analysis details:   (-0.6 points, 5.0 required)
	pts rule name              description
	---- ----------------------
	--------------------------------------------------
	-2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1%
	[score: 0.0000]
	1.7 DNS_FROM_RFC_POST      RBL: Envelope sender in
	postmaster.rfc-ignorant.org
	0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on 
	pakkun.mirky.net
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,
	DNS_FROM_RFC_POST autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb
Subject: Re: [WPM] Stalin - might need help
X-BeenThere: folks@wikipedometer.net
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
Reply-To: Wikipedia statistics <folks@wikipedometer.net>
List-Id: Wikipedia statistics <folks.wikipedometer.net>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks>,
	<mailto:folks-request@wikipedometer.net?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Post: <mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net>
List-Help: <mailto:folks-request@wikipedometer.net?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks>,
	<mailto:folks-request@wikipedometer.net?subject=subscribe>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sender: folks-bounces@wikipedometer.net
Errors-To: folks-bounces@wikipedometer.net
X-Spam_score: -0.6
X-Spam_score_int: -5
X-Spam_bar: /
X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "pakkun.mirky.net", has
	identified this incoming email as possible spam.  The original message
	has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label
	similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
	the administrator of that system for details.
	Content preview:  Yeah the Siebert guy now innocentely asks for "only the
	direct victims of Stalin" rather then "victims of regime". Of course
	that is a manipulation-he would like the number to be 3 or 4. A proper
	answer is that victims of the Stalin's regime are discussed always with
	is person and this is relevant. [...] 
	Content analysis details:   (-0.6 points, 5.0 required)
	pts rule name              description
	---- ---------------------- --------------------------------------------------
	-2.6 BAYES_00               BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1%
	[score: 0.0000]
	1.7 DNS_FROM_RFC_POST      RBL: Envelope sender in
	postmaster.rfc-ignorant.org
	0.3 AWL                    AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list

Yeah the Siebert guy now innocentely asks for "only the direct victims
of Stalin" rather then "victims of regime".
Of course that is a manipulation-he would like the number to be 3 or 4.
A proper answer is that victims of the Stalin's regime are discussed
always with is person and this is relevant.

2009/8/11 Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>:
> Of course, Stalin was deeply and personally=A0 involved, beyond making the
> general policy decisions such as the "dekulakizations" of 30s, the number=
 of
> people to be processed under the "first and the second categories", etc.=
=A0 A
> variety of sources tell that his favorite evening readings were lists of
> people to be shot. He knew and remembered many thousands of them.
> Sometimes, he removed people from the lists. For example, he spared the
> entire brigade of=A0 Lybyanka executioners (Blokhin and others) who shot
> themselves many thousands of people. Stalin trusted such executioners more
> than anyone else (because they were the closest thing to his "soulmates")
> and made some of them his personal bodyguards.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 15:12, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> An editor, Kurzon, is trying to remove the section on Stalin's victims
>>> from the Stalin article:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DJoseph_Stalin&diff=3Dprev&o=
ldid=3D307347186
>>>
>>> It might not be a good thing if we all show up on the article together,
>>> but if he persists a revert here or there and a quick statement to the
>>> effect that there is no consensus to remove by one or two people would =
be
>>> helpful.
>>
>> Actually, this is a high-profile article which is probably watchlisted by
>> most of us. =A0There is no problem plausibly claiming that this is how a=
 lot
>> of people caught the whitewashing at once.
>> As for Kurzon's edit comment, I think it's an invitation to rephrase the
>> paragraph as "Researchers have calculated the number of people victimise=
d by
>> Stalin during his whole career ...".
>> --
>> Andres Soolo
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikipedia statistics discussion list
>> folks@wikipedometer.net
>> http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikipedia statistics discussion list
> folks@wikipedometer.net
> http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks
>
>

_______________________________________________
Wikipedia statistics discussion list
folks@wikipedometer.net
http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks

