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Further useful source:
http://www.caw.wp.mil.pl/biuletyn/b3/b3_7.pdf
*
5. Zmiana nazw geograficznych o brzmieniu polskim na niemieckie. -- Usuwani=
e
=B6lad=F3w polsko=B6ci, b=EAd=B1ce jednym z przejaw=F3w germanizacji wschod=
nich
prowincji =F3wczesnych Niemiec, przybra=B3o szczeg=F3lne nasilenie po doj=
=B6ciu
Hitlera do w=B3adzy11. Dok=B3adne dane, co do ilo=B6ci poczynionych zmian w
poszczeg=F3lnych rejonach i okresach czasu, podaj=B1 komunikaty nr 4, 7, 8,=
 9,
10, 12, 14, 18 i 19. Warto jedynie podkre=B6li=E6, =BFe wymieniony w nr 14 =
"Spis
miejscowo=B6ci przemianowanych w okr=EAgu rz=B1dowym Opole" (rok wyd. 1937)
zawiera=B3 ok. 1.400 pozycji.

*The author mentions a book on the subject:

11 Szczeg=F3=B3owe om=F3wienie tego zagadnienia patrz: K. F i e d o r, Walk=
a z
nazewnictwem polskim na =A6l=B1sku w okresie hitlerowskim (1933--1939). Doc=
umenta
Silesiae, zeszyt 4, Wroc=B3aw 1966.

So we have another data-that by 1933-1937 in Opole district 1400 names were
Germanised.

2009/8/27 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>

> Hi Piotrus-further information on Germanization in Third Reich territory:
>
> http://books.google.com/books?ei=3DL_KVSuShEqnEzgTLjpTPBw&hl=3Dpl&id=3Dkw=
sleqxx_SMC&dq=3Dthe+language+of+third+reich&q=3DPomerania#v=3Dsnippet&q=3DP=
omerania&f=3Dfalse
>
> The language of the Third Reich: LTI, Lingua Tertii Imperii Victor
> Klemperer, Martin Brady
> page 75
>
>
> According to article in Dresdener Zeitung of 15 November 1942(so the
> changes are for 1942)
> *
> 120 Slavonic place names were translated into German in Pomerania and
> around 175 in Brandenburg(...) In Silesia the number of German variations
> reached 2,700 and in Gumbinnen district(...) 1,146  out of total 1,851
> districts were renamed *
>
> The author notes that in Gumbinnen it mainly concerned Lithuanian names.
>
> 2009/8/25 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
> >
> > Molobo Molobo wrote:
> > > Well he did provide at least the same source I did which mentions the
> > > number of some Germanised names in Silesia under Hitler.
> > >
> > > Do you want me to provide further sources on official Germanisation o=
f
> > > Polish names ?
> >
> > I have rewritten the article using the refs you gave me before and some
> > of my own about the crash germanization during WWII. Feel free to
> > rewrite more of it and post it here, I'll add it to the article. It may
> > be easiest if you post only the paragraphs you rewrite here, not the
> > entire article.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Piotr Konieczny
> >
> > "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
> > theory."
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Further useful source:<br><a href=3D"http://www.caw.wp.mil.pl/biuletyn/b3/b=
3_7.pdf">http://www.caw.wp.mil.pl/biuletyn/b3/b3_7.pdf</a><br><i><br>5. Zmi=
ana nazw geograficznych o brzmieniu polskim na niemieckie. &mdash; Usuwanie=
 =B6lad=F3w polsko=B6ci, b=EAd=B1ce jednym z przejaw=F3w germanizacji wscho=
dnich prowincji =F3wczesnych Niemiec, przybra=B3o szczeg=F3lne nasilenie po=
 doj=B6ciu Hitlera do w=B3adzy11. Dok=B3adne dane, co do ilo=B6ci poczynion=
ych zmian w poszczeg=F3lnych rejonach i okresach czasu, podaj=B1 komunikaty=
 nr 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 18 i 19. Warto jedynie podkre=B6li=E6, =BFe wym=
ieniony w nr 14 &bdquo;Spis miejscowo=B6ci przemianowanych w okr=EAgu rz=B1=
dowym Opole&rdquo; (rok wyd. 1937) zawiera=B3 ok. 1.400 pozycji.<br>
<br></i>The author mentions a book on the subject:<br><br>11 Szczeg=F3=B3ow=
e om=F3wienie tego zagadnienia patrz: K. F i e d o r, Walka z nazewnictwem =
polskim na =A6l=B1sku w okresie hitlerowskim (1933&mdash;1939). Documenta S=
ilesiae, zeszyt 4, Wroc=B3aw 1966.<br>
<br>So we have another data-that by 1933-1937 in Opole district 1400 names =
were Germanised.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/8/27 Molobo Molobo =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Piotrus-furthe=
r information on Germanization in Third Reich territory:<br><a href=3D"http=
://books.google.com/books?ei=3DL_KVSuShEqnEzgTLjpTPBw&amp;hl=3Dpl&amp;id=3D=
kwsleqxx_SMC&amp;dq=3Dthe+language+of+third+reich&amp;q=3DPomerania#v=3Dsni=
ppet&amp;q=3DPomerania&amp;f=3Dfalse" target=3D"_blank">http://books.google=
.com/books?ei=3DL_KVSuShEqnEzgTLjpTPBw&amp;hl=3Dpl&amp;id=3Dkwsleqxx_SMC&am=
p;dq=3Dthe+language+of+third+reich&amp;q=3DPomerania#v=3Dsnippet&amp;q=3DPo=
merania&amp;f=3Dfalse</a><br>

<br>The language of the Third Reich: LTI, Lingua Tertii Imperii Victor Klem=
perer, Martin Brady<br>page 75<br><br><br>According to article in Dresdener=
 Zeitung of 15 November 1942(so the changes are for 1942)<br><i><br>120 Sla=
vonic place names were translated into German in Pomerania and around 175 i=
n Brandenburg(...) In Silesia the number of German variations reached 2,700=
 and in Gumbinnen district(...) 1,146 &nbsp;out of total 1,851 districts we=
re renamed </i>&nbsp;<br>

<br>The author notes that in Gumbinnen it mainly concerned Lithuanian names=
.<br><br>2009/8/25 Piotr Konieczny &lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; M=
olobo Molobo wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; Well he did provide at least the same sour=
ce I did which mentions the<br>

&gt; &gt; number of some Germanised names in Silesia under Hitler.<br>&gt; =
&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Do you want me to provide further sources on official Ger=
manisation of<br>&gt; &gt; Polish names ?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I have rewritten =
the article using the refs you gave me before and some<br>

&gt; of my own about the crash germanization during WWII. Feel free to<br>&=
gt; rewrite more of it and post it here, I&#39;ll add it to the article. It=
 may<br>&gt; be easiest if you post only the paragraphs you rewrite here, n=
ot the<br>

&gt; entire article.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; Piotr Konieczny<br>=
&gt;<br>&gt; &quot;The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in re=
ality, not in<br>&gt; theory.&quot;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; _______________________=
________________________<br>

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ikipedometer.net" target=3D"_blank">folks@wikipedometer.net</a><br>&gt; <a =
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