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Deacon though concealed his statements when he was still Calgacus-and he
made a lot of antipolish comments back in those days.
"Polish nationalist masturbation"
"The Poles are pretty tenacious"
and so on...
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ghirlandajo&diff=prev&oldid=65962840
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AW%C5%82adys%C5%82aw_II_Jagie%C5%82%C5%82o%2FArchive_5&diff=583916

And yes Wikipedia is a gang and a mob, most people after certain time on
Wiki realise that, of course in spirit of Great Computer we can't say that
in public space. But everybody knows about the level of ethnic based
conflicts, Russian disinformation, CAMERA and so on...

2009/5/31 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>

> So... you're saying Wikipedia is like prison? Sooner or later you have
> to join a gang or other gangs will get you.
>
> This may support the argument that Sciurinea shopped around for an
> admin - he went to Skapperod,  but Skapperod's not an admin, so he
> went to Deacon cuz he's not German but in the end Deacon had too much
> of a reputation. Still at that point Deacon got drawn into it, but his
> connection to that group of editors is weaker than his association
> with, say, MK and Lokyz.
>
> Radek
>
>
> 2009/5/31 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>:
> > Hypothesis (read: wild-assed guess): the DefendEachOther ethic is a
> metric
> > of how established a wikicabal is.  Established wikicabals can reliably
> and
> > consistently count on such mutual defence, and thus their members tend to
> > defend themselves on a less frequent basis.  Newcomers, loners, and
> members
> > less socially cohesive wikicabals can not afford to rely on such defence
> and
> > thus, fearing that supportive points are not made at all, are more
> inclined
> > to push their own points.
> > In this regard, the fact that Deacon himself had to resort to posting
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AN#Close_this_drama-mongering>
> is an
> > encouraging sign: he is not confident that anybody else would push it.
> >  Since he's a major participant in the original drama, his call to
> closing
> > *some* of the drama can be countered by some justified counterdrama of
> the
> > "Please do not try to deflect the discussion from your misbehaviour"
> kind.
> >  (There's probably no need for this, unless something unexpected happens.
> >  AFAIU,  the drama is currently in a stage where few outside people would
> > dare to get involved.)
> > On the other hand, if such defensive actions could be quantified, it
> might
> > possibly be developed into a tool for mapping and analysing cabals.
> > --
> > Andres Soolo
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikipedia statistics discussion list
> > folks@wikipedometer.net
> > http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks
> >
> >
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Deacon though concealed his statements when he was still Calgacus-and he ma=
de a lot of antipolish comments back in those days.<br>&quot;Polish nationa=
list masturbation&quot;<br>&quot;The Poles are pretty tenacious&quot;<br>
and so on...<br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser=
_talk:Ghirlandajo&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D65962840">http://en.wikipedia=
.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Ghirlandajo&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D=
65962840</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk%3AW%C5%82adys%C=
5%82aw_II_Jagie%C5%82%C5%82o%2FArchive_5&amp;diff=3D583916">http://en.wikip=
edia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk%3AW%C5%82adys%C5%82aw_II_Jagie%C5%82%C5%8=
2o%2FArchive_5&amp;diff=3D583916</a><br>
<br>And yes Wikipedia is a gang and a mob, most people after certain time o=
n Wiki realise that, of course in spirit of Great Computer we can&#39;t say=
 that in public space. But everybody knows about the level of ethnic based =
conflicts, Russian disinformation, CAMERA and so on...<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/5/31 radek szulga <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com">rsszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204,=
 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
So... you&#39;re saying Wikipedia is like prison? Sooner or later you have<=
br>
to join a gang or other gangs will get you.<br>
<br>
This may support the argument that Sciurinea shopped around for an<br>
admin - he went to Skapperod, =A0but Skapperod&#39;s not an admin, so he<br=
>
went to Deacon cuz he&#39;s not German but in the end Deacon had too much<b=
r>
of a reputation. Still at that point Deacon got drawn into it, but his<br>
connection to that group of editors is weaker than his association<br>
with, say, MK and Lokyz.<br>
<br>
Radek<br>
<br>
<br>
2009/5/31 Digwuren &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">&gt; Hypothesis (read: wild-assed guess):=
 the=A0DefendEachOther=A0ethic is a metric<br>
&gt; of how established a wikicabal is. =A0Established wikicabals can relia=
bly and<br>
&gt; consistently count on such mutual defence, and thus their members tend=
 to<br>
&gt; defend themselves on a less frequent basis. =A0Newcomers, loners, and =
members<br>
&gt; less socially cohesive wikicabals can not afford to rely on such defen=
ce and<br>
&gt; thus, fearing that supportive points are not made at all, are more inc=
lined<br>
&gt; to push their own points.<br>
&gt; In this regard, the fact that Deacon himself had to resort to posting<=
br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AN#Close_this_dr=
ama-mongering" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AN#=
Close_this_drama-mongering</a>&gt; is an<br>
&gt; encouraging sign: he is not confident that anybody else would push it.=
<br>
&gt; =A0Since he&#39;s a major participant in the original drama, his call =
to closing<br>
&gt; *some* of the drama can be countered by some justified counterdrama of=
 the<br>
&gt; &quot;Please do not try to deflect the discussion from your misbehavio=
ur&quot; kind.<br>
&gt; =A0(There&#39;s probably no need for this, unless something unexpected=
 happens.<br>
&gt; =A0AFAIU, =A0the drama is currently in a stage where few outside peopl=
e would<br>
&gt; dare to get involved.)<br>
&gt; On the other hand, if such defensive actions could be quantified, it m=
ight<br>
&gt; possibly be developed into a tool for mapping and analysing cabals.<br=
>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Andres Soolo<br>
&gt;<br>
</div></div>&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; Wikipedia statistics discussion list<br>
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rget=3D"_blank">http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks</a>=
<br>
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