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	Content preview:  I dunno, to me he just comes off as a certain type of
	grad student - and I've seen a number of them in my days, across
	disciplines - whose ego/intelligence ratio is quite stellar. And that
	type really excels at taking umbrage and nursing grudges, while at the
	same time outperforming most of his peers in looking down on everyone
	else with condescension. So I think he had a disagreement with Piotrus
	back in the day, was appalled that someone (from Eastern Europe!) had
	the audacity to contradict him, lost, and then went a little nutzoid
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I dunno, to me he just comes off as a certain type of grad student -
and I've seen a number of them in my days, across disciplines - whose
ego/intelligence ratio is quite stellar. And that type really excels
at taking umbrage and nursing grudges, while at the same time
outperforming most of his peers in looking down on everyone else with
condescension. So I think he had a disagreement with Piotrus back in
the day, was appalled that someone (from Eastern Europe!) had the
audacity to contradict him, lost, and then went a little nutzoid
nursing that grudge.

Or it could be the whole Celtics vs. Rangers thing where he identifies
the Poles with Catholicism.

Either way, dude's got some problems.

Radek


2009/6/8 piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>:
> Yeah Molobo, I have the same impression. Anyway, I would not be surprised
> that Deacon has some Polish blood in his veins, and he does not even know
> about it. A number of Scottish women were voluntarily impregnated by Poli=
sh
> soldiers stationed in Scotland in 1940 - 1944. I know it from stories of
> some of these soldiers, now in their 80s (just a little off-topic remark).
> Tymek
>
> --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] Deacon abuse of Jacurek (was Taking on Deacon)
> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 5:23 PM
>
> As far as I know and what I have assembled Deacon is a Scottish student. I
> would guess his antipolish-sentiment and pro-russian believes are based on
> partially pro-socialistic views(that are hostile to Poland due to Polish
> role in fighting communism) combined with personal experience with Polish
> people.
>
> 2009/6/8 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
>>
>> piotr micula wrote:
>> > Piotrus, do you have any diffs to prove our point against Deacon? If y=
ou
>> > do, please share them here.
>>
>> This is my up-to-date evidence list against Deacon:
>>
>> * stalking by D
>>
>>
>> Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Eastern_European_disputes/Evidence#Ta=
g_team_1:_Russian
>>
>> * February 4 and 5, 2009 at AE:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Administrators%27=
_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D268589325],
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Administrators%27=
_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D268735675]
>>
>> *February 25, 2009 at article discussion:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk%3AHolocaust_in_Lithuan=
ia&diff=3D273253643&oldid=3D273250888]
>>
>> *February:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Requests_for_arbi=
tration&oldid=3D270472942#Request_for_clarification:_Wikipedia:Requests_for=
_arbitration.2FEastern_European_disputes]
>> an ArbCom clarification request, in which Deacon tries to portray may
>> normal administrative actions as some sort of wrongdoing, again. To
>> quote from Coren: "what I see is a 3RR report that was closed
>> uncontroversially and properly (and which nobody contests on its face,
>> for that matter), and a thread on AE that attempts to rely on a tenuous
>> possible conflict of interest to invoke sanctions according to a
>> particularily imaginative reading of a remedy which was swiftly (and
>> correctly) closed as unactionable. It is impossible, in this context, to
>> see this request as little more than forum shopping; and an attempt to
>> misuse the committee into a bludgeon in a vendetta." But Deacon didn't
>> even get a warning.
>>
>> *April 3 and 4, 2009 at article and policy space:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DBattle_of_Vilnius_%281655%2=
9&diff=3D281534126&oldid=3D281530841
>> move], and when at talk
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk:Battle_of_Vilnius_(165=
5)&diff=3D281724660&oldid=3D281724299
>> I cite a naming policy in support of a version],
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia%3ANaming_conventi=
ons_%28geographic_names%29&diff=3D281729338&oldid=3D281533853
>> he changes the estabilished policy]! (he does so again on
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Naming_convention=
s_(geographic_names)&diff=3D282447250&oldid=3D282446029
>> April 7] and
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia%3ANaming_conventi=
ons_%28geographic_names%29&diff=3D282811646&oldid=3D282716398
>> on April 9], then responds with
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk:Battle_of_Vilnius_(165=
5)&diff=3D281729768&oldid=3D281729093
>> personal remarks on talk] (also
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk:Battle_of_Vilnius_(165=
5)&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D281848806
>> here]) and misrepresents the case at
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Administrators%27=
_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D281718073
>> WP:ANI] criticizing Polish editors, then launches a clear personal
>> attack:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Administrators%27=
_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D281909360
>> "Piotrus, partizan campaigning with personal attacks and straw men on
>> AN/I is not likely to produce any results for you"], and another one:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Administrators%27=
_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D281996850
>> "I honestly can't see any useful purpose to your participation in this
>> thread except as partizan campaigning; unless that is stacking up Polish
>> votes to to Polonise the name of the Lithuanian capital has nothing to
>> do with nationalism."]
>>
>> Please note that Deacon refuses to answer how he became aware of my edit
>> to this orphaned article
>>
>> ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Deacon_of_Pndape=
tzim&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D282009689]).
>>
>> *previous attempts at dispute resolution:
>> [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#Bad_faith_towards_me\Wikiquette alerts]]
>> (April 5): I've asked Deacon to apologize for his uncivil remarks
>> towards me; he instead
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia%3AWikiquette_aler=
ts&diff=3D282002372&oldid=3D281998868
>> repeats them and adds new ones]: "You then joined in with straw men and
>> personal attacks... I've been very moderate about using the "N word" in
>> the context of Piotrus' campaign to change the name of a Lithuanian city
>> to a Polish spelling... Piotrus, please stop with the frivolous
>> forum-shopping and please let a "debate" remain a debate without trying
>> to escalate it into a dispute". He also accused me of "disrupting ANI",
>> =A0making
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia%3AWikiquette_aler=
ts&diff=3D282006059&oldid=3D282005792
>> personal attacks] towards him (I dearly invite anybody to read the post
>> in his diff and try to find any personal attack there) and of
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Administrators%27=
_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D282006979
>> nationalist POV]
>>
>> ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Administrators%2=
7_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D282007762
>> also here]). His final comment at wikiquette indicated no good will
>> towards dispute resolution:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts=
&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D282007379
>> "The phoney indignation is boring, and nothing's gonna happen here.
>> Please just stop all this drama-mongering"]. --~~~~
>>
>> *April 6: as he has done in the past, Deacon appears immediately in a
>> thread I opened at AE, even through it doesn't concern him at all, to
>> defend an editor I complained about:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia%3AAdministrators%=
27_noticeboard%2FArbitration_enforcement&diff=3D282216930&oldid=3D282211595]
>> ; he there accuses me of "forum-shopping", and categorizes those who
>> disagree with the editor I disagree with as "tendentious multi-blocked
>> nationalists trolls". Next, he makes an unbacked personal attack at
>> another Polish user, Radeksz ("he (Dr. Dan) is not by any means half as
>> problematic a user as, for instance, User:Radeksz whom Piotrus has gone
>> to a lot of trouble to protect"). He then hijacks the AE request by
>> posting obsolete (last arbcom) evidence against Radeksz:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Administrators%27=
_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement&diff=3D282236979&oldid=3D282232264].
>> =A0 Note that he uses evidence and claims from the rejected arbitration
>> clarification request to smear my and Radeksz name.
>> Third 3RR violation: Piotrus closes the issue himself to avoid a block"
>> and so on. Note also that
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Administrators%27=
_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement&diff=3D282237414&oldid=3D282237165
>> he moves Radeksz post] like he did with mine earlier, with potentially
>> confusing results. When I attempted to structure the discussion, he
>> reverted me with an uncivil edit summary
>>
>> ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia%3AAdministrators=
%27_noticeboard%2FArbitration_enforcement&diff=3D282275525&oldid=3D28227511=
1]).
>> Subsequently, a neutral admin reviewing this case
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk%3ADeacon_of_Pndap=
etzim&diff=3D282278967&oldid=3D282277765
>> supported my edit], as
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Administrators%27=
_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement&diff=3D282288194&oldid=3D282287798
>> did another].
>>
>> *April 7:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia_talk:Requested_mo=
ves&diff=3D282445068&oldid=3D282443991
>> Deacon presents an analysis of vote], dividing users into ethnic camps,
>> with bad faith assumptions "long term ally of certain users", "(followed
>> user X and opposed him". Notably, the bad faith assumptions are limited
>> to the users opposing him; and the ethnic analysis is twisted - in an
>> attempt to show how Poles outvote Lithuanians, Lithuanian users agreeing
>> with Deacon and living in US are shown as Americans
>>
>> ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia_talk%3ARequested=
_moves&diff=3D282579954&oldid=3D282504996]),
>> but Poles living in US are, well, Poles...
>>
>>
>> *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia%3AAdministrators=
%27_noticeboard%2FArbitration_enforcement&diff=3D282467288&oldid=3D282463214
>> more bad faith and slander]: "the four users are all your normal
>> tag-team partners I'd expect to turn up here....", "It's no secret that
>> I am one of many many users who have had a problem with much of your
>> behaviour Piotrus," "The long old ad hominems you've been in the habit
>> of launching against me and any one else whenever they try to ensure a
>> fair hearing for one of your ideological "opponents" won't make your
>> "evidence" against this one any stronger"
>>
>> *stalking:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia_talk%3ARequested_=
moves&diff=3D282436896&oldid=3D282435103
>> Deacon appears on a Wikipedia page and answers my question, defending a
>> disruptive user]
>>
>>
>> *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia%3AAdministrators=
%27_noticeboard%2FArbitration_enforcement&diff=3D282618987&oldid=3D28260928=
1]:
>> Deacon misrepresents the arbcom case, accuses me of "edit-warring in
>> with poorly-sourced nationalistic nonsense against consensus," (and also
>> slanders other editors: "no-one's gonna care, as most of the AE admins
>> have done much worse"). He repeats claims from last ArbCom that were
>> dismissed by arbcom (but were not clearly rejected, so as I predicted,
>> all the accusations will get repeated on an on): "user who spends much
>> of his wiki-time IMing with notorious nationalist edit-warriors (like
>> Alden Jones...)", "That the editors who've joined you here are your
>> normal tag-teamers"
>>
>>
>> *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk%3ASandstein&diff=
=3D282633373&oldid=3D282633058]:
>> here Deacon appears on talk page to defend an editor that offended me
>> and slanders me again: "it's rather saintly compared with much of the
>> stuff... Piotrus' allies say but never gets reported...
>>
>> * April 9: Accusing other editors:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk:Jogaila&diff=3D2827149=
88&oldid=3D282714688
>> of nationalism]
>>
>> *May 21: just few days after returning from his 1-month wikibreak,
>> Deacon becomes involved in a SPI case involving a Polish user, and
>> becomes the only non-SPI/CU/ArbCom official to see the "secret evidence"
>> in this case:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Sockpuppet_invest=
igations/Molobo&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D291375384].
>> Requests from other non-SPI/CU/ArbCom editors to obtain this evidence,
>> and to ask why Deacon obtained this evidence, are ignored or rejected.
>>
>> *May 31:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia%3AAdministrators%=
27_noticeboard&diff=3D293606105&oldid=3D293602145
>> bad faith against Polish users in general and Piotrus in particular]
>>
>> *June 2:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk%3AAvraham&diff=3D=
294030252&oldid=3D294029001
>> Bad faith, PA against me]
>>
>> *June 3:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Administrators%27=
_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=3D294165024&oldid=3D294163865
>> bad faith], note
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Administrators%27=
_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=3D294193718&oldid=3D294184461
>> that an editor was offended]
>>
>> *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Deacon_of_Pndape=
tzim&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D294155101
>> refusal to discuss his behavior]
>>
>> *June 5:
>>
>> *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Deacon_of_Pndape=
tzim&diff=3D294456430&oldid=3D294450386
>> refuses mediation, assumes bad faith]
>>
>> *June 8:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Jacurek&diff=3Dpr=
ev&oldid=3D295013000
>> abuse of admin powers]
>> *June 8:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Deacon_of_Pndapet=
zim&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D295082429
>> refusal to discuss the issues, removing any criticism as "slanderous
>> personal attacks"] and
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Deacon_of_Pndapet=
zim&diff=3D295112666&oldid=3D295112174
>> closing the discussion]
>> *June 8:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Deacon_of_Pndapet=
zim&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D295086772
>> bad faith towards administrative actions of others]
>> *June 8:
>>
>> *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia%3AAdministrators=
%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=3D295085030&oldid=3D295084717
>> accusing an editor of being "a hard-core edit warrior"]
>> *June 8: more bad faith and PAs:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Arbitration/Reque=
sts/Enforcement&diff=3D295190903&oldid=3D295190539
>> I would ask however that Radeksz is added to the Diguren case. He
>> appears to be a one-purpose nationalist account who does nothing on
>> wikipedia but edit-war against German and Lithuanian users (mainly
>> German users), and then go shopping against them.]
>> *June 8:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Arbitration/Reque=
sts/Enforcement&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D295205955
>> bad faith: "Poland-Lithuania-Russia axis"... clear dislike users in this
>> area have towards me]
>> *June 8:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Arbitration/Reque=
sts/Enforcement&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D295218878
>> bad faith towards others, characterizing his opponents as "battlers"]
>> *June 8:
>>
>> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Arbitration/Reque=
sts/Enforcement&diff=3D295226926&oldid=3D295226895
>> more ofthe above: "satisfaction of the fictional anti-Polishness
>> conveniently manufactured by the tendentious swarm above"]
>>
>> --
>> Prokonsul Piotrus aka Piotr Konieczny =A0 =A0 =A0 |||____ =A0__ __
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 I=3DI=3D=3D=3D=3D__|_|I__I=3D>
>> "Lennier, get us the hell out of here." =A0 =A0 |||
>> "Initiating 'getting the hell out of here' maneuver."
>> =A0-- Ivanova and Lennier in Babylon 5:"The Hour of the Wolf"
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