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it won't work in case of either of us, i think. I rejoined as a goodie
and still ran into trouble with numerous people and got blocked for
idiotic reasons wrt LDPRF page.
You can easily get an admin if you contribute trivia (American
villages, superstars and caitlin Uptons), yes, probably IT
contributions aren't very controversial either.
But if you consider e.g. how Piotrus once became sysop - there were
just a few people who voted for, no real controversies these good ole=B4
days...

Miacek.


On 11/06/2009, Martin <martint20@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've seen people become admins within months of joining Wikipedia. For
> example AdjustShift (who recently conducted the SPI against Molobo)
> became an admin in April 09 after joining in September 08.
> He nominated himself here
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/AdjustShift
>
> The trick seems to be to use another identity and strictly confine
> edits to a totally unrelated and uncontroversial area, and basically
> behave as a model Wikipedian.
>
> Here is an interesting paper that models successful admin candidates:
> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~kraut/RKraut.site.files/articles/burke08-MoppingUp=
-ModlingWikpediaPromotion.pdf
>
> Martin
>
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Miacek and his crime-fighting
> dog<miacek08@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> yes, more sysops are always needed. I once tried to get termer
>> adminned, but it failed miserably :-(
>>
>>
>>
>> On 06/06/2009, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl> wrote:
>>> I think we need to plan long term, and get a CU of our own. This will
>>> involve first getting an admin status, and then, CU. I don't think I am
>>> likely to get CU myself, if for nothing else then that I am not involved
>>> and not interested in dealing with CU issues, and one will have to prove
>>> that one is interested in CU issues unrelated to EE for that.
>>>
>>> In order to do this, I'd suggest that one of us excercises the WP:Right
>>> to vanish to clear his name from any association to Poles/Batlics/etc.
>>> that would be likely to draw opposition "because of his friends" and
>>> creates a new account, one that would for the most part avoid
>>> interaction with EE issues, and would become increasingly involved in
>>> anti-vandal / admin issues, embarking upon a track for adminship and
>>> then, CU (it may be worthwhile to analyze edit history and pattern of
>>> existing CU and emulate them).
>>>
>>> Who could do this? It has to be somebody with a clean record, to avoid
>>> being compromised in the future along the lines "you hid your bad block
>>> log" - I would not put it above CU to run checks on their future
>>> buddies. WP:RTV gives an editor the right to discard a previous
>>> identity, but hiding a bad block log (Dig or Molobo - sorry guys - sorry
>>> :>) could sink our plan. Per
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOCK#Inappropriate_uses_of_alter=
native_accounts
>>> I am afraid that such an account would also mean retiring the old
>>> identity, and not running other socks. Any thoughts who would like to
>>> embark on such a wiki-life changing move?
>>>
>>> Do note that becoming a CU is only slightly less difficult then becoming
>>> an ArbCom member...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CheckUser
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/CheckUser_=
and_Oversight_elections
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/CheckUser_=
and_Oversight_elections/February_2009
>>>
>>> On a related note, we have previously discussed admining more of us; I
>>> think it is still possible. Vecrumba is the most likely candidate (clean
>>> block log, lack of wiki warring) for that. Tymek has a clean block log,
>>> but little interest in wikipolitic/adminship issues (correct me if I am
>>> wrong?). Radeksz has only one 3RR block, it should be possible to bypass
>>> that, same for Marting; Miacek's record also seems defensible. Any other
>>> candidates? Do note that once you reach admin level, you are that much
>>> closer to CU.
>>>
>>> Considering the pool of our members, I think that getting a few more
>>> admins is possible, but getting a CU will take time (years?). Still, if
>>> we don't try...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Prokonsul Piotrus aka Piotr Konieczny       |||____  __ __
>>>                                        I=3DI=3D=3D=3D=3D__|_|I__I=3D>
>>> "Lennier, get us the hell out of here."     |||
>>> "Initiating 'getting the hell out of here' maneuver."
>>>   -- Ivanova and Lennier in Babylon 5:"The Hour of the Wolf"
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