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Molobo Molobo wrote:
> All my works are based on qualified scholary sources, written by
> professional historians. I have yet to see a scholary work that I used
> that was propaganda. Just because something was written in PRL doesn't
> mean its propaganda. In fact often it is more reliable then modern
> pro-EU propaganda where every second sentence is not about history but
> about "reconcillation" or other bullshit.

A lot of irreplaceable (so far) work was done in PRL (for example 
Madajczyk study of Polish culture in WWII). As long as we realize that 
such work had obvious biases and was a victim of censorship, it is ok to 
use it - even some Soviet historians works are acceptable under careful 
scrutiny.

While I am haven't read much about "pro-EU propaganda", I am aware that 
there are modern nationalist organization (usually far-right) in Poland 
pushing pro-hate versions of history. They are 
anti-German/Ukranian/Lithuanian and so on (of course, they have 
equivalents in those countries as well). Let's try to avoid using such 
sources; I find criticism of a Polish source reliability coming from 
Polish editors (Molobo and Lysy) very welcome. We need to take care of 
our own problems - before others embarrass us by pointing it to us. On 
the same note, I hope that our Ukrainians colleagues will try to avoid 
using pro-OUN/UIA sources (which are relatively common among 
English-speaking Ukrainian diaspora, for example).

And Tymek, please avoid personal attacks against Molobo. If you have a 
problem, perhaps I can mediate - on that list or in private. You are 
both valuable and experienced editors, so whatever caused some bad faith 
between you two - please bury it.

-- 
Piotr Konieczny

"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in 
theory."

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