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	Content preview:  Yes, that's right, Moldopodo is an ethnic Ukrainian in
	documents, but he does not know the language, nor the culture. This
	unfortunately is the rule, not the exception. You can look at
	[[Demographics of Moldova]] to notice that 50% of Moldova's ethnic
	Ukrainians, and over 80% of them in cities speek Russian as the first
	language. In my home town, there are 25 thousand ethnic Russians and 30
	thousand ethnic Ukrainians (and 70 thousand Romanians), but 50 thousand
	speak Russian, and less than 5000 speak Ukrainian. And it's generally
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	Content preview:  Yes, that's right, Moldopodo is an ethnic Ukrainian in
	documents, but he does not know the language, nor the culture. This
	unfortunately is the rule, not the exception. You can look at
	[[Demographics of Moldova]] to notice that 50% of Moldova's ethnic
	Ukrainians, and over 80% of them in cities speek Russian as the first
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	thousand ethnic Ukrainians (and 70 thousand Romanians), but 50 thousand
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	unfortunately a half-Russian Ukrainian. The problem with that is
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Yes, that's right, Moldopodo is an ethnic Ukrainian in documents, but he
does not know the language, nor the culture. This unfortunately is the
rule, not the exception. You can look at [[Demographics of Moldova]] to
notice that 50% of Moldova's ethnic Ukrainians, and over 80% of them in
cities speek Russian as the first language. In my home town, there are 25
thousand ethnic Russians and 30 thousand ethnic Ukrainians (and 70 thousand
Romanians), but 50 thousand speak Russian, and less than 5000 speak
Ukrainian. And it's generally unfortunately a half-Russian Ukrainian. The
problem with that is uprooted people don't feel connection to any culture
and can be easier manipulated. Ethnic roots of his grandparents have nothing
to do with his character's instability and his ideological extremism. I
would rather guess the harsh condition of "transition economy" have had much
more influence on him, hardening his belief that everything Soviet was a
blessing from Heaven.

About Xasha, I don't know. My understanding was that he was educated in a
Russian, not Romanian school, but I don't know that for sure. He is at least
1/2 Romanian/Moldovan. About the other half I am not sure. I interacted very
little directly with him.

Anonimu is 100% from Romania, he has nothing to do with Moldova, except for
his communist belief and Soviet idolatry. I believe he mentioned once to us
that he has Lipovan roots from Dobrudja. But he was educated in the Romanian
language and culture, not in Old Believer one. And I think he had a relative
that had some high party position before 1989, which would explain his WP
behavior. Nothing to do with ethnicity and religion.

2009/5/3 Christian Suciu <christiansuciu@yahoo.com>

>   Correct me if I'm wrong, Dorin, but Moldopodo is actually an ethnic
> Ukrainian, which could explain a lot about his pro-Soviet outlook.
> Xasha's real name is Alexandru (I don't know the last name), which is
> Romanian (of course, it's Aleksandr in Russian). And he always said he was
> "Moldovan" - no mention of a Slavic background. Still, it wouldn't shock me.
>
> For those who remember Anonimu, Dorin and I were also speculating he's at
> least partly Old Believer/Lipovan, which would theoretically explain some of
> his very pro-Communist/Soviet bent. But he told me himself he's fully
> Romanian, and his name, George Ladima, seems to confirm this. (Although that
> could be a pseudonym - it's a character in one of Camil Petrescu's novels.)
>
> And by the way, EvilAlex hasn't edited since 2007, but if you check his
> block log, you'll see he's not banned.
>
> Anyway, all four of these characters are mostly in the past and no longer
> worry us.
>
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<div>Yes, that&#39;s right, Moldopodo is an ethnic Ukrainian in documents, =
but he does not know the language, nor the culture. This unfortunately is t=
he rule,=A0not the exception. You can look at [[Demographics of Moldova]] t=
o notice that 50% of Moldova&#39;s ethnic Ukrainians, and over 80% of them =
in cities speek Russian as the first language. In my home town, there are 2=
5 thousand ethnic Russians and=A030 thousand ethnic Ukrainians (and 70 thou=
sand Romanians), but 50 thousand speak Russian, and less than 5000 speak Uk=
rainian. And it&#39;s generally unfortunately a half-Russian Ukrainian.=A0T=
he problem with that is=A0uprooted people don&#39;t feel connection to any =
culture and=A0can be easier manipulated.=A0Ethnic roots of his grandparents=
 have nothing to do with his character&#39;s instability and his ideologica=
l extremism. I would rather guess the harsh condition of &quot;transition e=
conomy&quot; have had much more influence on him, hardening his belief that=
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<div>=A0</div>
<div>About Xasha, I don&#39;t know. My understanding was that he was educat=
ed in a Russian, not Romanian school, but I don&#39;t know that for sure. H=
e is at least 1/2 Romanian/Moldovan. About the other half I am not sure. I =
interacted very little directly with him.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Anonimu is 100% from Romania, he has nothing to do with Moldova, excep=
t for his communist belief and Soviet idolatry. I believe he mentioned once=
 to us that he has Lipovan roots from Dobrudja. But he was educated in the =
Romanian language and culture, not in Old Believer one. And I think he had =
a relative that had some high party position before 1989, which would expla=
in his WP behavior. Nothing to do with ethnicity and religion.<br>
<br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/5/3 Christian Suciu <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:christiansuciu@yahoo.com">christiansuciu@yahoo.com</a>&gt;=
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<td valign=3D"top">Correct me if I&#39;m wrong, Dorin, but Moldopodo is act=
ually an ethnic Ukrainian, which could explain a lot about his pro-Soviet o=
utlook.=20
<div><br></div>
<div>Xasha&#39;s real name is Alexandru (I don&#39;t know the last name), w=
hich is Romanian (of course, it&#39;s Aleksandr in Russian). And he always =
said he was &quot;Moldovan&quot; - no mention of a Slavic background. Still=
, it wouldn&#39;t shock me.</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>For those who remember Anonimu, Dorin and I were also speculating he&#=
39;s at least partly Old Believer/Lipovan, which would theoretically explai=
n some of his very pro-Communist/Soviet bent. But he told me himself he&#39=
;s fully Romanian, and his name, George Ladima, seems to confirm this. (Alt=
hough that could be a pseudonym - it&#39;s a character in one of Camil Petr=
escu&#39;s novels.)</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>And by the way, EvilAlex hasn&#39;t edited since 2007, but if you chec=
k his block log, you&#39;ll see he&#39;s not banned.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Anyway, all four of these characters are mostly in the past and no lon=
ger worry us.</div></td></tr></tbody></table><br><br>______________________=
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