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	Content preview: Here we go again. Killing civilians was for AK just as
	standard SOP as it was for UPA. None of the programme documents of UPA
	define it as such. It was not the explicit goal of the UPA to kill the
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	fighters were illiterate peasants, I don't think they would even read
	the program documents even if they were and knew what SOP was. Which
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Here we go again. Killing civilians was for AK just as standard SOP as it was for UPA. None of the programme documents of UPA define it as such. It was not the explicit goal of the UPA to kill the Poles. The army was just formed in 1942 and at the time consisted of different detachments with sometimes little control at all. 90% of the fighters were illiterate peasants, I don't think they would even read the program documents even if they were and knew what SOP was. Which cannot be said about AK. Atrocities commited by AK are voluminous and not only in Volhynia but in Belarus and elsewhere. There are enough skeletons in each other respective closets. (no pun intended).

I was metioning national perspective on history, so for Ukrainians AK is just as murderous as it commited atrocities against civilians but it also defended Warsaw. So UPA commited atrocities and defended their land against the Soviets. The difference is only per personal preference. You cannot equate the two? Well, Ukrainians can and it doesn't seem rediculous one bit. Equating UPA with the Nazis, measuring up atrocities from both sides on some weird inexplicable scale and constantly bringing this sording mess that poisons relations between the two neigbours is the reason why we often talk past one onother. 

>And equaling AK to UPA is
> preposterous on so many 
> levels it's not even funny. Yes, there were a few instances
> of AK 
> massacring civilian villages. They are exception to the
> rule, a rule 
> that was pretty SOP for UPA. Inability to admit both of
> those issues 
> (for the Poles - that AK did commit a few atrocities and
> was not 
> perfect, and for the Ukrainians - that UPA was little
> different from the 
> Nazis other than being used by them and not the other way
> around) is, 
> unfortunately, the main reason we so often talk past one
> another :(
> 
> -- 
> Piotr Konieczny
> 
> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in
> reality, not in 
> theory."
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