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Faustian is capable of reasonable debate, here he is a bit passionate
about the subject-but that can be somewhat understood considering the
importance of the topic.
Now the remark
"Third, considering WW2 began due to TOV Polish occupation of German
territories, how could Poland expect anything be returned at all?" is
obvious flaming by Lvivskie (not to mention historically ignorant as
mostwere territories taken in partitions of Poland) and perhaps should
be recorded for future if he makes such attempts again.

What would be good is to list the points of disagreements and then work on each.
There is to me no controversy on the fact that Poles made up only 8 %
or so of population of Volhynia and Ukrainians had the just right to
the territory.
What I would change is
"Polish commanders had explained that this would involve a war against
Ukrainians followed by a swift "armed occupation" of the disputed
territories."

>From the context of the article readers could imply that this would be
war against Ukrainian population-I believe they considered fight with
Ukrainian armed forces. As sad as it is the civilian population
probably would be subjected to attempts to make them Poles, also
Polish nationalists often didn't see Ukrainians as nation(this
repulsive opinion is sometimes still founded in far-right circles in
Poland)

So I would  change the sentence to

"Polish commanders had explained that this would involve a war against
Ukrainian forces followed by a swift "armed occupation" of the
disputed territories."


I would welcome Ostap comments.

This is an interesting case as likely we have a different views on the
subject here on the very list. It is important to leave any emotions
aside and try to reach some neutral joint view. I think it also
wouldn't hurt from our Polish side to underline that indeed Volhyn was
Ukrainian and Poles were minority there, that discriminated Ukrainian
side.

2009/7/14 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>:
> Any thoughts or comments on the discussion/situation at:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia
>
> I can see why Loosemark is bothered by this and I think Lvivskie is trying
> to provoke something here but this is a difficult subject so other opinions
> would be welcome.
>
> Radek
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