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I've read through Molobo's RfC and it is really good - some of this stuff, I
actually got to admit that it really convinced me that Skapperod was a lot
more extremist/radical then I previously though (before I just thought he
was a regular German-nationalist POV pusher - but some of his stuff is just
plain disturbing). I still think however that we should wait until we have a
"smoking gun" or a "clincher" - a single egregerious violation which will
allow us to bring in all this other stuff. If Skapperod protests too much
over his latest being dismissed (as I hope it is) and in frustration
says/does something more extreme, it'd be a pretty good reason to file RfC.

On a related note - for Molobo - one problem with you writing and me posting
the Fritz Reis article is that I'm pretty sure that I've publically admitted
I don't speak German. So if the article is sourced to German sources it will
look really suspicious. Do we have somebody who's fluent in German and can
pull this off?

Radek


2009/7/11 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>

> I think we should wait on the RfC until we have a pretty strong case -
> otherwise it might be seen the same way that Skapperod's latest is being
> interpreted, as just more Eastern European bickering and spurious reports.
> We should save Sandstein's comments [
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=next&oldid=301570502]
> and Adjust Shift's pleading [
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sandstein&diff=301581443&oldid=301571717
> ]
> to use as part of the RfC in the future.
>
> Radek
>
>
> 2009/7/11 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
>
>> To all email users-this message comes with text file where I wrote
>> down my earlier draft of my RFC against Skapperod.
>>
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I&#39;ve read through Molobo&#39;s RfC and it is really good - some of this=
 stuff, I actually got to admit that it really convinced me that Skapperod =
was a lot more extremist/radical then I previously though (before I just th=
ought he was a regular German-nationalist POV pusher - but some of his stuf=
f is just plain disturbing). I still think however that we should wait unti=
l we have a &quot;smoking gun&quot; or a &quot;clincher&quot; - a single eg=
regerious violation which will allow us to bring in all this other stuff. I=
f Skapperod protests too much over his latest being dismissed (as I hope it=
 is) and in frustration says/does something more extreme, it&#39;d be a pre=
tty good reason to file RfC.<br>
<br>On a related note - for Molobo - one problem with you writing and me po=
sting the Fritz Reis article is that I&#39;m pretty sure that I&#39;ve publ=
ically admitted I don&#39;t speak German. So if the article is sourced to G=
erman sources it will look really suspicious. Do we have somebody who&#39;s=
 fluent in German and can pull this off?<br>
<br>Radek<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/7/11 radek szulga <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com">rsszulga@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1=
px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"=
>
I think we should wait on the RfC until we have a pretty strong case - othe=
rwise it might be seen the same way that Skapperod&#39;s latest is being in=
terpreted, as just more Eastern European bickering and spurious reports. <b=
r>

We should save Sandstein&#39;s comments [<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org=
/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&amp;diff=3D=
next&amp;oldid=3D301570502" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/ind=
ex.php?title=3DWikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&amp;diff=3Dnext&a=
mp;oldid=3D301570502</a>] and Adjust Shift&#39;s pleading [<a href=3D"http:=
//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Sandstein&amp;diff=3D30158=
1443&amp;oldid=3D301571717" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/ind=
ex.php?title=3DUser_talk:Sandstein&amp;diff=3D301581443&amp;oldid=3D3015717=
17</a>]<br>

to use as part of the RfC in the future.<br><br>Radek<br><br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">2009/7/11 Molobo Molobo <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:molobus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">molobus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"im"=
>
To all email users-this message comes with text file where I wrote<br>
down my earlier draft of my RFC against Skapperod.<br>
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