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Wow, you know so much about Romanian politics!!! How comes?

2009/6/11 Miacek and his crime-fighting dog <miacek08@googlemail.com>

> I've observed the PRM as part of a wider and interesting politological
>  phenomenon. (...) On the other hand, where ex-commies/nomenklatura members
> could present the role of nationalist strongmen (Milosevic's ''Socialist''
> Party), Russia's KPRF, and similarly PRM (their leaders either authors
> of Ceausescu panegyrics or just close to Securitate, yes?), radical
> nationalism tended to associate more with the nomenklatura forces
> (''Left-wing nationalism'').
>
> M.


Yes, exactly, that is Vadim. But he is a little paranoid and his level of
civilization is considerably smaller than that of Milosevic. In 1990s number
2 in his party was the former number 2 in Securitate (note that number 1 in
Securitate was a rotating position).

> Forgot to add - PRM used to be quite leftist in early 1990s, during
> the ''Red Quadrate'' cabinet of Iliescu's ex-commies, supported by
> some small orthodox Marxist party (no wiki article yet :-( ], a
> National Unity Party and PRM circus.
>
> M.

Now, that's truly something exceptional: most Romanians won't remember or
even know that! The Red Quadrangle was the coalition that governed Romania
between 1992 and 1996 (President - Ion Iliescu, Prime-Minister - Nicolae
Vacaroiu, Speaker of the Parliament - Adrian Nastase, i.e. the hard core
post-communist guard). It was formed of 4 parties in order to have over 50%,
and if anyone would live it would drop below 50%:

PDSR (Partidul Democratiei Sociale din Romania, Party of Social Democracy in
Romania), which is not the Social Democratic Party. This is the main post
communist force, and all these 3 people belong to it.

PUNR (Partidul Unitatii Nationale Romane, Party of Romanian National Unity),
led by the then mayor of Cluj-Napoca Gheorghe Funar, which pretended to have
support in Transylvania.

PSM (Partidul Socialist al Muncii, Socialist Party of Labour), led by Ilie
Verdet (last prime-minister of communist Romania) and Adrian Paunescu
(Ceausescu 's court poet/minstrel)

PRM (Partidul Romania Mare, Greater Romania Party), led by Corneliu Vadim
Tudor

The two middle parties are now defunct.

The opposition at the same time was:

PNTCD (pre-WWII christian democrats)
PNL (pre-WWII liberals), which in fact was split into 4 groups
PSDR (pre-WWII social democrats)
PD (Roman and Basescu; Basescu eliminated Roman in 2001)
UDMR (Hungarian minority)

Note that in 1991-1992 Romania had a technocrat government, with many people
who were not former communist party members, while after 1996, the
"Conventia Democratica" coalition came to power, and Iliescu lost
presidential elections. So, 1992-1996 is the height of former-communist
comeback.

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Wow, you know so much about Romanian politics!!! How comes?<br><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">2009/6/11 Miacek and his crime-fighting dog <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:miacek08@googlemail.com">miacek08@googlemail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I&#39;ve observed the PRM as part of a wide=
r and interesting politological<br>
=A0phenomenon. (...)=A0On the other hand, where ex-commies/nomenklatura mem=
bers could present=A0the role of nationalist strongmen (Milosevic&#39;s &#3=
9;&#39;Socialist&#39;&#39; Party),=A0Russia&#39;s KPRF, and similarly PRM (=
their leaders either authors of=A0Ceausescu panegyrics or just close to Sec=
uritate, yes?), radical<br>

nationalism tended to associate more with the nomenklatura forces<br>
(&#39;&#39;Left-wing nationalism&#39;&#39;).<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
M.</font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, exactly, that is Vadim. But =
he is a little paranoid and his level of civilization is considerably small=
er than that of Milosevic. In 1990s number 2 in his party was the former nu=
mber 2 in Securitate (note that number 1 in Securitate was a rotating posit=
ion).</div>
<div><br></div><div>&gt;=A0<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border=
-collapse: collapse; ">Forgot to add - PRM used to be quite leftist in earl=
y 1990s, during</span></div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"borde=
r-collapse: collapse; ">&gt; the &#39;&#39;Red Quadrate&#39;&#39; cabinet o=
f Iliescu&#39;s ex-commies, supported by<br>
&gt; some small orthodox Marxist party (no wiki article yet :-( ], a<br>&gt=
; National Unity Party and PRM circus.<br>&gt;<br></span><div><span class=
=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse; ">&gt; M.</span>=
=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>Now, that&#39;s truly something exceptional: most Roman=
ians won&#39;t remember or even know that! The Red Quadrangle was the coali=
tion that governed Romania between 1992 and 1996 (President - Ion Iliescu, =
Prime-Minister - Nicolae Vacaroiu, Speaker of the Parliament - Adrian Nasta=
se, i.e. the hard core post-communist guard). It was formed of 4 parties in=
 order to have over 50%, and if anyone would live it would drop below 50%:<=
/div>
<div><br></div><div>PDSR (Partidul Democratiei Sociale din Romania, Party o=
f Social Democracy in Romania), which is not the Social Democratic Party. T=
his is the main post communist force, and all these 3 people belong to it.<=
/div>
<div><br></div><div>PUNR (Partidul Unitatii Nationale Romane, Party of Roma=
nian National Unity), led by the then mayor of Cluj-Napoca Gheorghe Funar, =
which pretended to have support in Transylvania.</div><div><br></div><div>
PSM (Partidul Socialist al Muncii, Socialist Party of Labour), led by Ilie =
Verdet (last prime-minister of communist Romania) and Adrian Paunescu (Ceau=
sescu &#39;s court poet/minstrel)</div><div><br></div><div>PRM (Partidul Ro=
mania Mare, Greater Romania Party), led by Corneliu Vadim Tudor</div>
<div><br></div><div>The two middle parties are now defunct.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>The opposition at the same time was:</div><div><br></div><div>PNT=
CD (pre-WWII christian democrats)</div><div>PNL (pre-WWII liberals), which =
in fact was split into 4 groups</div>
<div>PSDR (pre-WWII social democrats)</div><div>PD (Roman and Basescu; Base=
scu eliminated Roman in 2001)</div><div>UDMR (Hungarian minority)</div><div=
><br></div><div>Note that in 1991-1992 Romania had a technocrat government,=
 with many people who were not former communist party members, while after =
1996, the &quot;Conventia Democratica&quot; coalition came to power, and Il=
iescu lost presidential elections. So, 1992-1996 is the height of former-co=
mmunist comeback.</div>
</div><br>

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