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BTW, today I found in a Gdansk bookstore  "Devil's Reporter" by Georg
Schmidt. It's not the same as "Report from Hell" (I think) that Molobo
referred to but it's got a bit on the parade that I'll include shortly.

I got a few other good sources for future articles as well, and I might as
well list them here in case anyone's got any comments or suggestions on them
(they mostly have to do with Polish history though):
"Shield and Sword of Communism" - the previously mentioned history of Polish
secret police UB, published by IPN. Some good stuff in there, including a
list of few massacres perpetrated against civilians by UB in the late 40's
and 50's.
"Jews in the Uprising" - this topic - Jews in Polish underground and in AK -
has interested me for awhile and it might come in handy if the whole
Boodles/Mordoor thing flares up again. It doesn't whitewash stuff either
(only got through about a third of it though)
"Wielkopolskie Uprising" - for Herkus and Skapperod, obviously. Haven't
really cracked this one open, aside from reading the introduction.
"Crimes of Wermacht in Poland" - German historian, new book seems really
good. For the usual trolls like Matthead and Kurfurst.
Guidebook for the Warsaw Uprising Museum, in English, got it mostly for my
wife who doesn't speak Polish. There's an interesting article to be written
about Slovak units in the uprising who apparantly were the only foreigners
who got to serve in their own units with their own colors/armbands. Not sure
if this is already somewhere. Other good stuff for a few biographies and
there should probably be some info on the role of Hungarian units during the
uprising (serving under the Germans but actually very supportive of the
uprising)
"Fire in Bieszczady" by Motyka - got this one cuz the guy's name has come up
several times in some of the recent Polish-Ukrainian disputes and wanted to
check it out, since I haven't read him before. He seems straight up and even
handed - has a whole chapter countering anti-Ukrainian communist propaganda
from the pre-89 days.
Gibraltar - on Sikorski's death. Still haven't made up my mind what I think
of all the latest conspiracy theories (British and Soviets killed him) going
around.
Book of AK documents. Primary source but useful.
A book on Heda "Szary" - though after reading it he comes off a little like
an old man telling some tales (particularly on how he stood up to the secret
police interogators - everything I've read on this suggests that that kind
of thing wasn't really possible).
and a few others.

In order to avoid baggage fees we've mailed all of these to US (which is why
I'm not listing the authors) so I actually won't have access to them until
they arrive but there's a lot of good stuff in them for Wiki articles.

Radek



2009/9/8 Martin <martint20@gmail.com>

> The seizure of Tallinn by Soviet forces. My understanding is that
> German forces already abandoned the city a couple days before, the
> pre-war government attempted to re-assert sovereignty, but Soviet
> forces quickly crushed that attempt.
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Piotr Konieczny<piokon@post.pl> wrote:
> > Digwuren wrote:
> >> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 04:42, Martin <martint20@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:martint20@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Nice work guys. This article should be nominated for DYK, and again
> >>     for "On this day..." for the 75th anniversary of the parade on
> >>     September 22.
> >>
> >>
> >> So THAT is why other, more "glorious" events of the War that happened on
> >> September 22 are so important to the Cartel!
> >
> > Huh? What other events? Diffs?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Piotr Konieczny
> >
> > "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
> > theory."
> >
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BTW, today I found in a Gdansk bookstore=A0 &quot;Devil&#39;s Reporter&quot=
; by Georg Schmidt. It&#39;s not the same as &quot;Report from Hell&quot; (=
I think) that Molobo referred to but it&#39;s got a bit on the parade that =
I&#39;ll include shortly.<br>
<br>I got a few other good sources for future articles as well, and I might=
 as well list them here in case anyone&#39;s got any comments or suggestion=
s on them (they mostly have to do with Polish history though):<br>&quot;Shi=
eld and Sword of Communism&quot; - the previously mentioned history of Poli=
sh secret police UB, published by IPN. Some good stuff in there, including =
a list of few massacres perpetrated against civilians by UB in the late 40&=
#39;s and 50&#39;s.<br>
&quot;Jews in the Uprising&quot; - this topic - Jews in Polish underground =
and in AK - has interested me for awhile and it might come in handy if the =
whole Boodles/Mordoor thing flares up again. It doesn&#39;t whitewash stuff=
 either (only got through about a third of it though)<br>
&quot;Wielkopolskie Uprising&quot; - for Herkus and Skapperod, obviously. H=
aven&#39;t really cracked this one open, aside from reading the introductio=
n.<br>&quot;Crimes of Wermacht in Poland&quot; - German historian, new book=
 seems really good. For the usual trolls like Matthead and Kurfurst.<br>
Guidebook for the Warsaw Uprising Museum, in English, got it mostly for my =
wife who doesn&#39;t speak Polish. There&#39;s an interesting article to be=
 written about Slovak units in the uprising who apparantly were the only fo=
reigners who got to serve in their own units with their own colors/armbands=
. Not sure if this is already somewhere. Other good stuff for a few biograp=
hies and there should probably be some info on the role of Hungarian units =
during the uprising (serving under the Germans but actually very supportive=
 of the uprising)<br>
&quot;Fire in Bieszczady&quot; by Motyka - got this one cuz the guy&#39;s n=
ame has come up several times in some of the recent Polish-Ukrainian disput=
es and wanted to check it out, since I haven&#39;t read him before. He seem=
s straight up and even handed - has a whole chapter countering anti-Ukraini=
an communist propaganda from the pre-89 days.<br>
Gibraltar - on Sikorski&#39;s death. Still haven&#39;t made up my mind what=
 I think of all the latest conspiracy theories (British and Soviets killed =
him) going around.<br>Book of AK documents. Primary source but useful.<br>
A book on Heda &quot;Szary&quot; - though after reading it he comes off a l=
ittle like an old man telling some tales (particularly on how he stood up t=
o the secret police interogators - everything I&#39;ve read on this suggest=
s that that kind of thing wasn&#39;t really possible).<br>
and a few others.<br><br>In order to avoid baggage fees we&#39;ve mailed al=
l of these to US (which is why I&#39;m not listing the authors) so I actual=
ly won&#39;t have access to them until they arrive but there&#39;s a lot of=
 good stuff in them for Wiki articles.<br>
<br>Radek<br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/8 Martin <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martint20@gmail.com">martint20@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1p=
x solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
The seizure of Tallinn by Soviet forces. My understanding is that<br>
German forces already abandoned the city a couple days before, the<br>
pre-war government attempted to re-assert sovereignty, but Soviet<br>
forces quickly crushed that attempt.<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Piotr Konieczny&lt;piokon@post.pl&gt; wrote=
:<br>
&gt; Digwuren wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 04:42, Martin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martint=
20@gmail.com">martint20@gmail.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:martint20@gmail.com">martint20@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =A0 =A0 Nice work guys. This article should be nominated for DYK, =
and again<br>
&gt;&gt; =A0 =A0 for &quot;On this day...&quot; for the 75th anniversary of=
 the parade on<br>
&gt;&gt; =A0 =A0 September 22.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; So THAT is why other, more &quot;glorious&quot; events of the War =
that happened on<br>
&gt;&gt; September 22 are so important to the Cartel!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Huh? What other events? Diffs?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Piotr Konieczny<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &quot;The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, n=
ot in<br>
&gt; theory.&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
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