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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:41:59 -0500
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Hmm, reading some of that discussion I think some of us might disagree on
what the appropriate term is. But regardless I agree with Piotrus that it
isn't going to be possible to change expulsion to repatriation in the German
case and so for consistency and NPOV it should be the same in the case of
Kresy.

Radek


2009/7/9 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>

> It's actually correct though that both were population transfers from
> the point of view of international law.
> The Germans however were more successfull then Poles to present their
> POV to Western opinion...
>
> 2009/7/9 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>:
> > Seems like a new controversy is starting:
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polish_Population_transfers_(1944%E2%80%931946)&action=history<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polish_Population_transfers_%281944%E2%80%931946%29&action=history>
> >
> > See also
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Poles
> > and its talk page where the matter was discussed and
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles
> > (just created the disambig)
> >
> > As I see it, there are two big arguments here:
> > * the naming of post-WWII population transfer should be the same, for
> > consistency and NPOV
> > * the naming should correspond with academic usage
> > My past research into this, unfortunately, shows that the two above are
> > in this case contradicting one another :(
> >
> > Strategically, it will be easier to move (rename) the Polish topic than
> > the German, even through the "X population transfers" may be the best
> > (most neutral) option.
> >
> > --
> > Piotr Konieczny
> >
> > "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
> > theory."
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Hmm, reading some of that discussion I think some of us might disagree on w=
hat the appropriate term is. But regardless I agree with Piotrus that it is=
n&#39;t going to be possible to change expulsion to repatriation in the Ger=
man case and so for consistency and NPOV it should be the same in the case =
of Kresy.<br>
<br>Radek<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/7/9 Molobo Molobo <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.com</a=
>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px=
 solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
It&#39;s actually correct though that both were population transfers from<b=
r>
the point of view of international law.<br>
The Germans however were more successfull then Poles to present their<br>
POV to Western opinion...<br>
<br>
2009/7/9 Piotr Konieczny &lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;:<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">&gt; Seems like a new controversy is star=
ting:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DPolish_Populati=
on_transfers_%281944%E2%80%931946%29&amp;action=3Dhistory" target=3D"_blank=
">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DPolish_Population_transfers_(=
1944%E2%80%931946)&amp;action=3Dhistory</a><br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; See also<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Poles" target=
=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Poles</a><br>
&gt; and its talk page where the matter was discussed and<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles" target=3D"=
_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles</a><br>
&gt; (just created the disambig)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; As I see it, there are two big arguments here:<br>
&gt; * the naming of post-WWII population transfer should be the same, for<=
br>
&gt; consistency and NPOV<br>
&gt; * the naming should correspond with academic usage<br>
&gt; My past research into this, unfortunately, shows that the two above ar=
e<br>
&gt; in this case contradicting one another :(<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Strategically, it will be easier to move (rename) the Polish topic tha=
n<br>
&gt; the German, even through the &quot;X population transfers&quot; may be=
 the best<br>
&gt; (most neutral) option.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Piotr Konieczny<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &quot;The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, n=
ot in<br>
&gt; theory.&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; Wikipedia statistics discussion list<br>
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