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	trying > all the usual methods but doesn't have them down quite as
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 22:20, <PetersJV@aol.com> wrote:

>  As most of you know, my spare time mostly goes to looking after my mom at
> least until we can make better arrangements. That said, Russavia is trying
> all the usual methods but doesn't have them down quite as polished as
> another editor we know. I expect I'll continue to be busy on Putinism and a
> few other places for a while as best as I can. (I feel a revert coming on
> for his reinsertion of the Conspiracy theories tag for the "Allegations of
> state terrorism by Russia" article.)
>

Russavia's apparent counterattack is [[ESStonia]].  What, if anything, shall
we do about it?

A. One approach would be to frame it as an example of modern propaganda.
 There is no shortage of sources for that.

B. Another would be to do an AFD based on non-notability.  It's a trickier
proposition, with hard-to-analyse ramifications.

There are surely other interesting approaches.

C. Finally, we could ignore it, at least for a while.  Most likely, it will
force him to escalate, which might be useful.

The trouble is, most of these approaches are mutually incompatible; for
example, ignoring won't work if somebody will do an AFD.  Therefore, we
should discuss what to do privately *before* any actions, and then follow a
unified plan.

I tend to favour ignoring for now, and going for option A if ignoring should
fail.  It seems to me that the benefit/risk ratio of that strategy is the
best, as careless escalation by Russavia is likely to lead him, not anybody
else, into trouble.  However, I'm far from certain of that, and certainly
open for other suggestions.

-- 
Andres Soolo

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 22:20,  <span dir=3D"ltr=
">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:PetersJV@aol.com">PetersJV@aol.com</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">




<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:#000000;font-family:Arial"><font face=3D=
"Arial" color=3D"#000000" size=3D"2">
<div>As most of you know, my spare time mostly goes to looking after my mom=
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least until we can make better arrangements. That said, Russavia is trying =
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the usual methods but doesn&#39;t have them down quite as polished as anoth=
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we know. I expect I&#39;ll continue to be busy on Putinism and a few other =
places=20
for a while as best as I can. (I feel a revert coming on for his reinsertio=
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the Conspiracy theories tag for the &quot;Allegations of state terrorism by=
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article.)</div></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Russavia&#39;s=
 apparent counterattack is [[ESStonia]]. &nbsp;What, if anything, shall we =
do about it?</div><div><br></div><div>A. One approach would be to frame it =
as an example of modern propaganda. &nbsp;There is no shortage of sources f=
or that.</div>
<div><br></div><div>B. Another would be to do an AFD based on non-notabilit=
y. &nbsp;It&#39;s a trickier proposition, with hard-to-analyse ramification=
s.</div><div><br></div><div>There are surely other interesting approaches.<=
br>
</div><div><br></div><div>C. Finally, we could ignore it, at least for a wh=
ile. &nbsp;Most likely, it will force him to escalate, which might be usefu=
l.</div><div><br></div><div>The trouble is, most of these approaches are mu=
tually incompatible; for example, ignoring won&#39;t work if somebody will =
do an AFD. &nbsp;Therefore, we should discuss what to do privately *before*=
 any actions, and then follow a unified plan.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I tend to favour ignoring for now, and going for option=
 A if ignoring should fail. &nbsp;It seems to me that the benefit/risk rati=
o of that strategy is the best, as careless escalation by Russavia is likel=
y to lead him, not anybody else, into trouble. &nbsp;However, I&#39;m far f=
rom certain of that, and certainly open for other suggestions.</div>
<div><br></div></div>-- <br>Andres Soolo<br>

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