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	For instance, among the Romanian editors have been *Me (Biruitorul)*Dc76
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	positions, though. (One exception was when I objected to the rather
	absurd descriptor "Moldovan-Romanian", preferring something more natural
	like "Moldovan living in Romania".) And he and I are very close
	wiki-allies, despite him being a socialist and I a conservative. Dorin
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	more ideologically aligned than either of us is with Dahn. Also
	interesting is the fact that Dahn only reads, but doesn't send, e-mail -
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	Bogdan-PiteÅŸti are lavished with attention. Among Hungarian editors,
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	(admin)*Olahus*Dpotop*MariusM*Bonaparte*Anonimu. Dahn is the most
	prolific Romanian editor, but he's only very loosely affiliated with
	what I'd call a cabal.Â Bogdangiusca, Ronline and I typically take his
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	absurd descriptor "Moldovan-Romanian", preferring something more natural
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	wiki-allies, despite him being a socialist and I a conservative. Dorin
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	interesting is the fact that Dahn only reads, but doesn't send, e-mail -
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	provider), but whatever. Anonimu actually had an interesting
	relationship with Dahn: the latter never forcefully objected to him, and
	during Anonimu's RfC, ANIs, and finally ArbCom, Dahn said barely a word.
	Regardless, if you want to do well on editing Romanian topics, you need
	to be somewhat on Dahn's side; otherwise, as editors like Icar found
	out, you may be banned. Dorin and I are both a little weary of Dahn's
	focus on Jews and Gypsies, but such is life. By that I mean, it seems
	his entire judgment of a man is dependent on how he saw the Jews: for
	instance, the great Archbishop NicolaeÂ BÄƒlan is dismissed as an
	anti-Semite, as is the beloved poetÂ Vasile Alecsandri, while obscure
	figures who held more positive ideas about Jews such asÂ Alexandru
	Bogdan-PiteÅŸti are lavished with attention. Among Hungarian editors,
	one can recallÂ K. Lastochka,Â Alensha,Â Hobartimus, Istvan, Zello,
	KIDB, KissL, Koppany and Squash Racket. It seems they too are rather
	loosely organised. But they may be more so on the Slovak front - it
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Cabals can be tight, but they can also often be loose. For instance, among =
the Romanian editors have been
*Me (Biruitorul)*Dc76 (Dorin)*Dahn*Ronline (admin)*Bogdangiusca (admin)*Ola=
hus*Dpotop*MariusM*Bonaparte*Anonimu.
Dahn is the most prolific Romanian editor, but he's only very loosely affil=
iated with what I'd call a cabal.=C2=A0Bogdangiusca, Ronline and I typicall=
y take his positions, though. (One exception was when I objected to the rat=
her absurd descriptor "Moldovan-Romanian", preferring something more natura=
l like "Moldovan living in Romania".) And he and I are very close wiki-alli=
es, despite him being a socialist and I a conservative. Dorin also gets alo=
ng relatively well with him, although Dorin and I are much more ideological=
ly aligned than either of us is with Dahn. Also interesting is the fact tha=
t Dahn only reads, but doesn't send, e-mail - says "my computer can only re=
ad e-mail", which is a laughable excuse (as if Romania has just one compute=
r, or he can't subscribe to another provider), but whatever.
Anonimu actually had an interesting relationship with Dahn: the latter neve=
r forcefully objected to him, and during Anonimu's RfC, ANIs, and finally A=
rbCom, Dahn said barely a word. Regardless, if you want to do well on editi=
ng Romanian topics, you need to be somewhat on Dahn's side; otherwise, as e=
ditors like Icar found out, you may be banned. Dorin and I are both a littl=
e weary of Dahn's focus on Jews and Gypsies, but such is life. By that I me=
an, it seems his entire judgment of a man is dependent on how he saw the Je=
ws: for instance, the great Archbishop Nicolae=C2=A0B=C4=83lan is dismissed=
 as an anti-Semite, as is the beloved poet=C2=A0Vasile Alecsandri, while ob=
scure figures who held more positive ideas about Jews such as=C2=A0Alexandr=
u Bogdan-Pite=C5=9Fti are lavished with attention.
Among Hungarian editors, one can recall=C2=A0K. Lastochka,=C2=A0Alensha,=C2=
=A0Hobartimus, Istvan, Zello, KIDB, KissL, Koppany and Squash Racket. It se=
ems they too are rather loosely organised. But they may be more so on the S=
lovak front - it seems Hungarians have far more confrontations with Slovaks=
 than with Romanians. Although Squash Racket recently made the rather absur=
d claim that Hungarians found Transylvania empty when they settled there an=
d "allowed" Romanians in to settle(!)
The Bulgarians have TodorBozhinov, Jingiby, Laveol and a few others.=C2=A0T=
odorBozhinov is quite prolific and also not that cabal-ish, except=C2=A0whe=
n it comes to Macedonia/FYROM. There, Bulgarian editors vigorously fight Ma=
cedonian ones. I've never seen a single serious Macedonian editor - theirs =
is a fake country with a fake history, so naturally they have an inferiorit=
y complex vis-=C3=A0-vis Bulgaria, Serbia and Greece.
Speaking of Greece, the Greeks have (as they've freely admitted to me) a ti=
ghtly-organised cabal (admin Yannismarou, NikoSilver, Cplakidas, Tasoskessa=
ris, Kekrops, etc). They occasionally fight Turks (a looser cabal) but more=
 often Macedonians. I also have a vague impression that Armenians and Azerb=
aijanis have cabals to fight each other, but I'm not sure. Also Georgians, =
led by Kober - and given the situation with Georgia, I reiterate my call to=
 invite Kober here.
By the way, what's going on with editing Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan=
, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan? Those were always the quietest parts of the =
USSR, and have tended to remain close to Russia, but it seems they should g=
et more coverage. KazakhPol was prolific, but sadly left us. The Tajik Civi=
l War lasted 5 years and killed up to 100,000, but we have just 11 paragrap=
hs on it. By contrast, the Russia-Georgia war, which lasted under two weeks=
 and left a couple hundred dead, gets ~100 paragraphs, plus well over a doz=
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Cabals can be tight, but they can also often =
be loose. For instance, among the Romanian editors have been<div><br></div>=
<div>*Me (Biruitorul)</div><div>*Dc76 (Dorin)</div><div>*Dahn</div><div>*Ro=
nline (admin)</div><div>*Bogdangiusca (admin)</div><div>*Olahus</div><div>*=
Dpotop</div><div>*MariusM</div><div>*Bonaparte</div><div>*Anonimu.</div><di=
v><br></div><div>Dahn is the most prolific Romanian editor, but he's only v=
ery loosely affiliated with what I'd call a cabal.=C2=A0Bogdangiusca, Ronli=
ne and I typically take his positions, though. (One exception was when I ob=
jected to the rather absurd descriptor "Moldovan-Romanian", preferring some=
thing more natural like "Moldovan living in Romania".) And he and I are ver=
y close wiki-allies, despite him being a socialist and I a conservative. Do=
rin also gets along relatively well with him, although Dorin and I are much=
 more
 ideologically aligned than either of us is with Dahn. Also interesting is =
the fact that Dahn only reads, but doesn't send, e-mail - says "my computer=
 can only read e-mail", which is a laughable excuse (as if Romania has just=
 one computer, or he can't subscribe to another provider), but whatever.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Anonimu actually had an interesting relationship wit=
h Dahn: the latter never forcefully objected to him, and during Anonimu's R=
fC, ANIs, and finally ArbCom, Dahn said barely a word. Regardless, if you w=
ant to do well on editing Romanian topics, you need to be somewhat on Dahn'=
s side; otherwise, as editors like Icar found out, you may be banned. Dorin=
 and I are both a little weary of Dahn's focus on Jews and Gypsies, but suc=
h is life. By that I mean, it seems his entire judgment of a man is depende=
nt on how he saw the Jews: for instance, the great Archbishop Nicolae=C2=A0=
B=C4=83lan is dismissed as an anti-Semite, as is the beloved poet=C2=A0Vasi=
le
 Alecsandri, while obscure figures who held more positive ideas about Jews =
such as=C2=A0Alexandru Bogdan-Pite=C5=9Fti are lavished with attention.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Among Hungarian editors, one can recall=C2=A0K. Lasto=
chka,=C2=A0Alensha,=C2=A0Hobartimus, Istvan, Zello, KIDB, KissL, Koppany an=
d Squash Racket. It seems they too are rather loosely organised. But they m=
ay be more so on the Slovak front - it seems Hungarians have far more confr=
ontations with Slovaks than with Romanians. Although Squash Racket recently=
 made the rather absurd claim that Hungarians found Transylvania empty when=
 they settled there and "allowed" Romanians in to settle(!)</div><div><br><=
/div><div>The Bulgarians have TodorBozhinov, Jingiby, Laveol and a few othe=
rs.=C2=A0TodorBozhinov is quite prolific and also not that cabal-ish, <span=
 class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-style: italic;">except</span>=C2=
=A0when it comes to Macedonia/FYROM. There, Bulgarian editors vigorously fi=
ght Macedonian ones. I've
 never seen a single serious Macedonian editor - theirs is a fake country w=
ith a fake history, so naturally they have an inferiority complex vis-=C3=
=A0-vis Bulgaria, Serbia and Greece.</div><div><br></div><div>Speaking of G=
reece, the Greeks have (as they've freely admitted to me) a tightly-organis=
ed cabal (admin Yannismarou, NikoSilver, Cplakidas, Tasoskessaris, Kekrops,=
 etc). They occasionally fight Turks (a looser cabal) but more often Macedo=
nians. I also have a vague impression that Armenians and Azerbaijanis have =
cabals to fight each other, but I'm not sure. Also Georgians, led by Kober =
- and given the situation with Georgia, I reiterate my call to invite Kober=
 here.</div><div><br></div><div>By the way, what's going on with editing Ka=
zakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan? Those were a=
lways the quietest parts of the USSR, and have tended to remain close to Ru=
ssia, but it seems they should get more coverage. KazakhPol was prolific,
 but sadly left us. The Tajik Civil War lasted 5 years and killed up to 100=
,000, but we have just 11 paragraphs on it. By contrast, the Russia-Georgia=
 war, which lasted under two weeks and left a couple hundred dead, gets ~10=
0 paragraphs, plus well over a dozen sub-articles. Interesting.</div></td><=
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