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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:02:07 +1100
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	Content preview:  2009/3/27 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>: > On Fri, Mar
	27, 2009 at 06:05, Martin <martint20@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I found a
	website for one association, seems pro-Soviet: >> The Patriotic Club
	”Witez” http://www.witez.pila.pl/ > > No doubt about that. > There are
	organisations throughout the world who care about victims and > soldiers
	of wars, and take care of war graves. For example, in Estonia, > there's
	a society that tries to make sure that graves of soldies of all > sides
	in WWII are properly marked. (Interestingly, as you might know, > Russia
	has been in no hurry to enter into a war grave protection treaty with >
	Estonia -- that was one of the motivations in passing the War Grave >
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	> soldiers' graves without bronze statues on them in Estonia, until the
	> Ministry of Defence became authorised to maintain them. I believe the
	> society still plays an active rôle, but is now partially funded by the
	MoD.) > Witez is clearly not such an organisation. It only cares about
	Soviet > graves, and makes a clear effort towards Soviet glorification.
	> Piotrus: you've got the best experience of us in the area of writing >
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	Content preview:  2009/3/27 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>: > On Fri, Mar
	27, 2009 at 06:05, Martin <martint20@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I found a
	website for one association, seems pro-Soviet: >> The Patriotic Club
	”Witez” http://www.witez.pila.pl/ > > No doubt about that. > There are
	organisations throughout the world who care about victims and > soldiers
	of wars, and take care of war graves. For example, in Estonia, > there's
	a society that tries to make sure that graves of soldies of all > sides
	in WWII are properly marked. (Interestingly, as you might know, > Russia
	has been in no hurry to enter into a war grave protection treaty with >
	Estonia -- that was one of the motivations in passing the War Grave >
	Protection Act -- so such organisations were main caretakers of Russian
	> soldiers' graves without bronze statues on them in Estonia, until the
	> Ministry of Defence became authorised to maintain them. I believe the
	> society still plays an active rôle, but is now partially funded by the
	MoD.) > Witez is clearly not such an organisation. It only cares about
	Soviet > graves, and makes a clear effort towards Soviet glorification.
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2009/3/27 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>:
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 06:05, Martin <martint20@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I found a website for one association, seems pro-Soviet:
>> The Patriotic Club =94Witez=94 =A0http://www.witez.pila.pl/
>
> No doubt about that.
> There are organisations throughout the world who care about victims and
> soldiers of wars, and take care of war graves. =A0For example, in Estonia,
> there's a society that tries to make sure that graves of soldies of all
> sides in WWII are properly marked. =A0(Interestingly, as you might know,
> Russia has been in no hurry to enter into a war grave protection treaty w=
ith
> Estonia -- that was one of the motivations in passing the War Grave
> Protection Act -- so such organisations were main caretakers of Russian
> soldiers' graves without bronze statues on them in Estonia, until the
> Ministry of Defence became authorised to maintain them. =A0I believe the
> society still plays an active r=F4le, but is now partially funded by the =
MoD.)
> Witez is clearly not such an organisation. =A0It only cares about Soviet
> graves, and makes a clear effort towards Soviet glorification.
> Piotrus:=A0you've got the best experience of us in the area of writing
> reputable Wikipedia articles, and the best command of Polish language. =
=A0How
> would you treat Witez?

I agree that there are legitimate organisations for the maintenance of
war graves, and I have the highest respect for the sacrifices made by
these soldiers and they should be respected. It seems to me however,
that some of these organisations attempt to exploit this deeply
emotional issue for many people to further their own political agenda.
The Bronze soldier issue is a classic case in point, with Backman
attempting to exploit this with his "anti-fascist committee". I think
this kind of exploitation is really disrespectful to the memory of
these soldiers they claim to be protecting.

Martin

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