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After second thought, may be do not tell her about my bias, because she
might ban me from any KGB-related subjects.

1RR  should be per article per day.

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:05 PM, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing to keep in mind is that at least for now an all around 1RR
> restriction is favorable to us, especially if some of us manage to
> slip past the radar, because of numbers. Of course it will also mean
> that edits will have to be made more carefully so as not to stir up
> this much trouble in the future.
>
> Radek
>
>
> 2009/6/22 Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>:
> > Piotr,
> >
> > I suggest the following.
> >
> > 1.She should pay more attention to certain users who have most recently
> been
> > sanctioned per the official list of blocks and bans in the Digwuren case
> > (especially serious violations like harassment and sockpuppetry).
> >
> > This brings up front LokiiT and Russavia
> >
> > LokiiT was really terrible operating as multiple socks:
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/LokiiT)
> >
> >
> > 2. Note user Igny who was recently placed on a formal notice by Tiptoety.
> >
> > 3. Note Vlad_fedorov (she left him a note) - he was cought in
> sockpuppetry
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Vlad_fedorov
> >
> > as "la Poet" who exposed my identity in real life to ellol (investigated
> > anyway) here:
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ellol&diff=prev&oldid=184466502
> >
> > give her this link, she can verify who i am from threads deleted at my
> talk
> > page by Moreschi
> >
> > 4. You can tell her about a long-term animosity between me and organized
> > group(s) of Russian users you observed in arbitration cases, and
> > particularly ellol:
> >
> > "That was a coded death treat from ellol according to Biophys":
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Boris_Stomakhin/Evidence#Threats_by_User:ellol
> >
> > and you can simply direct her here:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Biophys&oldid=280461446
> >
> > telling, "yes, this is certainly a biased user, and that's his bias"
> >
> >
> > Andrei
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> 2009/6/22 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
> >>>
> >>> Shelly wrote to me: "I'm planning on looking at Offliner, Biophys,
> >>> Digwuren, PasswordUsername, Russavia, Martintg and Ellol. Is there
> >>> anyone else you think should be added in?" That includes banned editors
> >>> who will come back (not permbanned).
> >>>
> >>> We are discussing 1rr instead of content bans. "Do you think putting
> the
> >>> lot of them on 1RR would fix the problem?  Would you suggest one
> >>> revert per article per week in anything Russian/Estonian related?"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Piotr Konieczny
> >>>
> >>> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
> >>> theory."
> >>>
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After second thought, may be do not tell her about my bias, because she mig=
ht ban me from any KGB-related subjects.<br><br>1RR=A0 should be per articl=
e per day. <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:05 =
PM, radek szulga <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com=
">rsszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">One thing to keep=
 in mind is that at least for now an all around 1RR<br>
restriction is favorable to us, especially if some of us manage to<br>
slip past the radar, because of numbers. Of course it will also mean<br>
that edits will have to be made more carefully so as not to stir up<br>
this much trouble in the future.<br>
<br>
Radek<br>
<br>
<br>
2009/6/22 Andrei Dombay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail.com">wikibi=
ophys@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">&gt; Piotr,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I suggest the following.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 1.She should pay more attention to certain users who have most recentl=
y been<br>
&gt; sanctioned per the official list of blocks and bans in the Digwuren ca=
se<br>
&gt; (especially serious violations like harassment and sockpuppetry).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This brings up front LokiiT and Russavia<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; LokiiT was really terrible operating as multiple socks:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkus=
er/Case/LokiiT" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Re=
quests_for_checkuser/Case/LokiiT</a> )<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2. Note user Igny who was recently placed on a formal notice by Tiptoe=
ty.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 3. Note Vlad_fedorov (she left him a note) - he was cought in sockpupp=
etry<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkus=
er/Case/Vlad_fedorov" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipe=
dia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Vlad_fedorov</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; as &quot;la Poet&quot; who exposed my identity in real life to ellol (=
investigated<br>
&gt; anyway) here:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Ellol=
&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D184466502" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikiped=
ia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Ellol&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D1844=
66502</a><br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; give her this link, she can verify who i am from threads deleted at my=
 talk<br>
&gt; page by Moreschi<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 4. You can tell her about a long-term animosity between me and organiz=
ed<br>
&gt; group(s) of Russian users you observed in arbitration cases, and<br>
&gt; particularly ellol:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &quot;That was a coded death treat from ellol according to Biophys&quo=
t;:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitra=
tion/Boris_Stomakhin/Evidence#Threats_by_User:ellol" target=3D"_blank">http=
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Boris_Stomakhin=
/Evidence#Threats_by_User:ellol</a><br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; and you can simply direct her here:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser:Biophys&am=
p;oldid=3D280461446" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?=
title=3DUser:Biophys&amp;oldid=3D280461446</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; telling, &quot;yes, this is certainly a biased user, and that&#39;s hi=
s bias&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Andrei<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; 2009/6/22 Piotr Konieczny &lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Shelly wrote to me: &quot;I&#39;m planning on looking at Offli=
ner, Biophys,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Digwuren, PasswordUsername, Russavia, Martintg and Ellol. Is t=
here<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; anyone else you think should be added in?&quot; That includes =
banned editors<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; who will come back (not permbanned).<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; We are discussing 1rr instead of content bans. &quot;Do you th=
ink putting the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; lot of them on 1RR would fix the problem? =A0Would you suggest=
 one<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; revert per article per week in anything Russian/Estonian relat=
ed?&quot;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Piotr Konieczny<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in re=
ality, not in<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; theory.&quot;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
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