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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:46:28 -0500
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From: radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
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	we've gotten some troublesome editors block for
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	it does matter. I will email Robert though and ask him if he's willing
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I dunno, we've gotten some troublesome editors block for civility rather
than edit warring - Matthead, Smith2006 etc. So I think it does matter.
I will email Robert though and ask him if he's willing to tone it down. I am
still trying to keep a low profile until the appeal is filed though so I'm
not going to make any public pronouncements (this is also why I really need
to get this over with, one way or another - I feel like I'm walking on egg
shells with every edit)

Radek


2009/7/2 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>

> radek szulga wrote:
> > I know, which is why I co-nominated him for the Lublin Ghetto DYK (I
> > asked him if he wanted it first since I wasnt sure if he wanted
> > attention brought to himself).
> > But I dunno, these days incivility is seen as like the worst thing ever
> > on Wikipedia, right behind running sock accounts to circumvent bans
> > (this one's legit in my view) so I think he doesn't have a chance in
> > hell off getting parole and even if he does his personality is just such
> > that he'll soon violate it again.
> > Sometimes it's about knowing how to pick your battles.
>
> Uh, my experience on Wiki has been that nobody cares about civility,
> unless the violations are gross/repeated/targeted at people with a lot
> wikiclout. Yes, Hanzo's cursing is pretty gross, but by itself it
> shouldn't be a major argument, particularly if he promises to watch his
> language.
>
> It is interesting that nobody has commented on the AN thread in two
> days. Do post a support or two, if for some bizarre reason this expires
> to archive that way, I will be able to unblock him and cite "consensus
> on AN" :D That said, I will not unblock him until he starts talking to
> me / us in a reasonable way - my altruism and sticking up for the small
> guy goes only so far.
>
> So if you guys could post on his talk and encourage him to be civil and
> constructive, this would help a lot.
>
> --
> Piotr Konieczny
>
> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
> theory."
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I dunno, we&#39;ve gotten some troublesome editors block for civility rathe=
r than edit warring - Matthead, Smith2006 etc. So I think it does matter.<b=
r>I will email Robert though and ask him if he&#39;s willing to tone it dow=
n. I am still trying to keep a low profile until the appeal is filed though=
 so I&#39;m not going to make any public pronouncements (this is also why I=
 really need to get this over with, one way or another - I feel like I&#39;=
m walking on egg shells with every edit)<br>
<br>Radek<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/7/2 Piotr Konieczny <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt=
 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">radek szulga wrote:<br>
&gt; I know, which is why I co-nominated him for the Lublin Ghetto DYK (I<b=
r>
&gt; asked him if he wanted it first since I wasnt sure if he wanted<br>
&gt; attention brought to himself).<br>
&gt; But I dunno, these days incivility is seen as like the worst thing eve=
r<br>
&gt; on Wikipedia, right behind running sock accounts to circumvent bans<br=
>
&gt; (this one&#39;s legit in my view) so I think he doesn&#39;t have a cha=
nce in<br>
&gt; hell off getting parole and even if he does his personality is just su=
ch<br>
&gt; that he&#39;ll soon violate it again.<br>
&gt; Sometimes it&#39;s about knowing how to pick your battles.<br>
<br>
</div>Uh, my experience on Wiki has been that nobody cares about civility,<=
br>
unless the violations are gross/repeated/targeted at people with a lot<br>
wikiclout. Yes, Hanzo&#39;s cursing is pretty gross, but by itself it<br>
shouldn&#39;t be a major argument, particularly if he promises to watch his=
<br>
language.<br>
<br>
It is interesting that nobody has commented on the AN thread in two<br>
days. Do post a support or two, if for some bizarre reason this expires<br>
to archive that way, I will be able to unblock him and cite &quot;consensus=
<br>
on AN&quot; :D That said, I will not unblock him until he starts talking to=
<br>
me / us in a reasonable way - my altruism and sticking up for the small<br>
guy goes only so far.<br>
<br>
So if you guys could post on his talk and encourage him to be civil and<br>
constructive, this would help a lot.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">Piotr Konieczny<br>
<br>
&quot;The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in=
<br>
theory.&quot;<br>
<br>
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