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2009/6/10 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>

> 2009/6/10 Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>
>
>> Come on, 95% of the European officials are euro-utopists and often loose
>>> connection with reality.
>>>
>>
> True.  That's where the European bureaucrats (or Eurocrats) come into play.
>  One of the reasons why there has to be so many of them is to make sure that
> silly projects can not be carried through too fast.
>

:)


>
>
>> As for military integration, why would you want to build something to
>>> replace NATO unless you are anti-NATO?
>>>
>>
> It depends on the applicable military doctrine.  In general, heterogeneous
> structures are less vulnerable to systemic troubles, but costlier to
> maintain.  It might be claimed that having a para-NATO makes EU stronger.
>  But then again, NATO is itself organised in a rather heterogeneous manner,
> so in the current political climate, I don't think it's necessary.  In
> particular, it probably is not worth the cost.
>

If we are going to double our efforts and run self-concurrent organizations,
there can be no doubt that the enemies of the free world would prosper. I am
open to the alternative of something else than an aggressive NATO after the
world is free of dictatorships. Until that my opinion about the common
defense policy is "do you need help to shove it up you a** ?"


>
> During the communist regime, Vadim ran a pamphlet magazine famous for
>>> attacking dissidents. Becali is half-literate. What "constructive" you
>>> expect from them? During the famous December 2006 Basescu's speech in the
>>> Romanian Parliament with the report of the presidential commission
>>> condamning communism, Vadim ran an ugly circus, interrupting it 20 times.
>>>
>>
> Ah.  That sort of circus.
>

Seeing that circus on TV (Vadim was obviously angry with having his
securitate friends so exposed), some people even started to pray for
Basescu, and his image after that sky-rocketed. Although his critics try to
understate the importance of that moment, it was his critical moment, the
moment: with that he won over a crowd that no other former communist party
member (Basescu was an ordinary party member) could have ever won, to the
disbelief of people from other parties. But of course, his attempts started
earlier. During the 2004 presidential campaign, before the runoff, there was
a TV debate with his social-democratic counter-candidate, and Basescu said
"I don't know what see has this nation done that she has to choose between
two communists." That was sort of a warm up addressed to a more moralistic
crowd. Interestingly, his former party (PDL) cannot reply on that crowd,
they actually have to earn it every time.

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/6/10 Digwuren <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">2009/6/10 Dorin Cheptea <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dorin.cheptea@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">dorin.cheptea@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex">

<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div>Come on, 95% of the European officials are euro-=
utopists and often loose connection with reality.</div>

</div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>True.=
 =A0That&#39;s where the European bureaucrats (or Eurocrats) come into play=
. =A0One of the reasons why there has to be so many of them is to make sure=
 that silly projects can not be carried through too fast.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>:)</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div></div><div class=3D"im">
<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div>As for military integration, why would=
 you want to build something to replace NATO unless you are anti-NATO?</div=
></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div>
<div>It depends on the applicable military doctrine. =A0In general, heterog=
eneous structures are less vulnerable to systemic troubles, but costlier to=
 maintain. =A0It might be claimed that having a para-NATO makes EU stronger=
. =A0But then again, NATO is itself organised in a rather heterogeneous man=
ner, so in the current political climate, I don&#39;t think it&#39;s necess=
ary. =A0In particular, it probably is not worth the cost.</div>
<div class=3D"im">
<div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If we are going to =
double our efforts and run self-concurrent organizations, there can be no d=
oubt that the enemies of the free world would prosper. I am open to the alt=
ernative of something else than an aggressive NATO after the world is free =
of dictatorships. Until that my opinion about the common defense policy is =
&quot;do you need help to shove it up you a** ?&quot;</div>
<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv class=3D"im"><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div>During the communist regime, Vadim ran=
 a pamphlet magazine famous for attacking dissidents. Becali is half-litera=
te. What &quot;constructive&quot; you expect from them? During the famous D=
ecember 2006 Basescu&#39;s speech in the Romanian Parliament with the repor=
t of the presidential commission condamning communism, Vadim ran an ugly ci=
rcus, interrupting it 20 times.</div>

</div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div=
>Ah. =A0That sort of circus.</div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" col=
or=3D"#888888"></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Seeing t=
hat circus on TV (Vadim was obviously angry with having his securitate frie=
nds so exposed), some people even started to pray for Basescu, and his imag=
e after that sky-rocketed. Although his critics try to understate the impor=
tance of that moment, it was his critical moment, the moment: with that he =
won over a crowd that no other former communist party member (Basescu was a=
n ordinary party member) could have ever won, to the disbelief of people fr=
om other parties. But of course, his attempts started earlier. During the 2=
004 presidential campaign, before the runoff, there was a TV debate with hi=
s social-democratic counter-candidate, and Basescu said &quot;I don&#39;t k=
now what see has this nation done that she has to choose between two commun=
ists.&quot; That was sort of a warm up addressed to a more moralistic crowd=
. Interestingly, his former party (PDL) cannot reply on that crowd, they ac=
tually have to earn it every time.</div>
</div><br>

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