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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:16:01 +0200
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From: Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
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	Content preview: Also I see that the Expulsion's article still contains
	false information about Generalplan Ost: During the war, Nazi Germany
	had planned to colonize eastern Europe and expel some forty million
	people in the extermination scheme known as [[Generalplan Ost]]. In the
	event, the Nazis expelled a far smaller number of people in the East
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	Content preview:  Also I see that the Expulsion's article still contains
	false information about Generalplan Ost: During the war, Nazi Germany
	had planned to colonize eastern Europe and expel some forty million
	people in the extermination scheme known as [[Generalplan Ost]]. In the
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Also I see that the Expulsion's article still contains false
information about Generalplan Ost:


During the war, Nazi Germany had planned to colonize eastern Europe
and expel some forty million people in the extermination scheme known
as [[Generalplan Ost]]. In the event, the Nazis expelled a far smaller
number of people in the East

Propose change to:

During the war, Nazi Germany had planned to completely Germanize
Central and Eastern Europe and eliminate some fifty million people in
the extermination scheme known as [[Generalplan Ost]]. In the event,
Germany managed to murder and expell ar smaller number of people
before its defeat at the hands of the allies.


As to terming of Expulsions as genocide and ethnic cleansing-that is a
fringe and non-majority view, and should not be in the lead.


2009/8/30 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>:
> Can you point me to the exact link ? I hate those cover up edits that
> are made in a way that makes changes non-visible after moving the
> structure.
>
> For polish war losses see this article here:
>
> http://www.rp.pl/artykul/2,316062_Mit_szesciu_milionow_.html
>
> Which gives arguments for both lower and higher then 6 milion figures.
>
> As to the Expulsions article-obvious solution is to remove mention
> about Polish war dead estimates by Haar since information about his
> particular study of Polish war dead is not relevant to the article.
>
> 2009/8/30 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>:
>> Molobo, can you take a look at the Haar source Skapperod is using here
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DExpulsion_of_Germans_after_W=
orld_War_II&diff=3Dcur&oldid=3D310789569
>> Hes both trying to use it to make Haar sound less credible in the expuls=
ions
>> article and also to put in lower estimates for Polish war deaths in Hist=
ory
>> of Poland article. Since the source is in German I dont know how credible
>> his claims are.
>>
>> Radek
>> 2009/8/30 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> All my messages are sent through gmail, so everything is backed up.
>>>
>>> 2009/8/28 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>:
>>> > I plan on writing it as soon as I come back from vacation. I'm saving
>>> > all
>>> > the diffs and source links Molobo's providing (though it'd be good if=
 he
>>> > kept track of it too for backup) and will make use of them. Just can't
>>> > do it
>>> > now.
>>> >
>>> > Radek
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2009/8/28 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
>>> >>
>>> >> Molobo Molobo wrote:
>>> >> > I found an excellent source of information on Schieder commission:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Britain, Germany and the Cold War: the search for a European D=E9t=
ente,
>>> >> > 1949-1967
>>> >> >
>>> >> > by R. Gerald Hughes
>>> >> >
>>> >> > page 74
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Writes that Schieder recruited for the commission especialy his
>>> >> > former
>>> >> > Nazi co-workers for the specific purpouse of engaging in propaganda
>>> >> > on
>>> >> > behalf of West-German government.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > http://books.google.com/books?lr=3D&ei=3DtE6WSv23IpqUygSazvXOBw&hl=
=3Dpl&as_brr=3D3&as_drrb_is=3Dq&as_minm_is=3D0&as_miny_is=3D&as_maxm_is=3D0=
&as_maxy_is=3D&id=3DvicYzfDpqoQC&dq=3Dwerner+conze+poles&q=3Dconze#v=3Dsnip=
pet&q=3Dconze&f=3Dfalse
>>> >>
>>> >> Great. Will this article ever be created, or are just wasting our ti=
me
>>> >> as a listerv discussion group? :>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Piotr Konieczny
>>> >>
>>> >> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not =
in
>>> >> theory."
>>> >>
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