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	problem, too. It is more convinient to them to let the problem go on
	forever than to sit down and negociate something like "Northern
	Macedonia" or "Slav Macedonia". The initiative should be on Greek side, 
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	now, it's very unwise, IMHO. In Skopje there isn't some rough regime,
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	Macedonia" or "Slav Macedonia". The initiative should be on Greek side,
	because it is very unnatural for a country to negociate its name (even
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	failure of such negociations, only then they would have the support of
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	now, it's very unwise, IMHO. In Skopje there isn't some rough regime,
	but a democratically elected one, recongnized by the whole world. And
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Sorry, I don't know if I can participate in this, because I think the Greeks
bear the responsibility for part of the problem, too. It is more convinient
to them to let the problem go on forever than to sit down and negociate
something like "Northern Macedonia" or "Slav Macedonia". The initiative
should be on Greek side, because it is very unnatural for a country to
negociate its name (even if ilegitimate) with another country. Greece should
capitalize on the failure of such negociations, only then they would have
the support of the international community. If they capitalize on the
status-quo, as now, it's very unwise, IMHO. In Skopje there isn't some rough
regime, but a democratically elected one, recongnized by the whole world.
And the country occupies an area that is not outside the historic Macedonia.
These 2 facts combined with absence of negociations make Greek position very
vulnarable.

I could vote a "weak oppose" similar to what one editor said:

*Oppose* (for this specific article, based on published standards)
giving Jane's Information Group as example. That is to use FYROM only for
this article. Would that help?

Dorin



2009/4/1 Christian Suciu <christiansuciu@yahoo.com>

>
> Sorry for the off-topic message (again!), but for those of you who have
> philhellenic tendencies, [[Talk:Greece#Oppose]] may be of interest. My Greek
> friends are pressing me to achieve something there, so hopefully some will
> take an interest. Thanks!
>
>
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donia&quot;. The initiative should be on Greek side, because it is very unn=
atural for a country to negociate its name (even if ilegitimate) with anoth=
er country. Greece should capitalize on the failure of such negociations, o=
nly then they would have the support of the international community. If the=
y capitalize on the status-quo, as now, it&#39;s very unwise, IMHO. In Skop=
je there isn&#39;t some rough regime, but a democratically elected one, rec=
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age (again!), but for those of you who have philhellenic tendencies, [[Talk=
:Greece#Oppose]] may be of interest. My Greek friends are pressing me to ac=
hieve something there, so hopefully some will take an interest. Thanks!<br>
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