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	Content preview: Yeah I think some German language sources can clinch
	this 2009/8/5 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> > Heh, Radek the more we
	dig into this the more skeletons in the closet > we find don't you
	think
	? And I mean not just Wiki but also Germany in > general. > > Heinz
	Nawratil classified as working in nationalist works: > > >
	http://books.google.com/books?id=oGmTs2SceAgC&pg=PA27&dq=Heinz+Nawratil&ei=7R56SrrREaO4ywTT4eDEDA&hl=pl#v=onepage&q=Heinz%20Nawratil&f=false
	> > Here you can read his written support for leading revisionist: > >
	http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/10/1/Nawratil118-122.html > > Here
	is
	a book where Nawratil publication is cited(in footnote) as > example of
	revisionist literature > > >
	http://books.google.com/books?id=5J9OtZ-CxtYC&pg=PA4&dq=Nawratil+revisionist&lr=&as_brr=3&ei=cSJ6SqnzCaniyQT81eXMDA&hl=pl#v=onepage&q=Nawratil%20revisionist&f=false
	> > I am looking at German sources which mention his membership in
	extreme > right organization in Germany > > "Burschenschaft Danubia"; >
	> 2009/8/6 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>: > > Ok, all the dirt on
	Heinz Nawratil you've got, to counter Skap's BLP ploy > > [ >
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Heinz_Nawratil
	> ] > > > > I've been digging around for stuff for the Scheider
	commission article > and > > basically need to find a bit more. > > > >
	Radek > > > > > > 2009/8/4 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> > >> > >>
	The fragment is chapter three Remembering the War in Nation of Victims, 
	> >> you can browse it on google books. > >> > >> 2009/8/5 Molobo
	Molobo
	<molobus@gmail.com>: > >> > I remommend "The miracle years" > >> > > >>
	> by Hanna Schissler, > >> > > >> > There in the book is in-depth study
	about the attempts to present > >> > Germans as victims of WW2 after
	the
	war in West Germany, comission and > >> > its members are mentioned.
	Schissler makes great effort to describe > >> > in full how memory of
	German victims was cut off from German discourse > >> > and focus
	centred on painting Germans as innocent victims, including > >> >
	several former Nazis. > >> > > >> > 2009/8/5 Piotr Konieczny [...] 
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	Content preview:  Yeah I think some German language sources can clinch
	this 2009/8/5 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> > Heh, Radek the more we
	dig into this the more skeletons in the closet > we find don't you think
	? And I mean not just Wiki but also Germany in > general. > > Heinz
	Nawratil classified as working in nationalist works: > > >
	http://books.google.com/books?id=oGmTs2SceAgC&pg=PA27&dq=Heinz+Nawratil&ei=7R56SrrREaO4ywTT4eDEDA&hl=pl#v=onepage&q=Heinz%20Nawratil&f=false
	> > Here you can read his written support for leading revisionist: > >
	http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/10/1/Nawratil118-122.html > > Here is
	a book where Nawratil publication is cited(in footnote) as > example of
	revisionist literature > > >
	http://books.google.com/books?id=5J9OtZ-CxtYC&pg=PA4&dq=Nawratil+revisionist&lr=&as_brr=3&ei=cSJ6SqnzCaniyQT81eXMDA&hl=pl#v=onepage&q=Nawratil%20revisionist&f=false
	> > I am looking at German sources which mention his membership in
	extreme > right organization in Germany > > "Burschenschaft Danubia"; >
	> 2009/8/6 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>: > > Ok, all the dirt on
	Heinz Nawratil you've got, to counter Skap's BLP ploy > > [ >
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Heinz_Nawratil
	> ] > > > > I've been digging around for stuff for the Scheider
	commission article > and > > basically need to find a bit more. > > > >
	Radek > > > > > > 2009/8/4 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> > >> > >>
	The fragment is chapter three Remembering the War in Nation of Victims,
	> >> you can browse it on google books. > >> > >> 2009/8/5 Molobo Molobo
	<molobus@gmail.com>: > >> > I remommend "The miracle years" > >> > > >>
	> by Hanna Schissler, > >> > > >> > There in the book is in-depth study
	about the attempts to present > >> > Germans as victims of WW2 after the
	war in West Germany, comission and > >> > its members are mentioned.
	Schissler makes great effort to describe > >> > in full how memory of
	German victims was cut off from German discourse > >> > and focus
	centred on painting Germans as innocent victims, including > >> >
	several former Nazis. > >> > > >> > 2009/8/5 Piotr Konieczny [...] 
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Yeah I think some German language sources can clinch this

2009/8/5 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>

> Heh, Radek the more we dig into this the more skeletons in the closet
> we find don't you think ? And I mean not just Wiki but also Germany in
> general.
>
> Heinz Nawratil classified as working in nationalist works:
>
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=oGmTs2SceAgC&pg=PA27&dq=Heinz+Nawratil&ei=7R56SrrREaO4ywTT4eDEDA&hl=pl#v=onepage&q=Heinz%20Nawratil&f=false
>
> Here you can read his written support for leading revisionist:
>
> http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/10/1/Nawratil118-122.html
>
> Here is a book where Nawratil publication is cited(in footnote) as
> example of revisionist literature
>
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=5J9OtZ-CxtYC&pg=PA4&dq=Nawratil+revisionist&lr=&as_brr=3&ei=cSJ6SqnzCaniyQT81eXMDA&hl=pl#v=onepage&q=Nawratil%20revisionist&f=false
>
> I am looking at German sources which mention his membership in extreme
> right organization in Germany
>
>  "Burschenschaft Danubia";
>
> 2009/8/6 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>:
> > Ok, all the dirt on Heinz Nawratil you've got, to counter Skap's BLP ploy
> > [
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Heinz_Nawratil
> ]
> >
> > I've been digging around for stuff for the Scheider commission article
> and
> > basically need to find a bit more.
> >
> > Radek
> >
> >
> > 2009/8/4 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> The fragment is chapter three Remembering the War in Nation of Victims,
> >> you can browse it on google books.
> >>
> >> 2009/8/5 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>:
> >> > I remommend "The miracle years"
> >> >
> >> > by Hanna Schissler,
> >> >
> >> > There in the book is in-depth study about the attempts to present
> >> > Germans as victims of WW2 after the war in West Germany, comission and
> >> > its members are mentioned.  Schissler makes great effort to describe
> >> > in full how memory of German victims was cut off from German discourse
> >> > and focus centred on painting Germans as innocent victims, including
> >> > several former Nazis.
> >> >
> >> > 2009/8/5 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
> >> >>
> >> >> radek szulga wrote:
> >> >> > Oberlander already has an article. Do you mean the Scheider
> >> >> > commission
> >> >> > article?
> >> >>
> >> >> How's that article coming?
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Piotr Konieczny
> >> >>
> >> >> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not
> in
> >> >> theory."
> >> >>
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Yeah I think some German language sources can clinch this<br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">2009/8/5 Molobo Molobo <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); marg=
in: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Heh, Radek the more we dig into this the more skeletons in the closet<br>
we find don&#39;t you think ? And I mean not just Wiki but also Germany in<=
br>
general.<br>
<br>
Heinz Nawratil classified as working in nationalist works:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://books.google.com/books?id=3DoGmTs2SceAgC&amp;pg=3DPA27&am=
p;dq=3DHeinz+Nawratil&amp;ei=3D7R56SrrREaO4ywTT4eDEDA&amp;hl=3Dpl#v=3Donepa=
ge&amp;q=3DHeinz%20Nawratil&amp;f=3Dfalse" target=3D"_blank">http://books.g=
oogle.com/books?id=3DoGmTs2SceAgC&amp;pg=3DPA27&amp;dq=3DHeinz+Nawratil&amp=
;ei=3D7R56SrrREaO4ywTT4eDEDA&amp;hl=3Dpl#v=3Donepage&amp;q=3DHeinz%20Nawrat=
il&amp;f=3Dfalse</a><br>

<br>
Here you can read his written support for leading revisionist:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/10/1/Nawratil118-122.html" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/10/1/Nawratil118-122.htm=
l</a><br>
<br>
Here is a book where Nawratil publication is cited(in footnote) as<br>
example of revisionist literature<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://books.google.com/books?id=3D5J9OtZ-CxtYC&amp;pg=3DPA4&amp=
;dq=3DNawratil+revisionist&amp;lr=3D&amp;as_brr=3D3&amp;ei=3DcSJ6SqnzCaniyQ=
T81eXMDA&amp;hl=3Dpl#v=3Donepage&amp;q=3DNawratil%20revisionist&amp;f=3Dfal=
se" target=3D"_blank">http://books.google.com/books?id=3D5J9OtZ-CxtYC&amp;p=
g=3DPA4&amp;dq=3DNawratil+revisionist&amp;lr=3D&amp;as_brr=3D3&amp;ei=3DcSJ=
6SqnzCaniyQT81eXMDA&amp;hl=3Dpl#v=3Donepage&amp;q=3DNawratil%20revisionist&=
amp;f=3Dfalse</a><br>

<br>
I am looking at German sources which mention his membership in extreme<br>
right organization in Germany<br>
<br>
=A0&quot;Burschenschaft Danubia&quot;;<br>
<br>
2009/8/6 radek szulga &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com">rsszulga@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">&gt; Ok, all the dirt on Heinz Nawratil y=
ou&#39;ve got, to counter Skap&#39;s BLP ploy<br>
&gt; [<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_livi=
ng_persons/Noticeboard#Heinz_Nawratil" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedi=
a.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Heinz_Nawrat=
il</a>]<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;ve been digging around for stuff for the Scheider commission art=
icle and<br>
&gt; basically need to find a bit more.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Radek<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2009/8/4 Molobo Molobo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobu=
s@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The fragment is chapter three Remembering the War in Nation of Vic=
tims,<br>
&gt;&gt; you can browse it on google books.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; 2009/8/5 Molobo Molobo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">mo=
lobus@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; I remommend &quot;The miracle years&quot;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; by Hanna Schissler,<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; There in the book is in-depth study about the attempts to pre=
sent<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Germans as victims of WW2 after the war in West Germany, comi=
ssion and<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; its members are mentioned. =A0Schissler makes great effort to=
 describe<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; in full how memory of German victims was cut off from German =
discourse<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; and focus centred on painting Germans as innocent victims, in=
cluding<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; several former Nazis.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; 2009/8/5 Piotr Konieczny &lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; radek szulga wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Oberlander already has an article. Do you mean the S=
cheider<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; commission<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; article?<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; How&#39;s that article coming?<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Piotr Konieczny<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works =
in reality, not in<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; theory.&quot;<br>
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