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In a message dated 7/6/2009 10:44:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
martint20@gmail.com writes:

Found  some information on this book. According to this book review,
(which is in  French, linked via Google translate  below):
http://translate.google.com.au/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%
3A%2F%2Fwww.guysen.com%2Farticles.php%3Fsid%3D5246&sl=fr&tl=en&history_state
0=

Anton  Weiss-Wendt advances the thesis that before the war anti-Semitic
hate was  not wide spread in Estonia, and mentions Estonia had very
liberal laws  during the interwar period. He argues that during the
Nazi occupation the  Estonian people, even Estonia's extreme right,
rejected the Nazi  anti-Semitic propaganda. Apparently the reason why
some Estonians  participated in the Holocaust was not because of
Antisemitism but due to a  number of other reasons, ranging from
personal ambition to being convinced  that some collaborated with the
previous Soviet regime (apparently many  ethnic Estonians were also
executed for that reason). Hence the title  "Murder without hatred".

Martin



This would make sense. My mother lived in Talsi. I asked her about the  
Holocaust under the Nazis. She said you didn't really hear anything, just  
rumors. However, when she was having lunch one day at a local diner, she did  
overhear someone say, "After what they did to my sister, I could kill them 
all."  So some sort of vengeance mechanism may well have been at work. Not 
mentioned in  any scholarship I've seen, when the Soviets came, all the Latvians 
working at  the post office/telegraph/telephone disappeared, replaced by 
Jews. (One of them  told my mom not to go home the night everyone was taken to 
Siberia.) So, also  just trying to survive the Soviet occupation--but by 
using Jews as scab labor  replacing disappearing Latvians, Stalin... well, the 
results can't be good. 
 
Of course the whole house cards of Balts/Ukrainians/Poles et al.  gleefully 
participating in the Holocaust wreaking "centuries of anti-Semitism"  
bludgeoning neighbors and being called "Nazi collaborators" whether or not a gun  
was held to their heads would all come crashing down and Zuroff would be  
apoplectic about "victim blaming". Sorry, but trying to paint history in 
black  and white never works...
 
Why was my mom spared? The Soviets installed an incompetent as postmaster  
and needed her to run the place, she was assistant postmaster, needed to 
watch  over the larger staff listening in on every conversation and taking 
notes while  Red Army soldiers stood at their backs, rifles at the ready.
 
/Peters
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/6/2009 10:44:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
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 is in 
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on 
  Weiss-Wendt advances the thesis that before the war anti-Semitic<BR>hate=
 was 
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s 
  during the interwar period. He argues that during the<BR>Nazi occupation=
 the 
  Estonian people, even Estonia's extreme right,<BR>rejected the Nazi 
  anti-Semitic propaganda. Apparently the reason why<BR>some Estonians 
  participated in the Holocaust was not because of<BR>Antisemitism but due=
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<DIV>This would make sense. My mother lived in Talsi. I asked her about th=
e 
Holocaust under the Nazis. She said you didn't really hear anything, just=
 
rumors. However, when she was having lunch one day at a local diner, she=
 did 
overhear someone say, "After what they did to my sister, I could kill them=
 all." 
So some sort of vengeance mechanism may well have been at work. Not mentio=
ned in 
any scholarship I've seen, when the Soviets came, all the Latvians working=
 at 
the post office/telegraph/telephone disappeared, replaced by Jews. (One of=
 them 
told my mom not to go home the night everyone was taken to Siberia.) So,=
 also 
just trying to survive the Soviet occupation--but by using Jews as scab la=
bor 
replacing disappearing Latvians, Stalin... well, the results can't be good=
. 
</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Of course the whole house cards of Balts/Ukrainians/Poles&nbsp;et al.=
 
gleefully participating in the Holocaust wreaking "centuries of anti-Semit=
ism" 
bludgeoning neighbors and being called "Nazi collaborators" whether or not=
 a gun 
was held to their heads would all come crashing down and Zuroff would be=
 
apoplectic about "victim blaming". Sorry, but trying to paint history in=
 black 
and white never works...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Why was my mom spared? The Soviets installed an incompetent as postma=
ster 
and needed her to run the place, she was assistant postmaster, needed to=
 watch 
over the larger staff listening in on every conversation and taking notes=
 while 
Red Army soldiers stood at their backs,&nbsp;rifles at the ready.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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