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Andrei Dombay wrote:

> Keeping certain articles in shape was one of the reasons I did not left 
> long time ago. But I could not do it any more with articles like 
> Litvinenko and Russian apartment bombings. R and O have won, let's put 
> it straight. I failed. Now they can do whatever they want with articles 
> on Russian politics, because no one  cares about them

Based on sanctions and analysis who is active without considering your 
and Dig retirement, I'd still say its a minor victory of our side. We 
still have more unrestricted and experienced users; as somebody 
mentioned before, this is the first time this has happened.

But yes, if you both retire, the situation will look much worse. I 
understand Wiki can be stressful, which is why I have and support a 
bunch of anti-stress strategies (from doing non-stressful edits to 
organizing cabals and spreading the stress around :>), but when a user 
gives up and leaves, that's a shame. It's like one got banned, but 
without the effort of making the other side do so. Or, in other words, 
one becomes a victim of the ongoing psychological warfare we have on wiki :(

I have outlasted almost all Polish editors of "my generation", with the 
exception of Molobo. Halibutt, Lysy/Wojsyl, Balcer, Appleseed (Darwinek 
is still here but he refuses to be involved in wikipolitics in any 
extent). They all got tired with wiki disputes, burned out and left. 
Everyone is free to do what they want, but I can't help but think how 
easier it would be for all of us if they stuck around and were here to 
support us. In the end, we can either grow and be stronger, or lose 
members and get weaker. Hence I am all for having TEMPORARY 
wikiholidays, and such (perhaps an editor who wants to avoid wikistress 
could just write content and let others fight over it?), but it pains me 
to hear that one is leaving and that the USSRForever cabal has "won", 
without even winning the visible wiki fight (let me remind you that the 
AE decisions are not so bad to us). Please remember that over the years 
we have managed to get rid of quite a few disruptive users as well, and 
make Wikipedia a better place for those who want to create a neutral 
encyclopedia build in a friendly atmosphere. Where is Irpen, Ghirla, 
Kuban Kazak, JC, PK, and some other hate/propaganda mongers? In the end, 
their attempts to destroy NPOV and introduce propaganda into Wikipedia 
failed. They proved to be no stronger than us, rather, they proved 
weaker. We just have to try to last a little longer.

-- 
Piotr Konieczny

"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in 
theory."

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