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The key words in Svanidze's remarks are "world power". People like Svanidze
adapt to a master, and are very interested in their master's well-being. If
Svanidze could have had a similar position in American media, now he would
have only criticized Putin and complain about "America becoming a cheep
Chinese supermarket". When reading such people, don't forget an obvious
thing: while your own profession would make you what you are no matter in
what country you are, a profession like theirs is very much tightened to th=
e
master. We have freedom they don't, hence we have independence of judgement
they don't.

2009/6/29 Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>

> Svanidze is no professor. He is a notorious journalist, with partially
> shifting political tastes (against Promakov's party in late 1990s, now
> pro-Putin's one) and great adaptability. He adapted himself so well in th=
e
> "new" Russia. If Putin would call Russia a Chinese gas station that can m=
ake
> news one week, but when a journalist does that, that is part of the
> profession [to make provocative statements do start discussion]. I am not
> saying Russia did not miss on something important during economic trasiti=
on.
> But I doubt it could have happened otherwise. Remember, the Soviet system
> failed only when it had driven the economy and society to desperation. To
> pretend rational reforms at that point is like asking a doctor who has to
> operate a severed hand to care too much about esthetics.
>
>
> 2009/6/29 Christian Suciu <christiansuciu@yahoo.com>
>
>>
>> http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/06/18/samizdat_in_the_21_cent=
ury?page=3D0,0
>> Quote:
>>
>> Looking around Russia now, Putin=92s new critics see only the ruins of
>> unfulfilled promises and wasted wealth. Like Nemtsov and Milov, they rue=
 the
>> missed opportunity for a modern and transparent state and for a diversif=
ied,
>> entrepreneur-driven economy, the foundation for which could have been la=
id
>> under the more favorable market conditions of the early 2000s. =93In all=
 the
>> years of the fantastic, unearned money, which gushed from the oil pipe a=
s if
>> from a broken bathroom spigot, we did not move a finger to diversify our
>> economy,=94 Nikolai Svanidze, professor of the Moscow University for the
>> Humanities and a member of the Public Chamber, the Kremlin=92s top advis=
ory
>> body, wrote in March in the key opposition Web journal, Ezhednevnyi zhur=
nal.
>> Simply put, Svanidze added, Russia has not learned how to make anything =
that
>> would enjoy demand in the global market: =93As in the 10th century, we s=
till
>> cannot offer the world anything that is not gifted to us by Mother Natur=
e:
>> no electronics, no clothes, no food, or cars, or medications, not even
>> children=92s toys.=94 Instead of emerging as a world economic power, Sva=
nidze
>> concluded, Russia appears to be headed in the direction of becoming =93a
>> cheap Chinese gas station.=94
>>
>>
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The key words in Svanidze&#39;s remarks are &quot;world power&quot;. People=
 like Svanidze adapt to a master, and are very interested in their master&#=
39;s well-being. If Svanidze could have had a similar position in American =
media, now he would have only criticized Putin and complain about &quot;Ame=
rica becoming a cheep Chinese supermarket&quot;. When reading such people, =
don&#39;t forget an obvious thing: while your own profession would make you=
 what you are no matter in what country you are, a profession like theirs i=
s very much tightened to the master. We have freedom they don&#39;t, hence =
we have independence of judgement they don&#39;t.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/6/29 Dorin Cheptea <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:dorin.cheptea@gmail.com">dorin.cheptea@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Svanidze is no professor. He is a notorious journalist, with partially shif=
ting political tastes (against Promakov&#39;s party in late 1990s, now pro-=
Putin&#39;s one) and great adaptability. He adapted himself so well in the =
&quot;new&quot; Russia. If Putin would call Russia a Chinese gas station th=
at can make news one week, but when a journalist does that, that is part of=
 the profession [to make provocative statements do start discussion]. I am =
not saying Russia did not miss on something important during economic trasi=
tion. But I doubt it could have happened otherwise. Remember, the Soviet sy=
stem failed only when it had driven the economy and society to desperation.=
 To pretend rational reforms at that point is like asking a doctor who has =
to operate a severed hand to care too much about esthetics. =A0=A0<div>

<br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/6/29 Chri=
stian Suciu <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:christiansuciu@yahoo.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">christiansuciu@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">
<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td vali=
gn=3D"top" style=3D"font:inherit"><a href=3D"http://www.foreignpolicy.com/a=
rticles/2009/06/18/samizdat_in_the_21_century?page=3D0,0" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/06/18/samizdat_in_the_21_centur=
y?page=3D0,0</a><div>

<br>Quote:<br><br></div><div>Looking around Russia now, Putin=92s new criti=
cs see only the ruins of unfulfilled promises and wasted wealth. Like Nemts=
ov and Milov, they rue the missed opportunity for a modern and transparent =
state and for a diversified, entrepreneur-driven economy, the foundation fo=
r which could have been laid under the more favorable market conditions of =
the early 2000s. =93In all the years of the fantastic, unearned money, whic=
h gushed from the oil pipe as if from a broken bathroom spigot, we did not =
move a finger to diversify our economy,=94 Nikolai Svanidze, professor of t=
he Moscow University for the Humanities and a member of the Public Chamber,=
 the Kremlin=92s top advisory body, wrote in March in the key opposition We=
b journal,=A0Ezhednevnyi zhurnal.
 Simply put, Svanidze added, Russia has not learned how to=A0make=A0anythin=
g that would enjoy demand in the global market: =93As in the 10th century, =
we still cannot offer the world anything that is not gifted to us by Mother=
 Nature: no electronics, no clothes, no food, or cars, or medications, not =
even children=92s toys.=94 <span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Instead of emer=
ging as a world economic power</span>, Svanidze concluded, <span style=3D"f=
ont-weight:bold">Russia appears to be headed in the direction of becoming =
=93a cheap Chinese gas station.=94</span><br>

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