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	Content preview:  Molobo Molobo wrote: > Sigh...UPA never engaged in
	genocide of Poles. It simply wanted them > out of Ukrainian territories.
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Molobo Molobo wrote:
> Sigh...UPA never engaged in genocide of Poles. It simply wanted them
> out of Ukrainian territories. The Poles formed a very small minority
> in Volhyn, smaller then Germans in Pozna=F1 before 1918 actually. They
> were treating the local population with arrogance and exploited the
> Ukrainian peasents. This resulted in the massacres in Volhyn. Contrary
> to Polish myth spreaded by the so-called "Kresowiacy"(mostly people
> who had once priviliaged position in the Kresy compared to Ukrainians)
> there never was a peacefull co-existance with Ukrainian poeople there
> and Poles were foreign element to the locals, that they viewed with
> hostility due to opressive.
> My Great-grandfather served with =AFeligowski in order to conquer
> Lithuanian territories, so I must say I am of Kresowiacy blood as
> well, but I am able to see the things objectively. Those were not
> Polish territories, neither they were of any value to Poland, and led
> to needless wast of resources, wars and bad blood between us and
> people in the East.

My grandfather, a Polish Army officer, escaped from a peasant mob in '39 :)

I'd add to Molobo's point that it is true for countryside (with the =

exceptions of few rare Polish villages). Towns and cities were mostly =

Polish/Jewish.

Bottom line is that while the Ukrainians were extremely brutal in their =

ethnic cleansing, the Poles worked hard to make the Ukrainians hate them =

before the war. And when the table turned, what happened was hardly =

surprising. We can draw analogies to Polish retribution against Jews in =

the same period, for example, or post war Polish retributions against =

Germans, and so on. First, a group dominates the other one, and makes =

them hate the oppressors, then they get their due. Of course, there are =

always differences, but the bottom line is that we need to put them =

behind us and work together to create a better article (world...). =

Calling the other side evil and demanding an apology is hardly helpful; =

one has to wait for the other side (nation) to mature enough to be =

willing to apologize without being forced.

And yes, Poles DO have things to apologize for too - such as for the =

endecja forced poloniztion policies pre-war, that created so much hatred =

between Poles and other Ukrainians/Belorusians/Lithuanians.

One could of course argue that Poles have less to apologize for than =

Ukrainians, and would probably be right, but weighting such moral issues =

is not the most productive pastime out there.

-- =

Piotr Konieczny

"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in =

theory."

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