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	Content preview:  "Nevertheless, it was not a mass murder of Ukrainians
	and you know it" Tymek-do note that they were cases of mass murder of
	Ukrainians by Polish forces. 2009/8/3 piotr micula
	<basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>: > Is resettlement the same as ethnical
	cleansing? Operation Wisla was shameful > and Polish govt rightfully
	apologized for it. Nevertheless, it was not a > mass murder of
	Ukrainians and you know it. > > Tymek > > --- On Sun, 8/2/09, O. G.
	<hillock@yahoo.ca> wrote: > > From: O. G. <hillock@yahoo.ca> > Subject:
	Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek and others. > To: "Wikipedia
	statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net> > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009,
	10:57 PM > > > Gee, what a question!
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wisła > > --- On Mon, 8/3/09,
	piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> From: piotr micula
	<basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus,
	Tymek and others. >> To: "Wikipedia statistics"
	<folks@wikipedometer.net> >> Received: Monday, August 3, 2009, 10:36 AM
	>> Hillock, let us be realistic. >> When did Polish government
	ethnically cleanse the >> Ukrainians? >> >> Tymek >> >> --- On Sun,
	8/2/09, O. G. >> <hillock@yahoo.ca> wrote: >> >> >> From: O. G.
	<hillock@yahoo.ca> >> Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek
	and >> others. >> To: "Wikipedia statistics" >>
	<folks@wikipedometer.net> >> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 10:20 PM >>
	>> >> >> I already wrote, UPA is not recognized by the Ukrainian >>
	state. It has nothing to apologize for. Unlike the POLISH >> STATE that
	subjugated, assimilated, persecuted and >> ethnically clensed
	Ukrainians. Apologizing for the deeds of >> UPA by the state officials
	would be tantamount to state >> recognizing it and as such it is a very
	divisive issue, all >> politicians shy from it. And if it happened, I
	should hope >> Poles will appologize for the atrocities commited by the
	AK. >> For the life of me I cannot see what good it will bring?!! >> All
	this moaning and going through decomposed bodies and >> mutual
	accusations does nothing, but devides. >> >> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, piotr
	micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >> > From: piotr micula
	<basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> >> > Subject: [...] 
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	Content preview:  "Nevertheless, it was not a mass murder of Ukrainians
	and you know it" Tymek-do note that they were cases of mass murder of
	Ukrainians by Polish forces. 2009/8/3 piotr micula
	<basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>: > Is resettlement the same as ethnical
	cleansing? Operation Wisla was shameful > and Polish govt rightfully
	apologized for it. Nevertheless, it was not a > mass murder of
	Ukrainians and you know it. > > Tymek > > --- On Sun, 8/2/09, O. G.
	<hillock@yahoo.ca> wrote: > > From: O. G. <hillock@yahoo.ca> > Subject:
	Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek and others. > To: "Wikipedia
	statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net> > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009,
	10:57 PM > > > Gee, what a question!
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wisła > > --- On Mon, 8/3/09,
	piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> From: piotr micula
	<basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus,
	Tymek and others. >> To: "Wikipedia statistics"
	<folks@wikipedometer.net> >> Received: Monday, August 3, 2009, 10:36 AM
	>> Hillock, let us be realistic. >> When did Polish government
	ethnically cleanse the >> Ukrainians? >> >> Tymek >> >> --- On Sun,
	8/2/09, O. G. >> <hillock@yahoo.ca> wrote: >> >> >> From: O. G.
	<hillock@yahoo.ca> >> Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek
	and >> others. >> To: "Wikipedia statistics" >>
	<folks@wikipedometer.net> >> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 10:20 PM >>
	>> >> >> I already wrote, UPA is not recognized by the Ukrainian >>
	state. It has nothing to apologize for. Unlike the POLISH >> STATE that
	subjugated, assimilated, persecuted and >> ethnically clensed
	Ukrainians. Apologizing for the deeds of >> UPA by the state officials
	would be tantamount to state >> recognizing it and as such it is a very
	divisive issue, all >> politicians shy from it. And if it happened, I
	should hope >> Poles will appologize for the atrocities commited by the
	AK. >> For the life of me I cannot see what good it will bring?!! >> All
	this moaning and going through decomposed bodies and >> mutual
	accusations does nothing, but devides. >> >> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, piotr
	micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >> > From: piotr micula
	<basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> >> > Subject: [...] 
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"Nevertheless, it was not a mass murder of Ukrainians and you know it"
Tymek-do note that they were cases of mass murder of Ukrainians by
Polish forces.


2009/8/3 piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>:
> Is resettlement the same as ethnical cleansing? Operation Wisla was shame=
ful
> and Polish govt rightfully apologized for it. Nevertheless, it was not a
> mass murder of Ukrainians and you know it.
>
> Tymek
>
> --- On Sun, 8/2/09, O. G. <hillock@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> From: O. G. <hillock@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek and others.
> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 10:57 PM
>
>
> Gee, what a question! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wis=B3a
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> From: piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek and others.
>> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
>> Received: Monday, August 3, 2009, 10:36 AM
>> Hillock, let us be realistic.
>> When did Polish government ethnically cleanse the
>> Ukrainians?
>>
>> Tymek
>>
>> --- On Sun, 8/2/09, O. G.
>> <hillock@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: O. G. <hillock@yahoo.ca>
>> Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek and
>> others.
>> To: "Wikipedia statistics"
>> <folks@wikipedometer.net>
>> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 10:20 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> I already wrote, UPA is not recognized by the Ukrainian
>> state. It has nothing to apologize for. Unlike the POLISH
>> STATE that subjugated, assimilated, persecuted and
>> ethnically clensed Ukrainians. Apologizing for the deeds of
>> UPA by the state officials would be tantamount to state
>> recognizing it and as such it is a very divisive issue, all
>> politicians shy from it. And if it happened, I should hope
>> Poles will appologize for the atrocities commited by the AK.
>> For the life of me I cannot see what good it will bring?!!
>> All this moaning and going through decomposed bodies and
>> mutual accusations does nothing, but devides.
>>
>> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > From: piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek and
>> others.
>> > To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
>> > Received: Monday, August 3, 2009, 9:42 AM
>> > For starters, there has been no
>> > single apology from the Ukrainian side. What is more
>> > important, 80% bones of Poles murdered in
>> Volhynia have
>> > not been properly buried, and lie there in Volhynian
>> and
>> > Podolian fields, among villages burned to the ground.
>> > Don't you think that Ukrainian authorities should
>> at
>> > least give permission for exhumations of these
>> remains?
>> >
>> > It is not about playing UPA card. It is about
>> > remembering history and those who were murdered for
>> nothing.
>> > Should we all sweep this
>>  topic under the carpet and forget
>> > it forever? If so, let us erase all history articles
>> on
>> > Wikipedia, and demand closing of all museums, with
>> Museum of
>> > Holocaust as first.
>> >
>> > Tymek
>> >
>> > --- On Sun, 8/2/09, O. G.
>> > <hillock@yahoo.ca>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From: O. G. <hillock@yahoo.ca>
>> > Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek and
>> > others.
>> > To: "Wikipedia statistics"
>> > <folks@wikipedometer.net>
>> > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 8:33 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I was just wondering
>>  how many apologizing does it take to
>> > put this thing behind us? People keep forgetting that
>> issue
>> > of UPA is very divisive in Ukraine and it runs along
>> > linguistic and geopolitical divisions as well. There
>> are
>> > millions of Ukrainians who will always regard UPA as
>> heroes
>> > in spite of everything, just because in Western
>> Ukraine
>> > every other family was associated with them in some
>> way or
>> > suffered collective punishment for their activities.
>> Yet on
>> > the state level UPA is still not recognized as the
>> WWII
>> > participant. I am from central Ukraine and have
>> nothing to
>> > do with UPA but still consider them heroes just as the
>> Red
>> > Army vets, because millions of my compatriots do so on
>> both
>> > sides of the divide. There are different views on this
>> in
>> > every family, people don't bring it up in company.
>> It is
>> > EXTREMELY divisive and volatile topic, interference
>> of
>> >
>>  outsiders in this brings it to the whole new level. I
>> only
>> > hope Poland won't
>> >  be playing the UPA card
>> > as Russia has for so many years. It will be
>> devastating for
>> > both peoples.
>> >
>> > --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > From: Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
>> > > Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek
>> and
>> > others.
>> > > To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
>> > > Received: Monday, August 3, 2009, 6:42 AM
>> > > O. G. wrote:
>> > > > But in
>>  spite of that, for millions of Ukrainians
>> > UPA
>> > > always will be heroes, because they fought for
>> the
>> > freedom
>> > > of their country.
>> > >
>> > > One men's
>> >  terrorist is another men's hero, and there
>> is no
>> > > denying that.
>> > > This is also an attitude of many Lithuanian
>> editors,
>> > and
>> > > presumably a
>> > > sentiment shared more widely among the eastern
>> > countries. I
>> > > can
>> > > understand and I cannot blame those who after
>> Soviet
>> > > repression saw
>> > > German Nazis as liberators. They couldn't
>> know
>> > what was
>> > > really going on.
>> > >
>> > > Still, one should be able to admit one made a
>> mistake.
>> > Just
>> > > as Poles
>> > > should (and in some instances, did) apologize for
>> the
>> > > exceptional but
>> > > real massacres committed by AK and
>>  other Poles
>> > > (Jedwabne...), so should
>> > > those who threw their lot in with the Nazis and
>> worked
>> > with
>> > > them
>> > > apologize for all the suffering that they
>> caused.
>> > >
>> > > Bottom line is that there is no white and black,
>> there
>> > are
>> > > always shades
>> > > of gray (but shades that can be
>> >  sometimes compared!), and
>> > > we have to
>> > > admit that many heroes were also, at the same
>> time,
>> > > criminals.
>> > >
>> > > > PS I wouldn't be surprised if Russia
>> were
>> > > clandestinely financing people in Poland bringing
>> this
>> > issue
>> > > over and over again. Just a guess...
>> > >
>> > > Good point, again. Let's not loose the sight
>> of
>> > the bigger
>> > > picture.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Piotr Konieczny
>> > >
>> > > "The problem about
>>  Wikipedia is, that it just
>> > works in
>> > > reality, not in
>> > > theory."
>> > >
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