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This man is an admin. He is looking for past Arbcom cases/decisions, which
is not good. In your place I would ask him at mediation talk page what
exactly questions and how he wants to be decided. It looks like he does not
know what he wants.


   - *Review the balance of the article as it concerns a neutral point of
   view*. What is precisely off balance? What precisely HE wants to be
   inserted? Maybe that can be inserted - no problem?
   - In reviewing the article for neutrality, also *consider the scope*....
   No one prevents creation of new articles he mentioned. Why would not he
   create them?

Should I talk with him?

Andrei




On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 02:32, <PetersJV@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>  We have two options, become parties and not agree and let it die in
>> protest, we're not doing this again (post links to all the prior actions)...
>>
>
> At this time, I'm not convinced participation serves any meaningful
> purpose.  This may change, but based on current state of affairs, I won't
> rush into declaring myself as a participant.
>
> There's a considerable likelihood that MEDCOM might reject the whole case
> due to the ARBCOM history.  If this history of mediation and arbitration is
> not made clear by Hiberniantears himself, it might have to be pointed out by
> somebody else, but there's probably no need to rush with that, either.
>
> It may be worthwhile trying #1, that as a community, we are not going to
>> let ourselves be dragged through the mud again.
>>
>> I'm open to suggestions.
>>
>
> I'm hoping that Hiberniantears will manage to save face while giving up if
> the mediation dies down without a lot of arguing.  Dojarca can still cause
> problems, so it might be worthwile to try and keep him away. If it was
> Offliner, it could be done by shifting our focus to the South Ossetia
> articles, but Dojarca doesn't seem to be very passionate about those.  As
> far as I can tell, his only recurring interests are Soviet occupation of
> Baltics and ancient Soviet computers.
>
> Perhaps, is there anything that can be done to improve the
> Chernobyl-related articles?  Its anniversary has just passed, it's
> Soviet-related, and it involves blame.  This might have a chance at
> attracting him.
>
> --
> Andres Soolo
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<br><br>This man is an admin. He is looking for past Arbcom cases/decisions=
, which is not good. In your place I would ask him at mediation talk page w=
hat exactly questions and how he wants to be decided. It looks like he does=
 not know what he wants. <br>
<br><ul><li><b>Review the balance of the article as it concerns a neutral p=
oint of view</b>. What is precisely off balance? What precisely HE wants to=
 be inserted? Maybe that can be inserted - no problem?</li><li>In reviewing=
 the article for neutrality, also <b>consider the scope</b>.... No one prev=
ents creation of new articles he mentioned. Why would not he create them?</=
li>
</ul>Should I talk with him?<br><br>Andrei<br><br><br><br><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Digwuren <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 02:32,  <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:PetersJV@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">PetersJV@aol.c=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">




<div style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial;"><f=
ont color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">
<div>We have two options, become parties and not agree and let it die in=20
protest, we&#39;re not doing this again (post=A0links to all the prior=20
actions)...</div></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>At thi=
s time, I&#39;m not convinced participation serves any meaningful purpose. =
=A0This may change, but based on current state of affairs, I won&#39;t rush=
 into declaring myself as a participant.</div>

<div><br></div><div>There&#39;s a considerable likelihood that MEDCOM might=
 reject the whole case due to the ARBCOM history. =A0If this history of med=
iation and arbitration is not made clear by Hiberniantears himself, it migh=
t have to be pointed out by somebody else, but there&#39;s probably no need=
 to rush with that, either.</div>
<div class=3D"im">
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px =
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><d=
iv style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial;"><fon=
t color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><div>

It may be worthwhile trying #1, that as a community, we are not going to=20
let ourselves be dragged through the mud again.<br></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I&#39;m open to suggestions.</div></font></div></blockquote><div><br><=
/div></div><div>I&#39;m hoping that Hiberniantears will manage to save face=
 while giving up if the mediation dies down without a lot of arguing. =A0Do=
jarca can still cause problems, so it might be worthwile to try and keep hi=
m away. If it was Offliner, it could be done by shifting our focus to the S=
outh Ossetia articles, but Dojarca doesn&#39;t seem to be very passionate a=
bout those. =A0As far as I can tell, his only recurring interests are Sovie=
t occupation of Baltics and ancient Soviet computers.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Perhaps, is there anything that can be done to improve =
the Chernobyl-related articles? =A0Its anniversary has just passed, it&#39;=
s Soviet-related, and it involves blame. =A0This might have a chance at att=
racting him.</div>

<div><br></div></div><font color=3D"#888888">-- <br>Andres Soolo<br>
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