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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:22:31 +0200
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From: Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
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"What's the status of the so-called "citizen media"?  Blogs, web forums, IR=
C?"

Web forums do not serve the role of exchange of ideas-they are usually
closed to people of similiar interests and views. Blogs are more
interesting and seem to feel the void of real free and critical press
but they have a narrow range and do not transform into real political
power. One notable blog site is Salon24 where more notable blog
writers and political observers gather.
A example how media work in Poland and cross over into citizen media
was the "Kataryna Affair". Kataryna is critical blogist, that has
reviewed the bias of Polish mainstream media in political affairs,
revealed openly available information that was ignored by newspapers,
and wrote about political life in Poland. She became highly
sucessfull. This year the mainstream Dziennik, started a campaign
against her, demanding that she either starts working for them or her
identity will be published in the newspaper. You think majority of
journalists protested ? Guess again, many supported the Dziennik's
actions...

2009/7/19 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 15:57, Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, also Piskorski said that money he gained was from "antique staffs
>> he found in his attic(seriously).
>
> Has he paid taxes properly?
>>
>> As to the media-in Poland there are very few "free" media. Most of the
>> media market is owned by people associated with former communists and
>> whose interests would be threatened by anti-corruption
>> campaign-Walter, Solorz. Additionally a lot of the journalists are
>> very supportive of =A0PO-I believe around 70% of them voted for the
>> party according to polls.
>
> What's the status of the so-called "citizen media"? =A0Blogs, web forums,=
 IRC?
> --
> Andres Soolo
>
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