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	Content preview: That is where we differ. OUN is not the only one
	behind
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That is where we differ. OUN is not the only one behind acts of sabotage. B=
esides, it wasn't influential enough merely a year after being formed. And =
the goal was not to make Ukrainians suffer, but rather to show resistance. =
Nobody could have predicted such massive and disproportionate response.

--- On Tue, 8/4/09, piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] Article about Pacification of Ukrainian villages in in=
terwar Poland
> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Received: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 11:15 PM
> Hillock, this thing is not
> obscure in Poland, and basically, you confirmed what I
> wrote. The difference is I put emphasis on the OUN as the
> main organized of the sabotage action, and this is confirmed
> by sources I used in the article. Of course, Polish response
> was disproportionate, and several moderate Ukrainians
> suffered. And this is what OUN had in mind. =

> =A0
> And please do not exaggerate. The number of victims of
> the pacification was not higher than 35, not a couple of
> hundred.
> --- On Tue, 8/4/09, O. G.
> <hillock@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> =

> =

> From: O. G. <hillock@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] Article about Pacification of Ukrainian
> villages in interwar Poland
> To: "Wikipedia statistics"
> <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 8:25 AM
> =

> =

> =

> Not quite. Acts of sabotage against Polish property was
> common since Ukrainian defeat in 1919. It just never took
> large scale. OUN was only partially responsible for enticing
> peasants to acts of sabotage. There were other small
> factions trying to show that their active in
> "revolutionary struggle", mostly youth. It
> coincided as well with general economic crisis of 1929 and
> the political crisis in Poland at that time. So, some youth
> wings of several organizations believed this could be the
> start of new fight for freedom and encouraged acts of
> sabotage, which in many cases went on even without their
> enticement. The response from Polish authorities was
> disproportionate and indiscriminate. All inhabitants of
> villages were punished and their property destroyed even
> those, who had nothing to do with it. In some cased villages
> were punished, where there was no acts of sabotage. While
> all this resulted in a couple of hundred dead only,
>  the deep seated feeling of
> resentment against the Poles have become firmly entrenched
> among Western Ukrainians. In the final outcome OUN got what
> it wanted - popular support against a hated enemy.
> That's where the seeds of the Volhynia tragedy and
> everything else are. This thing is well known in Ukraine
> now, I am a bit surprised it is still obscure in Poland.
> =

> --- On Tue, 8/4/09, piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> =

> > From: piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [WPM] Article about Pacification of
> Ukrainian villages in interwar Poland
> > To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> > Received: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 11:30 AM
> > The unrest in Eastern Galicia was
> > part of the permanent revolution tactics, adopted by
> the
> > OUN. They went out of their way to incite hatred of
> Polish
> > government=A0among Ukrainian peasants, therefore
> the
> > sabotage operation of 1930, which spurred the
> pacification.
> > OUN activists, and back then they were not numerous,
> would
> > appear in Ukrainian-populated villages, where they
> would
> > kill some police officers, cut telephone or telegraph
> lines,
> > or burn some mail offices. Then they disappeared,
> waiting
> > for reply of Polish police. The Poles went after
> peaceful
> > villagers, punishing them for they had not commited,
> while
> > OUN activists relished the moment. We have to note
> that had
> > there not been acts of sabotage by the OUN, the
>  pacification
> > would have never taken place.
> > =A0
> > Tymek
> > =A0
> > =

> > =

> > --- On Mon, 8/3/09, radek szulga
> > <rsszulga@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > =

> > =

> > From: radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [WPM] Article about Pacification of
> Ukrainian
> > villages in interwar Poland
> > To: "Wikipedia statistics"
> > <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 5:57 PM
> > =

> > =

> > Like I said, I'm just
> > translating the Polish article. Please expand and
> add.
> >
>  =

> > Radek
> > =

> > =

> > =

> > 2009/8/3 O. G. <hillock@yahoo.ca>
> > =

> > =

> > I think it is very far from being ready for DYK. As of
> now
> > it is one sided and biased, for example it states
> that
> > Pacification was introduce to quell unrest, but that
> is not
> > true. Villages in Galicia didn't not rebel,
> peasants
> > were made to suffer for the massive acts of sabotage
> and
> > arson attack perpetrated mostly by the OUN. It was a
> > punitive action. The article needs a lot of work.
> > =

> > --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
> > wrote:
> > =

> > > From: Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
> > =

> > > Subject: Re: [WPM] Article about
> > Pacification of Ukrainian villages in interwar Poland
> > > To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> > > Received: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:48 AM
> > =

> > =

> > =

> > > radek szulga wrote:
> > > > I've expanded the stub a bit. I'm
> just
> > translating
> > > from Polish wiki so
> > > > correct as needed.
> > >
> > > Nicely done guys, you saved me some work. Add
> some
> > inline
> > > citations and
> > > we can DYK it.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Piotr Konieczny
> > >
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> > > reality, not in
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