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Sadly, I have noticed that Mordoor is back. This guy's obsession is to find=
 Polish antisemitism everywhere, mostly in the areas it never existed. To m=
e, he is a sick person, hating Poland and Poles, who never hesitates to blo=
w any kind of a Polish - Jewish clash into a mass pogrom. A real anti-Polis=
h, left wing pain in the ass. This is what Mordoor is.
=A0
Tymek

--- On Sun, 6/21/09, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:


From: radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [WPM] Aron Bielski/Christian Bale
To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 12:52 PM


I also think this is a pretty minor issue and pushing it too hard may
well prove counter productive.=A0 I'm also inclined to think, based on
IPN statements, that the Bielskis really didn't have anything to do
with Naliboki and if you read Nechama Tec's book it's actually pretty
favorable towards Poles (notes Tuvia's close friendship with the
Polish AK commander in the region and the strains that relationship
was put under due to the arrival of the Soviet partisans).
One related issue here to think about for the future - Boodlesthecat's
year block's going to expire in the fall and that guy's capable of
really stirring things up and causing a lot of trouble that we just
don't want to deal with due to lack of time and the undesirability of
fighting on multiple fronts at once. Basically I think it's a good
idea to minimize potential conflicts in the Polish-Jewish relations
area now, and without agent provocateurs like Boodles around this
isn't actually that hard and cooperation comes about naturally. It'd
be nice if and when Boodles comes back, he finds himself without the
support of other editors that he dragged along into all the battles
before - I don't think this is realistic with respect to Moordoor but
others, like Malik Shabazz, seem like reasonable fellows.

Radek


2009/6/21 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>:
> Digwuren wrote:
>
>> I have no idea about the articles in question. =A0Thus, by Wikipedia's
>> standards, I'm evidently qualified to offer advice.
>>
>> Charges being dropped is sometimes an indication that they were brought
>> by mistake in the first place. =A0Unless the charges themselves have
>> become notable in their own right, it makes sense for an encyclop=E6dia =
to
>> skip them, or only mention them very briefly. =A0In Wikipedia's terms,
>> undue weight to charges that have been dropped may constitute a BLP
>> violation.
>>
>> Unfortunately, if charges are notable or not is considerably vague a
>> subject, depend to a lot of editorial discretion.
>
> The issues was settled out of court. This is all explained on talk, I
> think it is a case of BLP censorship and the article got the bad luck of
> being "adopted" by some BLP-censorship fans. I don't think it has much
> to do with the ethnicity of the person. In any case, I consider this
> issue relatively unimportant (who cares about Aron, really...), other
> than a sad illustration of how BLP can in fact make some biographies
> misleading.
>
> --
> Piotr Konieczny
>
> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
> theory."
>
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Sadly, I have noticed that Mordoor is ba=
ck. This guy's obsession is to find Polish antisemitism everywhere, mostly =
in the areas it never existed. To me, he is a sick person, hating Poland an=
d Poles, who never hesitates to blow any kind of a Polish - Jewish clash in=
to a mass pogrom. A real anti-Polish, left wing pain in the ass. This is wh=
at Mordoor is.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Tymek<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 6/21/09, radek szulga <I>&lt;rsszulga@gmai=
l.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: radek szulga &lt;rsszulga@gmail.com&gt;<BR>=
Subject: Re: [WPM] Aron Bielski/Christian Bale<BR>To: "Wikipedia statistics=
" &lt;folks@wikipedometer.net&gt;<BR>Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 12:52 PM<=
BR><BR>
<DIV class=3DplainMail>I also think this is a pretty minor issue and pushin=
g it too hard may<BR>well prove counter productive.&nbsp; I'm also inclined=
 to think, based on<BR>IPN statements, that the Bielskis really didn't have=
 anything to do<BR>with Naliboki and if you read Nechama Tec's book it's ac=
tually pretty<BR>favorable towards Poles (notes Tuvia's close friendship wi=
th the<BR>Polish AK commander in the region and the strains that relationsh=
ip<BR>was put under due to the arrival of the Soviet partisans).<BR>One rel=
ated issue here to think about for the future - Boodlesthecat's<BR>year blo=
ck's going to expire in the fall and that guy's capable of<BR>really stirri=
ng things up and causing a lot of trouble that we just<BR>don't want to dea=
l with due to lack of time and the undesirability of<BR>fighting on multipl=
e fronts at once. Basically I think it's a good<BR>idea to minimize potenti=
al conflicts in the Polish-Jewish relations<BR>area now, and without
 agent provocateurs like Boodles around this<BR>isn't actually that hard an=
d cooperation comes about naturally. It'd<BR>be nice if and when Boodles co=
mes back, he finds himself without the<BR>support of other editors that he =
dragged along into all the battles<BR>before - I don't think this is realis=
tic with respect to Moordoor but<BR>others, like Malik Shabazz, seem like r=
easonable fellows.<BR><BR>Radek<BR><BR><BR>2009/6/21 Piotr Konieczny &lt;<A=
 href=3D"http://us.mc328.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dpiokon@post.pl" yma=
ilto=3D"mailto:piokon@post.pl">piokon@post.pl</A>&gt;:<BR>&gt; Digwuren wro=
te:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; I have no idea about the articles in question. &nbs=
p;Thus, by Wikipedia's<BR>&gt;&gt; standards, I'm evidently qualified to of=
fer advice.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; Charges being dropped is sometimes an i=
ndication that they were brought<BR>&gt;&gt; by mistake in the first place.=
 &nbsp;Unless the charges themselves have<BR>&gt;&gt; become notable in
 their own right, it makes sense for an encyclop=E6dia to<BR>&gt;&gt; skip =
them, or only mention them very briefly. &nbsp;In Wikipedia's terms,<BR>&gt=
;&gt; undue weight to charges that have been dropped may constitute a BLP<B=
R>&gt;&gt; violation.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; Unfortunately, if charges are=
 notable or not is considerably vague a<BR>&gt;&gt; subject, depend to a lo=
t of editorial discretion.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; The issues was settled out of co=
urt. This is all explained on talk, I<BR>&gt; think it is a case of BLP cen=
sorship and the article got the bad luck of<BR>&gt; being "adopted" by some=
 BLP-censorship fans. I don't think it has much<BR>&gt; to do with the ethn=
icity of the person. In any case, I consider this<BR>&gt; issue relatively =
unimportant (who cares about Aron, really...), other<BR>&gt; than a sad ill=
ustration of how BLP can in fact make some biographies<BR>&gt; misleading.<=
BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; --<BR>&gt; Piotr Konieczny<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; "The
 problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in<BR>&gt; =
theory."<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; _______________________________________________<BR=
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