X-From_: folks-bounces@wikipedometer.net Mon Aug  3 06:12:22 2009
Return-Path: <folks-bounces@wikipedometer.net>
Message-ID: <47375.17965.qm@web52506.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
X-YMail-OSG: aB20wSkVM1lqFak8nQVBcMIgJoq0mA.MTVt_Q4D6h0zEZuwrRNmsDUyIjeUn5YhOo2MxX6BEQ5.ShXj0FCVeMDT2qlOYDPoutJLAZzcfoTkm6Q3vANTJGtYDGMAGkOo5DcStgtdZ5m3jDZXfplwAkaUpfnGWM9OzkV26H9m.gC_DsZII_YZKHbiEDHpTillpxPU.wMIBBFiTADS9LNDM4wvvvv_zemuW6vLz6IhY_anPw1t899MxEy_tEovU10eJAnPV.5w27QWWjRDx2xiN1keH_TQd32wyLtiBx3My9563wDkp1t4z0ro3ZGWaQAHJmIZ.Ow--
X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:12:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: "O. G." <hillock@yahoo.ca>
To: Wikipedia statistics <folks@wikipedometer.net>
In-Reply-To: <6c9a05ec0908022101p3c482c1di4f9be31d6855af0f@mail.gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Spam_score: -2.3
X-Spam_score_int: -22
X-Spam_bar: --
X-Spam_report: Spam detection software,
	running on the system "pakkun.mirky.net", has
	identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message
	has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or
	label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
	the administrator of that system for details.
	Content preview: I don't know what it is like in Poland but in Ukraine
	Russians are somehow very concerned about the Volhynia tragedy. Not
	because they were sending trainloads of Poles to Siberia, but because it
	can be used against Ukrainians. The Communist Party of Ukraine as of
	now
	seems to be the main expert on suffering of Poles at the hands of
	Ukrainians, they even sponsored a Canadian author Polishzuk to come to
	Ukraine to give lectures about Volyn tragedy... [...] 
	Content analysis details:   (-2.3 points, 5.0 required)
	pts rule name              description
	---- ----------------------
	--------------------------------------------------
	-2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1%
	[score: 0.0000]
	0.2 DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE RBL: Envelope sender in abuse.rfc-ignorant.org
	0.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on 
	pakkun.mirky.net
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,
	DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb
Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek and others.
X-BeenThere: folks@wikipedometer.net
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
Reply-To: Wikipedia statistics <folks@wikipedometer.net>
List-Id: Wikipedia statistics <folks.wikipedometer.net>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks>,
	<mailto:folks-request@wikipedometer.net?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Post: <mailto:folks@wikipedometer.net>
List-Help: <mailto:folks-request@wikipedometer.net?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks>,
	<mailto:folks-request@wikipedometer.net?subject=subscribe>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sender: folks-bounces@wikipedometer.net
Errors-To: folks-bounces@wikipedometer.net
X-Spam_score: -2.3
X-Spam_score_int: -22
X-Spam_bar: --
X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "pakkun.mirky.net", has
	identified this incoming email as possible spam.  The original message
	has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label
	similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
	the administrator of that system for details.
	Content preview:  I don't know what it is like in Poland but in Ukraine
	Russians are somehow very concerned about the Volhynia tragedy. Not
	because they were sending trainloads of Poles to Siberia, but because it
	can be used against Ukrainians. The Communist Party of Ukraine as of now
	seems to be the main expert on suffering of Poles at the hands of
	Ukrainians, they even sponsored a Canadian author Polishzuk to come to
	Ukraine to give lectures about Volyn tragedy... [...] 
	Content analysis details:   (-2.3 points, 5.0 required)
	pts rule name              description
	---- ---------------------- --------------------------------------------------
	-2.6 BAYES_00               BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1%
	[score: 0.0000]
	0.2 DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE     RBL: Envelope sender in abuse.rfc-ignorant.org
	0.1 AWL                    AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list


I don't know what it is like in Poland but in Ukraine Russians are somehow =
very concerned about the Volhynia tragedy. Not because they were sending tr=
ainloads of Poles to Siberia, but because it can be used against Ukrainians=
. The Communist Party of Ukraine as of now seems to be the main expert on s=
uffering of Poles at the hands of Ukrainians, they even sponsored a Canadia=
n author Polishzuk to come to Ukraine to give lectures about Volyn tragedy.=
..

--- On Mon, 8/3/09, Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek and others.
> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Received: Monday, August 3, 2009, 11:01 AM
> "I knew someone will take my hyposis
> about Russian interest in this
> personally. "
> =

> I actually can add that personally I have interest in how
> well the
> Kresowiacy are inflitrated by Russian/former Soviet agents.
> I mean if
> the Catholic Church was infiltrated then for certain
> Kresowiacy could
> be as well. I often encounter claims of actions from their
> sides that
> serve to harm relations with Ukrainians or almost racist
> like attitude
> and started to wonder if some of them are not doing it on
> purpouse.
> =

> =

> 2009/8/3 O. G. <hillock@yahoo.ca>:
> >
> > I knew someone will take my hyposis about Russian
> interest in this personally. Apparently you have a lot to
> learn about UPA and AK and their activities. No one is
> trying to whitewash the UPA, they did what they did. There
> is hardly a force in WWII who didn't commit objectionable
> acts. That goes for AK in particular, which massacred up to
> 20,000 Ukrainians in reprisal killings. http://web.ku.edu/~eceurope/hist5=
57/lect17.htm
> >
> > This must be a thing with some Poles to piss and moan
> about every little thing someone caused them. There are
> several anti-Ukrainian articles about UPA atrocities, The
> Volhyn Massacre is jus an example of the egregeous, one
> sided anti-Ukrainian rant. If you are so concerned about the
> truth, why not write an article on Pacifikacija? Or this is
> not part of the Polish history? Or you conveniently prefer
> to turn a blind eye to it? Start from there...
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 8/3/09, piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek
> and others.
> >> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> >> Received: Monday, August 3, 2009, 9:34 AM
> >> Oh yes, I am one of these persons
> >> financed by the Russians. They=A0have paid me 50
> >> Belarusian rubles, since paying in Russian
> currency would be
> >> too obvious, and they wanted to keep it a secret.
> >>
> >> OK, let us be serious here. Ukrainian Insurgent
> Army
> >> commited atrocities on a large scale, in fact
> killing Polish
> >> civilians was the main activity of this
> organization for
> >> several months. Polish Home Army did commit
> crimes, but it
> >> never planned extermination of Polish minorities,
> not to
> >> mention carrying out such a plan.
> >>
> >> UIA is regarded as heroes in Western Ukraine only,
> and
> >> also there older generations call them bandits, as
> this
> >> organization terrorized Ukrainians, and also
> killed
> >> thousands of their fellow countrymen, those who
> did not want
> >> to cooperate/kill their Polish neighbors, just
> look at the
> >> fate of Bulba-Borovets. There are Ukrainian
> sources which
> >> support what I have written. I am shocked that the
> great
> >> nation of Ukraine cannot find different role
> models than
> >> Roman Skuhevych, leader of Sluzba Bezpeky, one of
> the most
> >> murderous and fanatical organizations of WW2.
> >>
> >> It is interesting that the Ukrainian side
> frequently
> >> mentions atrocities commited by the Poles in
> Volhynia, but I
> >> have not seen a single description of these
> massacres with a
> >> date and a location.
> >>
> >> Tymek
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Piotr Konieczny
> >> <piokon@post.pl>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
> >> Subject: Re: [WPM] HELP!! Radek , Piotrus, Tymek
> and
> >> others.
> >> To: "Wikipedia statistics"
> >> <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> >> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 6:42 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> O. G. wrote:
> >> > But in spite of that, for millions of
> Ukrainians UPA
> >> always will be heroes, because they fought for the
> freedom
> >> of their country.
> >>
> >> One men's terrorist is another men's hero, and
> >> there is no denying that.
> >> This is also an attitude of many Lithuanian
> editors, and
> >> presumably a
> >> sentiment shared more widely among the eastern
> countries. I
> >> can
> >> understand and I cannot blame those who after
> Soviet
> >> repression saw
> >> German Nazis as liberators. They couldn't know
> what was
> >> really going on.
> >>
> >> Still, one should be able to admit one made a
> mistake. Just
> >> as Poles
> >> should (and in some instances, did) apologize for
> the
> >> exceptional but
> >> real massacres committed by AK and other Poles
> >> (Jedwabne...), so should
> >> those who threw their lot in with the Nazis and
> worked with
> >> them
> >> apologize for all the suffering that they caused.
> >>
> >> Bottom line is that there is no white and black,
> there are
> >> always
> >> =A0shades
> >> of gray (but shades that can be sometimes
> compared!), and
> >> we have to
> >> admit that many heroes were also, at the same
> time,
> >> criminals.
> >>
> >> > PS I wouldn't be surprised if Russia were
> >> clandestinely financing people in Poland bringing
> this issue
> >> over and over again. Just a guess...
> >>
> >> Good point, again. Let's not loose the sight of
> the
> >> bigger picture.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Piotr Konieczny
> >>
> >> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just
> works in
> >> reality, not in
> >> theory."
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Wikipedia statistics discussion list
> >> folks@wikipedometer.net
> >> http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Wikipedia statistics discussion list
> >> folks@wikipedometer.net
> >> http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks
> >>
> >
> >
> > =A0 =A0
> =A0__________________________________________________________________
> > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of
> Flickr!
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/gift/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikipedia statistics discussion list
> > folks@wikipedometer.net
> > http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks
> >
> =

> _______________________________________________
> Wikipedia statistics discussion list
> folks@wikipedometer.net
> http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks
> =



      __________________________________________________________________
Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! =


http://www.flickr.com/gift/

_______________________________________________
Wikipedia statistics discussion list
folks@wikipedometer.net
http://wikipedometer.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/folks

