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Digwuren, and this is what I mean. Poland should have ceded Gdansk to Germa=
ny, as this city was no more needed by the Poles. We had Gdynia. Of course =
the war would have began sooner or later, but some things would have been d=
ifferent. Surely, these are speculations. But the fact is that Gdansk was o=
f no use to Poland in 1939.=20
=A0
Now more and more Polish historians are speculating "what if .... Poland ha=
d allied with Hitler back then". Until March 1939, both countries actually =
were quite close, with frequent visits of top German diplomats in Warsaw. T=
hen the British began muddying the waters with guarantees they never wanted=
 to keep, and Warsaw changed the course. Again, these are speculations, Hit=
ler never kept his promises, but so did Britain and France, not to mention =
Stalin of course.
=A0
After all, Poland, Estonia and Latvia lost too much in the war, even though=
 Poland was nominally on the victorious side.=20
=A0
Tymek

--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [WPM] Siemaszo/Kresowiacy/Putin/Russian manipulation
To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 2:22 AM



On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 04:34, piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com> wrote:






It is blind stubborness of Polish elite in the 1930s that was one of the re=
asons of WW2, and we have to admit it. After construction of Gdynia, Poland=
 did not need Gdansk any more. It was all about "honor" as Jozef Beck said.=
 We should have allowed Gdansk to become part of Germany, as the city's pop=
ulation wished, and then wait how the events would turn out.


It would not have satisfied Hitler nor discouraged Stalin. =A0Very unlikely=
 to have averted WWII; at most, it could have affected some details.


--=A0Andres Soolo

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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Digwuren, and this is what I mean. Polan=
d should have ceded Gdansk to Germany, as this city was no more needed by t=
he Poles. We had Gdynia. Of course the war would have began sooner or later=
, but some things would have been different. Surely, these are speculations=
. But the fact is that Gdansk was of no use to Poland in 1939. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Now more and more Polish historians are speculating "what if .... Pola=
nd had allied with Hitler back then". Until March 1939, both countries actu=
ally were quite close, with frequent visits of top German diplomats in Wars=
aw. Then the British began muddying the waters with guarantees they never w=
anted to keep, and Warsaw changed the course. Again, these are speculations=
, Hitler never kept his promises, but so did Britain and France, not to men=
tion Stalin of course.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>After all, Poland, Estonia and Latvia lost too much in the war, even t=
hough Poland was nominally on the victorious side. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Tymek<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 8/22/09, Digwuren <I>&lt;digwuren@gmail.co=
m&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
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ect: Re: [WPM] Siemaszo/Kresowiacy/Putin/Russian manipulation<BR>To: "Wikip=
edia statistics" &lt;folks@wikipedometer.net&gt;<BR>Date: Saturday, August =
22, 2009, 2:22 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 04:34, piotr micula <SPAN =
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<DIV>It is blind stubborness of Polish elite in the 1930s that was one of t=
he reasons of WW2, and we have to admit it. After construction of Gdynia, P=
oland did not need Gdansk any more. It was all about "honor" as Jozef Beck =
said. We should have allowed Gdansk to become part of Germany, as the city'=
s population wished, and then wait how the events would turn out.</DIV></TD=
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<DIV>It would not have satisfied Hitler nor discouraged Stalin. &nbsp;Very =
unlikely to have averted WWII; at most, it could have affected some details=
.</DIV>
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