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Also noted the discussion on BLP-nice try from Skapperod-"sources should
state that he is a neo-nazi". A known trick of his. You did not write that
he was neo-nazi. In fact one can be a holocaust denier or German nationalis=
t
without being neo-nazi. It's a common attempt of Skapperod to mud the issue=
.
And common tactic of German nationalists to cover up themselfs as anti-nazi
while publishing nationalist writings.

2009/8/17 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>

> Hi I was away during the weekend.
>
> Radek did you got my previous sources on him ? I sent them to you a while
> ago.
>
> However I did search for new ones and found a couple of useful sources. O=
ne
> is extremely helpful and reliable:
> http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=3D23744
> *By far the most cited secondary source for the DVD-ROM's "background"
> passages is Heinz Nawratil's Schwarzbuch der Vertreibung 1945 bis 1948,
> first published in 1982 and re-issued almost annually ever since.  It is =
an
> unabashedly partisan catalog of German victimization. An excerpt titled
> "Prelude to Expulsion," for example, placed in the midst of video clips
> about the fall of Breslau, provides an account of German-Polish relations
> from 1918 through 1939 that consists exclusively of Polish mistreatment o=
f
> Germans. The bibliography provided by the DVD-ROM is taken directly from =
the
> (then) most recent addition of Nawratil's Schwarzbuch. It includes quite =
a
> few publications by the National Socialist regime but none published in
> eastern Europe, either before or after 1989. Read as a text document, in
> other words, Die Grosse Flucht is jarringly dated and one-sided, a kind o=
f
> time capsule of the rhetoric of the Bund der Vertriebenen circa 1955.*
>
> Here he is friendly named as fellow revisionist:
>
> http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p--4_OKeefe.html
> *
> Dr. Alfred Schickel, one of West Germany's leading Revisionist scholars,
> then receives his due in a mock scolding or diatribe from one of his
> colleagues, his fellow Sudeten German Dr. Heinz Nawratil. The happy occas=
ion
> of Dr. Nawratil's objurgation was the award to Dr. Schickel of one of the
> Bundesrepublik's highest civilian honors: favorable breezes are blowing i=
n
> our favor, and seem to be picking up strengt*h.
>
> The quote in your link I think rather refers to Borszat as criminal
> historians.
>
>
> 2009/8/15 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>:
>
> > The expulsions page got protected on the BLP issue in regard to Heinz
> > Nawratil. So we've got Haar quoting Broszat that Nawratil was extreme
> right
> > wing and we got Nawratil's own writings in the Holocaust denial journal
> but
> > we could use some more for BLP.
> >
> > Can anyone (Molobo?) translate what this says (search for Nawratil):
> >
> >
> http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=3Den&sl=3Dde&u=3Dhttp://www.mo=
narchieliga.de/divers/biblio/iv-criticon.htm&ei=3DucmGSu_sF9zMjAeCr7yiCw&sa=
=3DX&oi=3Dtranslate&resnum=3D9&ct=3Dresult&prev=3D/search%3Fq%3Dheinz%2Bnaw=
ratil%2Bbroszat%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:of=
ficial%26hs%3DRZf%26sa%3DN%26start%3D10
> >
> > Using Babel fish I get something about "criminal historians" but I'm no=
t
> > sure.
> >
> > Also any additional sources for Nawratil's extremism would be very
> welcome.
> >
> > Radek
> >
> >
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Also noted the discussion on BLP-nice try from Skapperod-&quot;sources shou=
ld state that he is a neo-nazi&quot;. A known trick of his. You did not wri=
te that he was neo-nazi. In fact one can be a holocaust denier or German na=
tionalist without being neo-nazi. It&#39;s a common attempt of Skapperod to=
 mud the issue. And common tactic of German nationalists to cover up themse=
lfs as anti-nazi while publishing nationalist writings.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/8/17 Molobo Molobo <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:molobus@gmail.com">molobus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi I was away during the weekend. <br><br>Radek did you got my previous sou=
rces on him ? I sent them to you a while ago.<br><br>However I did search f=
or new ones and found a couple of useful sources. One is extremely helpful =
and reliable:<br>

<a href=3D"http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=3D23744" target=3D"_=
blank">http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=3D23744</a><br><i>By far=
 the most cited secondary source for the DVD-ROM&#39;s &quot;background&quo=
t; passages is Heinz Nawratil&#39;s Schwarzbuch der Vertreibung 1945 bis 19=
48, first published in 1982 and re-issued almost annually ever since. =A0It=
 is an unabashedly partisan catalog of German victimization. An excerpt tit=
led &quot;Prelude to Expulsion,&quot; for example, placed in the midst of v=
ideo clips about the fall of Breslau, provides an account of German-Polish =
relations from 1918 through 1939 that consists exclusively of Polish mistre=
atment of Germans. The bibliography provided by the DVD-ROM is taken direct=
ly from the (then) most recent addition of Nawratil&#39;s Schwarzbuch. It i=
ncludes quite a few publications by the National Socialist regime but none =
published in eastern Europe, either before or after 1989. Read as a text do=
cument, in other words, Die Grosse Flucht is jarringly dated and one-sided,=
 a kind of time capsule of the rhetoric of the Bund der Vertriebenen circa =
1955.</i><br>

<br>Here he is friendly named as fellow revisionist:<br><br><a href=3D"http=
://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p--4_OKeefe.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ih=
r.org/jhr/v10/v10p--4_OKeefe.html</a><br><i><br>Dr. Alfred Schickel, one of=
 West Germany&#39;s leading Revisionist
scholars, then receives his due in a mock scolding or diatribe from one
of his colleagues, his fellow Sudeten German Dr. Heinz Nawratil. The
happy occasion of Dr. Nawratil&#39;s objurgation was the award to Dr.
Schickel of one of the Bundesrepublik&#39;s highest civilian honors:
favorable breezes are blowing in our favor, and seem to be picking up
strengt</i>h.<br><br>The quote in your link I think rather refers to Borsza=
t as criminal historians.<br><br><br>2009/8/15 radek szulga &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rsszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<di=
v>
<div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>&gt; The expulsions page got protected on =
the BLP issue in regard to Heinz<br>
&gt; Nawratil. So we&#39;ve got Haar quoting Broszat that Nawratil was extr=
eme right<br>&gt; wing and we got Nawratil&#39;s own writings in the Holoca=
ust denial journal but<br>&gt; we could use some more for BLP.<br>&gt;<br>

&gt; Can anyone (Molobo?) translate what this says (search for Nawratil):<b=
r>&gt;<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=3Den&a=
mp;sl=3Dde&amp;u=3Dhttp://www.monarchieliga.de/divers/biblio/iv-criticon.ht=
m&amp;ei=3DucmGSu_sF9zMjAeCr7yiCw&amp;sa=3DX&amp;oi=3Dtranslate&amp;resnum=
=3D9&amp;ct=3Dresult&amp;prev=3D/search%3Fq%3Dheinz%2Bnawratil%2Bbroszat%26=
hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DRZf%=
26sa%3DN%26start%3D10" target=3D"_blank">http://translate.google.co.uk/tran=
slate?hl=3Den&amp;sl=3Dde&amp;u=3Dhttp://www.monarchieliga.de/divers/biblio=
/iv-criticon.htm&amp;ei=3DucmGSu_sF9zMjAeCr7yiCw&amp;sa=3DX&amp;oi=3Dtransl=
ate&amp;resnum=3D9&amp;ct=3Dresult&amp;prev=3D/search%3Fq%3Dheinz%2Bnawrati=
l%2Bbroszat%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:offici=
al%26hs%3DRZf%26sa%3DN%26start%3D10</a><br>

&gt;<br>&gt; Using Babel fish I get something about &quot;criminal historia=
ns&quot; but I&#39;m not<br>&gt; sure.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Also any additional =
sources for Nawratil&#39;s extremism would be very welcome.<br>&gt;<br>

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