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	interlocutor") - as they disengaged and eventually withdrew from their
	colonies, they needed someone they could talk to in order to make the
	process more orderly. For instance, their big problem in Algeria was
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	(the King) and Tunisia (Habib Bourguiba), making their withdrawal much
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	was Senghor in Senegal (two of the most stable former colonies, except
	for a brief civil war in the Ivory Coast). Sékou Touré was also one, but
	more troublesome. Ho Chi Minh was not a very good one in Indochina. For
	the British, Jomo Kenyatta in Kenya and Kwame Nkrumah in the Gold Coast
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