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On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 01:02, <PetersJV@aol.com> wrote:

>  Off to about 9 hours of spreadsheet work to prepare for a meeting
> tomorrow... no immediate answers required! That said, I do think we need to
> work on a means for true collaboration for creating content to dispel Nazi,
> Soviet, and Russian myths about the Baltics in WWII and since. Wikipedia is
> the # 1 hit for just about everything. (Andres and the rest, more out loud,
> how about the potential for a suitably named search engine which eliminates
> all wikipedia/wikipedia derived content?)
>

I have been working on a wiki engine, parts of which are becoming ready for
public release.  There's an experimental development installation at <
http://dwiki.mirky.net/>.  Take a look, and if you find any bugs, let me
know.

As soon as the synchronisation and upgrade path issues get a reasonable
solution -- shouldn't take more than a month, probably not ready before the
end of January --, I will set us up a copy for private use.  For one, it can
be a place to store battleplans and comment on them without strangers being
able to misinterpret them, without the volatility of mail in a list.  For
another, the application platform should be capable of hosting the
chart-drawing system that is at Wikipedometer, and also expose some of the
harder-to-chart things such as its internal data storage, which might
develop into some further synergy.  For example, Wikipedometer's data
storage can keep deleted revisions of pages, or full histories of deleted
pages, and weighed "who talks to whom" relation tables may be useful in
figuring out how cabals work.

As for search engine, we are probably not capable of beating Google at its
own game, but we might be able to beat Wikipedia at Slashdot's game, and --
by years of hard work -- possibly even at Google's game.  (Ironically, the
hard work will need to be more about promotion than about content creation.)
 So, for now, we're stuck with Wikipedia, and forced to try and make the
best use of it.

Meanwhile, if you log in to Google, you can tell it which results are good
for any particular search, and which ones shouldn't be there at all.

-- 
Andres Soolo

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br></div><div>I have been working on a wiki engine, parts of which are beco=
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t installation at &lt;<a href=3D"http://dwiki.mirky.net/">http://dwiki.mirk=
y.net/</a>&gt;. &nbsp;Take a look, and if you find any bugs, let me know.</=
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<div><br></div><div>As soon as the synchronisation and upgrade path issues =
get a reasonable solution -- shouldn&#39;t take more than a month, probably=
 not ready before the end of January --, I will set us up a copy for privat=
e use. &nbsp;For one, it can be a place to store battleplans and comment on=
 them without strangers being able to misinterpret them, without the volati=
lity of mail in a list. &nbsp;For another, the application platform should =
be capable of hosting the chart-drawing system that is at Wikipedometer, an=
d also expose some of the harder-to-chart things such as its internal data =
storage, which might develop into some further synergy. &nbsp;For example, =
Wikipedometer&#39;s data storage can keep deleted revisions of pages, or fu=
ll histories of deleted pages, and weighed &quot;who talks to whom&quot; re=
lation tables may be useful in figuring out how cabals work.</div>
<div><br></div><div>As for search engine, we are probably not capable of be=
ating Google at its own game, but we might be able to beat Wikipedia at Sla=
shdot&#39;s game, and -- by years of hard work -- possibly even at Google&#=
39;s game. &nbsp;(Ironically, the hard work will need to be more about prom=
otion than about content creation.) &nbsp;So, for now, we&#39;re stuck with=
 Wikipedia, and forced to try and make the best use of it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Meanwhile, if you log in to Google, you can tell it whi=
ch results are good for any particular search, and which ones shouldn&#39;t=
 be there at all.</div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Andres Soolo<=
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