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On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:12, Sander S=C3=A4de <sander.sade@gmail.com> wrot=
e:

> I left keep with some arguments there - and was promptly attacked by
> Ironholds, who called me a fool. How lovely.


By the way, this reminds me ...

As many funny arguments as I have seen, the idea that it's appropriate to
compare and contrast "communist X" with "capitalist X" has always come from
Communist teachings; often via Soviet education, sometimes via Marxism (or
Marxism-Leninism).  In reality, the concepts just are not related that way.
 It's a "tell" somewhat akin to the Scientologists' routine complaining
about "psychs".

Thus, it's rather interesting that this argument has been made repeatedly i=
n
this AFD: first by Abductive, then by LokiiT, then by Rankiri.  Adding
Triplestop to the mix and considering that besides LokiiT, we haven't
encountered those people before, it seems to indicate that the AFD has been
discussed among some sort of communist-yearning cabal.  That such a cabal
has been managed to avoid detection for several years is quite worrysome.
 The users do not appear to be particularly keen on editing Soviet topics,
so they aren't probably nostalgic ex-Soviets but some sort of Western
"Communism fan club".  Could be Communist Party activists of some West
European or South American country.  Rankiri's interest in Africa is not a
strong clue; it's common of well-meaning Westerners -- from Che Guevara and
Jimmy Carter to Matthias Rath -- to try and fix Africa.  As we all know,
it's often been "fixing" in the veterinarian sense :-P

Who is Ironholds, anyway? His very first edit in April 2008 is adding
> Twinkle to his monobook.js - definitely not an action of a newcomer. I do=
n't
> remember the name popping up ever before - and considering his recent edi=
ts,
> he is preparing to make a bid for adminship (same as Offliner, I suspect)=
.


I don't know.  What holiday happens on August 6th to August 11th?

Going by his interests, he seems to be British.

--=20
Andres Soolo

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:12, Sander S=C3=A4de <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sander.sade@gmail.com">sander.sade@g=
mail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
I left keep with some arguments there - and was promptly attacked by Ironho=
lds, who called me a fool. How lovely.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>By t=
he way, this reminds me ...</div><div><br></div><div>As many funny argument=
s as I have seen, the idea that it&#39;s appropriate to compare and contras=
t &quot;communist X&quot; with &quot;capitalist X&quot; has always come fro=
m Communist teachings; often via Soviet education, sometimes via Marxism (o=
r Marxism-Leninism). =C2=A0In reality, the concepts just are not related th=
at way. =C2=A0It&#39;s a &quot;tell&quot; somewhat akin to the Scientologis=
ts&#39; routine complaining about &quot;psychs&quot;.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thus, it&#39;s rather interesting that this argument ha=
s been made repeatedly in this AFD: first by Abductive, then by LokiiT, the=
n by Rankiri. =C2=A0Adding Triplestop to the mix and considering that besid=
es LokiiT, we haven&#39;t encountered those people before, it seems to indi=
cate that the AFD has been discussed among some sort of communist-yearning =
cabal. =C2=A0That such a cabal has been managed to avoid detection for seve=
ral years is quite worrysome. =C2=A0The users do not appear to be particula=
rly keen on editing Soviet topics, so they aren&#39;t probably nostalgic ex=
-Soviets but some sort of Western &quot;Communism fan club&quot;. =C2=A0Cou=
ld be Communist Party activists of some West European or South American cou=
ntry. =C2=A0Rankiri&#39;s interest in Africa is not a strong clue; it&#39;s=
 common of well-meaning Westerners -- from Che Guevara and Jimmy Carter to =
Matthias Rath -- to try and fix Africa. =C2=A0As we all know, it&#39;s ofte=
n been &quot;fixing&quot; in the veterinarian sense :-P</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Who is Ironholds, anyway? Hi=
s very first edit in April 2008 is adding Twinkle to his monobook.js - defi=
nitely not an action of a newcomer. I don&#39;t remember the name popping u=
p ever before - and considering his recent edits, he is preparing to make a=
 bid for adminship (same as Offliner, I suspect).</blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t know. =C2=A0What holiday happens on August =
6th to August 11th?</div><div><br></div><div>Going by his interests, he see=
ms to be British.</div><div><br></div></div>-- <br>Andres Soolo<br>

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