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*I am sure that if there would be a way to choose between returning to the
pre-1939 situation or receiving 600 billion dollars*

The two are unconnected-Polish territorial changes were compensation by the
Allies for loss of its eastern territories(among other things).  They are
not part of reperations for war damages.

*Only honest remorse can.*

Which Germany has failed to show by rehabilitating Nazis and continuing to
treat colonists as victims because they were removed(just two examples).

2009/9/2 Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>

>
>
>>>
>> It is not quite as simple.  The Three Powers still held a lot of sway in
>> West Germany's affairs -- remember, the Allied Occupation Force only had the
>> American, English and French zones incorporated into West Germany in spring
>> of 1949 -- and they held enough leverage to remove anybody who would have
>> overtly restarted advocating "restoration of the glory of the Third Reich".
>>  So, even if he had wanted to overtly restore Nazi Germany, he would not
>> have succeeded.  Besides, as a political prisoner under Nazi rule, why would
>> he?
>>
>> While Adenauer was a rather complex politician, a common thread in his
>> policy was separating Germany's dark history from the (then current)
>> present.  It is true that he stepped into questionable waters more than
>> once, but Nazi he was not.  (As the Cold War flamed, Soviet propaganda
>> attempted to paint him as one, nevertheless.)
>>
>
> I agree with both of the above points made by Andres.
>
> > I always wondered what would came of this "wunder" if Germany had to pay
> war
> > reperations to Poland (estimated at around 600 billion dollars).
>
> Czechoslavakia, Hungary and Poland, if I remember correctly, made proposals
> in 1990-91 for the USSR to pay reparations for damage produced by the Soviet
> troops during their stay. That came in response to Soviet claims that Soviet
> troops leave infrastructure in these countries. But it was obvious to
> everyone that the thing that these nations wanted was Soviets out, not
> money.
>
> I am sure that if there would be a way to choose between returning to the
> pre-1939 situation or receiving 600 billion dollars, the moral choice (at
> least) would be obvious to everybody. No money can buy off innocent blood.
> Only honest remorse can. That's why we need time to pass so people can
> mature.
>
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<br><i>I am sure that if there would be a way to choose between returning t=
o the pre-1939 situation or receiving 600 billion dollars</i><br><br>The tw=
o are unconnected-Polish territorial changes were compensation by the Allie=
s for loss of its eastern territories(among other things).=A0 They are not =
part of reperations for war damages.<br>
<br> <i>Only honest remorse can.</i><br><br>Which Germany has failed to sho=
w by rehabilitating Nazis and continuing to treat colonists as victims beca=
use they were removed(just two examples).<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>
2009/9/2 Dorin Cheptea <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dorin.chepte=
a@gmail.com">dorin.cheptea@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0=
pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt=
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margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>It is not quite as simple. =A0The Th=
ree Powers still held a lot of sway in West Germany&#39;s affairs -- rememb=
er, the Allied Occupation Force only had the American, English and French z=
ones incorporated into West Germany in spring of 1949 -- and they held enou=
gh leverage to remove anybody who would have overtly restarted advocating &=
quot;restoration of the glory of the Third Reich&quot;. =A0So, even if he h=
ad wanted to overtly restore Nazi Germany, he would not have succeeded. =A0=
Besides, as a political prisoner under Nazi rule, why would he?</div>


<div><br></div><div>While Adenauer was a rather complex politician, a commo=
n thread in his policy was separating Germany&#39;s dark history from the (=
then current) present. =A0It is true that he stepped into questionable wate=
rs more than once, but Nazi he was not. =A0(As the Cold War flamed, Soviet =
propaganda attempted to paint him as one, nevertheless.)</div>

</div></blockquote><div><span style=3D"border-collapse: collapse;"><span st=
yle=3D"border-collapse: separate;"><br></span></span></div></div></div><div=
>I agree with both of the above points made by Andres.</div><div class=3D"i=
m">

<div><span style=3D"border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></div><div><span=
 style=3D"border-collapse: collapse;">&gt; I always wondered what would cam=
e of this &quot;wunder&quot; if Germany had to pay war=A0</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"border-collapse: collapse;">&gt; reperations to Poland =
(estimated at around 600 billion dollars).</span>=A0</div><div><br></div></=
div><div>Czechoslavakia, Hungary and Poland, if I remember correctly, made =
proposals in 1990-91 for the USSR to pay reparations for damage produced by=
 the Soviet troops during their stay. That came in response to Soviet claim=
s that Soviet troops leave infrastructure in these countries. But it was ob=
vious to everyone that the thing that these nations wanted was Soviets out,=
 not money.</div>

<div><br></div><div>I am sure that if there would be a way to choose betwee=
n returning to the pre-1939 situation or receiving 600 billion dollars, the=
 moral choice (at least) would be obvious to everybody. No money can buy of=
f innocent blood. Only honest remorse can. That&#39;s why we need time to p=
ass so people can mature.</div>

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