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	Content preview: There seem to be some propaganda pushing going in the
	article. Molobo was correct that the background section pointedly did
	not mention anything about issues such as Polish history or existing
	Polish minorities (and hence, Polish names) for the Regained
	Territories. HM seems to be rather unhappy that I dared to add such
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	sources (it will be DYKed soon and it would be a shame if the DYKed
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	renamed their lands...). [...] 
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	Polish minorities (and hence, Polish names) for the Regained
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	renamed their lands...). [...] 
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There seem to be some propaganda pushing going in the article. Molobo 
was correct that the background section pointedly did not mention 
anything about issues such as Polish history or existing Polish 
minorities (and hence, Polish names) for the Regained Territories. HM 
seems to be rather unhappy that I dared to add such information, and 
unfortunately I am missing sources for that, so I'd like to ask 
interested editors to try to expand this article with sources (it will 
be DYKed soon and it would be a shame if the DYKed version was the one 
that focuses on how Poles expelled Germans and renamed their lands...).

And yes, I am fully aware that this region SHARES history between Poland 
and Germany. The key point is SHARED, and please remember that. As Tymek 
points out, not all settlements can be traced to Polish times, but there 
is no denying that many can.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_for_Settling_of_Place_Names


-- 
Piotr Konieczny

"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in 
theory."

Molobo Molobo wrote:
> Oh I wanted to report this as propaganda to folks here.
> 
> Tonight I am still a bit tired from the weekend-few issues-the article 
> avoids mentioning background of the situation, that several Polish names 
> have been previously changed to German ones by German officials in 
> German Empire, and Nazi Germany. The commissions work has also been to 
> reverse this. Herkus of course is not interested in mentioning that. The 
> article barely mentions that all the work was in regards to de-facto 
> Polish territories, and besides officially changed names the commission 
> was also trying to restore names from before Germanization.
> Polish version mentions that the Commission restored or introduced  
> 32.000 names for settlements and 3 geographic names.
> 
> http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komisja_Ustalania_Nazw_Miejscowo%C5%9Bci
> 
> 
> 2009/8/23 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>
> 
>     How's the article on the Nazi commission for expelled coming?
> 
>     In the meantime, German editor HerkusMonte has created
>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Committee_for_Settling_of_Place_Names
>     It is also nominated for DYK
>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know#Polish_Committee_for_Settling_of_Place_Names
> 
>     At first glance I don't see any obvious propaganda, but our experts on
>     the Polish-German history may want to take a closer look at it.
> 
>     Herkus is quite active recently, he has done a lot of edits to
>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Prussian_plebiscite
>     created a series of bios, some of them of Polish historians and writers,
>     and added a lot of German names to geographical places in Regained
>     Territories (not that I have any problem with that).
> 
>     --
>     Piotr Konieczny
> 
>     "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
>     theory."
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