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Yes, Kupredu is definitely a sock of JP, but UP is probably not. I would
believe that UP was an American (although not a student), unless he jumped
on Novodvorskaya. She is hardly known to anyone in the US excluding
Russians, but she is a favorite target of Russian Chekists, because she is
so against them and very often appears in a couple of remaining opposition
news sites. If to count "anti-Chekism" in numbers, I would give 1 to
Latynina and Albats, 5 to Politkovskaya, and 10 to Novodvorskaya.

On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Martin <martint20@gmail.com> wrote:

> Perhaps we should keep a watch on these identities, gather more
> evidence, then submit an SPI report via a friendly clerk if needed
> sometime in the future.
>
> Martin
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Back to UsernamePassword... He is obviously not a newby, but I do not
> know
> > whose
> > sock he really is. He came from a geographical location different from
> both
> > Anonimu
> > (although he and his IP edited Voronin!) and Jacob Peters. Many
> left-wingers
> > know writings by Lenin; so  this is not a proof of anything.
> >
> > I can submit an SPI report, but only if there is some real proof (almost
> > identical phrases/expressions with Peters or whatever). I do not want to
> > investigate him myself, since he is not a significant problem, at least
> for
> > me.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Miacek and his crime-fighting dog
> > <miacek08@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> A cunning fox he was ;-)
> >>
> >> I just checked this
> >>
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis&oldid=4543500
> ,
> >> yes, it's extremely anti-Yeltsin POVed.
> >>
> >> He seemed to be an open 'anti-neoliberal'
> >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:172&oldid=3271525),
> >> but as for communist affiliations, I'm not sure.
> >>
> >> M.
> >>
> >> On 11/05/2009, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > No, 172 was an extremely biased Communist editor. He edited Robert
> >> > Mugabe
> >> > precisely like Jacob Peters
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_Mugabe&diff=prev&oldid=637588
> >> >
> >> > and he tried to unilaterally delete the entire article about
> >> > Decommunisation
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decommunization_in_Russia&diff=183125655&oldid=182945938
> >> >
> >> > Also see his edits here
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_Stalin&diff=prev&oldid=546036
> >> >
> >> > He inserts: "..credited the Stalin regime with abandoning the tsarist
> >> > policy
> >> > of persecuting national minorities in favor of a policy of
> tolerance..."
> >> > without any refs (and we know what
> >> > Stalin actually did with minorities)
> >> >
> >> > And so on, and so on. Yes, he pretend to be a neutral editor at
> several
> >> > occasions and even fooled Ultramarine around.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Miacek and his crime-fighting dog <
> >> > miacek08@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> 172 is a different matter, he's clearly no communist he's a
> >> >> professional historian and seems to have retired from wiki by now
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Constanz&diff=52096717&oldid=52096687
> >> >>
> >> >> M.
> >> >>
> >> >> On 11/05/2009, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 18:33, Christian Suciu
> >> >> > <christiansuciu@yahoo.com>wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> 95% of Anonimu's edits concerned Romania. So unless he's
> >> >> >> significantly
> >> >> >> expanded his interests, it's likely not him.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Would you consider it plausible that UsernamePassword might be what
> >> >> Anonimu
> >> >> > would be if he moved to USA to study at some East Coast university?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If not, we'll have to concentrate on the remaining possibilities.
> >> >> >  Jacob
> >> >> > Peters looks most promising, and Moreschi has considerable
> experience
> >> >> with
> >> >> > him.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Incidentally, Hans Adler's interest in this matter is curious.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
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> >> >> >
> >> >>
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Yes, Kupredu is definitely a sock of JP, but UP is probably not. I would be=
lieve that UP was an American (although not a student), unless he jumped on=
 Novodvorskaya. She is hardly known to anyone in the US excluding Russians,=
 but she is a favorite target of Russian Chekists, because she is so agains=
t them and very often appears in a couple of remaining opposition news site=
s. If to count &quot;anti-Chekism&quot; in numbers, I would give 1 to Latyn=
ina and Albats, 5 to Politkovskaya, and 10 to Novodvorskaya. =A0 <br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Martin <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martint20@gmail.com">martint20@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-le=
ft: 1ex;">
Perhaps we should keep a watch on these identities, gather more<br>
evidence, then submit an SPI report via a friendly clerk if needed<br>
sometime in the future.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Martin<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Andrei Dombay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibi=
ophys@gmail.com">wikibiophys@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Back to UsernamePassword... He is obviously not a newby, but I do not =
know<br>
&gt; whose<br>
&gt; sock he really is. He came from a geographical location different from=
 both<br>
&gt; Anonimu<br>
&gt; (although he and his IP edited Voronin!) and Jacob Peters. Many left-w=
ingers<br>
&gt; know writings by Lenin; so =A0this is not a proof of anything.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I can submit an SPI report, but only if there is some real proof (almo=
st<br>
&gt; identical phrases/expressions with Peters or whatever). I do not want =
to<br>
&gt; investigate him myself, since he is not a significant problem, at leas=
t for<br>
&gt; me.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Miacek and his crime-fighting dog<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:miacek08@googlemail.com">miacek08@googlemail.com=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; A cunning fox he was ;-)<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I just checked this<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3D1993_Russia=
n_constitutional_crisis&amp;oldid=3D4543500" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wi=
kipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3D1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis&amp;oldi=
d=3D4543500</a>,<br>

&gt;&gt; yes, it&#39;s extremely anti-Yeltsin POVed.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; He seemed to be an open &#39;anti-neoliberal&#39;<br>
&gt;&gt; (<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser:172&a=
mp;oldid=3D3271525" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?t=
itle=3DUser:172&amp;oldid=3D3271525</a>),<br>
&gt;&gt; but as for communist affiliations, I&#39;m not sure.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; M.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On 11/05/2009, Andrei Dombay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gma=
il.com">wikibiophys@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; No, 172 was an extremely biased Communist editor. He edited R=
obert<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Mugabe<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; precisely like Jacob Peters<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DRobert=
_Mugabe&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D637588" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wik=
ipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DRobert_Mugabe&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D63=
7588</a><br>

&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; and he tried to unilaterally delete the entire article about<=
br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Decommunisation<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DDecomm=
unization_in_Russia&amp;diff=3D183125655&amp;oldid=3D182945938" target=3D"_=
blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DDecommunization_in_Russi=
a&amp;diff=3D183125655&amp;oldid=3D182945938</a><br>

&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Also see his edits here<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DJoseph=
_Stalin&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D546036" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wik=
ipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DJoseph_Stalin&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D54=
6036</a><br>

&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; He inserts: &quot;..credited the Stalin regime with abandonin=
g the tsarist<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; policy<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; of persecuting national minorities in favor of a policy of to=
lerance...&quot;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; without any refs (and we know what<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Stalin actually did with minorities)<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; And so on, and so on. Yes, he pretend to be a neutral editor =
at several<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; occasions and even fooled Ultramarine around.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Miacek and his crime-fighti=
ng dog &lt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:miacek08@googlemail.com">miacek08@googlemai=
l.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 172 is a different matter, he&#39;s clearly no communist =
he&#39;s a<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; professional historian and seems to have retired from wik=
i by now<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUs=
er_talk:Constanz&amp;diff=3D52096717&amp;oldid=3D52096687" target=3D"_blank=
">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Constanz&amp;diff=
=3D52096717&amp;oldid=3D52096687</a><br>

&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; M.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On 11/05/2009, Digwuren &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gm=
ail.com">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 18:33, Christian Suciu<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:christiansuciu@yahoo.com">chri=
stiansuciu@yahoo.com</a>&gt;wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 95% of Anonimu&#39;s edits concerned Romania. So=
 unless he&#39;s<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; significantly<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; expanded his interests, it&#39;s likely not him.=
<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Would you consider it plausible that UsernamePasswor=
d might be what<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Anonimu<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; would be if he moved to USA to study at some East Co=
ast university?<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; If not, we&#39;ll have to concentrate on the remaini=
ng possibilities.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; =A0Jacob<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Peters looks most promising, and Moreschi has consid=
erable experience<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; with<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; him.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Incidentally, Hans Adler&#39;s interest in this matt=
er is curious.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Andres Soolo<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
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