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I personally think she did a terrible job, up to providing a forged diff,
see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thatcher&diff=298178670&oldid=298166016

although I did not notice this from the beginning;  so I will not comment.
Was it a good move on the part of Offliner? That depends on what kind of
person she is, and if she understands what is going on here.  Most probably
that was good move on his part.

Did we lost? Yes, I think we did.


On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl> wrote:

> PetersJV@aol.com wrote:
> > In a message dated 6/28/2009 4:19:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > digwuren@gmail.com writes:
> >
> >     apparently, Offliner has given Shell Kinney a barnstar.  It would
> >     seem he thinks that the Cartel won this round.  What might be the
> >     criteria he used for evaluation?
> >
> >     Also, considering the Wikipedia maxim that neutrality means no side
> >     is happy, can this be used to demonstrate Shell Kinney's
> >     non-neutrality in a future battle?
> >
> > I think Shell Kinney can be an asset, you'll note she was not kind to
> > Offliner, and it is true he's the only one who has done anything
> > off-our-topic. I've corresponded off-Wiki with Shell Kinney and found
> > them receptive to my characterization of shopping for admins on
> > their talk pages, et al. Personally, I'm taking this as a suck-up
> > curry-favor I'm-trying-to-be-good move by Offliner, quite creative, but
> > I would not put any stock in it (at least for now) as a thanks for any
> > sort of favoritism.
>
> Agreed. I suggest that we support Offliner, write on her page that we
> agree with him that she has handled that well, albeit a question or two
> about what she thinks about sanctions for Colchium and Radek wouldn't be
> amiss there.
>
> --
> Piotr Konieczny
>
> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
> theory."
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I personally think she did a terrible job, up to providing a forged diff, s=
ee here: <br><br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUse=
r_talk:Thatcher&amp;diff=3D298178670&amp;oldid=3D298166016">http://en.wikip=
edia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Thatcher&amp;diff=3D298178670&amp;ol=
did=3D298166016</a><br>
<br>although I did not notice this from the beginning;=A0 so I will not com=
ment.=A0 Was it a good move on the part of Offliner? That depends on what k=
ind of person she is, and if she understands what is going on here.=A0 Most=
 probably that was good move on his part.<br>
<br>Did we lost? Yes, I think we did.<br>=A0<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Piotr Konieczny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
piokon@post.pl&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; p=
adding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im"><a href=3D"mailto:PetersJV@aol.com">PetersJV@aol.com</a> =
wrote:<br>
&gt; In a message dated 6/28/2009 4:19:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmail.com</a> writes:<b=
r>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 apparently, Offliner has given Shell Kinney a barnstar. =A0It =
would<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 seem he thinks that the Cartel won this round. =A0What might b=
e the<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 criteria he used for evaluation?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 Also, considering the Wikipedia maxim that neutrality means no=
 side<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 is happy, can this be used to demonstrate Shell Kinney&#39;s<b=
r>
&gt; =A0 =A0 non-neutrality in a future battle?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I think Shell Kinney can be an asset, you&#39;ll note she was not kind=
 to<br>
&gt; Offliner, and it is true he&#39;s the only one who has done anything<b=
r>
&gt; off-our-topic. I&#39;ve corresponded off-Wiki with Shell Kinney and fo=
und<br>
&gt; them receptive to my characterization of shopping for admins on<br>
&gt; their talk pages, et al. Personally, I&#39;m taking this as a suck-up<=
br>
&gt; curry-favor I&#39;m-trying-to-be-good move by Offliner, quite creative=
, but<br>
&gt; I would not put any stock in it (at least for now) as a thanks for any=
<br>
&gt; sort of favoritism.<br>
<br>
</div>Agreed. I suggest that we support Offliner, write on her page that we=
<br>
agree with him that she has handled that well, albeit a question or two<br>
about what she thinks about sanctions for Colchium and Radek wouldn&#39;t b=
e<br>
amiss there.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Piotr Konieczny<br>
<br>
&quot;The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in=
<br>
theory.&quot;<br>
<br>
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