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On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 09:41, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:

> to think that "those foreigners, they all hate us" every now and then.  If
> this were not done, people might get used to foreign press; some might
> actually start reading it directly -- obviously, a doubleplusungood
> proposition.  As it is, foreign press is usually only read directly by
> independent intelligentsia -- which in this context covers the requirement
> to be able to read the foreign language in question --, who has never been a
> major player in
>

I was unclear here.

"Directly" does not necessarily mean "pick up the paper and read it" here.
 It means "without going through state-sanctioned selection and translation
service".  Google Translate is one option to bypass InoSMI for a Russian who
does not read French or English or German on his own.  Having a friend who
*does* read the language translate it is another option, and has been around
for quite a bit longer than Google Translate.  But if the "regular people"
consider the thought of reading foreign press weird and unthinkable in
itself -- which is achieved by the sock puppet circus --, very few people
will want to bypass the gatekeeper even occasionally, let alone regularly.

-- 
Andres Soolo

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 09:41, Digwuren <span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">to think that &quot;those fore=
igners, they all hate us&quot; every now and then. =C2=A0If this were not d=
one, people might get used to foreign press; some might actually start read=
ing it directly -- obviously, a doubleplusungood proposition. =C2=A0As it i=
s, foreign press is usually only read directly by independent intelligentsi=
a -- which in this context covers the requirement to be able to read the fo=
reign language in question --, who has never been a major player in</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I was unclear here.</div><div><br></=
div><div>&quot;Directly&quot; does not necessarily mean &quot;pick up the p=
aper and read it&quot; here. =C2=A0It means &quot;without going through sta=
te-sanctioned selection and translation service&quot;. =C2=A0Google Transla=
te is one option to bypass InoSMI for a Russian who does not read French or=
 English or German on his own. =C2=A0Having a friend who *does* read the la=
nguage translate it is another option, and has been around for quite a bit =
longer than Google Translate. =C2=A0But if the &quot;regular people&quot; c=
onsider the thought of reading foreign press weird and unthinkable in itsel=
f -- which is achieved by the sock puppet circus --, very few people will w=
ant to bypass the gatekeeper even occasionally, let alone regularly.</div>
<div><br></div></div>-- <br>Andres Soolo<br>

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