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Thank you guys for information.
Jacurek

--- On Thu, 6/18/09, Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [WPM] Question regarding Thorsten1
To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 5:59 AM


Falls into "Germans are superior Europeans" camp. He is left-wing, claimed =
to study in Wroc=C5=82aw. Supports extreme left in Poland, considers all cl=
aims of communist involvment of Polish left figureheads "propaganda" or "un=
due". He was furious when facts about Bauman's role in fighting for Stalini=
sts in Poland. Considers=C2=A0 Poles writing about this or German nationali=
sm to be "Radio Maryja fanatics" who are antisemities. In short-he uses com=
mon German stereotype to denounce anybody coming from Poland not confirming=
 to his world view. He is prone to insults and insulting remarks-so you can=
 likely get him after a while to fall under sanctions if you start discussi=
ng some topics with him.=20

Note that he confirms the radicalisation theory. While left-wing, during di=
scussions about Nazi history he started defending certain aspects of that h=
istory and accusing Poles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk:Invasion_of_Poland_(1939)&=
diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D221438891

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk:Invasion_of_Poland_(1939)&=
diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D220572742

As well as supporting German nationalists:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk:Polish_death_camp_controve=
rsy&diff=3Dprev&oldid=3D285828213

He will also oppose any claim that there is nationalism in Germany or that =
Germans care for national issues, including removal of such information
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DAnti-Polish_sentiment&diff=3Dpr=
ev&oldid=3D20635345



2009/6/17 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>




jacurek@yahoo.com wrote:
> I was just wondering if you guys can comment on user Thorsten1
> _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thorsten1_.
> Who is this guy? He seems to be interested in Polish related articles,
> claims to speak Polish but at the same time he is so anti-Polish. Your
> experience and comments regarding him would be appreciated. Thanks guys.

He was inactive in Polish topics for quite a long time, he almost never
initiates conflicts (content or otherwise) and overall I consider him
just a "minor pest". Perhaps Molobo will know more, as it seems T1
really "has it in" for him. Hopefully with Molobo's ban T1 will go back
to doing whatever it is that he usually does, and stop bothering us.

--
Piotr Konieczny

"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
theory."

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<DIV>Jacurek<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 6/18/09, Molobo Molobo <I>&lt;molobus@gm=
ail.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Subject: Re: [WPM] Question regarding Thorsten1<BR>To: "Wikipedia statistic=
s" &lt;folks@wikipedometer.net&gt;<BR>Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 5:59 A=
M<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1360382431>Falls into "Germans are superior Europeans" camp. H=
e is left-wing, claimed to study in Wroc=C5=82aw. Supports extreme left in =
Poland, considers all claims of communist involvment of Polish left figureh=
eads "propaganda" or "undue". He was furious when facts about Bauman's role=
 in fighting for Stalinists in Poland. Considers&nbsp; Poles writing about =
this or German nationalism to be "Radio Maryja fanatics" who are antisemiti=
es. In short-he uses common German stereotype to denounce anybody coming fr=
om Poland not confirming to his world view. He is prone to insults and insu=
lting remarks-so you can likely get him after a while to fall under sanctio=
ns if you start discussing some topics with him. <BR><BR>Note that he confi=
rms the radicalisation theory. While left-wing, during discussions about Na=
zi history he started defending certain aspects of that history and accusin=
g Poles:<BR><BR><A
 href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk:Invasion_of_Polan=
d_(1939)&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D221438891" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofol=
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39)&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D221438891</A><BR><BR><A href=3D"http://en.w=
ikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk:Invasion_of_Poland_(1939)&amp;diff=3D=
prev&amp;oldid=3D220572742" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikipe=
dia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk:Invasion_of_Poland_(1939)&amp;diff=3Dprev&=
amp;oldid=3D220572742</A><BR><BR>As well as supporting German nationalists:=
<BR><A href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTalk:Polish_deat=
h_camp_controversy&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D285828213" target=3D_blank r=
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also oppose any claim that there is nationalism in Germany or that Germans =
care for national issues, including removal of
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=3DAnti-Polish_sentiment&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D20635345" target=3D_bl=
ank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DAnti-Polish_=
sentiment&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D20635345</A><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>2009/6/17 Piotr Konieczny <SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;piok=
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acurek@yahoo.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow ymailto=3D"mailto:jacurek@=
yahoo.com">jacurek@yahoo.com</A> wrote:<BR>&gt; I was just wondering if you=
 guys can comment on user Thorsten1<BR>&gt; _<A href=3D"http://en.wikipedia=
..org/wiki/User_talk:Thorsten1_" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollow>http://en.wi=
kipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thorsten1_</A>.<BR>&gt; Who is this guy? He seem=
s to be interested in Polish related articles,<BR>&gt; claims to speak Poli=
sh but at the same time he is so anti-Polish. Your<BR>&gt; experience and c=
omments regarding him would be appreciated. Thanks guys.<BR><BR></DIV></DIV=
>He was inactive in Polish topics for quite a long time, he almost never<BR=
>initiates conflicts (content or otherwise) and overall I consider him<BR>j=
ust a "minor pest". Perhaps Molobo will know more, as it seems T1<BR>really=
 "has it in" for him. Hopefully with Molobo's ban T1 will go back<BR>to doi=
ng whatever
 it is that he usually does, and stop bothering us.<BR><BR>--<BR>Piotr Koni=
eczny<BR><BR>"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality=
, not in<BR>theory."<BR><BR>_______________________________________________=
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