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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:22:44 -0400
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From: Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>
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Yes, I think that is exactly what had happened. However, I still believe
that there is a Russian state propaganda team in WP, and this team has a
direct order not to allow the MOST damaging information to appear on the
internet, and that critical information is Russian apartment bombings
conducted by the FSB (and also Litvinenko and other related things).

Watch  what will happen.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 23:14, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl> wrote:
>
>> I think somebody should investigate (ask on commons... maybe on IRC?)
>> how one can remove ("gray") and old file. I don't think Russavia is a
>> Commons admin, and nothing in his logs looks strange:
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Russavia
>> If the graying out is was out of protocol or illegal, that would be
>> interesting :)
>
>
> According to logs, Russavia didn't delete the old version, Lar did.  It's
> plausible that Russavia requested it claiming it contained his personal
> information, resulting in Lar doing it under the ordinary protocol regarding
> primary information.  After all, Wikipedia prefers its editors anonymous.
>
> There's another possible reason that might have triggered Russavia's
> paranoia.  Remember when I googled for Mr. Bibby's name, and found a few
> companies?  I'm fairly sure that others did it, too.  However, such clicking
> can -- via referer logging -- pass the search keywords to the websites.  Any
> savvy web marketer is likely to watch through frequent search words
> regularly.
>
> If Russavia actually works for one of these companies, then a sudden spike
> of people arriving to its website by his name rather than the more usual
> keywords could have looked out of place, leading him to feel being stalked,
> and needing some more privacy on Wikipedia.
>
> --
> Andres Soolo
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Yes, I think that is exactly what had happened. However, I still believe th=
at there is a Russian state propaganda team in WP, and this team has a dire=
ct order not to allow the MOST damaging information to appear on the intern=
et, and that critical information is Russian apartment bombings conducted b=
y the FSB (and also Litvinenko and other related things).<br>
<br>Watch=A0 what will happen. <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, A=
pr 28, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Digwuren <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:di=
gwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); ma=
rgin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 23:14,=
 Piotr Konieczny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

<div>I think somebody should investigate (ask on commons... maybe on IRC?)<=
br></div>
how one can remove (&quot;gray&quot;) and old file. I don&#39;t think Russa=
via is a<br>
Commons admin, and nothing in his logs looks strange:<br>
<a href=3D"http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DSpecial:Log&amp=
;user=3DRussavia" target=3D"_blank">http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.ph=
p?title=3DSpecial:Log&amp;user=3DRussavia</a><br>
If the graying out is was out of protocol or illegal, that would be<br>
interesting :)</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>According to logs, Rus=
savia didn&#39;t delete the old version, Lar did. =A0It&#39;s plausible tha=
t Russavia requested it claiming it contained his personal information, res=
ulting in Lar doing it under the ordinary protocol regarding primary inform=
ation. =A0After all, Wikipedia prefers its editors anonymous.</div>

<div><br></div><div>There&#39;s another possible reason that might have tri=
ggered Russavia&#39;s paranoia. =A0Remember when I googled for Mr. Bibby&#3=
9;s name, and found a few companies? =A0I&#39;m fairly sure that others did=
 it, too. =A0However, such clicking can -- via referer logging -- pass the =
search keywords to the websites. =A0Any savvy web marketer is likely to wat=
ch through frequent search words regularly.</div>

<div><br></div><div>If Russavia actually works for one of these companies, =
then a sudden spike of people arriving to its website by his name rather th=
an the more usual keywords could have looked out of place, leading him to f=
eel being stalked, and needing some more privacy on Wikipedia.</div>

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