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	Content preview: He is nuts and acts on impulse. What bothers me about
	Lokyz is his extreme anti-Polonism. Radek knows something about it..
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He is nuts and acts on impulse. What bothers me about Lokyz is his extreme =
anti-Polonism.=A0Radek knows something about it..=A0especially=A0removal of=
 all Polish names from Lithuanian-Polish related articles bothers me a lot.=
 Perhaps, as per Piotrus suggestion, I should wait, since by reporting him =
I may get in trouble myself. His recent behavior as well as calling me "Dix=
i" and asking me to get lost from his talk page may be used against him lat=
er, right?=A0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lokyz=A0=A0
--- On Sun, 8/16/09, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:

From: radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [WPM] Can Lokyz be reported?
To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 4:35 AM

On this one I think some of Lokyz edits are disruptive enough (was he drunk=
 or something?) that Jacurek's reversion are ok. Trying to delete an articl=
e by replacing it with a redirect is a pretty serious matter. I'd say go fo=
r it.
=0A
Radek


2009/8/16 Digwuren <digwuren@gmail.com>
=0AOn Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:39, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl> wrote:
=0A=0AJack wrote:
=0A> Can Lokyz be reported? He reverted 5 times? Radek?
=0A> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DLithuanian_collaboration_d=
uring_World_War_II&action=3Dhistory
=0A=0A=0A
=0AAnd how many times you reverted...? I am too tired to check the details
=0Abut history implies 4, and remember - even three can get you in trouble.
=0AIn other words, if you have to revert 3 times, you are making your
=0Aopponent reverts meaningless, since you are in danger of getting a
=0Adouble block :((
Maybe, it can still be helped.
How about this kind of approach:
* Jacurek self-reverts to Lokyz' version, then reports and explicitly says =
in the report that he got carried away, but self-reverted as soon as he rea=
lised it's an editwar;=0A=0A* with a little bit of luck, the passingby admi=
nistrator takes it into account;:* if Jacurek gets blocked, it can be reaso=
nably argued that such a block has no preventive utility, which may lead to=
 reversal;=0A=0A* once Lokyz is blocked, somebody else points out that Loky=
z' redirect is patently silly and restores the content.
It's risky, but could it work?
--=20
=0AAndres Soolo
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;">He is nuts and acts on impulse. What bothers =
me about Lokyz is his extreme anti-Polonism.&nbsp;Radek knows something abo=
ut it..<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Baskerville; =
font-size: medium; font-weight: 600; ">&nbsp;especially</span>&nbsp;removal=
 of all Polish names from Lithuanian-Polish related articles bothers me a l=
ot. Perhaps, as per Piotrus suggestion, I should wait, since by reporting h=
im I may get in trouble myself. His recent behavior as well as calling me "=
Dixi" and asking me to get lost from his talk page may be used against him =
later, right?&nbsp;<div>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lokyz</div><=
div>&nbsp;&nbsp;<div><br>--- On <b>Sun, 8/16/09, radek szulga <i>&lt;rsszul=
ga@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px so=
lid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: radek=
 szulga
 &lt;rsszulga@gmail.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [WPM] Can Lokyz be reported?<br=
>To: "Wikipedia statistics" &lt;folks@wikipedometer.net&gt;<br>Date: Sunday=
, August 16, 2009, 4:35 AM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv1259689969">On this one I t=
hink some of Lokyz edits are disruptive enough (was he drunk or something?)=
 that Jacurek's reversion are ok. Trying to delete an article by replacing =
it with a redirect is a pretty serious matter. I'd say go for it.<br>=0A<br=
>Radek<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/8/16 Digwuren <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Ddigwuren@gmail.com">digwuren@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left=
:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;">=
=0A<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:=
39, Piotr Konieczny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;">=0A=0A<div>Jack wro=
te:<br>=0A&gt; Can Lokyz be reported? He reverted 5 times? Radek?<br>=0A&gt=
; <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/i=
ndex.php?title=3DLithuanian_collaboration_during_World_War_II&amp;action=3D=
history">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DLithuanian_collaborati=
on_during_World_War_II&amp;action=3Dhistory</a><br>=0A=0A=0A<br>=0A</div>An=
d how many times you reverted...? I am too tired to check the details<br>=
=0Abut history implies 4, and remember - even three can get you in trouble.=
<br>=0AIn other words, if you have to revert 3 times, you are making your<b=
r>=0Aopponent reverts meaningless, since you are in danger of getting a<br>=
=0Adouble block :((</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Maybe, it can sti=
ll be helped.</div><div><br></div><div>How about this kind of approach:</di=
v><div><br></div><div>* Jacurek self-reverts to Lokyz' version, then report=
s and explicitly says in the report that he got carried away, but self-reve=
rted as soon as he realised it's an editwar;</div>=0A=0A<div>* with a littl=
e bit of luck, the passingby administrator takes it into account;</div><div=
>:* if Jacurek gets blocked, it can be reasonably argued that such a block =
has no preventive utility, which may lead to reversal;</div>=0A=0A<div>* on=
ce Lokyz is blocked, somebody else points out that Lokyz' redirect is paten=
tly silly and restores the content.</div><div><br></div><div>It's risky, bu=
t could it work?</div><div><br></div></div><font color=3D"#888888">-- <br>=
=0AAndres Soolo<br>=0A=0A</font><br>_______________________________________=
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