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From: Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>
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2009/4/28 Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>

> Yes, sure, please speak freely about everything. It is also fine to think
> that I am slightly paranoid (and perhaps I am). "Public internet sites"  - I
> mean wikipedia. Of course I consider everyone here to be a trustful person.
> Just also keep in mind that everything we consider secret might became
> public one day.
>
> Sorry,
>
> Andrei


I apologize for my less than diplomatic speech. I meant no offense. About
paranoia, I tend to have a deviation from normality in the opposite
direction and the same in absolute value. :-) Thus, we sort of remind where
the upper and lower bounds are, and I definitively agree such regular
reminders are healthy.

The true reason I believe our communication is "safe" is because I don't
think our talk here is infringing anything. We are not the hypocritical kind
of people who do evil things in seclusion and put up innocent faces in the
public. This is what my common sense tells me. In fact I honestly respect
editors that I disagree with. But I also honestly believe there are a number
of people editing WP who do propaganda for evil causes. Out of personal
belief in such causes, or/and because of being recruited to promote them on
internet, or/and for other reasons. Idealizing and justifying USSR/Soviet
system/Communism/etc is only one such evil idea. I view equally evil
fascism, antisemitism, "islamofascism", etc, etc. My real life simply put me
more in face of communist evil, that's why I most frequently stick against
it. But my resolution against other evils is just the same. I might lag in
information about those... I consider it fundamentally good and moral to
contribute (to the extent of my mental and timely possibilities) to undoing
its/their might. Existence of our email communications has nothing to do
with my resolution to edit some article or not. If someone here would ask me
to contribute to something I wouldn't be strongly interested in without you,
you might get a very rude refusal from me, even if I hold a neutral POV on
that issue.

Not to mention that over 50% of our talk is not related to WP. I see our
group as a pinboard for like-minded people. I use it so seek information, to
help myself make intelligent decisions (only a minority of which are about
WP). It is me who seeks info from the "pinboard". I could just as well write
10 emails to each of you asking some question. I like to inform myself, but
I take orders or "recommendations" from nobody.

Also, we are not important at all for the three-letter organizations. We
might seriously annoy some small semi-amateurish group voluntarily yielding
its services to a larger similar group, etc, etc, i.e. we can be a nuisance
for somebody pretty low in the hierarchy. But those groups are more
vulnerable than we are, because comparatively to us, they do break some
rules. And I believe we should "attack" those groups, not wait for them to
"attack" us. I don't have the physical resourses to combat the propaganda of
such groups on my own, but the fact that I know there are people like-minded
as me, incourages me to undo a tiny fraction of their propaganda, believing
that i am not alone in seeking a truthful propaganda-free atmosphere. I know
I am way to idealistic, but I can't help. :-)

Best wishes,
Dorin

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/4/28 Andrei Dombay <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail.com">wikibiophys@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(2=
04, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Yes, sure, please speak freely about everything. It is also fine to think t=
hat I am slightly paranoid (and perhaps I am). &quot;Public internet sites&=
quot;=A0 - I mean wikipedia. Of course I consider
everyone here to be a trustful person.=A0 Just also keep in mind that
everything we consider secret might became public one day.<br>

<br>
Sorry,<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>Andrei</font> </blockquote><div><br>I apologize=
 for my less than diplomatic speech. I meant no offense. About paranoia, I =
tend to have a deviation from normality in the opposite direction and the s=
ame in absolute value. :-) Thus, we sort of remind where the upper and lowe=
r bounds are, and I definitively agree such regular reminders are healthy.<=
br>
<br>The true reason I believe our communication is &quot;safe&quot; is beca=
use I don&#39;t think our talk here is infringing anything. We are not the =
hypocritical kind of people who do evil things in seclusion and put up inno=
cent faces in the public. This is what my common sense tells me. In fact I =
honestly respect editors that I disagree with. But I also honestly believe =
there are a number of people editing WP who do propaganda for evil causes. =
Out of personal belief in such causes, or/and because of being recruited to=
 promote them on internet, or/and for other reasons. Idealizing and justify=
ing USSR/Soviet system/Communism/etc is only one such evil idea. I view equ=
ally evil fascism, antisemitism, &quot;islamofascism&quot;, etc, etc. My re=
al life simply put me more in face of communist evil, that&#39;s why I most=
 frequently stick against it. But my resolution against other evils is just=
 the same. I might lag in information about those... I consider it fundamen=
tally good and moral to contribute (to the extent of my mental and timely p=
ossibilities) to undoing its/their might. Existence of our email communicat=
ions has nothing to do with my resolution to edit some article or not. If s=
omeone here would ask me to contribute to something I wouldn&#39;t be stron=
gly interested in without you, you might get a very rude refusal from me, e=
ven if I hold a neutral POV on that issue. <br>
<br>Not to mention that over 50% of our talk is not related to WP. I see ou=
r group as a pinboard for like-minded people. I use it so seek information,=
 to help myself make intelligent decisions (only a minority of which are ab=
out WP). It is me who seeks info from the &quot;pinboard&quot;. I could jus=
t as well write 10 emails to each of you asking some question. I like to in=
form myself, but I take orders or &quot;recommendations&quot; from nobody.<=
br>
<br>Also, we are not important at all for the three-letter organizations. W=
e might seriously annoy some small semi-amateurish group voluntarily yieldi=
ng its services to a larger similar group, etc, etc, i.e. we can be a nuisa=
nce for somebody pretty low in the hierarchy. But those groups are more vul=
nerable than we are, because comparatively to us, they do break some rules.=
 And I believe we should &quot;attack&quot; those groups, not wait for them=
 to &quot;attack&quot; us. I don&#39;t have the physical resourses to comba=
t the propaganda of such groups on my own, but the fact that I know there a=
re people like-minded as me, incourages me to undo a tiny fraction of their=
 propaganda, believing that i am not alone in seeking a truthful propaganda=
-free atmosphere. I know I am way to idealistic, but I can&#39;t help. :-)<=
br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>Best wishes,<br>Dorin<br></font></div></div><br=
>

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