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> "It kind of resembled to me the old pro-SU propaganda I experienced in
primary school."
>
> Do they force people at schools and Universities to study courses like
"History of CPSU" > and "Scientific Communism"?
Nowadays in EU universities, if you study science, engineering, or medicine,
you study nothing of the political sciences, hence nothing about EU
(although the information is widely available around in all sorts of media).
On the other hand, if you study economics, social sciences or political
sciences, knowing EU legislation, practice and policy (including the
political-ideological one) is a must. Most students unfortunately accept
them as absolute truths and are not capable of discerning white from black.

EU ideology is not required if you do not work in public policy, but it
would be false to state that it doesn't exist. Interestingly enough, this
ideology is also based on Marxism. I am not good at explaining how it works.
Those of you who are interested could read a book that details this on the
particular example of France: Jean Sevillia "Le terrorisme intellectuel: De
1945 a nos jours" ("Intellectual terrorism: from 1945 to our days"), Perrin
(this is the printing house), 2004 (there exists English translation). I am
not suggesting to agree with everything the author says. In fact, in a
number of cases he overestimates. But, if you are indeed capable of reading
critically and inform yourself, it is an excellent information source (only
280 pages), which gives you on the plate the stages of the formation of the
modern 90%-leftist-and-strongly-ideological French bureaucracy. Since
Germany and France are the main breading houses of the so called
EU-ideology, for a political sciences alumni I would recommend this book (to
be read critically, though).

The problem with EU-ideology that I personally see is not so much
ideological as it is generational. There are several dozens (if not
hundreds) of thousands of people ages 40 to 60 that grew up in the breading
atmosphere of 1968 hippy protests and so on. These people professionally are
bureaucrats, but they do not have a true specialization. Their
specialization is EU ideology. Hence they risk to loose their jobs and
everything if EU ideology comes of age and is no longer in vogue.

Now, to pin-point the trouble areas:
- EU was started as a common market, and that is what it should develop: a
common market in the largest sense, including uniform legislation, uniform
standards, uniform court rulings in similar cases, ability to prosecute
criminals Europe-wide in addition the obvious must's: a common foreign trade
policy, a common market for services and goods, a common marketplace for
people/jobs, a common marketplace for capital, information and know-how, a
common anti-monopolistic policy, a common consumer protection (in the sense
of quality of goods and services), a common agricultural policy, a common
energy policy, common environment protection mechanisms. Obviously EU should
also support uniformization (between nations) in education and science, but
unfortunately the way this was/is done in practice fringes a disaster of the
type the Nazis created in the German education and science.
- EU is not a replacement for NATO, hence EU does not need a military, nor a
separate foreign policy. NATO should be in a sense EU's military branch, and
we don't need any other additional structure to impede us. We need more
solidarity to take down rough regimes. The common foreign policy should be
based on these two pillars: common marketplace and common military.  Which
means no bilateral energy or military deals with third parties: either we
are together discussing with third parties with a single voice, or we should
dissolve the EU. EU citizens have not subscribed to an alternative military
and clumsy foreign policy, but have given EU politicians a mandate and
obligation to defend European interests emerging from the common
marketplace: nothing more and nothing less.

EU-ideology is one extreme: it refuses NATO, refuses foreign policy based on
common marketplace interests, it prefers deal with dictatorial regimes.

anti-EU-ideology is the other extreme: it rejects the common marketplace, or
reduces it to simply "no import/export taxes". Common marketplace is much
more than that.

Dorin

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<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse; "><div=
 class=3D"im" style=3D"color: rgb(80, 0, 80); ">&gt; &quot;It kind of resem=
bled to me the old pro-SU propaganda I experienced in primary school.&quot;=
</div>
<div class=3D"im" style=3D"color: rgb(80, 0, 80); ">&gt;</div>&gt; Do they =
force people at schools and Universities to study courses like &quot;Histor=
y of CPSU&quot; &gt; and &quot;Scientific Communism&quot;?</span><div><span=
 class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
</span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse=
: collapse;">Nowadays in EU universities, if you study science, engineering=
, or medicine, you study nothing of the political sciences, hence nothing a=
bout EU (although the information is widely available around in all sorts o=
f media). On the other hand, if you study economics, social sciences or pol=
itical sciences, knowing EU legislation, practice and policy (including the=
 political-ideological one) is a must. Most students unfortunately accept t=
hem as absolute truths and are not capable of discerning white from black.=
=A0</span></div>
<div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse;">=
<br></span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-coll=
apse: collapse;">EU ideology is not required if you do not work in public p=
olicy, but it would be false to state that it doesn&#39;t exist. Interestin=
gly enough, this ideology is also based on Marxism. I am not good at explai=
ning how it works. Those of you who are interested could read a book that d=
etails this on the particular example of France: Jean Sevillia &quot;Le ter=
rorisme intellectuel: De 1945 a nos jours&quot; (&quot;Intellectual terrori=
sm: from 1945 to our days&quot;), Perrin (this is the printing house), 2004=
 (there exists English translation). I am not suggesting to agree with ever=
ything the author says. In fact, in a number of cases he overestimates. But=
, if you are indeed capable of reading critically and inform yourself, it i=
s an excellent information source (only 280 pages), which gives you on the =
plate the stages of the formation of the modern 90%-leftist-and-strongly-id=
eological French bureaucracy. Since Germany and France are the main breadin=
g houses of the so called EU-ideology, for a political sciences alumni I wo=
uld recommend this book (to be read critically, though).</span></div>
<div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse;">=
<br></span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-coll=
apse: collapse;">The problem with EU-ideology that I personally see is not =
so much ideological as it is generational. There are several dozens (if not=
 hundreds) of thousands of people ages 40 to 60 that grew up in the breadin=
g atmosphere of 1968 hippy protests and so on. These people professionally =
are bureaucrats, but they do not have a true specialization. Their speciali=
zation is EU ideology. Hence they risk to loose their jobs and everything i=
f EU ideology comes of age and is no longer in vogue.</span></div>
<div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse;">=
<br></span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-coll=
apse: collapse;">Now, to pin-point the trouble areas:</span></div><div><spa=
n class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse;">- EU was =
started as a common market, and that is what it should develop: a common ma=
rket in the largest sense, including uniform legislation, uniform standards=
, uniform court rulings in similar cases, ability to prosecute criminals Eu=
rope-wide in addition the obvious must&#39;s: a common foreign trade policy=
, a common market for services and goods, a common marketplace for people/j=
obs, a common marketplace for capital, information and know-how, a common a=
nti-monopolistic policy, a common consumer protection (in the sense of qual=
ity of goods and services), a common agricultural policy, a common energy p=
olicy, common environment protection mechanisms. Obviously EU should also s=
upport uniformization (between nations) in education and science, but unfor=
tunately the way this was/is done in practice fringes a disaster of the typ=
e the Nazis created in the German education and science.</span></div>
<div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse;">=
- EU is not a replacement for NATO, hence EU does not need a military, nor =
a separate foreign policy. NATO should be in a sense EU&#39;s military bran=
ch, and we don&#39;t need any other additional structure to impede us. We n=
eed more solidarity to take down rough regimes. The common foreign policy s=
hould be based on these two pillars: common marketplace and common military=
. =A0Which means no bilateral energy or military deals with third parties: =
either we are together discussing with third parties with a single voice, o=
r we should dissolve the EU. EU citizens have not subscribed to an alternat=
ive military and clumsy foreign policy, but have given EU politicians a man=
date and obligation to defend European interests emerging from the common m=
arketplace: nothing more and nothing less.</span></div>
<div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse;">=
<br></span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-coll=
apse: collapse;">EU-ideology is one extreme: it refuses NATO, refuses forei=
gn policy based on common marketplace interests, it prefers deal with dicta=
torial regimes.</span></div>
<div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse;">=
<br></span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-coll=
apse: collapse;">anti-EU-ideology is the other extreme: it rejects the comm=
on marketplace, or reduces it to simply &quot;no import/export taxes&quot;.=
 Common marketplace is much more than that.</span></div>
<div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: collapse;">=
<br></span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-coll=
apse: collapse;">Dorin</span></div>

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