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P.S. I wonder how one can make such mistake by an accident?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soviet_War_Memorial_(Treptower_Park)&diff=296671134&oldid=296601026

To make this appear as a diff, one  should go to page history, and instead
of making just a single click, click for a difference between two obviously
non-sequential versions.

Actually, I wrote her an email (long time ago) asking to clarify three
issues noted here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thatcher&diff=298178670&oldid=298166016

No response. She did not responded over the email, and  she did not respond
in WP.

Not responding and not fixing even an obvious error (let's assume good
faith) shows that she is not an impartial/fair side here.  Hence the reword
by Offliner.


On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>wrote:

> I personally think she did a terrible job, up to providing a forged diff,
> see here:
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thatcher&diff=298178670&oldid=298166016
>
> although I did not notice this from the beginning;  so I will not comment.
> Was it a good move on the part of Offliner? That depends on what kind of
> person she is, and if she understands what is going on here.  Most probably
> that was good move on his part.
>
> Did we lost? Yes, I think we did.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl> wrote:
>
>> PetersJV@aol.com wrote:
>> > In a message dated 6/28/2009 4:19:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> > digwuren@gmail.com writes:
>> >
>> >     apparently, Offliner has given Shell Kinney a barnstar.  It would
>> >     seem he thinks that the Cartel won this round.  What might be the
>> >     criteria he used for evaluation?
>> >
>> >     Also, considering the Wikipedia maxim that neutrality means no side
>> >     is happy, can this be used to demonstrate Shell Kinney's
>> >     non-neutrality in a future battle?
>> >
>> > I think Shell Kinney can be an asset, you'll note she was not kind to
>> > Offliner, and it is true he's the only one who has done anything
>> > off-our-topic. I've corresponded off-Wiki with Shell Kinney and found
>> > them receptive to my characterization of shopping for admins on
>> > their talk pages, et al. Personally, I'm taking this as a suck-up
>> > curry-favor I'm-trying-to-be-good move by Offliner, quite creative, but
>> > I would not put any stock in it (at least for now) as a thanks for any
>> > sort of favoritism.
>>
>> Agreed. I suggest that we support Offliner, write on her page that we
>> agree with him that she has handled that well, albeit a question or two
>> about what she thinks about sanctions for Colchium and Radek wouldn't be
>> amiss there.
>>
>> --
>> Piotr Konieczny
>>
>> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
>> theory."
>>
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P.S. I wonder how one can make such mistake by an accident?<br><br><a href=
=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DSoviet_War_Memorial_(Trepto=
wer_Park)&amp;diff=3D296671134&amp;oldid=3D296601026">http://en.wikipedia.o=
rg/w/index.php?title=3DSoviet_War_Memorial_(Treptower_Park)&amp;diff=3D2966=
71134&amp;oldid=3D296601026</a><br>
<br>To make this appear as a diff, one=A0 should go to page history, and in=
stead of making just a single click, click for a difference between two obv=
iously non-sequential versions. <br><br>Actually, I wrote her an email (lon=
g time ago) asking to clarify three issues noted here <br>
<br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Thatch=
er&amp;diff=3D298178670&amp;oldid=3D298166016" target=3D"_blank">http://en.=
wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Thatcher&amp;diff=3D298178670&a=
mp;oldid=3D298166016</a><br>
<br>No response. She did not responded over the email, and=A0 she did not r=
espond in WP.<br><br>Not responding and not fixing even an obvious error (l=
et&#39;s assume good faith) shows that she is not an impartial/fair side he=
re.=A0 Hence the reword by Offliner. <br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Andrei =
Dombay <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail.com">wikib=
iophys@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.=
8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I personally think she did a terrible job, up to providing a forged diff, s=
ee here: <br><br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUse=
r_talk:Thatcher&amp;diff=3D298178670&amp;oldid=3D298166016" target=3D"_blan=
k">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Thatcher&amp;diff=
=3D298178670&amp;oldid=3D298166016</a><br>

<br>although I did not notice this from the beginning;=A0 so I will not com=
ment.=A0 Was it a good move on the part of Offliner? That depends on what k=
ind of person she is, and if she understands what is going on here.=A0 Most=
 probably that was good move on his part.<br>

<br>Did we lost? Yes, I think we did.<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>=
=A0<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Piot=
r Konieczny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, =
204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

<div><a href=3D"mailto:PetersJV@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">PetersJV@aol.com=
</a> wrote:<br>
&gt; In a message dated 6/28/2009 4:19:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:digwuren@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">digwuren@gmail=
.com</a> writes:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 apparently, Offliner has given Shell Kinney a barnstar. =A0It =
would<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 seem he thinks that the Cartel won this round. =A0What might b=
e the<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 criteria he used for evaluation?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 Also, considering the Wikipedia maxim that neutrality means no=
 side<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 is happy, can this be used to demonstrate Shell Kinney&#39;s<b=
r>
&gt; =A0 =A0 non-neutrality in a future battle?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I think Shell Kinney can be an asset, you&#39;ll note she was not kind=
 to<br>
&gt; Offliner, and it is true he&#39;s the only one who has done anything<b=
r>
&gt; off-our-topic. I&#39;ve corresponded off-Wiki with Shell Kinney and fo=
und<br>
&gt; them receptive to my characterization of shopping for admins on<br>
&gt; their talk pages, et al. Personally, I&#39;m taking this as a suck-up<=
br>
&gt; curry-favor I&#39;m-trying-to-be-good move by Offliner, quite creative=
, but<br>
&gt; I would not put any stock in it (at least for now) as a thanks for any=
<br>
&gt; sort of favoritism.<br>
<br>
</div>Agreed. I suggest that we support Offliner, write on her page that we=
<br>
agree with him that she has handled that well, albeit a question or two<br>
about what she thinks about sanctions for Colchium and Radek wouldn&#39;t b=
e<br>
amiss there.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Piotr Konieczny<br>
<br>
&quot;The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in=
<br>
theory.&quot;<br>
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