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>
> To name removal of
> German colonists and Nazis as "suffering" is an insult to all who
> suffered.


Wait a second. While the number 12 million is probably exagerated and
obviously should not contain colonists, there were people who were born, for
example on the banks of the Oder River, who where born German in German
villages and towns and did not participate in any murder. Even if you
consider everyone who fought in Wehrmacht guilty (and to some extent they
were), how about women and children? Even if those territories had to go to
Poland (and similar territories in the east had to go from Poland to Ukraine
and Belorussia), was it necessary to uproot people? More Poles, resp.
Ukraininas and Belorussians could settle in, but Germans, respectively Poles
could stay or choose to relocate only on individual basis. This did not
happen in reality b/c the main reason was to appease Uncle Jo(seph Stalin).
I am not suggesting to undo something, but I believe that eventually the 5
nations (Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine) would be mature
enough to discuss honestly these issues and answer honestly  all questions.
I know such things won't happen in the 21st century, but one day it will
happen. Think about that happy day, not about present shortcomings. BTW,
informing honestly about something does not mean to agree or disagree with
interpretations of the sense of that thing.

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