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From: Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
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	Content preview:  Good start, couple of points: One of the goals of the
	commission was also to counter that "German occupation involved brutal
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	when describing its activities. It's good beginning but I would add the
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Good start, couple of points:

One of the goals of the commission was also to counter that "German
occupation involved brutal murder and atrocities", which I believe is
important point to mention when describing its activities.
It's good beginning but I would add the character of material it was
based on and its bias(like avoiding responsibility, ignoring pre-1945
history in memories and so on).
Radek-write up what you want, and send it over to me or the message
board and I will fill up the rest and send it over to you. How about
that ?

2009/9/13 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>:
> Ok, here's what I have for a start. Some things to note:
> I've left some POV and a little bit of SYNTH in there because this is a
> first draft.
> The sources that Molobo gave
> [http://books.google.com/books?lr=3D&ei=3DtE6WSv23IpqUygSazvXOBw&hl=3Dpl&=
as_brr=3D3&as_drrb_is=3Dq&as_minm_is=3D0&as_miny_is=3D&as_maxm_is=3D0&as_ma=
xy_is=3D&id=3DvicYzfDpqoQC&dq=3Dwerner+conze+poles&q=3Dconze#v=3Dsnippet&q=
=3Dconze&f=3Dfalse]
> and
> [http://books.google.com/books?id=3D8Kme_3IrvEMC&pg=3DPA58&dq=3Dbroszat+c=
onze&ei=3DQZmaSpjxEKq6ywSFn_HwDg#v=3Donepage&q=3Dbroszat%20conze&f=3Dfalse]
> are good for portraying the fact that the purpose of the commission was
> propaganda but they also describe in detail some of the meticulous
> historical approach that the commission took - there's definitely a lot in
> the Moeller source that Skapperod and co. will be able to use. And anyway,
> since it's pertinent info we should figure out how to incorporate it into
> the article.
> Likewise, a good bit of the commission's work focused on the advance of t=
he
> Red Army through Poland and that should be included as well. As I said th=
is
> is meant as a start so that needs to be put in.
> Comments and criticisms very much appreciated.
>
> The =91=92=92Scheider commission=92=92=92 was a post-World War II German =
commission of
> the [[Federal Ministry for Displaced Persons, Refugees and War Victims]],
> headed by [[Theodor Scheider]], which in the early 1960=92s published a f=
ive
> volume work on the population transfer of Germans from central and Eastern
> Europe. The head of the commission, Theodor Scheider, had previously been
> closely associated with the Nazi settlement policy in occupied countries =
in
> Eastern Europe. Scheider in turn was supervised by [[Theodor Oberlander]]
> (who also wrote the introduction to the published works of the commission=
),
> the head of the Ministry, who had been Scheider=92s collegue in the Nazi
> [[Ostforschung]] and who is considered by some historians to be among the
> academics who laid the intellectual foundation for the [[Final Solution]].
>
>
>
> Scheider chose as members of the commission individuals, such as [[Werner
> Conze]] (who had also previously advocated "dejewification" of territory
> occupied by Nazi Germany) and [[Hans Rothfels]] (a German nationalist who=
 in
> the interwar period advocated German domination of Eastern Europe and the
> enserfment of its population) who were =93consciously committed to =85
> propagandistic activity in their government=92s service=94. The propagand=
istic
> aims of the German government at the time were to utilize the commission=
=92s
> work to keep the question of the territories lost by Germany as a result =
of
> World War II open. =A0Hans Rothfels was the person who had originally pro=
posed
> Scheider as head of the editorial staff, having been his teacher, and a k=
ey
> intellectual influence on him in the inter war period.
>
> Younger historians, such as [[Martin Broszat]] (who researched Yugoslavia)
> and [[Hans-Ulrich Wehler]] (who helped research Romania), who were later =
to
> break with the tradition of Scheider and Conze, served as research
> assistants. However, Scheider was involved in all aspects of the work of =
the
> commission, from securing typewriters to specifying by what criteria
> documents should be judged as admissible. Part of Scheider=92s purpose wa=
s to
> make sure that the expulsions would be established as =93one of the most
> momentous events in all of European history and one of the greatest
> catastrophes in the development of the German people=94. He sought to make
> sure that publishing of =93selected documents=94 would bring to light eve=
nts
> which he felt had so far been =93hushed up=94. Scheider also hoped that t=
he
> propagandistic work of the commission could convince the allies to change
> their stance on Germany=92s post war eastern borders with Poland. =A0Adolf
> Diestelkamp, another member of the commission, expressed the hope that the
> work of the commission could be a =93decisive factor in our fight to win =
back
> the German east=94, that is, territories which Germany ceded to Poland af=
ter
> World War II.
>
> The commission relied heavily on interest groups, including expellee
> organizations, to collect their sources.
>
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