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On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 18:38, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl> wrote:

> > Piotrus, could you give a formal warning to PU so AE won't snag behind
> > lack of warning the next time?
>
> Do you think I can be considered uninvolved here?


As far as I can remember, you have never met PU on Wikipedia before, and PU
has never edited anything about Poland on Wikipedia.  Your first involvement
came when you commented in the AN/I thread, which means you can plausibly
claim that this was what attracted you to the case, and that as an outside
administrator, you decided to bring PU's attention to the case because of
either unusually lax initial sanctioning or because you were appalled by his
post-block discussion (see his talkpage).

Also, arbcom has previously explained that the warning's purpose is to
notify the user in question that such sanctions exist.  Warning in itself is
not a sanction, and does not enact any editing restrictions.  Thus, any
complaint concerning your issuing the warning (which, in itself is rather
unlikely) would very likely be dismissed by any third party as unnecessary
dramu.

As far as I can remember -- which is about four years, since 2005 --, the
Cartel's public mapping of their enemies has been by ethnicity.  There are
some hints that this may change in the future, but even now, Offliner has
been trying to paint Martin and Peters as "Estonian troublemakes", because
the idea of a broad coalition of people with wildly differing worldviews
working together does not appear to fit into his (public) worldview.  The
risk that the Cartel's public stance might join "Estonian cabal" with
"Polish cabal" seems low.  And without Cartel arguing in such a way, there
is no reason why any third party should consider you an involved
administrator outside the "Polish-Russian conflict".  PU is decidedly
outside this conflict; in the current dominant mapping, PU is an
"anti-Estonian" activist, as determined by FisherQueen and affirmed by
Sandstein.

I mentioned that the Cartel's public enemy map may be changing.  If this
happens, the new category will be some combination of "anti-Russian" or
"anti-Soviet".  Again, it's quite obvious that PU's attacks on [[Crime in
Estonia]] fit into neither of these categories, so even if the next arbcom
will deal with confrontations over Soviet history or anti-Russian
activities, PU's current actions, which you would be warning him over, will
still remain outside the box your opponents would try to paint you into.

-- 
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 18:38, Piotr Konieczny <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">&gt; Piotrus, could you give a formal warning to PU so AE=
 won&#39;t snag behind<br>
&gt; lack of warning the next time?<br>
<br>
</div>Do you think I can be considered uninvolved here?</blockquote><div><b=
r></div><div>As far as I can remember, you have never met PU on Wikipedia b=
efore, and PU has never edited anything about Poland on Wikipedia. =C2=A0Yo=
ur first involvement came when you commented in the AN/I thread, which mean=
s you can plausibly claim that this was what attracted you to the case, and=
 that as an outside administrator, you decided to bring PU&#39;s attention =
to the case because of either unusually lax initial sanctioning or because =
you were appalled by his post-block discussion (see his talkpage).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Also, arbcom has previously explained that the warning&=
#39;s purpose is to notify the user in question that such sanctions exist. =
=C2=A0Warning in itself is not a sanction, and does not enact any editing r=
estrictions. =C2=A0Thus, any complaint concerning your issuing the warning =
(which, in itself is rather unlikely) would very likely be dismissed by any=
 third party as unnecessary dramu.</div>
<div><br></div><div>As far as I can remember -- which is about four years, =
since 2005 --, the Cartel&#39;s public mapping of their enemies has been by=
 ethnicity. =C2=A0There are some hints that this may change in the future, =
but even now, Offliner has been trying to paint Martin and Peters as &quot;=
Estonian troublemakes&quot;, because the idea of a broad coalition of peopl=
e with wildly differing worldviews working together does not appear to fit =
into his (public) worldview. =C2=A0The risk that the Cartel&#39;s public st=
ance might join &quot;Estonian cabal&quot; with &quot;Polish cabal&quot; se=
ems low. =C2=A0And without Cartel arguing in such a way, there is no reason=
 why any third party should consider you an involved administrator outside =
the &quot;Polish-Russian conflict&quot;. =C2=A0PU is decidedly outside this=
 conflict; in the current dominant mapping, PU is an &quot;anti-Estonian&qu=
ot; activist, as determined by FisherQueen and affirmed by Sandstein.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I mentioned that the Cartel&#39;s public enemy map may =
be changing. =C2=A0If this happens, the new category will be some combinati=
on of &quot;anti-Russian&quot; or &quot;anti-Soviet&quot;. =C2=A0Again, it&=
#39;s quite obvious that PU&#39;s attacks on [[Crime in Estonia]] fit into =
neither of these categories, so even if the next arbcom will deal with conf=
rontations over Soviet history or anti-Russian activities, PU&#39;s current=
 actions, which you would be warning him over, will still remain outside th=
e box your opponents would try to paint you into.</div>
<div><br></div><div>--=C2=A0<br></div></div>Andres Soolo<br>

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