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Digwuren wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 04:34, Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com 

> On another hand, there are 
> spontaneous conspiracy theories aloft speaking about "pro-Union brainwashing" in schools' textbooks and the supposed EU media control. 
>  Some of it is nonsense, but because of the previous topic and the 
> complexity of EU relations, laypeople often have hard time telling the 
> chaff from the grains.

Indeed. One of the main reasons I don't like the phrase "EU propaganda" 
is that, being a fan of sci-fi, I was relatively disgusted by the 
primitie anti-EU propaganda that some Polish sci-fi "writers" tried to 
feed us in the 1990s (Wolski, to a certain extent Ziemkiewicz - but at 
least he can write a good story, and some second rate names I don't 
recall), which usually called for the "we need to stand alone and trust 
the Church to save us all from the Western degeneration". Bleh and yuck 
- it was "sci-fi by moherowe berety" or "sci-fi for Wszechpolacy", almost :>

> And on the fourth hand, an important part of the point of EU is keeping 
> Germans and French from going to war with each other.  Common market is 
> one of the tools towards that end.  Telling people on both sides of the 
> border that people on the other side of the border are decent people and 
> it would be a shame to wage war on them is another of the tools EU employs.

Exactly. I am not fond of all EU policies (bloated agriculture, ignoring 
free culture, and so on) but I'll support it since economic integration 
means no wars and less poverty.

And for the record - I'd be much happier if EU was more of a single 
country, and actually mattered on a global scale instead of being an 
international relation laughingstock, composed of individual countries 
often working against each other/competing with each other, and none 
being strong enough on the international scene to stand up to the 
Russian Bear (or Uncle Sam, or Chinese Dragon...) :(


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