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*While I am haven't read much about "pro-EU propaganda",*
Nice article:

http://euobserver.com/843/28505

When I studied International Relations, we had usually once per two months
or so meetings with people representing EU and telling over and over and
over and over how great and beautifull it is to live in the beautifull and
great European family.
It kind of resembled to me the old pro-SU propaganda I experienced in
primary school.

2009/9/2 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>

> Molobo Molobo wrote:
> > All my works are based on qualified scholary sources, written by
> > professional historians. I have yet to see a scholary work that I used
> > that was propaganda. Just because something was written in PRL doesn't
> > mean its propaganda. In fact often it is more reliable then modern
> > pro-EU propaganda where every second sentence is not about history but
> > about "reconcillation" or other bullshit.
>
> A lot of irreplaceable (so far) work was done in PRL (for example
> Madajczyk study of Polish culture in WWII). As long as we realize that
> such work had obvious biases and was a victim of censorship, it is ok to
> use it - even some Soviet historians works are acceptable under careful
> scrutiny.
>
> While I am haven't read much about "pro-EU propaganda", I am aware that
> there are modern nationalist organization (usually far-right) in Poland
> pushing pro-hate versions of history. They are
> anti-German/Ukranian/Lithuanian and so on (of course, they have
> equivalents in those countries as well). Let's try to avoid using such
> sources; I find criticism of a Polish source reliability coming from
> Polish editors (Molobo and Lysy) very welcome. We need to take care of
> our own problems - before others embarrass us by pointing it to us. On
> the same note, I hope that our Ukrainians colleagues will try to avoid
> using pro-OUN/UIA sources (which are relatively common among
> English-speaking Ukrainian diaspora, for example).
>
> And Tymek, please avoid personal attacks against Molobo. If you have a
> problem, perhaps I can mediate - on that list or in private. You are
> both valuable and experienced editors, so whatever caused some bad faith
> between you two - please bury it.
>
> --
> Piotr Konieczny
>
> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
> theory."
>
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<i>While I am haven&#39;t read much about &quot;pro-EU propaganda&quot;,</i=
><br>Nice article:<br><br><a href=3D"http://euobserver.com/843/28505">http:=
//euobserver.com/843/28505</a><br><br>When I studied International Relation=
s, we had usually once per two months or so meetings with people representi=
ng EU and telling over and over and over and over how great and beautifull =
it is to live in the beautifull and great European family.<br>
It kind of resembled to me the old pro-SU propaganda I experienced in prima=
ry school.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/2 Piotr Konieczny <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0p=
t 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">Molobo Molobo wrote:<br>
&gt; All my works are based on qualified scholary sources, written by<br>
&gt; professional historians. I have yet to see a scholary work that I used=
<br>
&gt; that was propaganda. Just because something was written in PRL doesn&#=
39;t<br>
&gt; mean its propaganda. In fact often it is more reliable then modern<br>
&gt; pro-EU propaganda where every second sentence is not about history but=
<br>
&gt; about &quot;reconcillation&quot; or other bullshit.<br>
<br>
</div>A lot of irreplaceable (so far) work was done in PRL (for example<br>
Madajczyk study of Polish culture in WWII). As long as we realize that<br>
such work had obvious biases and was a victim of censorship, it is ok to<br=
>
use it - even some Soviet historians works are acceptable under careful<br>
scrutiny.<br>
<br>
While I am haven&#39;t read much about &quot;pro-EU propaganda&quot;, I am =
aware that<br>
there are modern nationalist organization (usually far-right) in Poland<br>
pushing pro-hate versions of history. They are<br>
anti-German/Ukranian/Lithuanian and so on (of course, they have<br>
equivalents in those countries as well). Let&#39;s try to avoid using such<=
br>
sources; I find criticism of a Polish source reliability coming from<br>
Polish editors (Molobo and Lysy) very welcome. We need to take care of<br>
our own problems - before others embarrass us by pointing it to us. On<br>
the same note, I hope that our Ukrainians colleagues will try to avoid<br>
using pro-OUN/UIA sources (which are relatively common among<br>
English-speaking Ukrainian diaspora, for example).<br>
<br>
And Tymek, please avoid personal attacks against Molobo. If you have a<br>
problem, perhaps I can mediate - on that list or in private. You are<br>
both valuable and experienced editors, so whatever caused some bad faith<br=
>
between you two - please bury it.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
--<br>
Piotr Konieczny<br>
<br>
&quot;The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in=
<br>
theory.&quot;<br>
<br>
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