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	2009/6/8 piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>: > User Ostap would be
	good and useful here. He is Ukrainian, so one more > nation would be
	included. > Tymek > > --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Dorin Cheptea
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	<dorin.cheptea@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [WPM] More cabal theory > To:
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	2009, 9:58 AM > > > > 2009/6/8 Miacek and his crime-fighting dog
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	treating socialism's historical >> traces and background (see ''The
	Socialist Phenomenon''). He turned a >> die-hard Russian chauvinist in
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	was anti-Soviet but part of the reason was that in his mind the Soviets
	> were anti-Russian. As for activity after 1990, I personally have to
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	background. An alliance of >> Estonian-Romanian-Polish 'cabals' plus a
	few other _indivihduals_, me >> included, is not enough yet to represent
	the Eastern Europe ;-) > 1) we want to have an anti-team USSR cabal.
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	things are not identical. We can > subsequently use [...] 
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	seen his edits around a lot and he seems like a solid fellow. Radek
	2009/6/8 piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>: > User Ostap would be
	good and useful here. He is Ukrainian, so one more > nation would be
	included. > Tymek > > --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Dorin Cheptea
	<dorin.cheptea@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: Dorin Cheptea
	<dorin.cheptea@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [WPM] More cabal theory > To:
	"Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net> > Date: Monday, June 8,
	2009, 9:58 AM > > > > 2009/6/8 Miacek and his crime-fighting dog
	<miacek08@googlemail.com> >> >> Shafarevich has done great job when
	treating socialism's historical >> traces and background (see ''The
	Socialist Phenomenon''). He turned a >> die-hard Russian chauvinist in
	early 1990s, actually joining the >> National Salvation Front which also
	included hardline Stalinists in >> addition to more 'moderate'
	nationalists and commies. I imagine >> Shafarevich still being rather
	uncomfortable with such bedfellow. >> >> Miacek. > > He had the same
	ideas during the hight of the Soviet system, when he was a > member of
	the Sakharov's group. He was sort of a "white raven" among them. > He
	was anti-Soviet but part of the reason was that in his mind the Soviets
	> were anti-Russian. As for activity after 1990, I personally have to
	say one > thing: intelligent people have to know when to slow down and
	let new people > take the lead. If you want to be in the spotlight when
	you are 30, when you > are 50, and when you are 70 as well, then your
	egocentrism has blinded your > common sense, and you look ridiculous.
	Having to "endure" hardline > Stalinists is punishement for luck of
	common sense. > >> If we want to have a real ''Eastern European'' cabal,
	then we have to >> recruit more members with different ethnic
	background. An alliance of >> Estonian-Romanian-Polish 'cabals' plus a
	few other _indivihduals_, me >> included, is not enough yet to represent
	the Eastern Europe ;-) > 1) we want to have an anti-team USSR cabal.
	Currently that's the main > problem eastern Europeans have, but the two
	things are not identical. We can > subsequently use [...] 
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I've haven't really interacted with Ostap much but I've seen his edits
around a lot and he seems like a solid fellow.

Radek


2009/6/8 piotr micula <basiaipiotr@yahoo.com>:
> User Ostap would be good and useful here. He is Ukrainian, so one more
> nation would be included.
> Tymek
>
> --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Dorin Cheptea <dorin.cheptea@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WPM] More cabal theory
> To: "Wikipedia statistics" <folks@wikipedometer.net>
> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 9:58 AM
>
>
>
> 2009/6/8 Miacek and his crime-fighting dog <miacek08@googlemail.com>
>>
>> Shafarevich has done great job when treating socialism's historical
>> traces and background (see ''The Socialist Phenomenon''). He turned a
>> die-hard Russian chauvinist in early 1990s, actually joining the
>> National Salvation Front which also included hardline Stalinists in
>> addition to more 'moderate' nationalists and commies. I imagine
>> Shafarevich still being rather uncomfortable with such bedfellow.
>>
>> Miacek.
>
> He had the same ideas during the hight of the Soviet system, when he was a
> member of the Sakharov's group. He was sort of a "white raven" among them.
> He was anti-Soviet but part of the reason was that in his mind the Soviets
> were anti-Russian. As for activity after 1990, I personally have to say one
> thing: intelligent people have to know when to slow down and let new people
> take the lead. If you want to be in the spotlight when you are 30, when you
> are 50, and when you are 70 as well, then your egocentrism has blinded your
> common sense, and you look ridiculous. Having to "endure" hardline
> Stalinists is punishement for luck of common sense.
>
>> If we want to have a real ''Eastern European'' cabal, then we have to
>> recruit more members with different ethnic background. An alliance of
>> Estonian-Romanian-Polish 'cabals' plus a few other _indivihduals_, me
>> included, is not enough yet to represent the Eastern Europe ;-)
> 1) we want to have an anti-team USSR cabal. Currently that's the main
> problem eastern Europeans have, but the two things are not identical. We can
> subsequently use our experience with Soviet topics for other areas if we
> find common goals, I agree, but without damage to the main issue.
> 2) Right now, it's mostly Polish-Estonian :) Two Romanians, one Latvian, one
> Ukrainian, one Russian means that from these nations we luck enough WP-ians
> (well, from Russia, it's a different story). We discussed one Swede at some
> point, what was the conclusion? Now, "Eastern Europeans" means we have to
> have both Serbs and Croations, Hungarian and Slovaks, as well as East
> Germans and Lithuanians. I guess you see the problem.
> 3) The reason we are slow in getting more "members" is that we want to be
> sure of the safety, that each of us is responsible for not suggesting even
> indirectly the possibility that this discussion forum exists. The reason is
> that, albeit we don't plan attacks here, as team USSR would think we do, we
> do exchange information that helps each of us individually, and ultimately
> our collaboration on WP gains. So, you see, we need this. Thus, we need 100%
> safety. And the danger to safety can come not from one of us suddenly
> turning Soviet informer (Soviets won't buy any of us after the damage we did
> to them), but from one of us becoming uncomfortable on some national issue
> with another one, and considering that issue more important for him than
> combating team USSR, and slip a word or two in order to annoy that editor.
> Dorin
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