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Academics are people just like us. There is no objectivity usually in
historic research. From my experience in social sciences there is a lot of
politics and propaganda coming from both sides usually.

2009/9/7 <PetersJV@aol.com>

>  In a message dated 9/7/2009 2:32:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> basiaipiotr@yahoo.com writes:
>
> Peters, I know about it all. I talk about such idiots as user Paul Siebert,
> who has a Doctor of Philosophy degree, and who has published peer-reviewed
> articles in *academic journals* in case somebody wanted to know. Look
> here, this is what he answered to me:
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Paul_Siebert&diff=prev&oldid=296381035
>
>
> Looks like you one can have all the formal education degrees, and still be
> a bird brain.
>
> Tymek
>
>
> As we can see...
>
> "ii) there were neither cooperation nor even coordination between Germany
> and the USSR during the most crucial period of the invasion; "
>
> Of course, categorically incorrect, given the radio transmissions et al.
>  (I'll need to go back to the article and that passage....)
>
> The issue is academics who approach history with their personal POV. I do
> that too, but the difference is I am willing to admit I don't know
> everything and to change my POV based on facts. Siebert represents a whole
> class of academics--whether intentional or unwitting Soviet apologists--who
> go "LA LA LA LA LA" very loudly when hearing anything contradicting them--or
> to become antagonistic in the defense of their position.
>
> Mark Tauger (professor at University of West Virginia) comes to mind
> regarding the Holodomor. You should read some of his rants where he goes off
> on people who disagree with him.
>
> West Virginia, the state where they shave tops off of mountains and build
> airports so that if you miss the runway you die... sorry, couldn't resist...
> terrain map of Yeager Airport, Charleston, West Virginia...
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=yeager+airport,+charleston,+west+virginia&sll=38.373828,-81.591082&sspn=0.048919,0.048494&ie=UTF8&ll=38.3708,-81.596231&spn=0.048921,0.048494&t=p&z=14
>
> /Peters
>
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Academics are people just like us. There is no objectivity usually in histo=
ric research. From my experience in social sciences there is a lot of polit=
ics and propaganda coming from both sides usually. <br><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">
2009/9/7  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:PetersJV@aol.com" target=
=3D"_blank">PetersJV@aol.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">



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<div>In a message dated 9/7/2009 2:32:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20
<a href=3D"mailto:basiaipiotr@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">basiaipiotr@yaho=
o.com</a> writes:</div>
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  <div>Peters, I know about it all. I talk about such idiots as user Paul=
=20
  Siebert, who has a Doctor of Philosophy degree, and who has published=20
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  know. Look here, this is what he answered to me:</div>
  <div>=A0</div>
  <div><a title=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Pa=
ul_Siebert&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D296381035" href=3D"http://en.wikiped=
ia.org/w/index.php?title=3DUser_talk:Paul_Siebert&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=
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  <div>Looks like you one can have all the=A0formal education degrees, and=
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  <div>Tymek<br><br></div></font></blockquote></div>
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</div><div>As we can see...</div>
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<div>&quot;ii) there were neither cooperation nor even coordination between=
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and the USSR during the most crucial period of the invasion; &quot;</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Of course, categorically incorrect, given the radio transmissions et a=
l.=20
=A0(I&#39;ll need to go back to the article and that passage....)</div>
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<div>The issue is academics who approach history with=A0their personal POV.=
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do that too, but the difference is I am willing to admit I don&#39;t know e=
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and to change my POV based on facts. Siebert represents a whole class of=20
academics--whether intentional or unwitting Soviet apologists--who go &quot=
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<div>Mark Tauger (professor at University of West Virginia) comes to mind=
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people who disagree with him.</div>
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<div>West Virginia, the state where they shave tops off of mountains and bu=
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airports so that if you miss the runway you die... sorry, couldn&#39;t resi=
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terrain map of Yeager Airport, Charleston, West Virginia...</div>
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l=3D38.3708,-81.596231&amp;spn=3D0.048921,0.048494&amp;t=3Dp&amp;z=3D14" ta=
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=3Den&amp;geocode=3D&amp;q=3Dyeager+airport,+charleston,+west+virginia&amp;=
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