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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:05:56 -0500
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I did see it but I felt that I didn't have enough of a background on that
topic/history to be able to go in there and not make it seem like it was tag
teaming. But we should definitely keep an eye on csloat as he's been quite a
pain on the Communist Genocide article as well (and just generally comes off
as a stupid ideological commie asshole).

Radek


2009/8/20 Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>

> Yes, it may be better to wait and collect more evidence. I may be need an
> advice myself.
>
> I had some trouble in the past with csloat, which resulted in this Arbcom
> recommendation:
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Commodore_Sloat-Biophys#Parties_instructed
>
> We both followed this for a while but not editing articles which another
> side edited first. Now, all the sudden, he started removing materials I
> inserted in the past from several articles. And he iis doing this:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nuclear_terrorism#disruptive_editing
>
> and this:
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=308582574
>
>
> No one responded at ANI though.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:39 PM, radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks! For this one I'm gonna hold off. I'm pretty sure the anon is Lokyz
>> and the fake "German nationalist" could very well be Dr. Dan but these
>> hunches are not enough for the report unless the sock activity continues.
>>
>> Radek
>>
>> 2009/8/20 Andrei Dombay <wikibiophys@gmail.com>
>>
>> I just came back from a few day trip and can respond.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do I have to justify a request for it and if so with how much detail?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, you should. The details should be convincing enough if possible. Do
>>> not forget the "letter code" of violation.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Should I list whom I want the anon checked "against"?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, absolutely.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is there a cost to including a name or two extra (to make sure)? Is
>>>> there a potential downside - I'm sure someone will scream "hounding" or
>>>> something, but is there a danger here?
>>>
>>>
>>> Do not file CU case, unless you are really sure if at least one of them
>>> is a sock. There is no cost if the first of listed suspects was justified
>>> well enough. However, do not list anyone,
>>> who you  think was most probably not him. Any obvious "fishing" will
>>> decrease your credibility.
>>>
>>> Andrei
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Radek
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I did see it but I felt that I didn&#39;t have enough of a background on th=
at topic/history to be able to go in there and not make it seem like it was=
 tag teaming. But we should definitely keep an eye on csloat as he&#39;s be=
en quite a pain on the Communist Genocide article as well (and just general=
ly comes off as a stupid ideological commie asshole).<br>
<br>Radek<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/8/20 Andrei Dombay <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail.com">wikibiophys@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-=
left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left=
: 1ex;">
Yes, it may be better to wait and collect more evidence. I may be need an a=
dvice myself.<br><br>I had some trouble in the past with csloat, which resu=
lted in this Arbcom recommendation:<br><br><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.o=
rg/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Commodore_Sloat-Biophys#Parties_=
instructed" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reques=
ts_for_arbitration/Commodore_Sloat-Biophys#Parties_instructed</a><br>

<br>We both followed this for a while but not editing articles which anothe=
r side edited first. Now, all the sudden, he started removing materials I i=
nserted in the past from several articles. And he iis doing this:<br><br>

<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nuclear_terrorism#disruptive_e=
diting" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nuclear_terrori=
sm#disruptive_editing</a><br><br>and this:<br><br><a href=3D"http://en.wiki=
pedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incid=
ents&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D308582574" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wik=
ipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DWikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Inci=
dents&amp;diff=3Dprev&amp;oldid=3D308582574</a><br>

<br><br>No one responded at ANI though.<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><b=
r><br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:39 P=
M, radek szulga <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsszulga@gmail.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">rsszulga@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Thanks! For this =
one I&#39;m gonna hold off. I&#39;m pretty sure the anon is Lokyz and the f=
ake &quot;German nationalist&quot; could very well be Dr. Dan but these hun=
ches are not enough for the report unless the sock activity continues.<br>


<br>Radek<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/8/20 Andrei Dombay <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikibiophys@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">w=
ikibiophys@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div><br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); marg=
in: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">


I just came back from a few day trip and can respond.<br><br><br><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"bo=
rder-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding=
-left: 1ex;">



Do I have to justify a request for it and if so with how much detail? </blo=
ckquote></div><div><br>Yes, you should. The details should be convincing en=
ough if possible. Do not forget the &quot;letter code&quot; of violation.<b=
r>



=A0</div><div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px s=
olid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Sho=
uld I list whom I want the anon checked &quot;against&quot;? </blockquote>
</div><div><br>
Yes, absolutely.<br>=A0</div><div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; p=
adding-left: 1ex;">Is there a cost to including a name or two extra (to mak=
e sure)? Is there a potential downside - I&#39;m sure someone will scream &=
quot;hounding&quot; or something, but is there a danger here?</blockquote>



</div><div><br>Do not file CU case, unless you are really sure if at least =
one of them is a sock. There is no cost if the first of listed suspects was=
 justified well enough. However, do not list anyone,<br>who you=A0 think wa=
s most probably not him. Any obvious &quot;fishing&quot; will decrease your=
 credibility.<br>



<br>Andrei <br>=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"bord=
er-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-l=
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