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"I wonder if this is not a German society
problem (consider - being a member of a society whose previous
generation is seen as "utmost evil")..."
See the Polish interview with Krzeminski-a left-wing sociologists critical
of Poland and its nationalism, who neverthless acknowledges the growing
anti-Polish tendency of German society towards Poland's history and rebirth
of German nationalism of today.

http://www.rp.pl/artykul/2,321384_Krzeminski__Zeby_historia_nie_chichotala.html
2009/6/17 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>

> Molobo Molobo wrote:
> > " Why would Germany want swastika emblems back? "
> >
> > Oh not those. But idolization of Prussia, perceived "civlizational" role
> > of Germany, showing German Empire in the good light-those are things I
> > talked about.
>
> Indeed. The label "neo-Nazi" is somewhat misleading. The problematic
> German editors are not Holocaust deniers or such. They are the ones who
> stress how Germany was victimized itself, and how it did some "good"
> things too and so on. Which is of course true to a certain degree, the
> problem is in the UNDUE aspect, and the resulting radicalization...
> which is hardly surprising. I wonder if this is not a German society
> problem (consider - being a member of a society whose previous
> generation is seen as "utmost evil")...
>
> Anyway, Germany may not want swastika emblems back, but consider all the
> fuss about the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_Against_Expulsions -
> and the constant POV-pushing / whitewashing / blackwashing / edit
> warring in the
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_after_World_War_II
> article series (it's only a time till we have an "Expulsion of Germans
> after World War II from the Baltic States" article to deal with...).
>
> --
> Piotr Konieczny
>
> "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
> theory."
>
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&quot;I wonder if this is not a German society<br>
problem (consider - being a member of a society whose previous<br>
generation is seen as &quot;utmost evil&quot;)...&quot;<br>See the Polish i=
nterview with Krzeminski-a left-wing sociologists critical of Poland and it=
s nationalism, who neverthless acknowledges the growing anti-Polish tendenc=
y of German society towards Poland&#39;s history and rebirth of German nati=
onalism of today.<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://www.rp.pl/artykul/2,321384_Krzeminski__Zeby_historia_=
nie_chichotala.html">http://www.rp.pl/artykul/2,321384_Krzeminski__Zeby_his=
toria_nie_chichotala.html</a><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/6/17 Piotr=
 Konieczny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"im"=
>Molobo Molobo wrote:<br>
&gt; &quot; Why would Germany want swastika emblems back? &quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Oh not those. But idolization of Prussia, perceived &quot;civlizationa=
l&quot; role<br>
&gt; of Germany, showing German Empire in the good light-those are things I=
<br>
&gt; talked about.<br>
<br>
</div>Indeed. The label &quot;neo-Nazi&quot; is somewhat misleading. The pr=
oblematic<br>
German editors are not Holocaust deniers or such. They are the ones who<br>
stress how Germany was victimized itself, and how it did some &quot;good&qu=
ot;<br>
things too and so on. Which is of course true to a certain degree, the<br>
problem is in the UNDUE aspect, and the resulting radicalization...<br>
which is hardly surprising. I wonder if this is not a German society<br>
problem (consider - being a member of a society whose previous<br>
generation is seen as &quot;utmost evil&quot;)...<br>
<br>
Anyway, Germany may not want swastika emblems back, but consider all the<br=
>
fuss about the <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_Against_Expul=
sions" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_Against_Expuls=
ions</a> -<br>
and the constant POV-pushing / whitewashing / blackwashing / edit<br>
warring in the<br>
<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_after_World_Wa=
r_II" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_a=
fter_World_War_II</a><br>
article series (it&#39;s only a time till we have an &quot;Expulsion of Ger=
mans<br>
after World War II from the Baltic States&quot; article to deal with...).<b=
r>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
</font><div class=3D"im">Piotr Konieczny<br>
<br>
&quot;The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in=
<br>
theory.&quot;<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">Wikipedia statistics discussion lis=
t<br>
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