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	Content preview:  Population transfers/changes would be good, but
	expulsion article is "holy icon" for the German users on Wiki so it
	would be difficult. 2009/7/10 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>: > Hmm, 
	reading some of that discussion I think some of us might disagree on >
	what the appropriate term is. But regardless I agree with Piotrus that
	it > isn't going to be possible to change expulsion to repatriation in
	the German > case and so for consistency and NPOV it should be the same
	in the case of > Kresy. > > Radek > > > 2009/7/9 Molobo Molobo
	<molobus@gmail.com> >> >> It's actually correct though that both were
	population transfers from >> the point of view of international law. >>
	The Germans however were more successfull then Poles to present their
	>> POV to Western opinion... >> >> 2009/7/9 Piotr Konieczny
	<piokon@post.pl>: >> > Seems like a new controversy is starting: >> >
	>> >
	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polish_Population_transfers_(1944%E2%80%931946)&action=history
	>> > >> > See also >> >
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Poles >> > and its talk
	page where the matter was discussed and >> > >> >
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles >> > (just created the
	disambig) >> > >> > As I see it, there are two big arguments here: >> >
	* the naming of post-WWII population transfer should be the same, for >>
	> consistency and NPOV >> > * the naming should correspond with
	academic
	usage >> > My past research into this, unfortunately, shows that the two
	above are >> > in this case contradicting one another :( >> > >> >
	Strategically, it will be easier to move (rename) the Polish topic than
	>> > the German, even through the "X population transfers" may be the
	best >> > (most neutral) option. >> > >> > -- >> > Piotr Konieczny >> >
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	Content preview:  Population transfers/changes would be good, but
	expulsion article is "holy icon" for the German users on Wiki so it
	would be difficult. 2009/7/10 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>: > Hmm,
	reading some of that discussion I think some of us might disagree on >
	what the appropriate term is. But regardless I agree with Piotrus that
	it > isn't going to be possible to change expulsion to repatriation in
	the German > case and so for consistency and NPOV it should be the same
	in the case of > Kresy. > > Radek > > > 2009/7/9 Molobo Molobo
	<molobus@gmail.com> >> >> It's actually correct though that both were
	population transfers from >> the point of view of international law. >>
	The Germans however were more successfull then Poles to present their >>
	POV to Western opinion... >> >> 2009/7/9 Piotr Konieczny
	<piokon@post.pl>: >> > Seems like a new controversy is starting: >> > >>
	>
	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polish_Population_transfers_(1944%E2%80%931946)&action=history
	>> > >> > See also >> >
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Poles >> > and its talk
	page where the matter was discussed and >> > >> >
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles >> > (just created the
	disambig) >> > >> > As I see it, there are two big arguments here: >> >
	* the naming of post-WWII population transfer should be the same, for >>
	> consistency and NPOV >> > * the naming should correspond with academic
	usage >> > My past research into this, unfortunately, shows that the two
	above are >> > in this case contradicting one another :( >> > >> >
	Strategically, it will be easier to move (rename) the Polish topic than
	>> > the German, even through the "X population transfers" may be the
	best >> > (most neutral) option. >> > >> > -- >> > Piotr Konieczny >> >
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Population transfers/changes would be good, but expulsion article is
"holy icon" for the German users on Wiki so it would be difficult.

2009/7/10 radek szulga <rsszulga@gmail.com>:
> Hmm, reading some of that discussion I think some of us might disagree on
> what the appropriate term is. But regardless I agree with Piotrus that it
> isn't going to be possible to change expulsion to repatriation in the German
> case and so for consistency and NPOV it should be the same in the case of
> Kresy.
>
> Radek
>
>
> 2009/7/9 Molobo Molobo <molobus@gmail.com>
>>
>> It's actually correct though that both were population transfers from
>> the point of view of international law.
>> The Germans however were more successfull then Poles to present their
>> POV to Western opinion...
>>
>> 2009/7/9 Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl>:
>> > Seems like a new controversy is starting:
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polish_Population_transfers_(1944%E2%80%931946)&action=history
>> >
>> > See also
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Poles
>> > and its talk page where the matter was discussed and
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles
>> > (just created the disambig)
>> >
>> > As I see it, there are two big arguments here:
>> > * the naming of post-WWII population transfer should be the same, for
>> > consistency and NPOV
>> > * the naming should correspond with academic usage
>> > My past research into this, unfortunately, shows that the two above are
>> > in this case contradicting one another :(
>> >
>> > Strategically, it will be easier to move (rename) the Polish topic than
>> > the German, even through the "X population transfers" may be the best
>> > (most neutral) option.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Piotr Konieczny
>> >
>> > "The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in
>> > theory."
>> >
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