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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 20:12, Piotr Konieczny <piokon@post.pl> wrote:

> In other words, I think that in cases where a historical region (town,
> etc.) has had different names in the past, those different names should
> be used. It doesn't make sense to apply modern names to historical
> entities (battle of Volgograd, anyone?).


It makes sense in cases where the city's name has been changed as such,
perhaps due to it changing rulers.  I think Memel is another example of
this.

But what if a single town has been called in different ways *at the same
time*?  For example, between the Great Northern War and early 1900s, the
city currently known as Tartu was called 'Yuryev' in Russian documents (as
Russian Czar ruled over the area as the sovereign) but 'Dorpat' (and a few
alternate spellings) in German documents (as Baltic German nobility ruled
over the area as administrators).

Intuitively, there are a number of subtle rules to decide which one of the
names is appropriate in any particular context.  For example, in Tartu, I'd
call it Dorpat or Tartu in dealing with its administration, infrastructure,
local history or trade Southwards and Westwards, and Yuryev when dealing
with distinctly Russian contexts such as mentioning it as an imperial
fortification, and perhaps in Eastwards trade.  What will happen under the
proposed rules?

-- 
Andres Soolo

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 20:12, Piotr Konieczny <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;piokon@post.pl&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex;">
In other words, I think that in cases where a historical region (town,<br>
etc.) has had different names in the past, those different names should<br>
be used. It doesn&#39;t make sense to apply modern names to historical<br>
entities (battle of Volgograd, anyone?).</blockquote><div><br></div><div>It=
 makes sense in cases where the city&#39;s name has been changed as such, p=
erhaps due to it changing rulers. =C2=A0I think Memel is another example of=
 this.</div>
<div><br></div><div>But what if a single town has been called in different =
ways *at the same time*? =C2=A0For example, between the Great Northern War =
and early 1900s, the city currently known as Tartu was called &#39;Yuryev&#=
39; in Russian documents (as Russian Czar ruled over the area as the sovere=
ign) but &#39;Dorpat&#39; (and a few alternate spellings) in German documen=
ts (as Baltic German nobility ruled over the area as administrators).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Intuitively, there are a number of subtle rules to deci=
de which one of the names is appropriate in any particular context. =C2=A0F=
or example, in Tartu, I&#39;d call it Dorpat or Tartu in dealing with its a=
dministration, infrastructure, local history or trade Southwards and Westwa=
rds, and Yuryev when dealing with distinctly Russian contexts such as menti=
oning it as an imperial fortification, and perhaps in Eastwards trade. =C2=
=A0What will happen under the proposed rules?</div>
<div><br></div></div>-- <br>Andres Soolo<br>

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