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	Content preview:  Martin wrote: > This is a good idea. We each have
	different talents which are wasted > by simple edit warring. The
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	Wikipedia (I can try to set up > a server to host it), where we could
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	peace and without > interference. > > Once an article has been
	sufficiently developed, other people could > then just update random
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	Content preview:  Martin wrote: > This is a good idea. We each have
	different talents which are wasted > by simple edit warring. The biggest
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	to the edits of Offliner and > PasswordUsername, they insert something
	contentious, we revert, they > revert, etc, etc. I think they understand
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	at programming. I think > Andres mentioned having our own private
	Wikipedia (I can try to set up > a server to host it), where we could
	develop the most attacked > articles like [[Alexander Litvinenko]] in
	peace and without > interference. > > Once an article has been
	sufficiently developed, other people could > then just update random
	sections of the real Wikipedia one sentence at > a time from our private
	Wikipedia. The updates would be done randomly > in sections unrelated to
	what the Cartel may be editing, so that it > would look like regular
	copy editing. > > Eventually one or more of us could develop a diff
	merge tool (like one > may find in source control) where you can see
	both the real and > private wikipedia versions and selectively merge
	sentences and > paragraphs at the click of the button. This merging
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	we could > merge it back into our private wikipedia. [...] 
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Martin wrote:
> This is a good idea. We each have different talents which are wasted
> by simple edit warring. The biggest problem for us in the past is that
> in many instances we act reactively to the edits of Offliner and
> PasswordUsername, they insert something contentious, we revert, they
> revert, etc, etc. I think they understand this and purposely insert
> contentious text looking for that reaction and then reporting us.
> 
> Some of us are good researchers, other good at programming. I think
> Andres mentioned having our own private Wikipedia (I can try to set up
> a server to host it), where we could develop the most attacked
> articles like [[Alexander Litvinenko]] in peace and without
> interference.
> 
> Once an article has been sufficiently developed, other people could
> then just update random sections of the real Wikipedia one sentence at
> a time from our private Wikipedia. The updates would be done randomly
> in sections unrelated to what the Cartel may be editing, so that it
> would look like regular copy editing.
> 
> Eventually one or more of us could develop a diff merge tool (like one
> may find in source control) where you can see both the real and
> private wikipedia versions and selectively merge sentences and
> paragraphs at the click of the button. This merging could go both
> ways, so if some makes a good edit on the real wikipedia we could
> merge it back into our private wikipedia.

That seems like a lot of work. Why not rely on replacing Wikipedia 
content with ours? All one has to do is to ensure that all useful 
content from Wikipedia is added to our latest version before merging.


-- 
Piotr Konieczny

"The problem about Wikipedia is, that it just works in reality, not in 
theory."

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