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### Viewing cable 07BEIJING6168, AUSTR STRATFORD'S MEETING WITH MOF A/S ZHU

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    P 200257Z SEP 07
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    TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 2045
    INFO RUCPDOC/USDOC WASHDC
    RUEATRS/DEPT OF TREASURY WASHINGTON DC
    RUCPDOC/DEPT OF COMMERCE WASHDC
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    RUEHOO/CHINA POSTS COLLECTIVE

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    UNCLAS SECTION 01 OF 03 BEIJING 006168

    SIPDIS

    SENSITIVE
    SIPDIS

    E.O. 12958: n/a
    TAGS: ECON ETRD EINV CH
    SUBJECT:  AUSTR STRATFORD'S MEETING WITH MOF A/S ZHU
    GUANGYAO

    Summary
    -------

    ¶1. (SBU) In a wide-ranging discussion September 13
    with Ministry of Finance Assistant Minister Zhu
    Guangyao, Assistant USTR for China Tim Stratford
    outlined U.S. expectations for the upcoming Joint
    Committee on Trade and Commerce (JCCT) and discussed
    the status of various follow-up items from the
    Strategic Economic Dialogue (SED) meetings in May.  He
    said that USTR was eager together with other relevant
    USG departments to continue cooperation begun at
    earlier SED meetings in the areas of investment,
    illegal logging, transparency, and enterprise
    annuities.  Zhu emphasized the importance of the SED
    in managing trade and economic issues as well as
    discussing long-term strategic issues.  He asserted
    that China had met its commitment on enterprise
    annuities made in May at SED II and hoped for further
    progress on a number of issues raised by Chinese
    officials, including bank licensing, tourism, and a
    SED hotline.  AUSTR Stratford said he hoped there
    would be continued progress on streamlining the
    approval process for financial institutions wishing to
    enter the enterprise annuity market.

    JCCT
    ----

    ¶2. (SBU) Looking ahead to mid-December, AUSTR
    Stratford said it would be an important and productive
    week for U.S.-China economic relations.  The third
    meeting of the Strategic Economic Dialogue (SED) would
    follow the 18th meeting of the Joint Committee on
    Commerce and Trade (JCCT) and a seminar on innovation
    (note: the innovation seminar is a SED II outcome).
    Regarding the JCCT, Stratford informed Zhu that USTR
    and Commerce had recently presented two lists to
    MOFCOM: 1) a menu of potential agenda items; and 2)
    suggested areas of cooperation.  He planned to meet
    with MOFCOM Director General He Ning during the week
    of September 17 to further discuss the JCCT agenda.
    He said the U.S. negotiators were optimistic about a
    productive round of talks, but noted that the
    discussions would not always be easy.

    ¶3. (SBU) Zhu noted that as two important global
    economies, it is difficult to avoid problems and
    frictions.  Our job, he asserted, was to solve these
    problems.  In this context, the Strategic Economic
    Dialogue offered a strategic framework to discuss
    issues, find solutions, and reduce tensions.  Working
    together in a cooperative manner and with a "frank and
    open" spirit would contribute to improving relations.

    Investment
    ----------

    ¶4. (SBU) On investment, USTR and the State Department
    were leading productive discussions on a bilateral
    investment treaty and had further bilateral meetings
    scheduled between now and SED III.  Deputy USTR Bhatia
    was also planning to discuss these issues with MOFCOM
    during an early October visit to Beijing.  In
    addition, the Treasury Department was conducting a
    broader discussion on investment issues.

    Illegal Logging
    ---------------

    ¶5. (SBU) On the issue of illegal logging, Stratford
    informed Zhu that AUSTR Mark Linscott held useful
    discussions with the State Forestry Administration on
    September 10 in Beijing.  Linscott proposed, and the
    Chinese side accepted, an outline of next steps
    leading up to the December SED meeting.  The U.S.
    would soon present draft text on a bilateral
    cooperation agreement followed by a digital
    videoconference to discuss the language in the text
    and a visit led by State Department OES Assistant
    Secretary Claudia McMurray and AUSTR Linscott in late

    SIPDIS
    October.  Stratford said he was pleased that MOFCOM
    and Chinese Customs officials were represented at the
    SFA meeting and stressed that interagency cooperation
    would be essential for future progress.  Zhu replied
    that the discussions should not frame the issue as
    solely a trade issue, and that the Chinese side hoped

    BEIJING 00006168  002 OF 003

    to have a broader discussion to include issues such as
    forestry management.  He said the MOF had helped
    coordinate the recent discussions, reflecting Wu Yi's
    interest in the issue.

    Transparency
    ------------

    ¶6. (SBU) Stratford said transparency was a fitting
    topic for SED discussions because of its strategic
    significance and importance for long-term economic
    growth and sustainability.  Increased transparency
    would greatly benefit the overall relationship as
    greater understanding leads to greater trust.  U.S.
    officials had recently met in Washington to discuss
    ideas for the December SED meeting, and it was agreed
    that transparency was one of the key issues that
    should be emphasized going forward.  As agreed during
    SED II, the two sides were preparing to hold a joint
    seminar on administrative rule-making in late
    October/early November in Beijing followed by a visit
    by Chinese officials to Washington.  In Washington,
    the Office of Management and Budget would share with
    the Chinese delegation ideas on how to use cost-
    benefit analysis when considering new or revised rules
    and regulations.

    ¶7. (SBU) Zhu noted the PRC was preparing to issue
    several new laws next year, including an employment
    promotion law, that would place a great deal of
    pressure and responsibility on government officials
    and agencies.  This would require significant funds in
    order to disseminate information about the new rules.
    Zhu commented that any discussion of transparency
    needed to take into account Chinese law and ChinaQs
    current conditions.  Stratford said China had taken
    many steps to increase transparency in recent years,
    but that it had yet to implement a mandatory public
    comment period for new and revised rules.  This
    limited public confidence in the rule-making process
    because the public would not know what is being
    hidden.  Zhu suggested that the U.S. side continue its
    discussions with the State Council Legal Affairs
    Office (SCLAO) on the distinction between QshouldQ and
    Qmust.Q  Stratford agreed this would be an important
    topic for further discussions.

    Enterprise Annuities
    --------------------

    ¶8. (SBU) Regarding ChinaQs SED II commitment to
    streamline the approval process for enterprise
    annuities, Stratford said this would likely be
    discussed during the upcoming JEC talks.  The U.S.
    viewed this issue as an opportunity to share ideas and
    offer suggestions as China continues to reform its
    pension and retirement system.  Zhu replied that the
    Chinese government intended to strengthen the
    CountryQs social safety net and to develop its
    annuities and capital markets as part of ts economic
    reforms.  He said China could learn a great deal from
    the United States and the international community, but
    that China was a large country with large differences
    between the urban and rural populations.  Zhu said
    there was an ongoing debate within government
    agencies, particularly the Ministry of Labor and
    Social Security (MOLSS), regarding Qfirst lineQ and
    Qsecond lineQ forms of social welfare.

    ¶9. (SBU) Stratford said it would be important for
    China to coordinate policies among its regulatory
    agencies and expressed hope that China would provide
    further details on its SED II promise to streamline
    the process.  Adding that he expected this issue would
    be discussed in more detail during the JEC deputies
    meeting next week, Stratford expressed the hope that
    all financial institutions would have important roles
    to play as China moved forward in reforming its social
    welfare system.  Zhu replied that MOLSS had recently
    concluded three agreements with the Department of
    Labor covering unemployment insurance, labor
    statistics, and pensions (enterprise annuities) thus
    fulfilling ChinaQs SED II commitment on this issue.
    Stratford said he was not aware of these agreements,
    but stressed the importance of continuing efforts to
    streamline the approval process for financial
    institutions offering enterprise annuities prior to

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    SED III.  Zhu insisted that from ChinaQs perspective,
    MOLSS had satisfied the commitment made at SED II and
    that if the United States wanted to raise additional
    points on this topic, it could do so during SED III.
    He noted that MOLSS officials had not participated in
    recent SED III preparatory meetings, and that the U.S.
    would need to engage quickly on this topic if it
    expected MOLSS to be at the table in December.
    Stratford said he was concerned there might be an
    important disconnect between U.S. and Chinese
    expectations regarding this SED II outcome and that he
    would immediately check with other USG agencies to
    confirm.

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    ¶10. (SBU) Zhu informed Stratford that the New York
    Stock Exchange had received authorization to open a
    branch office and that Chinese regulators were waiting
    on additional information from NASDAQ.  FinAtt David
    Loevinger noted that NASDAQ had recently submitted
    additional information and was waiting for regulatory
    approval.

    ¶11. (SBU) DOC China Office Director Cheryl McQueen
    informed Zhu that the September 17-19 Express Delivery
    Symposium would be a good opportunity to further
    dialogue and cooperation in this field.  On the
    subject of tourism, Zhu noted that China was not
    prepared to offer multiple entry visas as Chinese
    tourism officials were concerned with Qlosing control
    of Chinese tourists who went to the United States.

    ¶12. (SBU) Zhu asked for an update on pending
    applications by two Chinese banks to open branches in
    the United States.  Loevinger replied that Federal
    Reserve officials had visited China in July to review
    the applications, but that he was uncertain when a
    decision would be made.  He noted that this topic was
    on the JEC agenda and that U/S McCormick had asked for
    a report from the Fed on the pending cases.

    ¶13. (SBU) Zhu raised the issue of Great WallQs
    frustration with the slow pace of OFACQs review,
    noting the United States had exceeded the usual amount
    of time needed for the review.  Loevinger said OFAC
    was examining the case but had requested additional
    information from Great Wall.  He informed Zhu that
    Treasury U/S for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence
    Stuart Levey was planning to visit Beijing October 10-
    11 and that this would be a good topic for him to
    discuss with Chinese officials.

    ¶14. (SBU) In closing, Zhu expressed appreciation for
    the letter Secretary Paulson, USTR Schwab, and
    Secretary Gutierrez had recently sent to Congress

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    urging a balanced approach to U.S.-China trade issues.
    He said he hoped that an agreement would soon be
    finalized on a SED hotline between Secretary Paulson
    and Wu Yi, modeled on the presidential hotline between
    Presidents Bush and Hu.

    ¶15. (U) AUSTR Stratford cleared this cable.

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