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### Viewing cable 05BEIRUT3670, MGLE01: DEFENSE MINISTER MURR SAYS ARMY UNABLE TO

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05BEIRUT3670 | 2005-11-14 08:51 | 2011-07-21 00:00 | SECRET | Embassy Beirut

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    P 140851Z NOV 05
    FM AMEMBASSY BEIRUT
    TO SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 0645
    INFO ARAB LEAGUE COLLECTIVE PRIORITY
    EU MEMBER STATES COLLECTIVE PRIORITY
    NSC WASHDC PRIORITY
    CDR USCENTCOM MACDILL AFB FL PRIORITY

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    S E C R E T  BEIRUT 003670

    NSC FOR ABRAMS/DORAN/WERNER/SINGH

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/08/2015
    TAGS: KPAL MARR MASS MCAP MOPS PGOV PTER SY LE
    SUBJECT: MGLE01:  DEFENSE MINISTER MURR SAYS ARMY UNABLE TO
    CONFRONT MILITIAS

    Classified By: Christopher W. Murray, Charge d'Affaires.
    Reason:  Section 1.4 (d).

    ¶1.  (S)  In a November 8 meeting with NEA DAS Elizabeth
    Dibble, the Ambassador, the defense attache, and econoff,
    Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister Elias Murr said
    that he is trying to transform the Lebanese military after 15
    years of Syrian direction.  He wanted to change the "Syrian
    mentality" present in training and procedure.  Syria
    continues to support terrorist groups in Lebanon, said Murr,
    including the "well-trained, well-equipped army" of
    Hizballah.  Lebanon cannot enjoy security until the Syrian
    regime changes its mentality, said Murr.  When Dibble
    mentioned the continued existence of militias, Murr asserted
    that the Lebanese military is not ready to take on the
    militias.  Murr estimated that it will take another six to
    eight months of reform and rebuilding until the military
    could be "counted on."  Murr agreed with the idea of
    low-profile U.S. military teams to assess the needs of the
    Lebanese military.  His hand still bandaged from a car bomb
    attack, Murr mentioned that he still needs three more
    operations to repair the damage of the assassination attempt
    on him in July.  Murr also said that he has passed on to
    Hizballah his awareness of a potential threat against him, in
    hopes of warding off Hizballah following Syrian orders to
    kill him.  Murr also claimed to have seen an intercepted
    telephone conversation that suggests Hizballah will adopt a
    dangerously aggressive stance in the period immediately
    following the next report of UNIIIC Chief Detlev Mehlis.  End
    summary.

    THE SYRIAN EFFECT LINGERS
    -------------------------

    ¶2.  (C)  On 11/8, NEA DAS Elizabeth Dibble, the Ambassador,
    the defense attache, and econoff met with Deputy Prime
    Minister and Defense Minister Elias Murr.  Murr began by
    listing the lingering effects of the Syrian occupation.
    Fifteen years of Syrian domination of the military and
    security services has left poor training and an old
    mentality.  New security techniques and a new mentality must
    be learned by the armed forces.  Murr said that the process
    of transitioning from a "Syrian mentality" is about 70
    percent complete.  The military is open to change; no one is
    resisting.  Military personnel want to be trained in the
    United States and in Europe.  Murr estimated that about half
    of Lebanese military equipment was American-made and about
    half Soviet-made, and all is very old.

    ¶3.  (C)  More importantly, Murr continued, Syria continues to
    manage several terrorist groups.  Murr cited Palestinian
    armed groups both in and out of the camps, as well as
    Hizballah with its "well-trained and well-equipped army."
    Lebanon will never enjoy good security and real change
    without change in Syria, Murr said.  "I am not talking about
    regime change," Murr immediately clarified, "I talking about
    a change in mentality."  Once the Syrian regime changes the
    way it thinks, Syrian allies in Lebanon will be cut off from
    support, asserted Murr.

    NOT READY TO TAKE ON MILITIAS
    -----------------------------

    ¶4.  (C)  Dibble pointed out that any progress in Lebanon will
    be difficult as long as private armies, such as Hizballah,
    operate freely.  Murr replied that, while he agreed, the
    Lebanese military is not ready deal with the militias.  It
    doesn't have the necessary equipment, training, or mentality.
     Murr estimated that the military would need six to eight
    months before "we can count on the Lebanese Armed Forces."
    Currently, the military can be expected to show its presence,
    but not to take any action.  (Comment:  Murr appeared to be
    referring to the increased army presence near Palestinian
    militant bases in October.  The army did not enter the bases,
    however, even after a civilian army surveyor was shot and
    killed.  End comment.)

    ¶5.  (C)  The Ambassador asked Murr about a proposed liaison
    between the military and foreign countries who are willing to
    provide assistance.  Murr, claiming that this was his first
    day back to work since the attempt on his life in July, asked
    about the status of this plan.  (Note:  Murr's secretary told
    econoff after the meeting that this was not really Murr's
    first day back.  End note.)  The Ambassador replied that
    Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, in Murr's absence, had agreed
    to a U.S. assessment of the Lebanese military's needs as long
    as it kept a low profile.  The first teams will arrive in
    November.  Murr agreed with this approach and promised to
    raise the issue with the Lebanese commander-in-chief, with
    whom he will meet later that afternoon.

    MORE ON MURR
    ------------

    ¶6.  (C)  Murr said that he was still facing three more
    operations to repair the damage of the assassination attempt.
     He will have another operation on his (still-bandaged) hand,
    and an operation on each of his ears in the December/January
    timeframe.  Murr preferred to greet us with a gesture over
    his heart with his damaged right hand rather than shake
    hands.  He said that he had been training for 15 days to sign
    his name.  Murr's head of security also had visible scars on
    the side of his head.

    Private Aside
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    ¶7.  (S)  Privately, Murr took aside DAS Dibble and the
    Ambassador to discuss what he believes is recent threat
    information against him.  He said that he had Georges Khoury,
    head of the LAF's G-2 (military intelligence) branch visit
    Hizballah security chief Wafiq Safa' to share with Safa's
    Murr's information, which in Murr's view implicates Hizballah
    in a Syrian-inspired plot to murder him.  Murr said that he
    was awaiting an "official response" to Hizballah.  Murr also
    expressed considerable concern that Hizballah will adopt a
    more aggressive stance once Detlev Mehlis issues his 12/15
    report.  At that point, Murr said, Hizballah, under Syrian
    orders, will attempt to provoke Sunni-Shia fighting in
    Lebanon.  Murr claimed to have learned of Hizballah's plans
    through an intercept of a telephone conversation between
    Hizballah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah and As-Safir
    journalist Ibrahim Amin.  In dangerous and aggressive ways,
    Hizballah will show its "true face" after 12/15, Murr
    claimed.  In his view, while this "true face" will be
    dangerous for Lebanon, at least the other Lebanese will
    understand at last what they are facing.

    COMMENT
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    ¶8.  (C)  Murr seems to be another example of a formerly
    "pro-Syria" figure making a post-occupation conversion.  We
    note that little more than a year ago, Murr, as Interior
    Minister, told the Ambassador that Sunni extremists and the
    Palestinian camps could not be controlled without the help of
    the Syrian military and intelligence.  Now he is talking
    about ridding the Lebanese military of the vestiges of the
    Syrian occupation.  Of course, Murr's "conversion" was
    sparked by the 7/12 car bomb attack intended to kill him --
    and which Murr believes to be a Syrian-backed operation.  End
    comment.

    ¶9.  (U)  This message has been cleared by DAS Dibble.

    MURRAY

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