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### Viewing cable 08WELLINGTON264, DASD CLAD/MAJOR GENERAL CONANT'S AUGUST 4-6 VISIT

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    C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 05 WELLINGTON 000264

    SIPDIS

    STATE FOR EAP/ANP; OSD FOR JESSICA POWERS

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 08/05/2018
    TAGS: MARR PREL MOPS NZ
    SUBJECT: DASD CLAD/MAJOR GENERAL CONANT'S AUGUST 4-6 VISIT
    TO NEW ZEALAND

    Classified By: Pol/Econ Counselor Margaret McKean; Reason 1.4 (b) and (
    d)

    ¶1.  (C)  Summary.  During a joint visit by DASD  James Clad
    and PACOM J-5 Major General Conant to New Zealand, both met
    with Minister of Defense Phil Goff, Secretary of Defense John
    McKinnon, and Vice Chief of the Defense Force Jack Steer.
    Senior MOD officials welcomed enhanced bilateral military
    engagement and urged USG to support New Zealand's proposed
    A-4 sale.  DASD Clad presented a letter from Deputy Under
    Secretary of the Navy Billingslea offering increased
    engagement on Maritime Domain Awareness, which was welcomed
    by the GNZ.  An MOD roundtable led by Paul Sinclair, head of
    the GNZ International Defense Relations, reviewed GNZ-USG
    collaboration in the eight areas of bilateral engagement
    agreed to earlier this year; they agreed they would proceed
    cautiously and methodically.  The GNZ expressed renewed
    interest in the Global Peacekeeping Operation Initiative
    (GPOI) but made no commitments.  MOD officials stressed that
    expanded cooperation would be constrained by staffing and
    resource limitations including upcoming replacement costs for
    naval support vessels, the army's vehicle fleet, and the
    aging Hercules and P-3 planes in the New Zealand Air Force.
    DASD Clad summarized USG policy interests in the region and
    suggested that New Zealand might participate in the upcoming
    Kokoda Foundation dialogue in Australia.  He promised U.S.
    military support for assisting the NZDF in realizing the full
    capabilities of its equipment.  Clad underscored USG interest
    in GNZ support within the NSG for the US-India civilian
    nuclear deal and a long-term GNZ contribution in Afghanistan.
     End Summary.

    Meeting with MOD: A4s and PICs
    ------------------------------

    ¶2.  (C)  Discussions at the MOD began with Defense Minister
    Phil Goff and Secretary of Defense John McKinnon on the
    topics of Burma and Afghanistan; Major General Conant
    expressed condolences for the loss of Goff's nephew in
    Afghanistan last year.  Goff then moved onto the new
    amphibious ship HMS Canterbury and its problems, but the MOD
    noted they were all fixable.  He stated the vessel would open
    opportunities for working with the US Coast Guard, in
    addition to current fisheries efforts, while also affording
    other opportunities with this new large vessel and amphibious
    capability, possibly with the Pacific Partnership.  DASD Clad
    then presented a letter from Deputy Under Secretary of the
    Navy Billingslea, offering increased participation in
    Maritime Domain Awareness.  Goff welcomed this and stated the
    interaction with DOD is positive and the streamlined waiver
    process is "first-rate."  He further indicated that MDA is
    good news and fulfillment of Washington decisions, tying this
    to results of the informal DOD talks.  Goff said he was
    looking forward to a visit by the Admiral either to or from
    Antarctica in January, 2009.  In particular, he advised there
    are some huge challenges in the Pacific and they are keen to
    see the US fulfilling its role.  He further stated that the
    relationship between NZ and CENTCOM is close due to their
    role in Afghanistan, but the relationship with PACOM is still
    continuing to develop.

    ¶3.  (C)  The A-4 sale topic was briefly discussed with Goff
    saying it looked promising, but there appeared to be a slight
    concern with the rules and that the NZDF was seeking legal
    advice.  This concern revolves around a requirement to have
    the assets to support the contract, but that the company
    (ATAC) needed the contract in order to acquire the assets.
    DASD Clad stated he would like to liaise with NZ Embassy DCM
    Ian Hill on a weekly basis to which Goff responded with
    appreciation, further expressing appreciation for Deputy
    Secretary of Defense England having spoken to Deputy
    Secretary Negroponte on this topic previously and hoping that
    it could be resolved before NZ's November elections.  He also
    stated that this sale would help the NZDF pay for their new

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    NH-90 and AU-109 helicopters.  NZ Air Force pilots will be
    trained by Germany in these new helicopters, and both can be
    operated off of the Canterbury.

    ¶4.  (C)  Discussions turned to Tonga, with Minister Goff
    stating the reform process was getting underway, but he
    cautioned that although the Prime Minister was part of the
    democracy movement, he may also be linked to some of the 2006
    riots.  Goff advised that a Cabinet paper was coming out on
    the Solomon Islands, extending NZ's troop commitment (about
    platoon size) for another five years.  He also stated that
    the Solomon government was quietly cooperating with RAMSI,
    but the growing food and oil crisis could create popular
    pressure for government change.  The discussion on Timor
    Leste focused on Chinese influence, highlighting that the
    presidential palace, Ministry of Foreign Affairs building,
    and Defense HQ were all built by the Chinese.  Goff stated
    that the Chinese have also provided money for patrol vessels,
    but they had no made no provision for follow-on maintenance
    or training.  Goff then stated that the Asia-Pacific would
    have a heightened Chinese presence over the next several
    years and that it would be a good chance to discuss China
    with ADM Keating when he transits to or from the Antarctic.

    ¶5.  (C) Secretary of Defense John McKinnon expressed pleasure
    with the recent visit of Secretary Rice.  He then discussed
    the NZDF's upcoming participation in "Cooperative Spirit," an
    ABCA (five eyes ground forces organization) exercise to be
    held in Germany in September.  This will be the first time in
    many years that the NZDF is able to participate in a
    substantial ground exercise, and they intend to send
    approximately 170 army personnel.  McKinnon emphasized their
    key challenge is managing resources and often must determine
    whether to participate in such events on a case-by-case
    basis.  He welcomed USG visits, noting Major General Conant's
    presence, and stated that increased PACOM visits to NZ will
    enhance visibility on possible engagement opportunities.  The
    SecDef concluded with comments regarding the upcoming visit
    of Lt. General Mataparea, NZ Chief of Defence (CDF), to the
    US and indicated that the NZDF desired in-depth roundtables
    during his visit.

    New Zealand Defense Force Challenges
    ------------------------------------

    ¶6.  (C)  At an MOD roundtable chaired by Paul Sinclair, MOD
    Policy Planning Director Andrew Wierzbicki explained that New
    Zealand is seven years into its reinvestment program for New
    Zealand's Defense Forces (NZDF).  The GNZ has spent roughly
    4.5 billion NZ dollars over the past decade, which is the
    most significant expenditure since World War II, he added.
    The MOD is working on an updated
    reinvestment/refurbishment/replacement schedule that is
    scheduled to go to Cabinet in the next few weeks.  Much of
    the reinvestment has a U.S. component, said Wierzbecki, who
    cited GNZ purchases of the Javelin anti-tank weapon system,
    the modifications to the Boeing 757 aircraft, the lightly
    armored vehicles, the P-3 Orion upgrade being done in Texas,
    and the Hercules upgrade being done in Canada.  On the naval
    side, the GNZ has contracted with Raytheon to upgrade
    equipment.  Wierzbicki noted that a key issue for the MOD is
    that, despite the ongoing reinvestment program, the GNZ
    expects the operations tempo in Timor Leste, the Solomons,
    and Afghanistan to continue unabated.  Sinclair added that
    some military officers have been on overseas deployments six
    times, making retention and recruitment an issue.

    ¶7.  (C)  Wierzbicki said that the next 10-15 years will see
    the most significant upgrade of the NZDF self-defense and
    war-fighting capability in the form of proposed upgrades to
    the NZDF frigate systems at a projected cost of NZD 800
    million, as well as the replacement of naval support vessels,
    the army's vehicle fleet, the P-3 Orions and the Hercules
    aircraft in the NZ Air Force.  DASD Clad asked whether the

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    opposition National Party, if elected, might look at defense
    procurement differently.  Wierzbicki responded that National
    has indicated that it would commission a white paper but not
    made any firm commitment on priorities.  The Policy chief for
    the MOD added that defense, including decisions on equipment
    replacement, will have to take their place among the
    competing priorities within other social sectors such as
    health, education, and social welfare.  In discussing GNZ
    efforts to get the maximum from the HMS Canterbury, DASD Clad
    urged the GNZ to be creative in seeking USG assistance to
    fully realize Canterbury's capabilities.

    Military Intelligence Sharing Still an Issue
    --------------------------------------------

    ¶8.  (C)  NZDF Colonel Kevin Arledge noted that in the past
    two years, defense intelligence cooperation has grown and
    relevant agencies from both countries are moving forward on
    image sharing.  He commended the linkages between New Zealand
    and CENTCOM vis-a-vis Afghanistan, saying that there is not
    the equivalent relationship with PACOM at the J-2 level.  The
    military-to-military intel relationship remains a work in
    progress, continued Arledge.  New Zealand cooperation with
    DIA is fine but OSD policy issues remain, he added.  Arledge
    said that New Zealand could do more with the United States
    but much depends on IT connectivity.  As an example, he cited
    the 2006 Fiji crisis and the intelligence collection and
    sharing that tracked the coup and its aftermath.  He said
    that it worked through the NSA but was "cumbersome and slow."
     Arledge cautioned that he worries what would happen if a
    security crisis emerged again in the Pacific and current
    limitations are not addressed.  DASD Clad acknowledged that
    connectivity remains an issue, and we have also discussed it
    with Australia.  There may be opportunities to discuss the
    issue further when the NZDF Chief visits Washington in
    September; MG Conant and Colonel Arledge agreed that a
    planned meeting between PACOM, either Admiral Keating or Adm.
    Willard, and the NZDF Chief of Navy in Singapore in February
    will also be a chance to discuss these issues.  Conant also
    suggested that this could be discussed when the NZDF Chief
    visits PACOM in September.  DASD Clad informed the MOD
    officials that the USG had agreed to invite New Zealand to
    participate with Japan, Singapore and Australia in the
    cooperative Maritime Domain Awareness program.

    Eight Areas of Cooperation
    --------------------------

    ¶9.  (C)   Paul Sinclair detailed US-NZ progress in the eight
    areas of mil-to-mil cooperation approved by the USG
    interagency in 2007.  He reiterated New Zealand's commitment
    to proceed cautiously and methodically.  The Proliferation
    Security Initiative (PSI) is an area where both countries are
    working multilaterally in a positive way, said Sinclair, who
    pointed to the upcoming New Zealand-hosted PSI exercise
    (Operation Maru) in September.  He welcomed the robust USG
    participation, noting that Maru has received a good regional
    response as well as from countries outside the southern
    Pacific.  On North Korea and UNSCR 1718, New Zealand has
    offered strong support to the US, noted Sinclair, citing FM
    Peters interest in nonproliferation efforts in the Korean
    peninsula.  Within the ASEAN Regional Forum, the US and NZ
    work closely.  New Zealand, along with Indonesia and Japan,
    serves as co-chair of the maritime security group where New
    Zealand is focused on enhancing its bilateral relationship
    with Indonesia, added Sinclair who offered that the GOI's new
    naval commander is a significant improvement over the former,
    highly nationalistic, commander.  Sinclair said that New
    Zealand supports the Philippines/USG initiative in the ARF.

    ¶10.  (C)  Within PKO, New Zealand remains a participant in
    Afghanistan, and Sinclair noted that the GNZ has signed off
    on continued NZDF support to Afghanistan through to September
    2009, at which point the Cabinet will review the matter.

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    MFAT's Justin Fepuleai added that MFAT CEO Simon Murdoch had
    passed the same message to Secretary Rice during the latter's
    July 26 visit to New Zealand.  Sinclair asked for an update
    on the Global Peacekeeping Operation Initiative (GPOI),
    adding that New Zealand lacks information on GPOI.  DASD Clad
    responded that GPOI enhances professionalism of participating
    militaries; MG Conant urged New Zealand to join, adding that
    Mongolia, Indonesia, and the Philippines have signed on.  He
    explained that the purpose of GPOI is to ensure that
    contributing nations to UN PKOs understand UN standards for
    participating in UN peacekeeping operations and are trained
    to meet them.  Clad pressed New Zealand to look at GPOI
    multilaterally and offered that PNG is interested in joining.
     Air Commodore Peter Stockwell said that New Zealand's
    capacity to attend is an issue.  He downplayed the ability of
    Pacific Island countries to make a strong contribution to
    international PKOs, saying that the PICs see it as a cash
    generating exercise (citing Bangladesh as an example of a
    contributor more interested in the UN salaries than the
    actual work of peacekeeping) as opposed to a capacity
    building one. MG Conant stressed that the program is a UN
    activity but there is USG funding for it.  Within PACOM, GPOI
    is growing, added Conant.

    ¶11.  (C)  For the NATO Global Partnership, Paul Sinclair
    observed that NATO/EUCOM head General Craddock is coming to
    New Zealand soon.  New Zealand, he continued, is pleased with
    the consultative process within NATO, and New Zealand's Chief
    of Defense Force attended the May 12 CDF conference in
    Brussels, which was well done and a good follow-on from the
    NATO Bucharest Summit in April.  Relations with NATO in
    Afghanistan are "working well," said Sinclair, with New
    Zealand looking more at the NATO intelligence network.  NATO
    has concerns about their lack of intelligence connectivity
    with PACOM and other partners, and they are taking any
    opportunity available to explore options and discuss the
    issue.  Sinclair offered that the Singaporean Defense
    Minister would be visiting New Zealand and said the GNZ would
    push the GOS to do more in Afghanistan; Clad welcomed the
    initiative.  DASD Clad said that the Australians had said
    they are more satisfied than before with NATO operations in
    Afghanistan.  Clad proposed the New Zealand be represented at
    the upcoming Kokoda Foundation security meetings in
    Australia.  For Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF), Sinclair
    said that US-NZ cooperation was good during the current
    three-month period of the NZ frigate HMS Te Mana in the Gulf.
     No deployment, however, is scheduled for 2009 at the moment.

    ¶12.  (C)  On the subject of humanitarian relief operations,
    New Zealand is pleased to be able contribute to these
    exercises and welcomes participation in the upcoming
    Operation Mercy exercise in PNG.  MG Conant said that the US
    military is considering further "angel teams," in which
    military medical personnel are air dropped onto various
    Pacific islands; previous teams have had very positive
    experiences with local populations who had not seen a US
    service member since World War II.  Conant asked if New
    Zealand would like to join such teams; Stockwell responded
    that it would depend on availability of personnel.  Clad
    offered to provide the GNZ with a copy of the after action
    report on the USG response to the cyclone in Bangladesh.
    Wellington DATT asked whether the HMS Canterbury would be
    available to play a role in a Pacific Partnership activity.
    Stockwell said that the Canterbury was scheduled to do a
    similar activity in Tokelau but has had too many technical
    problems this year; next year could be a possibility, he
    added, possibly as part of a Quads process.

    Japan, PIC Issues
    ----------------

    ¶13.  (C)  Related to greater Singaporean involvement in
    Afghanistan, Sinclair informed the USG officials that the GNZ

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    has tried over the past nine months to engage the Japanese on
    participation in the New Zealand PRT in Bamiyan.  MG Conant
    downplayed GNZ expectations, noting that the Japanese defense
    establishment has gone through tough times.  Sinclair
    observed that the GOJ is sending some planes to participate
    in Operation Maru (September 15-19), but GNZ efforts to build
    a defense relationship with Japan have been less than
    successful; NZ feels that Japanese forces lack self
    confidence in overseas deployments.  DASD Clad urged the GNZ
    to continue to engage with the Japanese.

    ¶14.  (C)  On East Timor, Sinclair noted that New Zealand is
    trying to get involved in the reform of the security sector
    since there will be no prospect of an international
    withdrawal of forces until the Timorese can manage their own
    security forces.  New Zealand and Australia do not want to be
    security guarantors indefinitely, he underscored, but
    cautioned that a return to insecurity is "one shot away."
    Although the GNZ welcomes the current stability, Sinclair
    noted that New Zealand knows well that the underlying
    problems remain.  UNPOL, continued Sinclair, is completely
    ineffective with no real mentoring capacity.  DASD Clad
    responded that the Australians recognize that they may be
    there indefinitely; within the USG, Timor is viewed as a
    largely an issue for Australia and New Zealand.  MG Conant
    noted that PACOM's Admiral Keating has offered more ship
    visits to East Timor.  Clad added that at Australian behest,
    the Asia Pacific Center for Security Studies (APCSS) has had
    two meetings on a national security strategy for Timor Leste,
    with a third meeting scheduled.  Sinclair complained that
    some of the international training programs are working at
    cross purposes, noting that the Brazilian military police are
    teaching the Timorese civilian police in military police
    tactics, which are not appropriate to civilian policing.

    Atmospherics
    ------------

    ¶15.  (C)  Throughout the discussion, DASD Clad commented on
    how positive the mil-to-mil environment had become and the
    excellent cooperation and dialogue.  He urged continued
    collaboration and engagement within the expanded boundaries
    of military cooperation, and promised to remain focused on
    the A-4 issue.  Both GNZ and USG officials agreed that each
    country's upcoming elections will have no negative impact on
    the extremely cooperative mil-to-mil relationships between
    the US and New Zealand.  End Comment.
    McCORMICK

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