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### Viewing cable 08JERUSALEM371, SETTLER LEADERS AND CONSUL GENERAL AGREE TO

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08JERUSALEM371 | 2008-02-28 16:26 | 2011-05-19 23:30 | CONFIDENTIAL | Consulate Jerusalem

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    "C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 JERUSALEM 000371

    SIPDIS

    SIPDIS

    NEA FOR FRONT OFFICE. NSC FOR ABRAMS/SINGH/PASCUAL

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 02/26/2018
    TAGS: KWBG PBTS PREL PHUM IS
    SUBJECT: SETTLER LEADERS AND CONSUL GENERAL AGREE TO
    DISAGREE

    Classified By: Consul General Jake Walles, per reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)

    ¶1.  (C)  SUMMARY: Settler leaders Dani Dayan (Yesha Council
    Chairman), Pinchas Wallerstein (Yesha Director General),
    Shaul Goldstein (Gush Etzion Regional Council Chairman), and
    Ron Nachman (Ariel Mayor) shared their views with the Consul
    General February 25, agreeing from the outset to disagree.
    The settler leaders said they think the U.S. Ambassador in
    Tel Aviv is their appropriate interlocutor, since they are
    Israeli citizens, but welcomed the engagement with a senior
    USG official and urged the Consul General and the Secretary
    to visit their settlements. END SUMMARY.

    ""Stereotyped and Demonized""
    ---------------------------

    ¶2.  (C)  In a February 25 meeting at the Consulate General,
    Dani Dayan (Yesha Council Chairman), Pinchas Wallerstein
    (Yesha Director General), Shaul Goldstein (Gush Etzion
    Regional Council Chair), and Ron Nachman (Ariel Mayor)
    thanked the Consul General for the unusual meeting, saying
    ""everybody talks about us, but not to us.""  Dayan said ""We
    are one of the most stereotyped and demonized populations in
    the world, but first and foremost, we are 300,000 human
    beings.""  Goldstein noted that he had never been to the
    ConGen before, but has frequently attended protests in the
    park across the street.  They added that, as Israeli
    citizens, they believe their appropriate interlocutor is the
    U.S. Ambassador in Tel Aviv, but all acknowledged the
    long-standing division of labor between Embassy Tel Aviv and
    ConGen Jerusalem.

    No Agreed Upon Solution
    -----------------------

    ¶3.  (C)  The settler leaders rejected the USG ""fixation"" with
    ""establishing a terrorist state"" and said
    ""creating a Palestinian state is erroneous and suicidal"" and
    ""will only lead to violence.""  Yesha Council Chairman Dayan
    said removing settlers from ""Judea and Samaria"" will usher in
    Hamas ""within weeks, months, or years."" The GOI, he argued,
    should retain security control from the Mediterranean to the
    Jordan river. ""From my bedroom I can see the Azrieli Towers
    in Tel Aviv - it's either me in that bedroom or Hamas and PIJ
    terrorists,"" he said.  He dismissed any question about the
    morality of his position, saying that he refused to visit
    South Africa during the apartheid era and that the ""moral
    balance between Jews and Palestinians is in (the Jews') favor
    by far.""  He said repeated Jewish efforts to reach compromise
    before and after the creation of Israel have been met with
    violence, and if Palestinians have no political rights, ""only
    they are to blame.""

    ¶4.  (C) Ariel Mayor Nachman said his preferred vision for the
    Palestinians is Egyptian control of Gaza and Jordanian
    control of parts of the West Bank where there are no
    settlers.  If this arrangement requires moving any
    settlements, reciprocity would require moving Palestinian
    villages he said, although he admitted the Arab world opposes
    this solution.

    The John Wayne of the Settlers
    ------------------------------

    ¶5.  (C)  Nachman urged the Consul General to visit Ariel,
    shouting ""I want to host you and show that we don't have
    horns.""  He compared West Bank settlers to those who settled
    the western U.S. and applauded ""America's real legacy,"" which
    he said is ""John Wayne"".  Nachman said he hates the
    separation barrier (which juts 22 km into the West Bank,
    encompassing his settlement), but he believes it protects him
    from Palestinians in neighboring Salfit.  Nachman said he has
    reached out to the Salfit and Nablus mayors to ""cooperate"" on
    water, solid waste, and sewage service. ""I control the valve
    for Salfit's water and electricity supply and could turn them
    off at any time,"" he said, adding that he has not done so.

    ""Why are we an Obstacle to Peace?""
    ----------------------------------

    ¶6. (C)  Gush Etzion Regional Council Chairman Shaul Goldstein
    said ""even if we leave Judea and Samaria tomorrow, what
    person on earth could say there will be peace?  Why are we an
    obstacle to peace?""  He rejected that Palestinians have any
    economic potential, posing bluntly ""What have Palestinians
    contributed to society in the last 100 years?"" He said ""Give
    them a state and they'll do nothing with it.""  Goldstein said
    he does not see long-term solution, but he said local
    contacts will be helpful in the short-term and will produce

    JERUSALEM 00000371  002 OF 002

    ""the peace of the simple people.""  He asked the USG to help
    ""convince"" neighboring Palestinians to meet with settlers,
    noting that ""We try but Ramallah says no.""  Nachman agreed
    that settlers are not the obstacle to peace, insisting ""We
    want peace more than Meretz and the professional peaceniks.""

    ¶7.  (C)  Pinchas Wallerstein countered USG pressure on the
    GOI to evacuate the outposts, saying ""be honest and consider
    those that will be left behind"" and complaining that three
    years after Gaza ""disengagement,"" evacuees still do not have
    permanent homes.  He said the GOI uses ""American pressure"" on
    outposts as an excuse with settlers and he wants the Consul
    General's ""staff at the table"" when the settlers next meet
    with the GOI.

    Comment
    -------

    ¶8.  (C) The U.S. Consul General in Jerusalem had not met with
    settler leaders for some time, and the settlers - despite
    their grumbling about not receiving July 4 invitations -
    welcomed the opportunity to express their views.  Notably,
    they did not brief the press on the meeting, suggesting that
    they did not see want to burn a new interlocutor, but rather
    want a direct USG channel for their views.  The meeting also
    provided us new insight on  some of the intra-settler
    dynamics, with the somewhat overbearing mayor of Ariel
    insisting on center stage, and causing almost physical
    discomfiture to the calm, more strategic-minded heads of the
    Yesha and Gush Etzion Councils.  Nachman's vision of
    cooperation with his neighbors while he controls Salfit's
    water will obviously not resonate with Palestinians.
    Wallerstein is the long-standing elder, but he spoke little
    and his body language seemed to indicate that he has seen it
    all before.

    WALLES
    "

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