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### Viewing cable 06LIMA2017, PDAS SHAPIRO/AMBASSADOR MEET WITH HUMALA

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06LIMA2017 | 2006-05-23 13:25 | 2011-02-20 12:00 | CONFIDENTIAL | Embassy Lima
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    E.O. 12958: DECL: 05/19/2016
    TAGS: PGOV PINR PHUM PE
    SUBJECT: PDAS SHAPIRO/AMBASSADOR MEET WITH HUMALA

    Classified By: Ambassador Curt Struble for Reasons 1.4 (b,d)

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    E.O. 12958: DECL: 05/19/2016
    TAGS: PGOV PINR PHUM PE
    SUBJECT: PDAS SHAPIRO/AMBASSADOR MEET WITH HUMALA

    Classified By: Ambassador Curt Struble for Reasons 1.4 (b,d)

    ¶1.  (U) Visiting PDAS Charles Shapiro and Ambassador Struble
    met for one hour on May 17 with nationalist Presidential
    candidate Ollanta Humala.  The latter was accompanied for
    part of the meeting by his candidate for First Vice
    President, Gonzalo Garcia.

    ¶2.  (C) Humala, who assumed a low key and friendly manner
    throughout, opened by saying that he wanted to have good
    relations with the United States, which he considered an
    important partner on issues like coca and biodiversity.
    Saying he would speak frankly, Humala voiced concern about
    the revelation last week that his U.S. visa had been revoked
    -- both because it was news to him and because the timing
    appeared aimed at influencing the election.  Ambassador
    Struble reminded the candidate that one of his spokesmen had
    publicized the revocation -- something that the Embassy would
    not have done.  The Ambassador gave Humala a copy of the
    revocation certificate and explained that we had only
    recently become aware Humala did not previously receive the
    notice, but reminded the candidate that the Embassy had
    repeatedly tried to speak with him about his visa since
    learning this January that he might travel to the U.S.   The
    Ambassador explained that the revocation was prudenial based
    upon statements from the time indicating that Ollanta was
    involved with his brother,s uprising in Andahuayas during
    which several policemen were killed.  Simply declaring that
    the old visa was valid again, as Humala had insisted, was not
    possible; U.S. immigration systems show the old visa as void
    and a new one would have to be applied for.  Humala observed
    that he had never been charged in connection with the
    Andahuayas uprising and said that he had only called upon
    Peruvians to employ their constitutional right to rebel.
    While showing no rancor, he said that he did not plan to
    apply for another visa.

    ¶3.  (C) Ambassador Shapiro said that the United States
    intended to work constructively with whoever was elected
    President in Peru.  The key issue for us was not whether
    governments were of the left or the right but rather poverty.
     Peru appeared close to making an economic and development
    breakthrough; the U.S. sought to promote inclusion of the
    poor in economic opportunity.  Humala responded that he
    likewise did not believe in left/right axis, agreeing the
    problem was the poor; he was not part of any bloc, was not
    anti-Chilean and was not anti-American.  Shifting to new
    ground, he said he did believe in the need to revise Peru,s
    anti-narcotics approach.  Peru should cut off diversion of
    precursor chemicals, give priority to interdiction, and
    resume its aerial interdiction program.

    ¶4.  (C) Ambassador Struble said that the principal concern of
    the United States was that Peru's anti-narcotics policy be
    viable, meaning that it result in reduced illegal drug
    production rather than increases, despite great effort and
    expenditure.  The Ambassador noted that the situation Peru
    faced with coca was not static.  Colombia recognized that
    coca fed violence in the country and was committed on
    national security grounds to eradicate all it could.  That
    was driving up prices in Peru and Bolivia, and cultivation
    was increasing.  Ambassador Shapiro observed that experience
    showed voluntary eradication did not work without the
    incentive of a credible forced eradication program.  Humala
    said that he would permit forced eradication if alternative
    development were offered but refused.  He added the
    significant condition that the alternative products had to
    offer farmers a level of income similar to coca.  Humala
    repeated the "zero cocaine, not zero coca" slogan his
    campaign has borrowed from Bolivia,s Morales.  Coca should
    be part of the agricultural agenda, he said, saying he would
    move the issue from the Ministry of Interior/police to the
    Ministry of Agriculture.  (Comment:  Humala's understanding
    of narcotics trafficking in Peru is very shallow.  He was
    clearly unaware that only a small portion of cocaine now
    moves out of Peru by air and that no licit product grown in
    the coca zone commands prices as high as what
    narcotraffickers will pay for coca.  He did not give the
    impression, however, of someone whose policy towards the
    coca/cocaine problem would be altered by exposure to the
    facts.)

    ¶5.  (C) Humala next reiterated his concern that the United
    States was intervening in Peru,s election.  Apart from the
    visa issue, he cited the Ambassador's April meetings with
    Lourdes Flores and her campaign team.  Ambassador Struble
    replied that he had simultaneously requested meetings with
    Flores and Humala after the first round of elections; Flores
    accepted while Humala had not.  Such meetings were customary
    diplomatic practice, Struble said, noting that Humala had
    himself met with a number of foreign Ambassadors.  The
    alleged meeting with Flores' campaign team would likewise
    have been quite normal, the Ambassador observed, but in fact
    that was not what happened * it was a lunch with an old
    Peruvian friend and his colleagues, one of whom was a
    prominent advisor to Flores.  Humala said he wanted all
    foreign countries -- Venezuela, Argentina and the U.S. -- to
    avoid actions that could be deemed interference in Peru,s
    electoral process.  Ambassador Struble replied, "We have our
    first agreement * we want the same thing," holding out his
    hand to shake on it -- a hand Humala accepted.

    ¶6.  (C) Asked for his views on Colombia, Humala said that he
    recognized the legitimacy of President Uribe and did not want
    the Colombian conflict to enter Peru.  He was ready to
    cooperate with the United States on the matter though he
    would always be respectful of Colombian sovereignty.  Humala
    said that he would reinforce the border; he did not want Peru
    to be an R&R zone or logistics base for the FARC.

    ¶7.  (C) Humala asked whether the US Embassy had a financial
    relationship with Human Social Capital (CHS), a consulting
    firm headed up by former Minister of Interior Rospigliosi.
    The Ambassador said that the Embassy valued the analyses
    produced by CHS and was among its clients.  Anticipating the
    reason for Humala,s question (Rospigliosi is also a
    columnist and has been very critical of Humala), the
    Ambassador noted that questions sometimes arise as to whether
    groups that receive funds from the US Embassy are expressing
    our viewpoint.  In fact, our assistance partners receive
    funds from various sources and usually have broader agendas
    than the issue on which we work together.  NGOs that receive
    US funding have at times publicly criticized U.S. policies.
    Humala asked whether he could have a list of NGOs the Embassy
    worked with.  The Ambassador said that the information was
    available on the web.  When Humala reiterated that he would
    like a list, the Ambassador said he would send something
    over.

    ¶8.  (C) Gonzalo Garcia, in the only intervention he made
    during the meeting, said he would like to organize a meeting
    between Humala,s economic team and Embassy counterparts.
    The Ambassador agreed and promised to follow up.

    ¶9.  (C) Concluding the meeting, Humala said that his speech
    struck many as radical, but that was just because he reveals
    how many Peruvians see their situation.  He spoke of the
    concern many Peruvians have that they do not benefit from
    their natural resources, citing the Camisea project, and that
    they have been disadvantaged by corrupt deals, citing
    Yanacocha.  He recalled that the U.S. Congress had recently
    blocked an Arab-owned firm from controlling U.S. ports and
    said that his concerns about Chilean control of Peruvian
    ports was similar -- not directed against Chile, but by a
    concern that a Chilean operator of Peruvian ports would not
    work hard to compete against facilities in Chile.

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    COMMENT:
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    ¶10.  (C) This meeting was positive in that it opened a line
    of communication and defanged the visa issue, which has now
    passed entirely from view.  It served to confirm, however,
    what we have heard from some of the people within Humala,s
    organization who are friendlier towards us -- the candidate
    looks at us through a very paranoid lens.  END COMMENT.
    STRUBLE

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