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### Viewing cable 06THEHAGUE685, CODEL WEXLER DISCUSSES IRAN, MEPP, INDONESIA,

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    UNCLAS SECTION 01 OF 03 THE HAGUE 000685

    SIPDIS

    SIPDIS

    SENSITIVE

    E.O. 12958: N/A
    TAGS: PREL PGOV OREP MARR NL
    SUBJECT: CODEL WEXLER DISCUSSES IRAN, MEPP, INDONESIA,
    AFGHANISTAN, AND IRAQ WITH FOREIGN MINISTER

    THE HAGUE 00000685 001.3 OF 003

    ¶1. (SBU) Summary. Representative Robert Wexler (D-FL)
    visited The Netherlands March 22-23 and discussed Iran,
    Palestinian and Israeli elections, Indonesia, and Iraq with
    Dutch Foreign Minister Bot. Wexler also publicly debated
    H.J. Ormel, Parliamentary foreign policy leader for the
    governing Christian Democratic Alliance (CDA) party, of
    which Bot is a member. Wexler met separately with other MPs
    on the Foreign Affairs Committee, as well as with city
    council members in Amsterdam to discuss Muslim integration.
    Codel Wexler did not have a chance to clear this cable prior
    to departing. End Summary.

    Dutch Concerned, Hopeful About Iran
    -----------------------------------

    ¶2. (SBU) During a wide-ranging conversation with Congressman
    Wexler, Foreign Minister Bot stated that the Dutch wish to
    see the UN dialogue with Iran continue, and said that
    isolating Iran would only empower the Mullahs. Bot
    indicated that, if the UN dialogue fails, the Dutch would
    support the imposition of sanctions, but expressed doubts
    that Russia and China would go along with this in the UN
    Security Council. Bot stated that it might not be necessary
    to isolate Iran because Iran in general wishes to maintain a
    form of international respectability and nearly half of
    Iran's population is under 21 years of age and has very
    different aspirations from the current government. He
    suggested that new ways to keep pressure on Iran may have to
    be found and the EU and US would need to be tough with Iran
    if they fail in the UN Security Council. Congressman Wexler
    largely agreed with Bot, saying that through no fault of
    either side the US and EU were working in complete concert
    on dealing with Iran's nuclear ambitions.

    ¶3. (SBU) In his remarks during a discussion on US and EU
    policies towards Iran and Hamas at the Center for
    Information and Documentation on Israel (CIDI) on March 22,
    MP H.J. Ormel, foreign policy spokesperson for the governing
    Christian Democratic Alliance (CDA) party, echoed Bot's
    comments about Iran. Ormel said that Iran is a nice
    country, with educated people, but run by crazy
    ayatollahs. He suggested that the West should find a way
    to directly engage the Iranian people because if it isolated
    Iran, its people would rally around those ayatollahs. Ormel
    also stated that a pre-emptive strike would be a bad idea,
    but that if Iran does obtain nuclear weapons, the West must
    consider taking military action in response. Wexler again
    agreed with his Dutch counterpart, saying that he also would
    not rule out military action.

    Hamas and Israel
    ----------------

    ¶4. (SBU) On Hamas's victory in the Palestinian elections,
    Bot stated that the Dutch had no direct dealings with Hamas
    or their representatives. Bot added that Hamas needed to
    take certain steps (recognition of Israel, renunciation of
    terrorism, and acceptance of the Palestinians' existing
    obligations) before the Dutch would even consider dealing
    with them in the future, and that there was no rush within
    the EU to engage with Hamas. That did not mean that Hamas
    might not eventually be dealt with, Bot said, adding that
    the PLO 20 years ago was worse than Hamas is right now.
    Bot raised concern over how to deal with Hamas
    representatives at international organizations, and
    advocated for developing a unified approach. Bot and Wexler
    agreed that the most pressing challenge was to figure out
    how to continue assisting the Palestinian people without
    providing any money to Hamas. Bot expressed concern that if
    aid budgeted to build water and power plants were suddenly
    cut off, the Iranian government might step in to offer
    assistance, further destabilizing the peace process.

    ¶5. (SBU) Bot also indicated skepticism about Israeli PM
    Olmert's proposed unilateral approach to setting Israel's
    borders. Bot felt that it would be difficult to obtain
    broad support for such an agreement, and that as long as the
    Palestinians did not have an interest in complying, it will
    be hard to implement. Statements by Olmert that indicated
    that a unilateral plan would be a first step in the road map
    encouraged Bot, but he still felt that Israel would have a
    hard time implementing a unilateral agreement with its
    neighbors in the long run. Nonetheless, both Bot and Wexler
    THE HAGUE 00000685 002.3 OF 003
    stated that the entire peace process hinged on Olmert
    winning the March 28 parliamentary elections. Wexler went
    on to say that, following the election, Olmert most likely
    would lobby the USG for support of his unilateral road map
    and then work with the US to sell it to other countries.

    ¶6. (SBU) In his remarks at CIDI, Ormel, who successfully
    lobbied the Dutch Parliament to label Hamas a terrorist
    organization, expressed views similar to Bot's on Hamas, but
    raised some different concerns. Ormel stated that Dutch
    public opinion is not very favorable towards Israel, and
    that if there were a humanitarian crisis in Palestine, Dutch
    support for Israel would drop even lower. Ormel further
    stated that Hamas campaigned effectively by trying to
    address issues that worry everyone - schools, hospitals, and
    jobs, while Fatah was a corrupt party that voters came to
    distrust. Wexler rebutted that no differentiation should be
    made between honest and corrupt terrorists. Ormel went on
    to say that Hamas is not a threat to Israel because it
    can't make a fist. The real threat posed by Hamas is a
    broader one: that it is a fundamentalist party.

    Wexler Asks For Dutch Perspective on Indonesia
    --------------------------------------------- -

    ¶7. (SBU) Given the Netherlands' long history with Indonesia,
    Congressman Wexler asked Bot for his advice on how best to
    engage Indonesia. Wexler mentioned to Bot that he nominated
    President Yudhoyono for the Nobel Peace Prize and jokingly
    asked Bot to write a letter supporting his nomination. Bot,
    who was born in Indonesia and visits Indonesia at least once
    a year, suggested that it deserved more attention as the
    largest Muslim country in the world. Characterizing
    Indonesia as stable, pro-west, and democratic, Bot said that
    Indonesia could become a regional counterweight to China,
    India and Pakistan. He said that the country first had some
    internal housekeeping to take care of and that it was very
    important for the army to modernize, but suggested that a
    likeable and trustworthy former general as president
    should help accomplish both of those challenges.

    Bot Asks Wexler About Iraq
    --------------------------

    ¶8. (SBU) Bot asked Wexler about Congress's long-term plans
    regarding Iraq. Wexler replied that the HIRC had not held a
    hearing on Iraq since May 2004, but that there was no real
    Congressional action for the US to get out tomorrow. Bot
    reported that he had been called before Parliament the day
    before about Iraq and was asked whether civil war had
    started there. Bot said that he replied, not yet, although
    it depends on what one calls civil war. Bot said that
    people in the north and south of Iraq were doing much better
    and would likely have little reason to start a civil war.
    He added that the Sunnis would undoubtedly lose to the north
    and south and therefore wouldn't have much reason to start a
    civil war. Mentioning that 1400 Dutch troops had served for
    almost two years in Iraq, Bot concluded that failure in Iraq
    would have terrible consequences.

    Muslim Outreach
    ---------------

    ¶9. (SBU) In Amsterdam, Wexler met with city council member
    Ahmed Aboutaleb, the top vote recipient in Amsterdam's
    recent local elections and one of the Embassy's best
    contacts in our Muslim outreach programs. Aboutaleb told
    Wexler about his work with Amsterdam's mayor to promote open
    dialogue among different religious and ethic communities
    within Amsterdam. He also discussed a course he developed
    to integrate the Middle East peace process into secondary
    education. Aboutaleb said that the course, which includes a
    class trip to Auschwitz, is now being given at all of
    Amsterdam's schools and was developed to promote dialogue
    between young adults who had essentially heard only their
    parents' perspectives on the Middle East before starting the
    class. Aboutaleb went on to express frustration with Prime
    Minister Balkenende over his slow response to the murder of
    filmmaker Theo van Gogh and blamed Balkenende's government
    for setting a negative climate regarding integration.
    Aboutaleb said that the national government needs to
    differentiate between extremist and mainstream Muslim
    parties. Diversity should lead to chances, not tension.
    THE HAGUE 00000685 003.3 OF 003
    Wexler later met with district council member Fatima Elatik,
    who showed Wexler some of the community centers she has
    developed in a largely immigrant sector of Amsterdam to help
    young and old immigrants integrate into Dutch society.
    Arnall

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