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### Viewing cable 07THEHAGUE714, NETHERLANDS/JSF/AFGHANISTAN: POSITIVE ON JSF;

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07THEHAGUE714 | 2007-04-17 13:01 | 2011-01-17 00:12 | CONFIDENTIAL | Embassy The Hague

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    C O N F I D E N T I A L THE HAGUE 000714

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    STATE FOR EUR/UBI, EUR/RPM

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/17/2017
    TAGS: MARR MOPS NATO PINS PREL AF NL
    SUBJECT: NETHERLANDS/JSF/AFGHANISTAN: POSITIVE ON JSF;
    OTHER ISSUES LOOMING

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    E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/17/2017
    TAGS: MARR MOPS NATO PINS PREL AF NL
    SUBJECT: NETHERLANDS/JSF/AFGHANISTAN: POSITIVE ON JSF;
    OTHER ISSUES LOOMING
    Classified By: Ambassador Roland Arnall, reasons 1.4 (b,d)
    ¶1. (C) Summary: In his first meeting with Ambassador Arnall
    since the formation of the new government, State Secretary
    for Defense Cees van der Knaap acknowledged the GONL will
    make a decision on extending in Afghanistan by the end of the
    summer -- but his instincts tell him the Dutch will remain in
    Uruzgan province in a reduced role. He positively described
    relations with the United States, especially regarding
    continued Dutch involvement with the Joint Strike Fighter
    (JSF) program. However, several issues -- noise pollution
    from NATO AWACS aircraft, the C-17 strategic airlift
    initiative, and some defense investment projects like NATO's
    Air Ground Surveillance (AGS) program and the acquisition of
    tactical Tomahawk missiles -- remain troublesome. Van der
    Knaap discussed these issues with Ambassador Arnall on April
    ¶16. End summary.
    Afghanistan: Extension Decision Looming
    ---------------------------------------
    ¶2. (C) Van der Knaap briefly addressed Afghanistan, noting
    that due to reduced helicopter and engineering support, it
    will be very difficult to continue the Dutch deployment in
    Uruzgan province in its current capacity beyond the two-year
    commitment ending in July 2008. Van der Knaap said the
    Cabinet will make a decision on possibly extending by the end
    of the summer, but added that his instincts told him the
    Dutch would stay in a reduced role. Getting to this decision
    will not be easy, he said. Van der Knaap was confident that
    Defense Minister van Middelkoop and Foreign Minister Verhagen
    will fight to extend, but the government coalition member
    Labor Party (PvdA) -- including specifically Finance Minister
    and Labor Party leader Wouter Bos -- does not support
    continuing the Dutch mission in Uruzgan. ""And Bos holds the
    purse strings"" to a possible extension, van der Knaap said.
    AWACS Re-Engining: The Sound and the Fury
    -----------------------------------------
    ¶3. (C) Van der Knaap said he continues to face stiff
    questioning from the Dutch parliament on finding a solution
    to noise caused by NATO Airborne Warning and Control System
    (AWACS) E-3 aircraft from the airbase just across the border
    in Geilenkirchen, Germany. He said on a scale of one to ten,
    with ten being the worst problem currently facing the Dutch
    MOD, AWACS noise pollution rated an eight. Parliamentarians
    constantly demand the GONL refuse AWACS aircraft flight
    permission over the Netherlands, he lamented. To date, he
    has successfully argued that would do more harm to Dutch
    credibility within the alliance than the good it would afford
    Dutch inhabitants nearby Geilenkirchen -- but even that was
    becoming more difficult.
    ¶4. (C) Van der Knaap said Defense Minister van Middelkoop
    will raise AWACS noise pollution with his colleagues at this
    year's defense ministerial. Van der Knaap argued that with
    the possible exception of moving the base -- which would be
    cost prohibitive -- the only noise reduction option the Dutch
    see is replacing current AWACS aircraft engines with a
    quieter, more efficient engine. He noted the possibility of
    replacing AWACS engines with those currently being replaced
    in JSTARS E-8 aircraft or with rebuilt engines coming out of
    JSTARS aircraft, but acknowledged that the Dutch have to
    research whether such a swap is feasible and economical.
    ¶5. (C) As the largest stakeholder in the AWACS program, van
    der Knaap asked if the USG could support the Dutch in their
    bid to ""re-engine"" AWACS aircraft. Ambassador Arnall
    sympathized but argued that the issue is one for NATO and not
    just the United States -- the Dutch should make the economic
    case in favor of re-engining to NATO. He noted no current
    operational requirement to replace AWACS aircraft engines,
    while USG resources were dedicated to other efforts in Iraq
    and Afghanistan. He offered assistance in getting the Dutch
    more information regarding the new JSTAR engines. Van der
    Knaap understood, noting that he had been told the same by
    Under Secretary of Defense Edelman last year. But the issue
    was ""not going away"" for the Dutch, and he intended to raise
    the issue again when he next visits Washington.
    JSF: On Track
    -------------
    ¶6. (C) Van der Knaap was highly optimistic regarding
    continued Dutch participation in the Joint Strike Fighter
    (JSF) program, and said he intends to travel to Washington
    during the second week in July to sign the program's
    Operational Test and Evaluation MOU. He said the MOD soon
    will submit a prior permission request to purchase the first
    of two JSF test aircraft. He pointed to the new government's
    coalition accord as a positive signal on JSF, and stressed
    that purchasing the plane was one of the government's main
    goals. Much depends on the independent, third-party review
    of the program early next year, but he was confident that the
    review would confirm that JSF was the best plane for the best
    price.
    ¶7. (C) Van der Knaap also asked about USG commitment to the
    program citing press reports of program budget cuts.
    Ambassador Arnall assured him the USG was committed and that
    continual budget discussions between the executive and
    legislative branches was the norm. He promised to provide an
    update on the status of U.S. budget discussions concerning
    JSF to van der Knaap's staff.
    C-17 Initiative: Still Not Satisfied
    ------------------------------------
    ¶8. (C) Van der Knaap reiterated the GONL's urgent needs for
    strategic airlift and expressed appreciation for on-going
    negotiations at NATO to reduce the cost associated with the
    C-17 initiative. However, he was frustrated that it was now
    clear the Dutch must pay an up-front finance charge despite
    earlier assurances. He doubted the GONL could afford the 100
    million Euro up-front finance charge as it currently stands,
    while the 30,000 Euro cost per flight hour also was
    prohibitive. Van der Knaap said the Dutch believe there is
    still ""room to maneuver"" to reduce costs, and asked the USG
    to consider every possibility in working group negotiations.
    Ambassador Arnall pointed to other obstacles created by
    France and Germany regarding the initiative, and commended
    the Dutch for their leadership role in the working group
    deliberations. He added that reducing the cost of the
    initiative also was in the interests of the USG as a
    participating nation.
    Defense Budget Cuts: TACTOM Dead; AGS, Too?
    -------------------------------------------
    ¶9. (C) Van der Knaap said the MOD continues to feel the
    effects of defense budget cuts, and is facing some difficult
    decisions regarding defense investment projects like NATO's
    Air Ground Surveillance (AGS) project or acquiring tactical
    Tomahawk (TACTOM) missiles. He described Dutch deliberations
    over AGS as ""purely an internal, Dutch problem"" -- the
    reduced budget has led to new priorities, and AGS has fallen
    victim to political posturing exacerbated by program delays.
    He said there was a 70-80 percent chance the Dutch will pull
    out of AGS; the GONL will make a decision by the end of
    April/early May. He was ""ashamed"" the Dutch may pull out,
    especially as he claimed the Dutch were recently instrumental
    in persuading the French and Germans to remain in the
    program. He feared a Dutch withdrawal may be used as an
    excuse by Paris and Berlin to do likewise.
    ¶10. (C) Turning to TACTOM, van der Knaap described the
    potential purchase as a ""toy"" of former defense Minister
    Kamp. ""The current defense minister does not approve of this
    toy,"" he said. He further explained that with the budget
    cuts and priorities like strategic airlift and JSF, there was
    no money for TACTOM. ""On a scale of one to ten, with ten
    being dead, TACTOM is an absolute ten,"" he quipped.
    Comment
    -------
    ¶11. (C) Van der Knaap is an experienced politician that
    successfully brokered his continued role in the new
    government -- one of only three cabinet members to keep their
    portfolios. It is too early to tell whether van der Knaap
    and new Defense Minister van Middelkoop have a good working
    relationship. But given van der Knaap's comments on TACTOM
    and Kamp -- especially as the TACTOM purchase order was a
    relatively insignificant amount of approximately USD 60
    million -- it appears he is working hard to ensure the
    relationship with his new boss starts out on the right foot.
    ARNALL

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