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### Viewing cable 08CAIRO1637, CODEL KERRY MEETING WITH PRESIDENT MUBARAK

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08CAIRO1637 | 2008-07-31 10:10 | 2011-02-09 21:09 | CONFIDENTIAL | Embassy Cairo

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    VZCZCXRO0166
    PP RUEHROV
    DE RUEHEG #1637/01 2131008
    ZNY CCCCC ZZH
    P 311008Z JUL 08
    FM AMEMBASSY CAIRO
    TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 0100
    INFO RUEHXK/ARAB ISRAELI COLLECTIVE PRIORITY

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    C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 CAIRO 001637

    SIPDIS

    NSC FOR PASCUAL

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/21/2018
    TAGS: PREL PGOV KPAL PHUM AU EG IR IS SU
    SUBJECT: CODEL KERRY MEETING WITH PRESIDENT MUBARAK

    Classified By: Ambassador Margaret Scobey, for reasons
    1.4 (b) and (d).

    ¶1. (C) Summary: On July 2, Senator Kerry and the Ambassador
    discussed regional developments with President Hosni Mubarak,
    including Zimbabwe, Sudan, Iraq, Iran, and Israel-Palestine.
    Mubarak said that Egypt was working to find a solution in
    Sudan, but preferred to do so "quietly."  Mubarak warned
    against a precipitous U.S. withdrawal from Iraq.  While he
    called Iranians "liars" and said they sponsor terrorism, he
    opined that no Arab state would join the U.S. in a formal
    defense alliance against Iran for fear of retaliation.
    Mubarak expressed frustration with the Israeli-Palestinian
    peace process, and was particularly disparaging about the
    lack of Palestinian unity.  End summary.

    -------------------
    AU "Soft" on Mugabe
    -------------------

    ¶2. (C) In a 60-minute meeting with President Mubarak in Sharm
    El-Sheikh, Senator Kerry began by asking for Mubarak's views
    on the discussions at the African Union Summit, which had
    concluded in Sharm El-Sheikh the previous day. Mubarak said
    he had been at the Summit until late in the evening and was
    tired. He reported that some member states had condemned
    Zimbabwean president Robert Mugabe, while others told him to
    form a national unity government and find a role for the
    opposition parties. Mubarak said he couldn't prevent Mugabe
    from attending the conference in Egypt because Zimbabwe is a
    member of the African Union. He said the British were behind
    this "big fuss" and that the pressure from other African
    leaders was "sufficiently soft that Mugabe can do what he
    wants."

    -------------------------------
    Sudan:  Quiet Diplomacy Is Best
    -------------------------------

    ¶3. (C) In response to Senator Kerry's query about the
    situation in Sudan, Mubarak said the issue was not discussed
    publicly at the AU summit. He also said "this issue could
    have been worked out" if it were not debated so publicly
    because "two tribes always work things out." Mubarak noted
    Egypt's attempts to "try and help the (Sudanese) people"
    through the Egyptian hospital in Sudan and the efforts of
    EGIS Director Omar Suleiman to advise on North-South
    negotiations.

    ------------------------------
    Iraq:  Don't Pull Out Too Soon
    ------------------------------

    ¶4. (C) Turning to Iraq, Senator Kerry asked Mubarak if he had
    changed his opinion of Prime Minister Al Maliki after Iraq's
    successful stabilization efforts in Basra and Sadr City.
    Mubarak said he "I am not critical. He came to Cairo.  I gave
    him my phone number but he hasn't called us." He noted that
    Egypt offered to host and train Iraqi forces, but that the
    offer had not been acted upon by the Iraqis.  He said the
    U.S. "cannot withdraw until you strengthen the armed forces
    and police. Until then you have to stay."

    -------------------
    Beware The Iranians
    -------------------

    ¶5. (C) Mubarak's top concern for the stability of Iraq and
    the region is Iran. He believes that "as a result of the
    invasion of Iraq, Iran is spreading everywhere." He urged the
    U.S. to be wary of what Iran says. "They are big, fat liars
    and justify their lies because they believe it is for a
    higher purpose." He said he believes this opinion is shared
    by other leaders in the region. Nonetheless, he opined that
    no Arab state will join the U.S. in a defense relationship
    vis-a-vis Iran out of fear of "sabotage and Iranian
    terrorism." He said Iran's sponsorship of terrorism is
    "well-known but I cannot say it publicly. It would create a
    dangerous situation." Mubarak said that sanctions are the
    best hope for containing Iran, but Arab states won't dare to
    endorse them.

    -----------------------------------
    Not Optimistic on The Peace Process
    -----------------------------------

    ¶6. (C) On the Middle East Peace Process, Mubarak said he sees
    no progress between Syria and Israel and doesn't expect any
    progress between Israel and the PA leadership. He said that
    "Palestinians are quarrelling" and Hamas and other factions
    will reject any agreement made by Abu Mazen. Senator Kerry

    CAIRO 00001637  002 OF 002

    suggested the parties appeared to be close in some areas. In
    response, Mubarak reiterated he doesn't believe the many
    Palestinian factions will reach agreement and, thus, they
    only serve to undermine Abu Mazen's efforts.

    ¶7. (C) This cable was not cleared by CODEL Kerry.
    SCOBEY

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