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### Viewing cable 09PARTO41305, Secretary Clinton's March 31, 2009 conversation

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09PARTO41305 | 2009-04-13 19:07 | 2011-01-27 12:12 | SECRET | US Delegation, Secretary

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    S E C R E T PARTO 041305

    SIPDIS

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 3/31/2019
    TAGS: OVIP PREL NL AF PHUM RU NATO
    SUBJECT: Secretary Clinton's March 31, 2009 conversation
    with Dutch FM Verhagen

    Classified by: Paul Wohlers, Deputy Executive Secretary,...

    202072

    2009-04-13

    09PARTO41305

    US Delegation, Secretary

    SECRET

    S E C R E T PARTO 041305

    SIPDIS

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 3/31/2019
    TAGS: OVIP PREL NL AF PHUM RU NATO
    SUBJECT: Secretary Clinton's March 31, 2009 conversation
    with Dutch FM Verhagen

    Classified by: Paul Wohlers, Deputy Executive Secretary,
    S/ES, Department of State. Reason 1.4(b,d).

    ¶1. (U) March 31, 2009; 9:00 a.m.; The Hague,
    Netherlands.

    ¶2. (U) Participants:

    U.S.
    The Secretary
    Deputy Secretary Lew
    SRAP Holbrooke
    A/S Fried
    Ms. Abedin, Deputy Chief of Staff to the Secretary
    Mr. Sullivan, Deputy Chief of Staff to the Secretary
    Mr. Falls (Embassy Notetaker)

    NETHERLANDS
    FM Verhagen
    Pieter de Gooijer, DG for Political Affairs
    Robert de Groot, Deputy DG for Political Affairs
    Peter Potman, Deputy for Western Hemisphere Affairs
    Bart Rijs, Spokesperson
    Marcel de Vink, Private Secretary (Chief of Staff)

    ¶3. (C) SUMMARY. In a cordial meeting, the Secretary
    and Dutch FM Verhagen reviewed Afghanistan policing and
    regional politics, NATO and Russia, Guantanamo and human
    rights, and the Middle East. Both agreed to help
    celebrate the NY 400 commemorating Henry Hudson's trip
    to the New World and founding of the first Dutch colony.
    END SUMMARY.

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    AFGHANISTAN
    -----------

    ¶4. (C) The two leaders met on the margins of the March
    31 International Conference on Afghanistan, held in The
    Hague. The Secretary and Verhagen exchanged compliments
    on the Dutch-hosted conference and the new U.S. strategy
    toward Afghanistan. The Secretary noted that our
    common goal is to build security for the Afghans. While
    prospects for the Afghan Army are good, the situation
    with the police is more challenging. The Secretary
    encouraged Verhagen to approach his European colleagues
    to win support for funding the Afghan police. Japan's
    offer to pay six months' of police salaries was
    generous, but the needs are significant. It is
    difficult to properly screen the applicants for security
    concerns, to provide an adequate salary, and to build
    the same morale level as within the Afghan army. Europe
    should be able to resolve any policy concerns over civil
    vs. military policing. The United States is willing to
    consider putting the police under the Afghan Army, which
    functions well, if necessary. SRAP Holbrooke added that
    Italy seems to be the stumbling block on the police
    force.

    ¶5. (C) Verhagen responded that policing is a concern,
    and indeed worrisome. The Dutch intend to double
    their personnel contribution for police training and

    provide $40 million for salaries. Regarding Europe's
    contributions, some nations such as France find it
    difficult to use military and civilian police together.
    That is not a problem for the Netherlands, but it is
    difficult for the Dutch MOD to use Gendarmes as
    trainers. EUPOL will likely announce soon that it is
    ready with 400 police trainers.

    ¶6. (C) The Secretary emphasized regional coordination -
    - we don't want to impose our view -- as an essential
    element to the new U.S. strategy. The biggest challenge
    is working with Pakistan. China, India, and Russia are
    engaged. Iran has signaled it may be willing to help on
    border issues due to concerns about narcotics
    trafficking.

    ¶7. (C) The Secretary thanked Verhagen again for the
    conference, noting, You are the best of Allies ...
    Uruzgan is a model. She added that she understood
    Dutch domestic political concerns, and that she hoped
    the Dutch public would continue to support a strong
    deployment in Afghanistan.

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    NATO AND RUSSIA
    ---------------

    ¶8. (C) The Secretary noted that France's participation
    in NATO had been resolved through close consultations
    with Turkey, and that Danish PM Rasmussen might do
    himself a favor and address Turkish concerns about his
    candidacy for NATO Secretary General in a similar
    manner. SRAP Holbrooke wondered whether NATO SYG De
    Hoop Scheffer might be able to extend his tenure. The
    Secretary noted that this was one possibility, if the
    Turkish concerns persist.

    ¶9. (C) Verhagen was confident De Hoop Scheffer would
    stay on as needed. Given the public statement by PM
    Erdogan against Rasmussen, however, it may be difficult
    to resolve Turkish concerns.

    ¶10. (C) The Secretary noted the President will
    encourage the Russians to pull back from Georgia.
    Eastern European nations want to focus on Russia and
    Russia's efforts to pressure them, and they are looking
    for reassurance from us ? understandably, based on their
    history and recent events in Georgia. We should not let
    Russia intimidate Eastern Europe, and we should support
    their aspirations. For example, Ukraine is looking to
    develop its energy capacity. At the same time, the
    United States wants to stand up the NATO-Russia
    Council. Obviously, we should work with them on non-
    proliferation issues. NATO also needs to look to other
    issues, such as cyber security.

    ¶11. (C) Verhagen agreed and stated that as NATO reviews
    its strategic concept, it needs to go beyond Article 5
    and look at regional and global threats. NATO should
    not focus solely on Russia but also on these broader
    issues. For the Dutch, Russia is not the threat it
    was. NATO should look to cyber security, energy

    security, and piracy, for example. Verhagen cautioned
    that the installation of missiles in Poland could be
    misinterpreted as evidence of a lack of faith by Poland
    in Article 5, in favor of a bilateral security
    relationship with the U.S. The Secretary responded that
    President Yeltsin once had told President Clinton that
    he agreed the United States wasn't a threat, but little
    old ladies in St. Petersburg don't agree. In other
    words, mistrust was a political problem above all.

    ---------------------------
    GUANTANAMO AND HUMAN RIGHTS
    ---------------------------

    ¶12. (C) The Secretary thanked FM Verhagen for the Dutch
    effort to frame a response to the legal issues
    surrounding Guantanamo and asked for FM Verhagen's
    further advice. She also thanked Verhagen for the Dutch
    effort to draft new text for the Durban review
    conference.

    ¶13. (S) Verhagen responded that, while the Netherlands
    would be very hesitant to take people [detainees], ...
    we want to assist. He noted that, due to the Schengen
    visa regime, EU members will have to consider jointly
    the implications of accepting detainees. Asked by A/S
    Fried whether the EU may set the bar too high for a
    general EU-U.S. understanding, Verhagen said no. I'm
    difficult, but not frustrating your process.

    ¶14. (C) On a second track with Guantanamo, Verhagen
    said the Netherlands is supporting university
    discussions on the legal issues and has started a
    discussion on having the ICC respond to terrorist
    crimes. In addition, the Netherlands is willing to
    assist with detainee rehabilitation programs in Yemen.

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    MIDDLE EAST
    -----------

    ¶15. (C) The Secretary urged Verhagen to stick with the
    Quartet Principles for Hamas. She understood there was
    pressure to change policy, but now is not the time to
    open the door...now is the time to keep the pressure
    on. On Syria, she noted that it is worthwhile to have
    a more inclusive approach. On Israel, the United
    States will press to end settlements.

    ¶16. (C) Verhagen said he fully agreed that the
    Quartet Principles should apply to the new Palestine
    government. However, I am more and more isolated
    within the EU...I was the only one to raise the issue
    at a recent meeting. The mainstream says we provoked
    Hamas. Verhagen said we need to apply the same human
    rights principles to both Israel and Palestine. Israel
    is getting blamed for violations, but not Palestinians.
    DG De Gooijer noted that the situation within the EU was
    upside down -- it appears the EU might ask the new
    Israeli government to adhere to the Quartet principles.
    CLINTON

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