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### Viewing cable 09THEHAGUE404, NETHERLANDS: WHA PDAS KELLY'S JUNE 25, 2009

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09THEHAGUE404 | 2009-07-07 13:01 | 2011-01-25 17:05 | CONFIDENTIAL | Embassy The Hague

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    C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 THE HAGUE 000404

    SIPDIS

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/06/2019
    TAGS: PREL NL BL NU CU VE
    SUBJECT: NETHERLANDS: WHA PDAS KELLY'S JUNE 25, 2009
    MEETING AT THE DUTCH MFA

    THE HAGUE 00000404  001.2 OF 002
    ...

    215474

    2009-07-07

    09THEHAGUE404

    Embassy The Hague

    CONFIDENTIAL

    C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 THE HAGUE 000404

    SIPDIS

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/06/2019
    TAGS: PREL NL BL NU CU VE
    SUBJECT: NETHERLANDS: WHA PDAS KELLY'S JUNE 25, 2009
    MEETING AT THE DUTCH MFA

    THE HAGUE 00000404 001.2 OF 002

    Classified By: Political Deputy Eric Falls for reasons 1.5 (b,d)

    ¶1. (U) June 25, 2009; 8:45 am; The Hague, Netherlands.

    ¶2. (U) Participants:

    United States
    -------------
    Craig Kelly, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary, WHA
    Eric Falls (Embassy notetaker)

    Netherlands
    -----------
    Laurent Stokvis, MFA Director for Western Hemisphere Affairs
    Peter Potman, Chief, North American Affairs
    Walter Oostelbos, Chief, South American Affairs
    Jan Jaap Groenemeijer, Senior Policy Advisor

    ¶3. (U) Summary: In a cordial, 45 minute meeting, WHA
    Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary Kelly and the Dutch MFA
    Director Stokvis discussed Cuba, Nicaragua, Bolivia,
    Venezuela, and other issues. The Dutch emphasized their
    support for recent American efforts to expand dialogue with
    Latin America.

    Cuba
    ----

    ¶4. (C) PDAS Kelly noted the President,s message that there
    exists a moment of opportunity for improving relations in the
    Western hemisphere. The President has announced several
    steps related to Cuba, and Cuba and the United States will
    resume migration talks on July 14 in New York, the first such
    talks in five years.

    ¶5. (C) Stokvis praised U.S. policy developments, noting it
    was very important for the U.S. position in the hemisphere.
    He added that the Helms-Burton Act creates a horrible
    situation for companies facing EU action if they don't
    participate in Cuba trade, and U.S. penalties if they do.

    ¶6. (C) Stokvis emphasized the EU,s strong support for
    dialogue. In accordance with EU policy, the Dutch are trying
    to have a dialogue, but Cuba wants a guarantee that there
    will be no meetings between GONL officials and Cuban NGOs.
    Again in accordance with EU policy, the Netherlands cannot
    accept this precondition. Therefore, the bilateral dialogue
    is blocked. Cuba is treated as a political issue -- human
    rights is the primary thing for us -- as the Dutch do not
    hold substantial economic interests in Cuba. Northern Europe
    takes the same position as the Netherlands, but the Swedes
    will have a difficult time managing diverging EU opinions
    when they take on the EU presidency in July. In Cuba, policy
    is unlikely to change while Fidel remains in power, and there
    are unlikely to be any results on political prisoners.

    Nicaragua
    ---------

    ¶7. (C) Kelly stated the Millennium Challenge Corporation
    (MCC) follows established governance indicators, and the MCC
    cut support to Nicaragua due to the problems with the
    municipal elections. President Ortega is following President
    Chavez,s playbook of blaming the United States for various
    internal problems. As a result, U.S. embassies in a few
    countries are trying to engage with all sectors despite host
    government pressure to self-censor and avoid a whole range
    of normal activities.

    ¶8. (C) Stokvis said that while the Netherlands has been a
    long-time donor in Nicaragua, the Dutch cut budget support to
    the GON after the recent voting fraud and FM Santos,s
    refusal to offer guarantees to support democratic reform.
    The Dutch froze 6 million euros in budget support in 2008,
    and 12 million euros in 2009. The Dutch are concerned that
    while they have worked to move the EU to cut budget support,
    international financial institutions continue to assist the
    GON. However, Dutch Minister for Development Cooperation
    Koenders does not intend to raise this issue publicly, but
    will instead push the issue quietly in order to maintain
    influence in Nicaragua.

    Bolivia
    -------

    ¶9. (C) Stokvis said that the Dutch give 42 million euros
    Q9. (C) Stokvis said that the Dutch give 42 million euros
    annually toward Bolivian development, with total, lifetime
    contributions near 1 billion euros. However, while they have
    good relations with Bolivia, it does not mean that they are
    able to influence President Morales. Regarding U.S.

    THE HAGUE 00000404 002.2 OF 002

    relations, the Dutch support recent U.S. overtures to Bolivia
    as the (best) way forward. The GOB MFA Director General
    told the Dutch he was not happy being at loggerheads with the
    Americans, but the Dutch believe nonetheless that there is
    deep GOB resistance to closer bilateral relations.
    Regarding counterdrug efforts, the Dutch believe DEA can be
    heavy-handed, but the EU cannot and does not want to replace
    U.S. programs. Stokvis urged the return of a U.S. ambassador
    to Bolivia, though the United States should move slowly and
    carefully.

    ¶10. (C) Kelly responded that the United States would welcome
    Brazil-EU-U.S. cooperation on this issue. Brazil is keenly
    interested in Bolivia to ensure gas supplies for Sao Paolo
    and limit drug trafficking. There will be a private USG-GOB
    dialogue on June 29-30. (Note: The meeting was subsequently
    pushed back. End note.) It is positive that President
    Morales appears uneasy about growing drug trafficking in
    Bolivia and does not appear to want to lead a narco-state.
    More troubling is the fact that Mexican cartels may be moving
    south. (Note: Oostelbos agreed, noting that he had heard
    from Peruvian officials that they are concerned about the
    presence of Mexican cartels. End note.) Kelly encouraged EU
    messages of concern about the drug trafficking.

    Venezuela
    ---------

    ¶11. (C) Stokvis began stating, we look carefully at
    Venezuela because it is a neighboring country to the
    Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, which are part of the Kingdom
    of the Netherlands. Venezuela sees the Netherlands Antilles
    as an unsinkable U.S. aircraft carrier. The Dutch
    regularly explain to the GOV that U.S. ship visits to Curacao
    are not a threat, but there still exists a certain suspicion
    from time to time. (Note: Stokvis added that the Dutch
    look carefully at U.S. nuclear aircraft carrier clearances,
    but otherwise offer automatic clearance to U.S. ships. End
    Note.) As a general rule, the Dutch want to maintain good
    relations. For example, the Dutch have ongoing contracts to
    upgrade the Curacao oil refinery, which is leased by
    Venezuela,s petroleum company, PVDSA. Good relations are
    also important for tourism -- for example, visitors to
    Willemstad buy Venezuelan goods. There is practical
    cooperation between the GONL and GOV on counternarcotics.
    Nonetheless, it is proving to be exceptionally difficult to
    get into discussions with the GOV. Within Venezuela, the
    economic difficulties are getting worse, particularly with
    ongoing nationalizations. Poverty and medical care are so
    problematic that even the basic care provided by Cuban
    doctors is well received. It is clear Chavez is becoming
    more autocratic and will stay a long time, although human
    rights in Venezuela are not bad. Although the Dutch have
    increasing worries about Venezuela, they continue to seek
    opportunities for dialogue.

    ¶12. (C) Kelly responded that Washington will send Ambassador
    Duddy back to Caracas, and that Washington was also looking
    for opportunities for dialogue. At the same time, we will
    make our principles clear, for example on freedom of
    expression. The opposition party Mayor of Caracas has been
    completely undercut by Chavez, who has restricted the
    mayor,s authority so that he cannot even manage the city,s
    firefighters. The mayor said that the U.S. statements on
    freedom of the press were well received.

    Other Issues
    ------------

    ¶13. (C) Stokvis said the GONL-USG agreements on Forward
    Operating Locations in the Caribbean will be extended,
    QOperating Locations in the Caribbean will be extended,
    although the MFA prefers to leave the renewal process as it
    is because parliament will otherwise ask questions and raise
    tensions with Venezuela.

    ¶14. (C) Stokvis requested that the United States share
    information on the pathways to prosperity initiative, and
    Kelly promised to follow up. Kelly added the United States
    intends to host a fall event on female entrepreneurs in Latin
    America and would like to get the EU involved.

    ¶15. (U) This cable was cleared by PDAS Kelly.
    GALLAGHER

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