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### Viewing cable 05THEHAGUE1556, NETHERLANDS/VENEZUELA/ANTILLES: POTENTIAL DUTCH

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05THEHAGUE1556 | 2005-06-03 13:01 | 2011-01-20 22:10 | CONFIDENTIAL | Embassy The Hague

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    This record is a partial extract of the original cable. The full text of the original cable is not available.

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    C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 THE HAGUE 001556

    SIPDIS

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 06/02/2015
    TAGS: PREL PBTS PINS MARR SNAR NL NA VE
    SUBJECT: NETHERLANDS/VENEZUELA/ANTILLES: POTENTIAL DUTCH
    FALKLANDS?

    Classified By: AMBASSADOR CLIFFORD SOBEL, REASONS 1.5(B) AND (D)

    1.(C) SUMMARY: The Dutch are increasingly worried that
    Venezuelan President Chavez is actively seeking to reduce or
    eliminate Dutch influence in the Antilles, including by force
    if necessary. While some in the GONL argue that greater
    engagement with Chavez' government is necessary to reduce
    misunderstandings, others, including FM Bot, openly state
    that a Dutch/U.S. military presence in the region is a
    necessary deterrent to Venezuelan territorial ambitions.
    Post believes the Dutch would appreciate and benefit from
    high-level consultations on this issue at an early
    opportunity. See guidance request in para 6. END SUMMARY.

    ¶2. (C) On June 1, Ambassador Sobel (accompanied by Embassy
    DEA representative and POLCOUNS) was invited to brief members
    of the Dutch MFA's Western Hemisphere Affairs department on
    his recent trip to the Netherlands Antilles. Following a
    detailed discussion of successful Dutch-U.S.-Antilles
    cooperation in combating illegal narcotics trafficking,
    Marianne Kappeyne van de Coppello (Director of the Western
    Hemisphere Department) raised growing Dutch concerns about
    Venezuelan intentions vis-a-vis the Antilles. Noting that
    Antilles Prime Minister Ys would be visiting the Netherlands
    June 6, she stressed that the Dutch worried that he was
    facing mounting pressure both from Venezuela directly and
    from members of his own government, including former deputy
    PM Cova, who favored a more pro-Venezuelan line. She
    expressed concern that a pro-Venezuelan, anti-Dutch/U.S.
    government could emerge from the January elections.

    ¶3. (C) Kappeyne van de Coppello said that Venezuelan
    influence over certain groups in the Antilles was being
    used to undermine Dutch-Antilles-U.S. cooperation in the
    fight against drugs. She noted that the Dutch MFA had called
    in the Venezuelan Ambassador recently to protest recent
    remarks by Chavez reviving old Venezuelan territorial claims
    to the islands. Although the Venezuelan constitution, she
    noted, still formally considers the islands (including
    Aruba, Curacaou and Bonaire) to be part of Venezuela, until
    recently the Dutch have had no reason to worry about
    Venezuela's intentions -- but that is now changing. Given
    the Netherlands Antilles' dependence on Venezuelan oil, she
    added, Chavez has several means at his disposal for
    exercising leverage..

    ¶4. (C) As a first step, Kappeyne van de Coppello said the
    Dutch government planned to increase contacts with the
    Venezuelan government to reduce possible misunderstandings.
    Simultaneously, however, the Dutch would like to begin a
    dialogue with the U.S. on how to deal with the issue. Karel
    de Vey Mestagh, Kingdom Affairs Advisor for the MFA,
    suggested that a lowering of the U.S. profile in the area --
    i.e., fewer ship visits, etc. -- could help reduce tensions.
    He was immediately contradicted, however, by Lucita
    Moenir-Alam, the Dutch Consul General-designate for Miami
    (and native Antillean who formerly worked for the Netherlands
    Antilles government in Curacao), who argued that the U.S.
    profile provided an essential deterrent. In response to a
    question from the Ambassador, Kappeyne van de Coppello
    stressed that the Dutch response to Venezuelan requests to
    reduce the degree of counternarcotics trafficking cooperation
    with the U.S. had been a crystal clear no.

    5, (C) Later the same day, the issue was raised again in a
    meeting between Ambassador Sobel and Foreign Minister Bot.
    Bot was emphatic that the Dutch took Chavez' sabre rattling
    seriously, and stressed that only the Dutch and U.S. presence
    in the region deterred Venezuela from taking the near islands
    by force: if we left tomorrow, the next day they would be
    part of Venezuela. Even though 92 percent of Antilleans
    wished to remain part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, he
    said, a small group headed by former PM Cova wishes to sever
    this connection. This could lead quickly to the realization
    of Venezuelan claims, he added, as Venezuela would never
    tolerate an independent Antilles. Comparing Chavez to Simon
    Bolivar, Bot argued that he wishes to go down in history as a
    liberator and struggler against colonialism, and,
    unfortunately, Aruba, Curacao, and Bonaire present the
    closest and juiciest opportunity for him to realize this
    vision. Bot disdainfully called Spanish PM Zapatero a fool
    for thinking that Europe should seek a more productive
    relationship with Chavez under these circumstances.

    ¶6. (C) COMMENT AND GUIDANCE REQUEST: Justified or not, the
    Dutch are clearly worried that Venezuela is engaged in a
    serious campaign to reduce or eliminate Dutch influence in
    the Netherlands Antilles. If successful, such an outcome
    would have considerable negative implications for the U.S.,
    particularly with regard to our ability to conduct
    counternarcotics and other missions in the region. At the
    moment, the Dutch are divided on how to deal with Chavez, and
    would appreciate the opportunity to discuss this and other
    regional issues at an appropriate level. Post believes the
    Dutch would be very receptive to an offer to engage in
    consultations on this issue in The Hague, Washington, or the
    Netherlands Antilles at an early opportunity. Post would
    appreciate guidance from WHA and EUR on whether they would
    support such consultations at this time and, if so,
    recommendations on format, timing, and location. END COMMENT
    AND GUIDANCE REQUES

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